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A&H #4 Furrynomous 2019/09/24 14:00:07 No.1649021
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A&H #4 Furrynomous 2019/09/24 14:00:42 No.1649023
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Furrynomous 2019/09/24 18:45:09 No.1649090
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I love the art style but I find it super distracting that they cover up nipples, yet nobody wears pants. Like, does nudity exist or doesn't it?
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Furrynomous 2019/09/24 19:10:30 No.1649100
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Just use it.
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SirNonimous 2019/09/24 19:24:40 No.1649104
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I don't think tripping on 'shrooms will help make tits appear in this comic. But one can hope.

Edited at 2019/09/24 19:27:26
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Furrynomous 2019/09/24 19:33:58 No.1649107
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>>1649023
This is actually good turn of events, making her a not perfect moral compass, but showing more or less everyone has a bit of agenda or plan.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/25 09:14:53 No.1649359
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rick basically said he did it because it keeps him interested in the drawing. can’t blame him for that really. he did make a couple of full-nsfw pieces of both the main characters at least.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/25 09:15:20 No.1649360
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>>1649090

It's no different to webcomics like "Housepets" (also by this comic's artist) and characters like Sabrina from "Sabrina Online" or Comfort Tiger of "Suburban Jungle"...
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Furrynomous 2019/09/25 16:24:11 No.1649513
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While mildly provocative nothing really NSFW is in this comic ever. Should probably be in /cute/
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Furrynomous 2019/09/25 19:23:17 No.1649569
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Congratulations, She has been promoted from beta orbiter to personal bitch.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/25 19:48:56 No.1649574
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>>1649021
This crap is so forced any more
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Furrynomous 2019/09/27 03:08:46 No.1650048
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>>1649360

...But it's been a long running reoccurring joke that Sabrina DOES wear pants, they just have a pattern that fits her fur.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/27 16:30:53 No.1650262
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I really appreciate an artist that has such a robust set of character models. I mean, just LOOK at the consistency!
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A&H #4 Furrynomous 2019/10/21 14:15:42 No.1660375
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 15:05:21 No.1660384
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Shows that the artist is a man. There's absolutely no sympathy for the child, or consideration/understanding about what would have happened if Hilde hadn't helped Adrian: the child would have been taken into custody by social services, and given the case of a poor single parent who is now hospitalized, it could be extremely difficult to get them back. The dialogue revolves around who fucks who, and the author is completely oblivious that they come across as sociopathic. It's like Jay Naylor's writing.

I mean - even if there is this moral dilemma over Hilde helping her just to score - you'd have to be pretty damn cold to do that to a small child. This is not even a question you have to ask because the answer is obvious to anyone with half a heart.

The best remedy at this point would be if she has a real epiphany and realizes how shallow she's been, and then dumps that thylacine for being a heartless bitch.

Edited at 2019/10/21 15:29:02
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 15:23:49 No.1660391
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Yeah, I'm inclined to agree actually, and it goes beyond his mom.

Pretty much every page in this comic I find myself thinking "wtf, just take the kid home and put on a kids movie and give him some pizza or ice cream or something, his mom is in the hospital and he's probably confused and scared. WTF why are you taking him to a restaurant? WTF are you doing??"
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 15:38:28 No.1660401
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So with the thylacine's dialogue... I'm not seeing how she's any different from Mr. Piggy. She's just as objectifying only without the profanity.
So the takeaway from this is that it's okay to objectify people and manipulate them via their kids into letting you bang them like a screen door in a hurricane, but using profanity is where you cross the line!
Or is it a simpler matter and the thylacine is just immediately right because she's a woman AND a lesbian and has enough diversity points to be entitled to a Get-Out-of-Bitch Free card?
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 15:54:54 No.1660405
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Everyone in this comic is being toxic one way or another, even when they're acting like they're being victims or having doubts about their own morality. It's like watching rich people pretend to be working class - except with real social issues. I mean even Adrian is technically cheating her insurance company and staying in the hospital just because, rather than going to get her child. Either SHE is really banking on Hilde to take care of him anyways, which would make her the abusive asshole, or none of the people involved really understand the gravity of the situation.

Or the writer has no idea what sort of topic they're playing with, OR there's a social commentary here that is so deep that nobody's getting it - like saying "What if the martyrs and the underprivileged are the bad guys at the same time? Huh?"

What if the next line from Hilde is, "Oh Ali, what would you do without me.... you'd be with the CPS... oh.. OH... shit!" - and then she'd go beat the shit out of Adrian for being an asshole.

Edit: I just keep confusing which one was Ardian and Hilde, fuck.

Edited at 2019/10/21 16:39:38
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 16:39:44 No.1660420
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I don't understand what they mean, is the story well written or not?
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 16:47:09 No.1660422
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>>1660420
It's on a hair trigger at this point. It's either going to turn into something profound, or it's going to be a total facepalm.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 16:51:06 No.1660423
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>>1660422

And which you vote for, make it the most likely
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 16:57:47 No.1660424
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>>1660423

I vote that for good
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 17:36:52 No.1660467
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>>1660423

It depends whether you want to make it good for the characters, or good for the writing. There's several ways you can go from here, or you can totally bung it up and miss the point entirely as an author because you went off the deep end and can't swim with it.

To frame it up: Adrian has a history of low self-esteem and abusive relationships, and she's liable to feel some sort of entitlement like her victimhood makes the world owe her something. That's just common: people who beat themselves up the most then act shitty because they feel like they deserve a break. That could include the moral license to make use of Hilde.

Hilde is a good girl but she's blinded into this hedonistic and self-centered frame of mind from hanging around with the thylacine bitch and the associated social sphere, so she's having second thoughts but she hasn't realized what's going on quite yet. She's really anxious and conflicted. Everyone involved fundamentally wants to explain the situation to their own best end and feel like the hero of the story, nobody wants to admit they're wrong, yet there's something shitty about the whole deal and Ali is the collateral victim that everyone seems to be ignoring.

As viewers we know perfectly well what should be done, but what the characters understand is an entirely different matter and what makes it interesting is the next two pages where the masks fall off and reveal exactly who thinks what and why. For example, what if Adrian is actually a shitty mom who is only reluctantly taking care of Ali, because she hasn't really come to terms with being a single mom?

That's what I meant with "hair trigger". If the author is really in command with the writing, they could take this just about anywhere, but if they're not then they'll try to resolve everything from the point of view of the readers - and the characters don't drop their masks but instead become cardboard figures and puppets.

Edited at 2019/10/21 17:46:46
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 17:48:31 No.1660471
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>>1660467

Thank you for your answer, with what you said, I think it's on the right track in writing.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 17:57:57 No.1660476
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>>1660471
All the best writers describe the process of writing as if the characters live in their head - and they have no control over what they do.

That's because they are able to sustain the fiction of the character and understand their psychology. Bad writers railroad stories where they want them to go, not how the characters would act, mostly because they are unable to imagine how the characters are so they have to make up a story for them, or they're just self-inserts of various facets of the author. Compare for example that Internship comic over on GC, or whever Naylor writes.

Edited at 2019/10/21 17:59:18
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 18:56:10 No.1660500
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>>1660476

I'm sorry, but I don't know the naylor's work, at least those that aren't erotic and pornographic. And what would be the difference?
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 19:00:41 No.1660501
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>>1660476

And by this would you be referring that this comic is good or bad?
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 19:48:22 No.1660522
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These are the most hollow, hateful characters I've seen since the last time I read a Naylor comic.

>>1660384
There's absolutely no sympathy for the child

Or for anyone else!

Edited at 2019/10/21 19:52:22
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 20:08:07 No.1660529
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In a comic like this, there needs to be at least one decent character who becomes a moral center. Someone like Rick in the movie "Nightcrawler," who can stand back from the story and say, "This is wrong, this is really fucked up." The other characters might ignore him, but the reader will see him as a confirmation that, yes, the cartoonist understands just how vile these people are.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 20:47:56 No.1660560
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>>1660401

Olivia's already shown to be a shallow bitch even in the first chapter (though understandably miffed that her sexy time with Hilde would get interrupted by the deadbeat friend and annoying toddler). So what the thylacine is saying is wrong, but Hilde is still being dense and doesn't realize she actually loves Adrian. She wants to both help Adrian AND have sex with her because of love, but Olivia is making it sound like she is only doing the former as a means to reach the latter. And Hilde is starting to believe her.

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Likes the Colour Purple 2019/10/21 20:48:13 No.1660561
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>>1660529

Rules are meant to be broken.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/21 21:11:04 No.1660571
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>>1660561

It's not a rule, more of a general principle. But it usually works.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/22 02:03:50 No.1660664
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>>1660529
Screw that! Do what Zaush does and make every character either an unlikable cigar puffing hulk-douche, or a frail and timid cuck. That'd how ya make it to the big leagues.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/22 02:11:55 No.1660669
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>>1660664

That does appear to be the furry preference: make everyone a sociopathic bastard!
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Furrynomous 2019/10/22 02:19:18 No.1660671
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I propose a comic idea/title: Muscles and Mental Illness!

Take that readers!
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Furrynomous 2019/10/22 02:48:26 No.1660675
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Authors can't write what they don't understand. They can only emulate it by copying from someone else. That's why autistic/narcissistic writers' characters are all assholes or otherwise one-dimensional - it's just the author himself wearing every character as a mask in turn. With furry it gets worse, because when you copy stuff and emulate someone else's character to fill up your own lack of imagination, there's only other furries to copy from, and they're mostly the same.

>>1660500
Jay Naylor is the Ayn Rand of furry. You figure the rest.

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Furrynomous 2019/10/22 15:12:10 No.1660916
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Well while everyone else is raising pitchforks and torches over this, I'll be the funny one and say.

LADL
ADL
ADL

Ali is just too cute
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Furrynomous 2019/10/22 21:31:16 No.1661090
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Wait so... this is a SFW comic, where they hide breasts etc... but people walk around with no pants on?
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Furrynomous 2019/10/23 04:59:49 No.1661224
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>>1661090
That's how cartoon SFW works. The moment you draw pants on them, you acknowledge they have genitalia. Drawing a featureless crotch makes the point that they don't.

But breasts cannot be removed, so they have to wear shirts.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/23 16:49:44 No.1661516
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Furrynomous 2019/10/24 05:12:40 No.1661799
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Im hoping this story actually turns into Hildegard adhering to Olivias advice, by coming clean to Adrian. Being honest.
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A&H #4 Furrynomous 2019/12/01 11:21:50 No.1678763
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Ooooh she done goofed now!!
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 04:02:03 No.1679002
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>>1678836
the plot thickens, atleast she acknowledges Olivias advice being good. Just need to swallow that teeny bit of pride now also.

I really hope this gets scripted into the following pages of Hildegard coming clean to Adrian and explaining her feelings for her.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 08:51:33 No.1679070
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holy crap an awesome story driven comic so far?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 09:16:22 No.1679077
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Another furry comic where every character is either absolutely pathetic or a full blown sociopath. Can't see this plot going into a healthy direction. Also, that whole sexual harrasment sequence along with the complete disregard of the child was forced as hell, if not slightly disturbing, all just for a unoriginal "haha the dirty pig is a actual pig" joke.
Expected more from this guy, pity he's just as tainted by the low quality ceilling of the fandom.
Nice art though.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 10:47:08 No.1679087
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>>1679077
Why do I feel like your swishing around a half full glass of wine while one hand typing this "review", in a smoking jacket and classical music playing in the background.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 11:42:23 No.1679100
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When do these two chicks fuck, and if not, why is not in /cute/ ??
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 12:15:16 No.1679103
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 14:22:49 No.1679221
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>>1679087
I don't know, if you consider basic critique on writing to be upper class elitism that might just say more about you than it does about me.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 16:08:57 No.1679252
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>>1678836

I hope everything turns out alright for her.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 21:07:01 No.1679348
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>>1679087

Because you have a distorted view of reality?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 22:55:41 No.1679373
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Well the even bigger problem is that the pig guy is presented as an obvious heel, which he is. However, the problem is that the scene is undercut by how genuinely unpleasant Olivia is. While there's no real problem to having her be an unpleasant character, it really knocks the knees out of the... I guess you can call it situational comedy, of the previous one.
Doing the whole "You go gurl, stand up to the pig!" act is only actually appealing if the woman doing it isn't a total fucking prat.
It would be like James Bond lecturing us on abstinence. It's hollow.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/03 11:31:22 No.1679623
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>>1679373
Shut up you virgin
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Furrynomous 2019/12/03 17:30:51 No.1679740
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The whole standing up to the pig thing would be more appealing if the whole scene wouldn't consist of every character being emotionally indifferent to the presence of a young child.
If it wasn't for that part i would genuinely wonder if the kid was ment to be a plot device to show how self-centered and toxic these characters are, because of that part i assume that wasn't ment to be the case.

I guess relatively normal human behavior remains a mystery to the furry.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/03 21:50:10 No.1679790
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>>1679740

I've been waiting for Griffin to drop some hint that he understands just how vile these people are. But does he understand?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/03 22:09:35 No.1679795
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I've always wondered, what would the comic written by the people who comment on all these comics on here read like? But then I realize I'll always have to just wonder because it'll never happen.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/03 22:17:21 No.1679800
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>>1679795

Being perceived as a furry can be a drawback outside the fandom, which is why many commenters have to be anonymous, and why they can't show what they do. But even people who don't create comics can respond to comics, in the same ways that people who don't make films can respond to films. The question is not, "Are these people film makers?" but, "Can they express their opinions about a film with clarity?"

Edited at 2019/12/03 23:07:18
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Furrynomous 2019/12/03 22:39:57 No.1679807
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Meanwhile, those brave enough to draw comics within the fandom are at a disadvantage, because furries don't reward good or even competent effort. They pay attention when someone draws their fetishes, or uses their persona characters in a comic, but they don't seem to praise or even to remember comics once the stories are done. Out of sight, out of mind is the furry motto. So we end up with Naylor comics and with A&H Club.

Edited at 2019/12/03 23:17:54
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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 03:01:37 No.1679870
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>>1679795
It would be shit, because a lot of these commentors don't read normal stories written by good writers. Majority of content read is shit they jack off to.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 03:27:56 No.1679874
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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 14:34:28 No.1680100
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>>1679870
1) You don't need to be a top chef to know when someone's undercooked or burnt your food.
2) As a writer, I'm not going to post my work for you to read on your little career-ending furry porn forum, so fuck off with your "WELL YOU DO BETTER" schtick.
Grow a brain and think before you mouth off.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 15:11:37 No.1680108
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>>1679002
>atleast she acknowledges Olivias advice being good

Olivia's advice was simply feeding the same shallow sociopathic narrative that this situation is only about who fucks who. It's still missing the point entirely and pretending that the problem here is not getting nooky - while there's a child at the table, whose mother is in a hospital pulling off an insurance fraud. Everyone in this story is terrible.

Hildegard seems to be trapped in the duality between being a "doormat" or getting roo pussy, when in reality she would be a terrible person if she didn't help the child regardless of her attraction to Adrian. If she didn't, the child would be taken by social services and two lives would be ruined. This eventuality doesn't seem to cross anyone's mind in this universe.

Also regarding Olivia's advice: Hildegard had to sign up to be the emergency contact. This didn't come out of the blue - she signed up to deal with this very issue in the first place. Ardian could not have called anyone else, because the daycare would not give the child to anyone else.

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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 15:19:20 No.1680114
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>>1680100

"Can you do better?" has always been a sign of defeat. Someone with a real point to make would offer counter arguments: "These characters are more layered than you think, because --"
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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 15:57:05 No.1680121
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>>1680108
Her car was stopped when she got rear ended, and the hospital is watching for symptoms of a concussion. I wouldn't call that insurance fraud.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 16:27:24 No.1680162
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>>1680121
Either way, she needs to stay at the hospital, which means Hilde has to pick up Ali. She could not just skip over the problem like Olivia was suggesting.

The question is whether Hilde should have signed up for the whole deal in the first place - why is she helping her so much. The simple answer is that it doesn't matter - the situation demands the same actions regardless of motivations if you put any priority on the welfare of the child. They could even dislike each other, because you can't just throw Ali under the bus here by ignoring the elephant in the room.

But if you do, then it becomes a question about friendship instead of fucking, because you'd help a friend in trouble either way. If Hilde is a friend, then she may or may not fancy Adrian, but she would help her anyways. Yet if it is about helping in exchange for fucks, for not being a "doormat", then Hilde would be just as sociopathic as Olivia. This problem is simply left hanging here by extending the same dilemma for another page - nothing got resolved.

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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 16:41:44 No.1680174
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>>1679870
Obviously projecting.

Also love how none of you have actually attempted to counter-argue any of the critique written here.
Yes, it's one thing to have your characters be shallow, self-centered doormats / sociopaths as long as it ends up as porn. It's another when the plot wants to be a romantic drama, that would require your characters to have a certain sense of relatability.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 19:14:03 No.1680250
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>>1680174
Don't you think you're being hyperbolic calling them doormats and sociopaths? That's not what I see in this comic. I see totally normal behavior from flawed people who are trying to do the right thing when they don't know exactly what that is. The characters are well-written and multidimensional. They have understandable motivations, and they're internally conflicted. Except Olivia, she's absolutely a sociopath.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/04 19:26:25 No.1680255
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Furrynomous 2019/12/05 00:13:06 No.1680300
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>Don't you think you're being hyperbolic calling them doormats and sociopaths?

No.

"Doormat" is literally used in the comic to describe Hilde's situation as if she shouldn't be doing this at all, and Olivia's disergard for Ali in the whole situation makes her pretty sociopathic. Hilde still has a chance, but none of the people seem to be seeing anything past themselves here.

All characters in this comic emulate social awareness, but they're all doing it from an autistic point of view typical of sociopaths and narcissists. They're not just broken, they're terrible, or the author has no idea how people would behave in that situation. I'm using autistic here as an adjective, not the disorder.

I don't know how to explain it any clearer. Maybe you can't see it either, but none of the issues they're complaining about are really the top issue here. The Titanic is about to hit the iceberg, and they're quibbling about whether to have port or madeira for dessert.

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Furrynomous 2019/12/05 02:05:49 No.1680340
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>>1679077
> Another furry comic where every character is either absolutely pathetic or a full blown sociopath.

Sounds like real life then, the author must be doing something right.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/05 08:59:37 No.1680403
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>>1680340
>Sounds like real life then
May i invite you to take a actual step outside of your house and actually meet real life people?

>>1680300
Thanks, that's exactly what i ment.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/06 08:23:08 No.1680849
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>>1680250
> I see totally normal behavior from flawed people who are trying to do the right thing when they don't know exactly what that is.

I see people who are engaging in so much navel-gazing that they're forgetting where they are and who they're with. Basically, autistic egoism:

>"The New Latin word autismus (English translation autism) was coined by the Swiss psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler in 1910 as he was defining symptoms of schizophrenia. He derived it from the Greek word autós (αὐτός, meaning "self"), and used it to mean morbid self-admiration, referring to "autistic withdrawal of the patient to his fantasies, against which any influence from outside becomes an intolerable disturbance"."
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Furrynomous 2019/12/06 22:55:07 No.1681218
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>>1680849
Alright then, explain it. Really spell it out. Which scenes, which dialogue? Because you sound like a crazy person right now, projecting all kinds of pathologies on characters who seem totally normal and healthy to me. You can leave Olivia out though, I already agree she's kind of a sociopath, and I think the author intends her to be that way.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/06 23:27:16 No.1681234
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Why is Olivia a sociopath though? From the moment we've met her all she seems to want to do is get laid and roo girl and child has pussy blocked her at every turn. I think her attitude is actually justified.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/07 00:58:58 No.1681251
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>>1680300
>All characters in this comic emulate social awareness, but they're all doing it from an autistic point of view typical of sociopaths and narcissists. They're not just broken, they're terrible, or the author has no idea how people would behave in that situation.
>I don't know how to explain it any clearer.
Have you tried being less autistic? And yes, "I'm using autistic here as an adjective, not the disorder."
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Furrynomous 2019/12/07 03:08:27 No.1681274
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>>1680403
Yes, real life is full of people who lie, who cheat, who have hidden agendas. Maybe you live in the Bible belt (and even then !) in the middle of the Amish country, or in a happy little village where everyone kept a wholesome, hearthy, simple, no bullshit way of life but I don't.

You can meet psychopaths every day at work in largeish companies, they are some of your bosses, some of your presidents, they get there by taking every opportunity even if it means throwing someo people "under the bus".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace
Get harrassed by your boss? See your coworker humiliated and pressured to leave by the higher-ups ? Probably those higher ups are not well balanced human being.

I also doubt Hilde is one just because she entertain the idea of sleeping with Roo girl. Clearly she wouldn't go through so much shit if she was, she'd have thrown her out politely after a couple days or would have tried hard to get into her pants.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/07 09:32:51 No.1681432
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>>1681274
Yeah because high comp work environments / positions are absolutely representative of how the vast majority of people think and act.

Once again, take some actual steps outside and meet people.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/07 17:39:31 No.1681633
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>Alright then, explain it. Really spell it out.

a) Everyone's handling the child like you'd behave with someone else's dog. Sure, they talk towards -it- as if to a person for the sake of the story but they don't seem to be considering him a person at all. They're not interacting with him, not giving attention, not caring about him, not considering him except as a nuisance at best. This is so unnatural that it would be painful to watch if you saw a person actually behaving like that.

b) Everyone's so focused on a single narrow track mindset with themselves in the middle. Olivia's all focused on getting pussy, Hilde is completely pre-occupied with her moral standing, and Adrian about the car for what little we've seen of her. Whatever their problem is, it's handled with world-ending levels of dramatic self-pity. This is how you write characters if you want to write a bunch of vain spoiled stereotypical teenage girls.

For point b, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Burkhart

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Furrynomous 2019/12/07 17:59:14 No.1681638
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>vain spoiled stereotypical teenage girls

Which is btw. the closest you get to a sociopath without actually being one. This is because people transition from the simple narcissism of early childhood to the social awareness of adulthood, and in the middle there's a bit where they're aware of their existence as a part of a larger group but still only emotionally aware or concerned about themselves. Teenage drama, bullying, depression, attention seeking etc. happen around this point because other people's emotions don't enter the person's ego-bubble and they don't react to it. Later when people develop more emotional intelligence, they start to feel and reflect other people's feelings in a more socially appropriate way.

If you're in your late 20's early 30's banging your head against the steering wheel because you have a "moral dilemma" about caring for the child of a person you supposedly love, or helping her in general, you're still acting like a teenage girl. Even if there is the ulterior motive of getting on with her, a normal person here would simply feel obligated and -happy- to be able to help the person they care for. Of course there can be the annoyance of ruining your evening, but that's not the end of the world.

If you have to ask why you're doing this, you've kinda revealed your motives to be selfish already and the dilemma is solved. However, the narcissistic person cannot see this because the have never though in a broader social context - they cannot think beyond themselves. The sociopath would see it, but they wouldn't care because they don't find it morally problematic.

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Furrynomous 2020/01/19 16:10:14 No.1702719
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>>1681638
you're reading way too much into this and it shows. Comic really isnt that great to begin with but by god would it be awful if the baby was more accurately portrayed and we were constantly met with panels and entire pages dedicated to Adrian taking care of her child rather than taking the cartoony out of making the child far more manageable and comedic. Not to mention, of course every character is narrow sighted with a one track mind, everything is simplified and we're only seeing extremely specific instances of their lives to guide the narrative. Olivia is focused on getting laid because thats literally all we've seen of her and that Hilde has had flings with her many times before. This was a date and a one night stand as they likely usually do. Hilde has obviously considered her moral standing with how she's handling the situation with her friend she wants to get with and only just now had someone call her out on it to her face forcing her to actually think about it instead of ignoring it and staying a "good friend who wants nothing in return" when she obviously wants love. Adrian is poor, didn't get hurt, is going to get money from insurance, and completely trusts Hilde with her child so of course she's stoked to get a decent chunk of cash which she'll likely use for necessities.

The scenarios and personalities are dialed way up to keep things moving and interesting, it's rick griffin, he's done the same thing for years with housepets. Criticism is one thing but constantly shitting up the thread trying to constantly push the point that literally everyone is a sociopath in a comic about a lesbian wolf and a bisexual kangaroo with a child that isn't really attempting to be realistic is asinine.
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Furrynomous 2020/02/16 09:52:04 No.1714295
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>>1713859
will this be it?
Hilde confessing honestly about her love to Adrian?!?!?!

*hope intensifies*
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>>1713859
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Furrynomous 2020/02/16 15:24:35 No.1714410
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>>1714405
I wish you had shopped "BRAKE" too, but I love this
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Furrynomous 2020/02/17 01:25:13 No.1714649
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>>1714410
Just for you
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Furrynomous 2020/02/18 02:23:48 No.1715055
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>>1714649

How... Did you...?

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Furrynomous 2020/02/18 02:26:23 No.1715057
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Nvm I see the copy pastes
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Furrynomous 2020/02/18 21:31:36 No.1715319
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>>1714649

outstanding
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Furrynomous 2020/02/20 17:27:38 No.1715881
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She's naked around a kid, fairly certain that's terrible babysitting.
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Furrynomous 2020/02/20 17:55:11 No.1715889
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>>1715881
everyone is consistently bottomless in this world. Rick doesn't draw it but they out here with they dick and coochies out. I dont think topless is that much of an issue.
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Furrynomous 2020/02/21 12:53:58 No.1716120
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>>1715889
It's the whole "they're all at least dressed in fur" idea. Not sure what use furred creatures would have for typical clothing anyway tbh.
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Furrynomous 2020/02/21 18:53:51 No.1716253
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>>1716120
Fashion, weather resilience sure

modesty? not necessary. It's the dream.
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A&H #4 Furrynomous 2020/03/16 16:12:34 No.1725216
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A&H #4 Furrynomous 2020/03/16 16:12:36 No.1725217
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>>1725216
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A h club Kfraven 2020/03/16 19:35:43 No.1725273
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Val 2020/03/16 23:07:41 No.1725585
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>>1725273

Feckin finally!
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Furrynomous 2020/03/17 02:01:09 No.1725642
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Cute comic hope it continues
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Kiba the Messenger 2020/03/18 13:27:18 No.1726102
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...but that's NOT Adrian...
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Val 2020/03/18 13:55:28 No.1726109
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>>1726102

Mmmn... close enough though. The artist of this comic seems to hate nipples and vaginas on his character so I'll take the look-alike haha.
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Kiba the Messenger 2020/03/19 00:38:11 No.1726297
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>>1726109
Pffft. Ye of so little faith.
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>>1726297
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>>1726297
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>>1726297
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>>1726297
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Furrynomous 2020/03/20 15:27:01 No.1726827
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>>1726300
tail and mane - I've used that before. Not bad
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Furrynomous 2020/03/30 22:54:40 No.1731280
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>>1726297

any full res?
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Furrynomous 2020/03/31 01:14:57 No.1731322
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Noticed that she took off her seatbelt, guess she was ready to book it and was unsure of where the conversation was going
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Furrynomous 2020/04/02 09:10:16 No.1732243
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And with that great final line. Book 4 ends
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Furrynomous 2020/04/02 11:44:45 No.1732334
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BITCH! X'D love it for the end
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Furrynomous 2020/04/02 15:29:47 No.1732385
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did really noone comment on how she is called ROTHSCHILD?
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Furrynomous 2020/04/02 16:45:08 No.1732394
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>>1732334
Best note to end this on, I love it
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Furrynomous 2020/04/02 19:47:59 No.1732432
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>>1732385

It's a perfectly common name.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/03 02:03:13 No.1732545
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>>1732432
For a jew.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/03 09:55:59 No.1732728
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When do they eat each other's cunts though?
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Furrynomous 2020/04/03 10:10:16 No.1732746
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>>1732432
no it's not. the only commonly known Rothschilds are members of THE Rothschild family. not even wikipedia has any articles on other Rothschilds.

and i'm aslo pretty sure there are at least some other people who are called Hitler, and yet everyone would question why a comic author would intentionally name a character that.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/03 10:17:55 No.1732748
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>>1732746
Griffin is a jewish name, so this might be a clue. Google "griffin jewish surname".
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Furrynomous 2020/04/03 10:46:53 No.1732753
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>>1732748

Wouldn't be the first one of its kind. The author of Jackal Queen, illustrated by Kadath, seems to be Jewish as well (Roy Lisman)
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Furrynomous 2020/04/03 14:17:49 No.1732818
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>>1732748
wasn't he the one who was too religiously christian to draw porn before? or i just assumed christianity and he was too religiously jew?
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Furrynomous 2020/04/03 14:35:05 No.1732826
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>>1732748
Someone's woke xD
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>>1732826

>(((woke)))
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Furrynomous 2020/04/03 20:31:43 No.1732979
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>>1732826
You don't know the half of it.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/04 09:53:10 No.1733186
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>>1732979
Ah, well, that sounded like something that a researcher by the name of MM might say...
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Furrynomous 2020/04/04 10:44:00 No.1733195
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>>1732545
And this was the point where people began turning on the artist, like they do all the other artist. Rick has finally made it.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/04 13:01:31 No.1733305
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>>1733186
I am not him.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/04 22:44:34 No.1733516
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>>1733195
Nah. People were already turning on him for his absolute garbage characters in this comic, and the way they're treated differently depending on which social classes they fit into.
>be Christian
BAD
>be lustful lesbian
Wacky and misunderstood
>be vile thylacine bitch
Voice of reason

Seriously. The man can't write.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/05 10:20:02 No.1733681
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>>1733516
There isn't a creator in this fandom people neckbeards won't eventually turn on. No talent of their own, but the attitude of Anton Ego. It's just more entertaining sitting and watching the how and what way you turn rabid on them. Any artist reading these types of pages, never take these people seriously. In fact, take it as a badge of honor you finally go them obsessed with your work to the point they hate it but can't stop looking at it.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/05 13:34:03 No.1733776
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>>1733681
Plenty of artists that don't receive hate pal and i'm pretty sure this guy isn't infamous at this moment either.
The critique is justified as the writting and characters in this little comic really IS poor and nonsensical. Writting more serious / dramatic character development really doesn't seem like a strenght of this artist and i'm saying that as a person who likes his art and other comics.
If you honestly believe people are just lurking and waiting for the right opportunity to voice crittique on any artist i'd say it shows more about your own lackluster sense of quality rather than anything else. Or you simply reason by fanboy mentality. Or both.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/07 06:09:41 No.1734506
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The question on my mind is what are good examples of quality writing and quality characters. In a furry porn short comic. Who would like to answer that for me?
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Furrynomous 2020/04/07 08:24:48 No.1734521
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>>1733776
Yes, I do, because there isn't a comic posted in this site that someone hasn't shit on in some way. Some people can't get through their day without shitting on someone about something. It's almost the whole reason this place exists. Everyone is holding back the secrets to the perfectly written furry comic, but their withholding it from the world.

What do the talentless do when they can't be creative themselves? They become critics.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/07 13:25:44 No.1734594
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>>1734521
Wel i'm not completely going to dissagree with you on that. But contrary to all the rather simple porn comics people get butthurt over here because it has kinks or fetishes they don't like, this comic does actually rely heavily on it's plot and character development and is ment to have people sympathize with the characters (and doesn't deliver.)

You can argue all you want, but when multiple people are legit confused wether the characters are actually ment to be unlikeable or why they all act like selfish teenage girls / sociopaths when it's clearly not the authors intention, than that's a clear sign of bad writting on his part. I could go into more detail, but multiple people have explained it already.

Still think this guy can do better.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/07 13:38:03 No.1734595
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>>1734506
Gunmouth comics, Pleasure BonBon, shit like School Days also isn't criticized for writing
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Furrynomous 2020/04/07 14:02:07 No.1734600
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ppfft. Are you serious? You must be new.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/07 14:31:59 No.1734615
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>>1734600
Tbh i haven't seen butthurt around Gunmouth either. By my memories people started to get pissy at artists when over half of them seemed to had become cuckold fetishists overnight.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/07 16:48:16 No.1734658
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>>1734594
> when it's clearly not the authors intention

Presumably. If it's melodrama or social critique, then they may as well be shitty people the whole bunch. Melodramas have skimmingly realistic stereotypical characters designed to elicit emotional responses with common tropes like single mothers and orphans. If it's not deliberate melodrama, then it's just unintended social commentary revolving around Rick's attitudes about women.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/21 11:37:58 No.1741724
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>>1732748
Griffin is an Irish surname you absolute fuckwad. You are more inbred than Rick himself, who is from Huntsville, ALABAMA.
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Furrynomous 2020/04/21 12:31:26 No.1741740
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>>1741724
Did you hear that on Family Guy?
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Furrynomous 2020/04/21 17:57:11 No.1741852
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>>1741740
Family Guy has better writing than this comic at this point.
Ali may as well do a cutaway gag where he comically shoots Adrian and declares that victory is his.

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