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e621 purged itself of young human/humanoid content Anonymous 2024/07/13 07:35:02 No.2390110   
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So in an announcement 13 hours ago, e621 announced they'd banned young/young-looking humans or humanoids. The latter is the important part. Fantasy races that clearly aren't human got nuked. They're apparently using their own gauge based on the features and if a character isn't sufficiently anthro or furry enough, it's banned/got nuked. Character's got horns, hooves, tails, wings, etc. but are still humanoid? They're a candidate for deletion.

The change was retroactive and unannounced prior to going live so they didn't give people a chance to archive anything before deletion and there are now tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of images deleted.

The thread about it: https://e621.net/forum_topics/45501

The excuse given was "political climate" but if you read enough of the thread it seems like companies (advertisers?) leaned on Bad Dragon, which are the owners of the site.

Update: It's been discovered that there has been a ton of collateral damage with things that fit neither young nor young human/humanoid, including things that had neither tag. So much so that they've opened a second thread dedicated to people requesting their work get restored if it didn't apply. A quick calculation I did shows 43,650 total images were deleted.
Edited at 2024/07/14 05:31:41
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Furry Anon (president 2028) 2024/07/13 10:09:33 No.2390302
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Once e621 started requiring a login to view nsfw cub things, I never went back. This is just them shooting themselves in the foot more. In a way it turned into a good thing as I found alternative sites. It makes sense from a business perspective, doesn't mean I agree with the decision though.

Since you mentioned BD OP, can you imagine if they also did cub themed items?
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 11:35:32 No.2390392
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They used to. They once had a cub cock. I bought it.

They later rereleased it around Zootopia release as a reference to Nick Wilde.

Edited at 2024/07/13 11:36:33
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 13:27:23 No.2390526
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Given enough time, cub will be banned on their also, just wait.
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 13:34:35 No.2390527
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>>2390302
Any recomendations on sites? e621 was my go-to up until now, its ironic how the site still titles itself as an archive for all sorts of artwork lol.
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 13:35:00 No.2390528
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>>2390392

What dildo is that? Got any pics?
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 15:49:15 No.2390581
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With the recent tag changes, "cub" now got me all kinds of loli and etc. "Young_anthro" was required to get only non-humans.
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 16:27:19 No.2390585
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Already couldn't find anywhere willing to host fursuit loli/shota.
Now I can't even find beastmen fucking kids. So, how long till they slippery slope into all cub, then all feral, then anything that's not vanilla as fuck straight porn while they blame, "politics".
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 18:40:20 No.2390642
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>>2390581

Some people in the thread noted there was leadup to this purge with tag shenanigans indicating this was preplanned and they purposefully kept it quiet so they could spring it with no warning.
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 19:11:17 No.2390648
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All sites eventually turn their backs on controversial content. It’s always about money, which makes it impossible to fix. We need sites funded by donations and decentralized, so these political/business parasites stop being a nuisance.

Art sites all seem to be a mess or have become a mess. Take FurAffinity, for example: they started with the nonsense of banning cub content, then they went after Pokémon and anything that looks small like Pichu or Tails. What’s next? Banning animals that don’t have enough human characteristics?

Inkbunny used to be good, but now it’s a mess. They accepted AI art and didn’t even put it in a separate section like 90% of people wanted. Things are changing, and it’s becoming a boring mess.
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 19:53:14 No.2390651
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>>2390648
Wanting decentralized sites but complain about how inkbunny did exactly that with ai art is incredibly stupid. Also what does politics have to do with this exactly? Don't spill propaganda and a decentralized site is just plain stupid, because if you really want that shit just go into the depths of the dark web and you'll see just how horrible that is
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 22:25:35 No.2390674
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Anything backed up to any torrent?
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Anonymous 2024/07/13 23:50:41 No.2390687
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>>2390648

The sites aren't 'turning their backs' on anything, and a donation-funded site wouldn't be a fix. The problem is that regardless of who's paying the bills, there are still companies that have to process the transactions, and those companies (even if they're just banks) can be leaned on by someone bigger and more powerful. In the early days of marijuana legalization (and probably still now, in some states), legal dispensaries couldn't get proper business accounts, because the banks just refused to deal with them for fear of being dragged into a legal gray area.

That's why FurAffinity banned cub art to begin with -- it was either that, or lose their ability to handle the money they needed to keep the site up. Before that, Inkbunny was building a digital marketplace so artists could sell portfolios (like Gumroad), and was reportedly looking into physical printing services and possibly even building their own payment service for artist commissions. They had to give all that up to keep the cub art, because of the impact it had on their financial processes. (Nobody put a gun to their head for the AI thing, though, that's entirely on them.)

The forces behind the change to e621 are the same forces responsible for FA's cub purge -- powerful companies that want sexual content banned on the internet, effectively blackmailing smaller companies with threats of punishment for 'facilitating' it. And a lot of that leverage comes in the form of legislation vaguely-written enough that it's up to the people enforcing it as to whether it counts as criminal.

There are legal challenges being aimed at the companies responsible for this (the ACLU is building one against Mastercard, IIRC) because it's become so widespread, as well as people pushing back against the legislation that made this blackmail possible in the first place. If you want to do something to free up these websites, your energy (and donations) would be better spent backing the people challenging those larger forces.
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Anonymous 2024/07/14 02:24:02 No.2390709
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Any alts sites?
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Furry Anon (President 2028) 2024/07/14 04:39:21 No.2390725
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>>2390527
I am not certain on the posting rules here, I just lurk besides replies every few years it seems. I don't want to get banned by suggesting you go to xyz link off this site to drive away potential people from using this one. You can always up the quality of u18chan's cub board? I found alternates through lurking random boards and some by search engine.

>>2390392
You should post it if you have it still.

>>2390648
The ones hosted in America(/credit card enabled) anyway, some websites exist to exist as opposed to making money.

>>2390709
Plenty exist, I would like to suggest you post in u18chan though as I rather not have this one die. There are reasons as to why we are quarantined to the basement.

Edited at 2024/07/14 04:43:48
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Anonymous 2024/07/14 11:14:25 No.2390864
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And then falls E621, like FA, like sofurry. They will just shoot themselves a bullet in the foot.

At this point, can't just a rich fur with tech knowledge could make and host a site in Japan, since it seems this country is the last in the world that allow fictional content of this type?

The question is now: was it a political decision because these fucking politics in US made a new bill to ban this, wile these hypocrites enjoy real young (peekabo Epstein list)? Or was it like FA at the time with IMVU, these fucking financial entities that want to ban all human porn? We may never know.
E6Ai will probably purge it too, since it's also same owner. Now what's left? Ex hantei, booru? Fuck this world really.
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Anonymous 2024/07/14 12:40:02 No.2390886
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>>2390864

They're being vague about it, but the details they've mentioned basically boil down to Bad Dragon/Dragonfruit (the owners for several years now) being threatening financially by a third-party partner of some kind if something weren't done. In short: It's about money and external interference.
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RocketSphynx 2024/07/14 13:04:37 No.2390893
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And now they're banning users front right and center.
Yeah, let the site burn.
Artists should just simply stop using E621 because eventually, they'll come after them as well.
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Anonymous 2024/07/14 13:12:44 No.2390895
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>>2390893

I wasn't surprised in the least when I saw that starting. They make a hugely controversial decision and then anyone who dissents gets banned. It's an old song and dance with them, because NMNY is a hugely hypocritical douche with a massive ego who acts like the site's god's gift to the internet furry fandom but treats the users (and often artists alike!) with contempt. The very people who got the site to the prominence it has today.

Edited at 2024/07/14 13:24:16
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SomeoneElse 2024/07/14 14:05:06 No.2390943
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I would not be surprised to learn that there was an actual physical event connected to this in which it left people involved rather shaken and glad to be free and alive afterwards.
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Anonymous 2024/07/14 14:23:51 No.2390965
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>>2390302
What other sites are there that are good alternatives?
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Rocket Sphynx 2024/07/14 14:26:17 No.2390972
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ATFbooru is a good alternative for now.
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Anonymous 2024/07/14 15:49:26 No.2391037
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We need a new site. Something tag-based, accepts stories, old flashes and videos, maybe uses an LLM (based on tags or descriptions, not content) or boolean logic tag searching, blocks AI art by default, allows non-furry and young content, has social functionality, has a favourites and voting system, allows for mass importing, allows for multi-page submissions, has protection against CP, doesn't allow premium content (unless subscribed/bought)...

Probably not gonna happen, but we've been needing something new ever since furaffinity went downhill. What do people think the odds are? Doesn't even have to be furry exclusive as long as it's furry enabling.
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N 2024/07/14 17:19:07 No.2391141
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RIP E621
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Anonymous 2024/07/15 01:33:45 No.2391209
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>>2390864

What happened with FA had nothing to do with IMVU. The financial entities and the various internet safety bills entwined together in this, and always have been. It's all the same thing. Same with PayPal and Patreon and sites like that. It's all going back to the same handful of people deciding their money gives them the right to police the internet.

And I think a lot of people here don't understand that when your internet hosting provider or the company you rely on to handle payment processing so you can pay for things that keep the site up calls you and says "delete X off your site or you don't get to have a site any more (maybe because our company is going to be destroyed for hosting you)," your options are pretty limited.

And no matter what choice you make, some dipshits on a message board are going to take it personally and pretend it was somehow part of your plan all along, because it's easier to be mad at you for things outside your control.
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Anonymous 2024/07/15 02:23:06 No.2391212
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turns out this wasnt about money or not liking the content. aparently it was the business partner/hosting website. basically they gave E621 a ultimatum, remove the young human art in a short amount of time or entire website goes bye bye. its mainly because of how iffy things are law wise nowadays. They did actually said they archived everything removed though and will restore it immediately if the situation changes or if they find a new host that will allow it.
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Anonymous 2024/07/15 03:23:55 No.2391215
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I've been commenting to people for the past few years now that the internet is being absolutely purged of anything even close to underage content, drawn, written, or otherwise.

Hell, almost all of the old written young erotica sites are either gone, purged, or dormant with no new submissions allowed.

God, I miss the old internet before everything was corporatized and monetized!

I keep seeing people say, 'oh, well look on the darkweb' and that's all fine and good, but the whole point of the darkweb is that you need to know how to find something beforehand and how to avoid more sus things than the average person wants to deal with.

Where are these magical darkweb places that have this content while avoiding something that would send me to prison? Point a guy in the right direction at least. Trail of breadcrumbs?
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Anonymous 2024/07/15 05:21:16 No.2391238
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Ya let's scrub the dead internet even more. God i hate advertiser's
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Anonymous 2024/07/15 06:45:26 No.2391263
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>>2391212

It IS about money, and not about the hosting. They said the hosting nor the country matters, this would still be happening regardless. If you read the thread they try to be as vague as possible but outline the basics:

e621 ITSELF is completely fine. No one is bothering them directly. But the site is owned by Dragonfruit, which is the parent company of Bad Dragon. "Business partners", as they describe them, gave THEM an ultimatum if they wanted to continue being business partners.

tl;dr: "We're going to stop being partners and cut off some of your money if you don't remove that content we find offensive on that unrelated site you happen to own."

As for "archiving" content, they're not archiving it so much as it's not being deleted from the site's servers, just deleted from public view. This isn't to reverse the purge at a future date (we've been explicitly told this isn't happening) but rather to allow collateral damage to be reversed since they did this in a blanket panic-style delete and A LOT of stuff not related at all got nailed, and now they're relying on the uploaders and users to point those out.

Edited at 2024/07/15 06:51:29
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Anonymous 2024/07/15 17:41:56 No.2391429
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Annnnd they locked the thread about it. Of course they did.

"More information coming soon." Yeah, like repeating the same stuff again but wording it to sound like it wasn't straight-up a money thing.
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Anonymous 2024/07/15 18:31:39 No.2391433
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>>2391263
actually talked to a few admins there and they specficially said they will restore everything at the drop of a hat if given the opportunity. and it wasnt so much the partners dont like the content. they specifically said its more has to do with legal and political climate. aka all these "anti-porn laws" popping up and about even if they get thrown down and the fact that they run through places in basically the same boat legally as inkbunny when it comes to human content. so its less not liking the content and more "covering their bases for now till we can get a guarantee that things will settle down and stabilize in that front" heck aparently members from dragonfruit is a very active member on inkbunny and such so its not for distaste for the art.
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 00:46:30 No.2391584
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You know what can actually happen now? Anyone can sue their asses into oblivion. This is because the law, the thing they say it's for, only protects them if they don't do heavy moderation. Basically if they don't do what sites like twitter and YouTube do the law no longer protects them. So it can't be because of partners or the law, unless we're talking about some of the most moronic people, all this because apparently they're based in the USA
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 00:47:04 No.2391585
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>>2391433

I never said the site STAFF had an issue with it. Also you realize you're just parroting what they already said at the very beginning, right? "Political climate, etc."

If you actually read the thread and their responses they literally say -> business partners who they (BD/DF) wish to stay partners with <- and -> business partners we need to operate <-

The "political climate" stuff is bullshit handwaving to try and deflect some from the real reason: Money. BD/DF got leaned on because someone had a problem with the content and was given an ultimatum to get rid of it or lose the money.
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 02:26:45 No.2391600
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>>2391585
again. they specifcally said the partners actually are fine with the artwork and its known that these people who said no are also active on inkbunny (yes the partners are furries and like cub stuff). they just dont want to deal with legal bull because, guess what, the servers run through the same places inkbunny does. technically nothing illegal but with all the pushback and such they figure cover their bases like inkbunny does and hope this all blows over.
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 04:37:19 No.2391633
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They are locking down any mention about takedown in their forums. Yup this site is lost and soon there will be a lot more purges until the site will be destroyed. If you bend the knee to a corpo once - you lost.
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 07:48:26 No.2391656
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>>2391600

I don't see how you're not getting this, claiming the partners are fine with the content when they literally say it's the business partners they rely on who they were given the ultimatum by that they needed to purge the content if they "wish to stay business partners with them."

How are you taking what they said and translating that into "the business partners are totally okay with all of the content"?
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 10:05:06 No.2391667
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>>2391656
Because probalbt they know that personally they couldnt care, but i a woke karen somehow finds out the site they can get into way too much troubles for they money they get from them
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 14:46:06 No.2391730
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>>2391263

this seems on point
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 17:24:53 No.2391751
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Knowing some of the staff personally, I can attest that at the very least, they would have preferred not having to remove anything.

The decision is purely a matter of business.

Still shitty though.

I'm wondering if going the way of Sankakau would be the right approach; limiting such content behind a paywall.

At the very least it would provide a centralized way of gathering linkbacks lol.

Either way, there are alternatives.
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 21:03:58 No.2391847
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>>2391751
You know staff personally? Ay yo, I will trade you Comic-Con (the only one, not the knock-offs) work for some online furry work. I need a job furbro.
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Anonymous 2024/07/16 21:25:11 No.2391851
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>>2391751

I don't doubt the staff weren't happy with the removal. But money talks and they were forced to walk this out. But a paywall is out of the question. You think it's bad now? That would result in more users rioting and getting ten times more heat than they got with this already, AND then those same people who forced this to begin with would still withdraw and they'd be almost guaranteed of causing their own problems by claiming the site is now "selling" the content.
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Anonymous 2024/07/17 07:13:54 No.2391908
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Glad they did it, fking hate all those human-like child and young elf,I just want more furry cub
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Anonymous 2024/07/17 11:18:23 No.2391961
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>>2391908

The problem people like you don't realize is that it won't stop there. It never does. Next up will probably be cub. Then the next content some corpo finds too objectionable. Think it won't happen? Patreon didn't stop at cub, nor incest. No, it eventually banned interspecies stuff entirely so furry x human was against their TOS. Hell they even bring up crap like fantasy race interspecies stuff in their TOS so like two unicorns fucking might be okay but a unicorn and a gargoyle well, that's not.

Cheering for censorship only makes you look foolish when the thing you're rooting for is guaranteed to be the next thing on the chopping block.
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Anonymous 2024/07/18 02:00:30 No.2392132
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>>2391908

(Martin Niemöller 1950)

First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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Anonymous 2024/07/18 07:57:06 No.2392192
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>>2392132

Good word, did you write it ?

No? then shut da fuck up
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Anonymous 2024/07/19 16:18:37 No.2392424
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>>2392192
look at this fucking guy, cheering for internet censorship
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Anonymous 2024/07/19 18:01:32 No.2392430
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>>2392424
Just ignore this low IQ troll.
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Anonymous 2024/07/19 19:47:21 No.2392458
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are there really no alternatives? still waiting for names or hints
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Anonymous 2024/07/20 02:09:56 No.2392484
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>>2392458
It actually did in fact get posted furnon...

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. Chatin # MOD # 2024/07/21 20:53:16 No.2392613
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Well, they didn't flag my account THIS TIME for a retroactive change.

I can only assume the site owner lives in or around Russia or China currently...

Can confirm two of my pieces are deleted.

Edited at 2024/07/21 20:56:15
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Anonymous 2024/07/27 00:23:03 No.2393559
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>>2390585
I draw fursuit shota/loli stuff and there are a couple options that exist for sharing that sort of art. I post to my telegram channel and baraag right now, but https://allthefallen.moe/ exists too and doesn't seem to prohibit it at all.

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