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Star Trek Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:04:31 No.1428357   
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Hi

I was wondering if here are some Trekkies, Trekkers or other people who want to talk about the Star Trek series.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:05:35 No.1428358
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I am here. I am not a huge Trekkie, but I have wateched the original series and the classic movies.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:06:13 No.1428359
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>>1428358

Cool. Do you like TNG?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:10:35 No.1428360
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>>1428359

I have watched a few episodes and I do not like it very much. The special effects are quite good for the late 80s and early 90s, but aside from that, I find all of the main characters to be so damned sanctimonious. I am serious, how could anybody like these massive jerks is beyond me. Picard is especially unlikable.

No, I definetly prefer the classic show with Captain Kirk and Spock.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:11:49 No.1428361
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>>1428360

Yeah, Picard is one massive dick, especially in the first two seasons. It does get better though.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:14:08 No.1428362
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>>1428361

I simply do not find the show interesting or exciting. Like you would never get me to watch all seven or so seasons. The stories and plots are mostly either completely absurd or horribly dull. I will give credit to the Borg episodes though, they were quite good.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:15:00 No.1428363
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>>1428362

Can you tell me, where do you see the biggest flaws?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:18:10 No.1428365
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>>1428363

The problem with the Star Trek is as follows:. first, imagine that all the Earth's problems are solved! Okay... so now what? The answer, apparently, is to go outside the area in which the problems are solved and then recreate those old problems using new and different cultures to take the place of the divisions inside the amalgamated culture. What this represents is a failure of the imagination; neither Banks nor Roddenberry were ever able to actually present a credible future of the sort they were nominally envisioning. It's remarkable how much war and violence there is in these officially peaceful cultures, is there not? Why, it's almost as if the alternative it literally too boring to imagine! I really do believe that the people who wrote especially the newer Star Trek shows massively lacked imagination.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:20:48 No.1428366
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>>1428365

Wow, I have to admit, that your criticism of the show is quite thought through. You really have given me something to think about! I guess that you are right, they never show the supposed utopia on Earth, as far as I remember. Their culture is indeed empty and boring, if you take the technology away.

Edited at 2018/04/29 09:44:53
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:30:49 No.1428370
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>>1428366

>Their culture is indeed empty and boring, if you take the technology away.

Indeed, there are no forms of music, no works of art, no fashion which isn't either ugly or a copy of something out of our own time periods. I give a lot of credit to the German sci-fi show Raumpatrouille, where they fleshed these things out. They have their own unique culture, which includes the funny Galyxo dance. We will never see anything like it in Star Trek.

But back to Star Trek: their culture is so extremely conformistic, that it has become highly unbelievable. Where are the Borg enthusiasts who want to get assimilated? Are you really telling me, that nobody wants to become Borg? Where are the people who seek to live after the laws of Surak on Earth? Where are the gourmets who want to taste and enjoy the massively diverse alien food? Where are the sex clubs that offer sex with exotic aliens? In our own world and subculture, the Caitians would simply become superstars through their looks alone. Are you telling me that all people on Earth fetishize the 18th and 19th centuries but nothing else?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:32:44 No.1428371
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>>1428370

Your ideas are indeed creative. What are your thoughts on the original series?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:38:45 No.1428372
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>>1428371

>Your ideas are indeed creative. What are your thoughts on the original series?

The original series succeeds where the other shows fail. The original series is about space travellers who explore unknown worlds. It also works much better because there is a human element to the show all the latter shows miss: Scotty getting drunk, Kirk lusting after women, Bones being extremely sarcastic and having a hate-love relationship with Spock. Whatever your opinion of the moral virtues of these actions are, they are much more humane than the creepy behaviour of the weird, neutered pantsuits of TNG.

Edited at 2018/04/29 09:41:56
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:44:17 No.1428375
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>>1428372

>the weird, neutered pantsuits of TNG.

Haha, you are right. Riker and Troi are like the only ones who get sex. Data in fact gets more sex than Geordie.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:46:23 No.1428376
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>>1428370

>Where are the Borg enthusiasts who want to get assimilated?

That would actually make a great episode! Some punks who want to join the Borg. Damn... we will never see anything like this... right?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:49:16 No.1428377
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>>1428376

>Damn... we will never see anything like this... right?

I do not think so. It would require some creative freedom which is missing among the modern Trek writers. I do assume however, that one of the many parodies and spin-offs could make it right.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:52:01 No.1428378
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>>1428377

You want to know something really embarrassing? I once watched a Star Trek porn parody which was WAY better written than the actual show. It featured heated discussions, alcohol, nudity and a gigantic Borg invasion. It was quite good, to be honest with you.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 09:57:34 No.1428384
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>>1428378

I do not want to sound like some kinda cinema snob, but I have rarely been engaged with the science fiction present in Hollywood movies. There are exceptions, but most of it is simply boring, unsophisticated nonsense. The same goes for science fiction shows: they are rarely focused on delivering some interesting stories or exciting new ideas. They mostly seem to be interested into either following the most cliched routes possible or to push some political bullshit which nobody actually gives a shit about.

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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 10:00:53 No.1428388
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>>1428384

I rarely go the cinema today as well. When I was a kid, we had exciting new ideas and directions in movies like RoboCop, Jurassic Park and Batman. We now have tired sequels, prequels and spin-offs nobody will actually remember.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 10:01:34 No.1428394
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>>1428384

Have you seen the new Star Wars movies?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 10:03:04 No.1428405
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>>1428394

No, I have not. Most people I know who have seen them told me how unwatchable they are. I really do not intend to waste time with bad movies.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 10:05:37 No.1428434
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>>1428405

Dont watch them! These movies ARE as bad as people say! The Last Jedi is honestly one of the worst things I watched in my life. Disaster Movie was terrible, but I had to laugh quite a lot, this movie on the other hand is like getting all of your sense burned at the same time. It really is horrible in almost every way. It makes the Phantom Menace look like Citizen Kane.

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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 10:10:35 No.1428439
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>>1428434

Do not worry. I can find no entertainment in modern-day Hollywood blockbusters. I plan to watch some of the French classics by Jean-Pierre Melville in the next few weeks. These are very, very good movies!
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 10:16:31 No.1428450
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>>1428439

Yeah, the movies from Jean Pierre Melville are awesome! You are right, I should spend more time watching the classics instead of these news crappy movies. Where is the exciting part about Avengers: Infinity War? They are going to defeat Thanos, no matter what. Am I really supposed to believe that they would actually butcher their precious cash cows? I do not want to sound like a hipster, but I will definitely not watch any modern shows and movies until they start doing anything worthwhile.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/30 06:33:26 No.1428802
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Has someone here seen the new show called Discovery? I heard that it is supposed to be really, really bad.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 12:51:11 No.1431594
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>>1428802
If anything positive can be said about DISCO, it has the second-strongest first season out of all the Trek series.*

Worth checking out if you consider yourself a trekkie. Crazy amazing production values. Just... close one eye whenever they delve deep into the Klingon stuff. Ugh.

*imho, the trophy for strongest first season goes to TOS.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 14:43:11 No.1431635
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>>1431594

Thank you for the short review! I agree that TOS had a really awesome first season!
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Furrynomous 2018/05/09 06:43:57 No.1432817
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Gee, I just realized that I have never seen Star Trek Beyond. Given that I really did not like Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek Into Darkness, I am not sure whether I should watch it or not. Is someone here who can recommend it, or would you rather tell me to avoid it?
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Furrynomous 2018/05/10 06:34:08 No.1433169
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>>1432817

Sorry to be so blunt, but it is one giant turd. Avoid it at all costs! It is the same stale shit about a bad guy who wants revenge and who hates the federation.

There is also this condescending Hollywood bullshit about Sulu being gay. One would think, at some point, someone would have asked George Takei, or at least understood that there is an insult implicit in the idea that he could not act.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/10 07:44:15 No.1433187
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>>1433169

Patronizing garabage. The whole saint gay shit just pisses me off. Either show us as normal humans or fucking let it be. No fag wants to see these shitty stereotypes.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/14 08:33:21 No.1435521
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I agree. Either give us believeable gay characters or leave it. I can pass all the faggy stereotypes they constantly push.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/29 14:06:51 No.1443502
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I do like the idea of Star Trek. Astronauts of the future who travel to unknown planets and explore the unknown. My personal problem with the franchise however has always been the excessive, extremely heavy handed preaching. Seriously, I do not want to sit down in my spare time only to get preached at by a show that promised to explore science fiction concepts, only to constantly overshadow them with superficial politics.

Edited at 2018/05/29 14:16:53
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Furrynomous 2018/05/30 10:38:49 No.1444037
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>>1443502

Yeah, I know what you mean. The later shows are especially patronizing. They have a great idea like in the episodes "The Arsenal of Freedom" and "The Neutral Zone" and they fuck it up as hard as it gets. I only saw part of a few episodes, but TNG was one of the most derivative shows I've ever seen. As for why I loathe the later Star Trek shows, it's hard to know where to start. But I suppose the smug incoherence of a saga about a warship charged with peacefully enforcing the supremacy of its "tolerant" culture at laser point would be as good a place to start as any. I used to watch re-runs of the original series as a kid, but was deeply disappointed with TNG when it was launched.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/09 16:33:58 No.1449086
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The original series is terrible. It is in fact so bad that it starts to become awesome again (like The Room and Plan 9 From Outer Space). TNG and all the other Treks are unwatchable. The effects are fine, but all the characters are wooden assholes.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/10 08:32:05 No.1449459
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Fuck Star Trek. This shit is full of useless cucks and fucking preaching. If I want some preaching, I go to Church!
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Furrynomous 2018/06/10 08:37:59 No.1449463
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What about the movies?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/10 08:38:51 No.1449464
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>>1449463

They are fine. Way better than any of the tv shows.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/10 15:56:44 No.1449794
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I saw the whole series Deep Space Nine for 30 bucks on a shelf. Is it worth the price?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/11 12:04:34 No.1450164
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>>1449794

I am not a big fan, but for 30 pounds? I would get it, there are worse shows out there. The whole Federation vs Dominion storyline is quite cool.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/11 17:15:26 No.1450324
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>>1449794

I would buy it. It is not as good as TOS or TNG, but way better than VOY, ENT and STD. Just skip the terrible first season.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/13 08:11:14 No.1451243
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>>1449794

Why not? I freaking love Odo.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/17 17:50:40 No.1453783
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Star Trek: The Original Series - terrible acting, terrible fight scenes, terrible writing, terrible directing, and terrible everything else. Just plain terrible, and yet somehow it is touted as the most brilliantest thing ever.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/17 17:52:40 No.1453788
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>>1453783

No, it was awesome! You are just ignorant. Typical millennial. Just because it is old doesn't mean that it sucks. I guess that it has not enough space lasers and explosions, huh? You must be a Michael Bay Transformers fan!

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Furrynomous 2018/06/17 18:02:19 No.1453794
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>>1453788

What? That wasnt my argument! The Epic of Gilgamesh is still awesome, despite being 4100 years old. The stories of Hercules still rock, despite being 2600 years old. The works of Shakespeare are still astonishing. The music of Mozart is still brilliant and unmatched, despite being 200 years old. Citizen Kane is still a great work of art, despite being 78 years old. The original series was always shit. What is your argument exactly? That good writing wasnt invented in the 1960s? That good acting didn't exist? My least problem are actually the special effects. Face it: there is a reason why hardcore fans cannot defend this series without attacking critics. You yourself have no argument. There is none. The show became famous because of the characters and the spaceship. Nobody wants to remember the awful episodes. Nobody wants to remember Kirk being beaten by little children, the Enterprise being taken over by weird space Hippies and Mr. Spock's brain being stolen!
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Furrynomous 2018/06/17 18:49:19 No.1453816
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Star Trek: The Original Series - By all accounts, a terrible television show, but held up by Trekkies to be the best ever. Best known for William Shatner as Captain James T. Kirk, piss-poor hero, rabid womanizer and a total asswipe.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/17 18:57:59 No.1453822
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>>1453816

How the hell is there even a discussion between who is cooler? Picard doesnt routinely get kicked the shit out by prechoolers.

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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 06:27:08 No.1453990
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>>1453788

Yeah right. Great argument. Either you like a shitty show with atrocious plots or you are stupid, that it what your arguments boils down to. Just remember the episode where Abraham Lincoln flies through space on a throne. Does it get more cringey?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 06:42:11 No.1453994
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>>1453990

You wouldnt know quality even if it hit you in the face!
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 06:43:10 No.1453995
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>>1453990
I'm quite certain that fans of the show don't believe it to be genuinely good. They likely enjoy its awfulness and absurdity. A classic case of "so bad it's good".
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 06:47:56 No.1453996
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>>1453994

Not an argument. You have still not provided an argument, why the show is supposedly great. This show is just terrible. Really, really terrible. One more thing: please take some time and watch the German sci-fi show Raumpatrouille or Raumschiff Orion, which was aired in 1966. While Enterprise had fistfights with green lizards and cringeworthy preaching, Raumpatrouille dealt with the ethics of cloning, the first contact to non-humanoid aliens and with the colonization of planets with hostile environments. Guess which one has become a cult classic and which has disappeared in pop cultures memory?

>>1453995

It must be this way. No one can tell me that someone can sit through this show without massively cringing. Even the dialogue is freaking terrible.

Edited at 2018/06/18 07:00:27
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 07:01:22 No.1453998
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>>1453995

You are absolutely right. I too cannot believe, that people could watch this pathetic show without cringing. I never made it through a whole episode, this is how bad the show really is. My personal problem with the fans is the way they behave (even on here). They just attack everybody who is realistic about the shows actual quality. If I may ask, which show do you think is the best in the franchise, and if you do not like the franchise, which sci-fi show would you say is the best?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 07:42:40 No.1454008
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>>1453998
I barely watched Star Trek, so i can't really comment. I've only seen a few episodes of The Next Generation. They were pretty good. I don't really have a "best" but "Doctor Who" is the sci-fi series i watched the most of.(although some take issue with it being called "sci-fi") I recommend that one as well.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 07:49:03 No.1454010
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>>1454008

You have a good taste! TNG and Doctor Who are great, I agree. I personally have seen only fragments of the original Star Trek, but what I have seen is very bad. It is embarrassing, how popular the show in the USA is.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 07:52:40 No.1454012
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>>1454010

Doctor Who is awesome! It always impressed me, how they did so much with so little time and a very limited budget. It really is a triumph of imagination over limitation.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 08:20:26 No.1454018
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You guys are just ignorant. The original series was legendary and super influential. Without it, we would not have any of the modern science fiction shows and movies.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 08:26:31 No.1454020
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>>1454018

That is like saying without pears we wouldn't have bananas. I doubt that it was this influential. While you are right, that without the original series we would not have had the other shows and movies of Star Trek, but we still would have Doctor Who, Battlestar Galactica, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, Star Wars, RoboCop, The Fifth Element, Jurassic Park, 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Andromeda Strain, Stargate, Superman etc. Remember, the original series flopped in the 1960s. It only became successful through constant reruns in the following decades.

Anyway, Star Trek the original series wasnt this end all be all you make it up to be. It was a shitty sci-fi show from the 1960s which turned into something better. TNG is like miles away from TOS, let's be real here.

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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 08:34:29 No.1454022
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>>1454020

>TNG is like miles away from TOS, let's be real here.

Really? Have you ever seen TNG?

Picard: pompous slaphead who repeatedly got clowned on his own ship by Q, allowed himself to be captured at least twice - one of those times saw him giving vital intelligence to the Borg and lead directly to the deaths of millions of Federation citizens and servicemen.

Riker: this guy was offered his own command, but turned it down. That's a huge red flag right there, but it gets worse. He stuffed himself with space doughnuts until O'Brien had to grease the Jeffries tubes. Whenever you saw Riker interact with fellow crewmen it was just awkward and unpleasant, he's a weird, insecure, unlikeable fatbeard who keeps annoying the crew with his shitty saxophone. Even his own dad hated him.

Worf: the special-needs Klingon, too stupid to live. A badass in his own mind who kept losing fist fights and could be easily tricked by small children or Data's cat. No wonder the other Klingons wouldn't let poor Worfy join in any Klingon games.

Dr Crusher: if she was such a good doctor, why was her husband dead? Check and mate. Spawned Wil Wheaton and had space sex with a space ghost that had previously serviced her grandmother. I'm not sure which is more shameful or creepy.

Data: autistic RealDoll who should've been recycled as something marginally more useful.

Geordi LaForge: handicapped sex-pest who cyberstalked the woman who designed the Enterprise.

This was, mind you, the finest crew in Starfleet, which leads me to deduce the other ships were full of window-licking retards like Archer.

Nevermind that the ship was butt ugly.

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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 08:47:35 No.1454031
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>>1454022

You still have not made an argument why the original series was good, only that it was influential and that TNG had unlikable characters. So what? Its like I told you before: I have never and will never see a positive argument in favor of the original series because there is none. Our friend from France is right, I too assume that people only watch it for the abysmal qualities. The reason why you can not come up with one argument is because there can be none. This show is bad on every level. I even would go further and say that it is among the very worst shows I have ever seen. Episodes like "And the Children shall lead" and "Spock's Brain" are beyond anything I have ever seen in sci-fi shows.

Even the supposedly good episodes like "The Corbomite Maneuver", "The City on the Edge of Forever" and "‎The Trouble With Tribbles" are awful. I am serious, the end scene of "The Corbomite Maneuver" reaches "The Garbage Pail Kids Movie" levels of atrocity. All scenes with Clint Howard are really, really terrible. I felt ashamed for all the actors and people who worked on this.

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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 09:07:38 No.1454037
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>>1454022
How about you argue in favour of the original series instead of against others.

Why do you like it?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 09:20:34 No.1454040
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>>1454037

You have a point. You are right, I better start arguing for TOS. I really love the show because I used to watch it with my dad when I was a kid. I really enjoyed the idea of space travel and the idea of exploring new worlds. Kirk, Spock and Bones were my heroes.

Edited at 2018/06/18 10:04:08
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 09:38:38 No.1454041
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>>1454040

I see. Look, I understand that you have nostalgic feelings towards the show. But I am sorry to say that nostalgic feelings do not make a show great. I am glad to you have found enjoyment in the series. But just take a look at the discussion here: until now, you have never came up with an argument in favor of TOS. Look, you say it yourself: you mostly like ideas and characters, not the show or the plots itself. May I assume that you prefer the movies to the show?

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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 09:49:26 No.1454045
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>>1454041

I have never thought about it this way. I guess that your analysis is quite correct. I mostly have nostalgic feelings towards the original series. The reason why I have not yet come up with any other argument is because I wasnt able to construct one. I really don't know what to say. Maybe you guys have a point. You also have a point with the movies, I always liked them more than the show.

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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 10:17:55 No.1454050
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>>1454045

The reason why you prefer the movies is because the movies have a much higher level of quality, when it comes to the stories, dialogue and acting. You like them, because they - in some way - represent a vastly improved version of the original concept. Just take a look at the episodes of the original series: even the world-building is really bad and gets contradicted in every other episode. It were the movies that basically gave Star Trek a more believable world and a more internal consistence. It is no accident, that most of the newer shows are based on the movies, not TOS. TNG even reused sets from the movies.

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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 16:20:29 No.1454165
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What? Even the dude who defended TOS later agreed that it was more his nostalgia than quality of the show itself? Wow, I guess that nobody really likes this show, huh?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/18 16:25:10 No.1454167
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I hate to curse, but Star Trek: the original series is a piece of shit. A gigantic turd of awfulness. Someone said that people probably only watch it because it is so bad that it starts to be entertaining again (like Plan 9 from Outer Space or The Room). I absolutely agree! Nobody with a straight face can tell me, that they think that this is some masterpiece.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/19 06:12:56 No.1454365
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You guys know what? Let us vote which Star Trek show is the best.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/19 06:13:57 No.1454366
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>>1454365

Star Trek TNG
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Furrynomous 2018/06/19 06:14:24 No.1454367
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Star Trek: The Next Generation
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Furrynomous 2018/06/19 06:14:50 No.1454368
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Star Trek the next generation
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Furrynomous 2018/06/19 06:15:20 No.1454369
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>>1454365

Star Trek: the next generation

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Furrynomous 2018/06/19 06:16:21 No.1454371
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Star Trek: The Next Generation
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Furrynomous 2018/06/19 06:16:52 No.1454373
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ST: TNG

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Furrynomous 2018/06/19 14:05:37 No.1454506
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>>1454365
TNG. I want to have Patrick Stewart's babies.
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So... pretty much everybody loves Star Trek: The Next Generation. Nobody even attempted to vote for another show.

Edited at 2018/06/19 15:34:23
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Furrynomous 2018/06/20 15:52:34 No.1455019
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I just watched "A Piece of the Action". What an awful fucking show. Seriously, does it get shittier? This is like the worst sci-fi show I have ever seen.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/20 15:54:55 No.1455021
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>>1455019

Check the thread. You are definetly not alone with this view. I too think that it is a terrible show and even more pathetic for a supposedly cerebral sci-fi show.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/21 03:04:10 No.1455238
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The original series is a piece of shit.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/21 05:51:33 No.1455275
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>>1453995

>I'm quite certain that fans of the show don't believe it to be genuinely good. They likely enjoy its awfulness and absurdity. A classic case of "so bad it's good".

I think that this sums it up perfectly. Although I have met people who claimed to love the show and that the show is supposedly a wonderful masterpiece in their eyes, it never sounded remotely convincing, it actually sounded more like they were trying to convince themselves, that the show is some grossly misunderstood work of art.

Personally, I think it is impossible to deny the overall terrible quality of the show. I would even go further and say that the show is immensely stupid. The basic concept of a unified humanity who travels the universe with advanced spaceships is actually exiting. The starship Enterprise and its crew are very well-developed, too bad that all of their tv adventures are horrible. Pretty much the only episode with isn't cringeworthy is "Space Seed", where Khan first appears. It should come off as no surprise, that they made a great movie after the only good episode.

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Furrynomous 2018/06/21 06:00:20 No.1455278
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>>1453783

>>1453995

>>1455238

>>1455275

I recently had a few buddies over and we decided to watch the episode "The Changeling". It was hilarious! We laughed like the entire time. This really is so bad, that it starts to become entertaining again. I can only guess how awkward it must have been to play a role with such a ridiculous looking prop. We wanted to do a drinking game, where we would take a sip when something stupid in the episode happens. We quickly gave this game up, nobody wanted an alcohol posioning, after all. I definitely enjoy the show, but for all the wrong reasons.

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Furrynomous 2018/06/21 12:44:03 No.1455353
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>>1455278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65dzjOIkwwI
This is one of my favorite episodes. The alien is a goddamn rug. With tassles. Those are clearly tassles, and that alien is clearly a rug. And the acting. Oh god. Glorious.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/21 13:12:12 No.1455360
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>>1455353

Awesome, thanks a lot for the link! You are right, this thing does look like a rug, it also reminds me of my grandmothers old carpet. I defintely belong in the camp which loves TOS, but I love it because it is bascially trash. I do understand the people who say that they cannot bear it.

Here is another gem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avTfiRccYIA

Seriously, I cannot watch this without breaking into extremely loud laughter. It is simply legendary.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/21 13:13:34 No.1455362
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>>1455353

I love it, I love it! Thanks a lot!
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Furrynomous 2018/06/21 15:39:06 No.1455412
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The orginal series had a positive influence on its viewers, but lets be honest, its quality is very, very low. I am okay with hokey writing, but TOS goes WAY overboard. These are not trained astronauts, they are idiots who fall for the easiest of traps and enemies (including kids who are led by a clown, on the way to Marcus 12).
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Furrynomous 2018/06/22 10:11:39 No.1455737
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>>1455412
Yeah, the original series is pretty bizarre. As far as space exploration goes, these guys are really, really weird. It always struck me as weird, that no one aboard seems to be a good scientist, let alone philosopher. They are bascially just some guys on a space ship.

I rather take Firefly. It has only one season and a handful of episodes, but at least all of them are great. The original series has 72 episodes, yet almost all of them are terrible.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/22 13:42:23 No.1455796
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>>1455737

Yeah! Firefly was fucking awesome! Too bad that the fucktards at fox killed it.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/23 10:09:27 No.1456150
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Apparently, Tarantino will do the next Star Trek movie. Any thoughts?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/23 10:27:50 No.1456162
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>>1456150

Sounds terrible, to be honest. Tarantino is not exactly known for his cerebral movies.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 13:26:13 No.1456773
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>>1456150

It will be awesome, if he really can do what he wants to do. I am afraid that the corporate jackals will simply fuck up his vision, as they always do (see Solo: A Star Wars Story).
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 18:31:37 No.1456874
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David Gerrold, one of the original writers of Star Trek, has called Gene Roddenberry a "Social Justice Warrior". What are your thoughts?

https://www.facebook.com/david.gerrold/posts/10204973223422658

http://www.treknews.net/2015/11/18/gene-roddenberry-the-original-sjw/

http://www.jimchines.com/2015/02/star-trek-and-social-justice/
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 18:37:44 No.1456885
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>>1456874

He was progressive, but I don't know if he would qualify as a Social Justice advocate today. I heard stories about that he was supposedly horribly sexist when it came to women. Here are some links:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/09/star-trek-gene-roddenberry-was-misogynistic-hack/

https://nypost.com/2016/09/04/he-had-a-dark-side-star-trek-creators-sexism-revealed/

https://withoutbullshit.com/blog/gene-roddenberry-sexist-pig-observations-star-trek-sex

http://www.kristenhovet.com/2015/11/the-flawed-humanism-of-gene-roddenberry.html
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 18:38:34 No.1456886
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>>1456885

Star trek is kind of boring.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/26 16:23:59 No.1457847
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I think that our Dutch friend is right. Roddenberry was involved in the civil rights movement, but he didn't seem to have any modern social justice views. The part with the sexism is also true, Roddenberry was accused several times of having inconvenienced actresses at the sets of his shows. He was also known for constantly cheating his wives.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/29 10:48:11 No.1459272
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I know that the original series is treated like some national treasure in the states, but I never understood why. It is obviously a terrible show. People often proclaim that those who do not like the show either have no taste or are stupid, which always struck me as weird. The show obviously has no quality whatsoever, William Shatner such as never pretended that this was some brilliant, misunderstood masterpiece and called it what it was: a b movie like sci-fi show from the 1960s, including ray guns and silly lizard aliens (not to speak of the rug monster from that mine planet). The original series has survived as a pop culture icon, not as some admired work of science fiction. A Gentlemen from France has said that he think that most people openly or secretly know of the extremely law quality of the show, with which I openly agree.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/30 10:49:40 No.1459661
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Fuck Star Trek.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/06 07:46:59 No.1462250
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Roddenberry was a fucking creep, if you ask me.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/06 08:26:53 No.1462275
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My personal reason why I was never enthusiastic about Star Trek was the way they represent the universe: they mostly make it seem dull and mundane. All aliens look like humans and basically use the same type of technology. The only aliens which are more exotic and use biotechnology are species 8472, a species which barely ever shows up and is from another dimension. I just never got the feeling that these are real explorers who are making contact with real aliens, also the lack of awe is weird to say the least. The ham-fisted acting and annoying, never-ending preaching was also not helpful.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/06 08:36:31 No.1462276
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>>1462275

I have not seen any of the older shows, but in the newer shows, the crews of the spaceships seem to be made up from mostly made up from creepy pajama wearing pricks. Their lack of emotion or any real human behaviour has also always irritated me to say the least. They encounter a gigantic Dyson sphere, so how do they react? Do they take a look in awe of the amazing construction? How do they react to such a marvelous thing of engineering? They blandly take a look, not more impressed than an everyday person is into staring at drying paint. It is really the weird behaviour which kills the franchise for me. I think I will take a look at the older shows, but no, all the newer Star Trek stuff is uninteresting to me. Well, Star Trek has zero relevance to the actual society of the future, which is much more likely to resemble the Reavers of Firefly than the neutered pantsuits of Star Trek.
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>>1462276

Exactly! They are dead inside. Your example is perfect: they find something like a real Dyson Sphere, yet their reaction is as unnatural as it gets. Just take a look at our own scholars we have on here: they are totally excited for a half-broken stone tablet from the Babylonians, for heaven's sake! What astronaut would be bored by finding monumental alien mega-structures in space? Whose heart would not pounder enthusiastically for all the new knowledge and artifacts one would expect to find?
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>>1462278

Thank you very much for the pictures! As everybody can see, they look bored if they first encounter the Dyson Sphere (which is by the way the only one in the Star Trek galaxy as far as we know). Seriously, take a look at their faces: this is the first scene, where they first see the monumental sphere. No excitement whatsoever. Are these scientist and astronauts or lobotomized monkeys? Seriously, the crew in "Star Trek Beyond" shows more excitement for the already well-known starbase of their own, the Yorktown. than Picard and his crew do for this unknown technological marvel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_QONHqL67o
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Furrynomous 2018/07/09 13:59:22 No.1464276
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Has anyone seen Star Trek: Insurrection? What are your thoughts?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/09 14:00:36 No.1464277
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It is fucking awful. One of the shittiest Star Trek movies.

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Furrynomous 2018/07/23 17:38:39 No.1470571
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>>1428365

This may be the most perfect description of Star Trek I have seen. For why I loathe the show, it probably is the inconsistent assholery of the federation, where they constantly preach their moral bullshit while they themselves completely ignore it. Take for example their supposedly cherished peacefulness and their sacred prime directive: they sure as fuck are quick to grab their guns and destroy enemies, not to mention how often they change or flat-out damage cultures if they do not suit their views. These are really cruel motherfuckers, if you ask me. They hate the Borg, but at least the Borg don't play pretending. They flat-out state their business and move on. Also, the Borg offer something akin to a super-democracy, where basically every drone can take a vote, whereas the great and noble federation is a one party dictatorship, as far as we know. I only like Mress and the tech, all the other stuff about the Star Trek shows is garbage.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/23 17:42:36 No.1470572
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>>1470571

The great Stanislaw Lem said it best:

"Star Trek is an amusing fairy tale for teenagers, but when one focuses on the world-building and scientific aspects, it is simply pathetic".

I also do not like Star Trek because of the disgusting sexism of Gene Roddenberry. The man really, really hated women. Just take a look at the costume of the original series and read about his private life. What a fucking pig!
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Furrynomous 2018/07/23 17:45:26 No.1470573
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>>1470572

That is true. I have read his biography. He sure was a sexist, I cannot and will not deny this. But I still love Star Trek the original series. But you are right, it is important to be aware of the horrible misogyny of Roddenberry.

Edited at 2018/07/23 17:46:36
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Furrynomous 2018/07/24 12:30:38 No.1470915
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>>1453995

You are right, I love TOS, but for all the wrong reasons. It is horribly really, when one tries to take it seriously. I like it for the trashy qualities. I think that there is no episode of the show, which has not made me laugh my ass off. It really is hilariously bad, from the sloppy writing, the absurd acting to the bizarre set designs.

Edited at 2018/07/24 12:32:31
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>>1453995

Some try to defend the show, by saying that it is shitty because it is old, which is a terrible argument really. Remember, this show was released during the same time "Time Tunnel" was aired. This show is barely older than "Space 1999". Personally, I believe that the low quality was intentionally, because TOS was one of the most expansive shows at the time, costing 190000 Dollar per episode.

Just take a look at this picture: they didn't even try. They simply took a picture of Earth and smeared some green color over it. Seriously, just take a look, the didn't even try to cover up the fact that this is Earth and the continents are clearly visible.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/24 13:03:59 No.1470925
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>>1470924

This show has always been a real mystery to me. Some people genuinely seem to believe that this is a good show. I don't get it at all. This is the equivalent of saying that "Plan 9 from Outer Space" is as great as "Casablanca" or "Citizen Kane", it clearly is an absurd statement. Fans get really sad, when someone calls the show "terrible" or "really bad", yet it obviously is awful on every level. What am I missing here? What the hell do they see in this awful show? Why has it become such a super hit and a cultural icon in the USA?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/24 13:08:53 No.1470931
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>>1470925

Well, I am American and I don't get it as well, you are clearly not alone in that regard! I tried to watch some episodes but had to stop, it was insultingly bad! Why there even is an argument among the fans, which show is better, the really, really terrible original series or the decent TNG is grotesque to say the least. I am by no means a Trekkie, but come on! TNG beats TOS in every regard. I am not kidding, everything TOS did, was much better done in TNG. I don't get the popularity of TOS myself. Maybe a fan could help us to understand the situation better.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/25 12:06:57 No.1471430
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>>1470924

They didn't even try! They didn't even try! How fucking lame is that? They didn't even paint some new landmass.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/26 08:13:32 No.1471742
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What always bothered me was the fact that Star Trek promotes Marxism, while the creators were shameless capitalists. Seriously, these shows cost a fortune on DVD and Blu-ray!
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Furrynomous 2018/07/26 08:17:23 No.1471759
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>>1471742

You know what scumbags all these Hollywood assholes are. They preach one thing, while not living at all after their own shit. Leonardo DiCaprio lectures people constantly about environmentalism, while sending a fucking plane to get an environmental award. What a prick!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603860/Leonardo-DiCaprio-s-8-000-mile-day-trip-private-jet-collect-green-award-Actor-facing-criticism-flying-Cannes-New-York-again.html

Edited at 2018/07/26 08:25:23
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Furrynomous 2018/07/26 08:22:28 No.1471761
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>>1471742

TNG costed like 200 Euros to get. What the fuck are they thinking? Picard constantly preaches the mantra "money is bad" in the show. The extreme hypocrisy makes me literally speechless.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/26 09:51:58 No.1471783
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>>1471742
Celebrity hypocrisy at its worst. Do as I preach but not as I do. Sickening...
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Furrynomous 2018/07/26 09:59:01 No.1471792
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>>1471783

Fuck them all. I despise Hollywood.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/27 13:58:59 No.1472227
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>>1471792

Same here. I have not seen any new Hollywood movie since 2008. Never regretted it.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/27 13:59:48 No.1472229
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>>1472227

Which one was the last film you have seen in 2008?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/27 14:01:10 No.1472230
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>>1472229

It was the movie "The Dark Knight" by Christopher Nolan.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/28 05:34:24 No.1472486
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Star Trek sucks and Gene Roddenberry was a piece of shit!
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Furrynomous 2018/07/28 05:41:30 No.1472490
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>>1472230
You have missed nothing. All of the new movies are terrible! They are simply political propaganda, nothing more. That is also why people still remember movies from the 1980s and 1990s, but forget movies from this miserable period.

Think about it: why does nobody today watch propaganda movies from world war II for entertainment? It is quite simple: propaganda does nothing else than promoting one side and demonizing all others. This explains why these movies are about as interesting as staring at a blank wall. I am serious, there were no movies done in the last 10 years which are not completely forgettable. This slowly starts to catch up to audiences, who are not even willing anymore to pay to see a freaking Han Solo movie!
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Furrynomous 2018/07/28 05:47:34 No.1472491
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>>1472486

I cannot disagree. He was a horrible person from what I have read. It is almost bizarre to see that the same people who view him as some kinda holy man or guru would hate him if they would have met him in real life.

>>1472490

That is a very good point you have brought up there! You are right, most movies today simply try to push some political crap. This explains why nobody gives a shit anymore. People from all political spectrums could view "Star Wars", "Back to the Future" and "Lord of the Rings", which is one of the reasons why these movies were so great: they simply told a story everybody could identify with and everybody could watch, while nobody was demonized.

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Furrynomous 2018/07/30 03:23:33 No.1473383
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I have never been into Star Trek, but I recently watched a few episodes of the old series from the 1950s or 1960s. It was fucking horrible to say the least. Everything was bad. I am not kidding, everything was terrifically bad. Even small things like the props they used or the stupid gags were really awful. I always liked classic sci-fi, but this show is one giant piece of shit. I am honestly confused how this sparked the giant franchise Star Trek eventually turned into.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/30 03:26:28 No.1473384
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>>1473383

Yeah, even stranger is the cult status the show has in the USA, were one is considered a madman or barbarian to question its supposed quality. I am not kidding, I have met some people in the USA who seriously pretended that this show is some kinda deeply philosophical masterpiece. One dude said to me: "You know, this is like "Thus spoke Zarathustra" by Friedrich Nietzsche, it is as deep!". What the fuck are these people smoking?

Edited at 2018/07/30 03:26:52
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Furrynomous 2018/07/30 03:33:26 No.1473387
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>>1473384

>What the fuck are these people smoking?

I have no idea. I also heard that the show is supposedly scientifically accurate. From what I have seen, this show is even less scientifically accurate than the MCU. Seriously, I am currently studying physics, and they do not even get gravity right. For them, gravity is some magic energy that simply springs into existence when ever it feels so, whereas real gravity is based on the mass of an object in space. Hell, even small kids in school learn these basics. Scientifically accurate my ass. Fucking "Treasure Planet" is more accurate. I am not even kidding.

Edited at 2018/07/30 03:34:34
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Furrynomous 2018/07/30 03:42:15 No.1473391
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>>1473387

What also bothers me, is how fucking mundane space in these shows is. The characters react to extreme situations with really bizarre reactions. They meet basically ghosts and gods but barely lift an eyebrow. What the fuck? If I were to see ghosts and meet Apollo, my reaction wouldn't be a smug smile. They find a crystalline world consuming alien, yet do not even care to question whether this being is natural or artificial. This thing is basically a lovecraftian nightmare, yet they barely react to the fact that something like his exists and goes around devouring whole worlds. What the fuck? They react less impressed than I when I hear some shitty country music in the radio. No, I mean like seriously, does the Federation send lobotomized freaks into space? Or are they so heavily drugged that they have lost all human behaviour (outside of smugness?). Have the Vulcans conquered Earth and taken all emotions away except arrogance and insufferable smugness?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/30 03:55:59 No.1473400
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>>1473391

You have brought up a very valid point! I too find their behaviour to be extremely off-putting. Some others have said this before on this thread, but it is true, most of the Trek characters seemingly do not give a shit about being in space at all. From time to time we hear Picard talking about how he looked to the stars as a kid. This really is as far as passion for space exploration goes. Captain Kirk doesn't even go this far. I think that he only ever seems passionate about space travel in the movies. How much I would appreciate a more natural character cannot be overstated. There never is any awe in these characters. They encounter massive spaceships and even Dyson spheres, yet always look bored out of their minds. Can you even imagine Neil Armstrong beings this unimpressed during the moon landing? I sure can not.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/31 05:55:00 No.1473793
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It is interesting, but as far as I can see, there are very few people who seriously would argue that TOS was actually good. In fact, the only guy on this thread who tried to defend TOS failed (sorry dude). I think that the show is freaking awful.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/31 10:12:44 No.1473847
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The Americans never cease to amaze me with their sheer stupidity. Star Trek is really, really dumb, yet they view it as a masterpiece. Dumbfucks. Read some Arthur C. Clarke and Stanislaw Lem! Forget your yankee bullshit!
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Furrynomous 2018/07/31 14:37:26 No.1473924
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>>1473384

>one is considered a madman or barbarian to question its supposed quality

Yeah, I guess that the show has become a myth of sorts. The myth has very little to do with how the quality the original series actually was. This explains why people very rarely make references to individual episodes. The plotlines are so dumb, that it would be counterproductive to reference them at all. I have only seen a couple of episodes, yet it was more than enough to never watch this shitty show ever again. From what I heard, the show with Captain Picard is much better. So I am going to check that one out.

>>1473793

I think that the show is freaking awful
It is awful. It is really, really awful. I watch a lot of classic sci-fi movies and shows, but nothing comes close to the stupidity and ugliness of TOS.

>>1473847

While I find the harshness of your words to be quite rude, I must agree with your observation that most Americans are all to quick to consume terrible books and sci-fi shows. I am quite aware of the high quality of European science fiction, do not worry. I will definitely check out some of the classic European sci-fi books and movies.

Edited at 2018/07/31 14:40:37
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Furrynomous 2018/07/31 15:05:09 No.1473933
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Enterprise trolled Trekkies! LOL!
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Furrynomous 2018/07/31 15:13:03 No.1473935
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Star Trek TOS... oh boy... where to begin? By all accounts, a terrible television show, but held up by some Trekkies to be the best ever. Best known for William Shatner as Captain James T. Kirk, piss-poor hero, rabid womanizer and really shitty fighter. And a total asswipe (I think most people confuse the Kirk from the movies with the pathetic clown from the show).

Edited at 2018/07/31 15:15:50
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Furrynomous 2018/07/31 17:48:16 No.1473999
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>>1473935
Perfect description of TOS! The should print your description in the Star Trek books!
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Furrynomous 2018/08/01 17:51:59 No.1474414
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Is someone else here who loves Deep Space Nine? I was like obsessed by the show when I was a teenager in the 90s!
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Furrynomous 2018/08/02 12:25:02 No.1474761
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>>1474414

I freaking love DS9! Great show!
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Furrynomous 2018/08/22 14:34:56 No.1484182
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For ya trekkies to jerk off
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Furrynomous 2018/08/22 14:36:09 No.1484187
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>>1484182

Suck on that, I like it!
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Furrynomous 2018/08/23 05:11:27 No.1484551
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Wow, massive bonerkiller.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/31 09:18:30 No.1488097
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Star Trek sucks. Brain cancer is more entertaining than this miserable pile of dog shit. Seriously, the movie from 2009 is like the only movie in the franchise which is not horrible.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/31 09:29:15 No.1488104
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>>1488097

I agree, most of the writing is just awful. I really hope that Quentin Tarantino brings in some new ideas and lets his creativity work.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/31 12:00:06 No.1488163
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>>1488104

Sorry to say, but Hollywood sucks ass.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/31 13:37:37 No.1488250
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>>1453995

>I'm quite certain that fans of the show don't believe it to be genuinely good. They likely enjoy its awfulness and absurdity. A classic case of "so bad it's good".

I think that this sums it up neatly. The original series is many things, but it is not well written or acted at all. It is a utter mess.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/01 14:01:34 No.1488817
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>>1488097

Star Trek sucks. The whole premise is just absurd. Why can they breathe on all planets? It just does not make any sense.

Edited at 2018/09/01 14:01:54
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Furrynomous 2018/09/01 22:54:08 No.1489127
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>>1488817
Just because you can't breathe methane doesn't mean that other people shouldn't be allowed to.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 04:35:29 No.1496408
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>>1489127
Ha, that was a great joke! I love Star Trek, but the physics make me cringe so freaking hard!
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 04:36:35 No.1496409
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Gentlemen, given how popular polls are on here, let us do another one: does any of you own Star Trek stuff on DVD or Blu-ray?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 04:40:57 No.1496410
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>>1496409
TNG and TOS on Blu-ray. I also own the shitty movie from 2009. A friend thought that he would do me a favor...
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 04:41:43 No.1496411
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>>1496409

I own TNG on Blu-ray. It is great in high definition!
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 04:43:11 No.1496412
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>>1496409
I own the complete TOS series on beta. I also have TNG on Blu-ray. Anybody else here who thinks that this stuff is absurdly expensive?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 07:50:23 No.1496443
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>>1496409
I bought TNG on Blu-ray, but lost it.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 08:19:31 No.1496451
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>>1489127

This honestly always bothered me. How are they able to survive on all these diverse planets without any special gear? A planet with the same size and a similar chemical mixture in the atmosphere like Earth but 10 percent less oxygen would first damage your brain and ultimately lead to your death. The same goes for gravity: a planet with much more mass than Earth could have 4-5 times of our gravity and would have disastrous effects on human physiology. Lets not even touch the issue of air pressure, because then it would get really messy. Honestly, how can people claim that "Star Trek" is scientifically correct, when they do not even get primitive basics right?

It gets even dumber when you realize that the useless, ugly pajamas they are wearing aren't even offering protection against extreme climates, they neither warm you nor do they cool you. They in fact are seemingly not even waterproof, which is just insane. These "uniforms" are even less useful than the onesie my little sister loves to wear so much! At least her onesie is waterproof and warms the wearer! Maybe the federation views their "slaves" (lets face it, they ARE factually slaves, as they are not getting paid and I refuse to believe that anybody would be stupid enough to join the "red shirts") as so worthless that they simply gave them the bare minimum what you could call "clothing".
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 08:30:39 No.1496454
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>>1496451

>lets face it, they ARE factually slaves, as they are not getting paid and I refuse to believe that anybody would be stupid enough to join the "red shirts"

That is very true. The death rate of red shirts is so massively high and the job offers such bad advancement opportunities, that it seems impossible, that someone would join them freely. Think about this: who is stupid enough to serve as such a dispensable crew member for no payment? They are not even getting a funeral or a memorial. By the way, not even Lt. Tomlinson gets to have his own funeral, and he was higher than any red shirt as far as ranks go.

Edited at 2018/09/21 08:32:32
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Furrynomous 2018/09/22 11:13:03 No.1496883
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So... they are going to bring back Captain Picard. What are your thoughts?

POGO - Data & Picard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5TUw7sUBs
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Furrynomous 2018/09/22 11:16:37 No.1496884
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>>1496883

Given what a massive ass cancer STD was, I have zero hopes. They gonna fuck it up. Mark my words, Ladies and Gentlemen. We now live in a time period, where a massive prick like Seth Macfarlane makes a better Star Trek show than the original creators themselves.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/22 11:22:07 No.1496887
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>>1496884

>We now live in a time period, where a massive prick like Seth Macfarlane makes a better Star Trek show than the original creators themselves.

Truer words have never been uttered! It is so bad, that the creators themselves have promised to make it "more light-hearted". Translation: "The Orville has four times more viewers than we do. Time to imitate it!". Fuck the new show with Picard! I rather watch the original show before I lay my poor eyes on this miserable piece of shit. They gonna damage the character in the same way they destroyed Luke Skywalker.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/23 04:53:47 No.1497316
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Fuck. A new Picard show. A, what a shitshow this will be. Better go back and watch the classic series again.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/23 05:00:38 No.1497322
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I don't know why you guys are all so pessimistic about the new show, maybe it will be quite decent?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/23 05:04:28 No.1497324
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>>1497322

>I don't know why you guys are all so pessimistic about the new show, maybe it will be quite decent?

No, I wont. If we learned anything about prequels, sequels, remakes and reboots in the last ten years, it is that Hollywood fucks it up every time. Nobody who worked on the original TNG will be involved, not a writer and not even the original producers. Instead, the show runner will be Assface McCancer, the same asshole who rammed the new movies through the fucking ground.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/23 05:07:56 No.1497326
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>>1497324

>Assface McCancer

Assface McCancer! That really is the perfect nickname for Alex Kurtzman! How I hate this asshole cannot even be put into words. He destroyed several properties I was madly in love with. How much I would give to kick the shit out of this parasite, this disgusting vermin!

Edited at 2018/09/23 05:09:18
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Furrynomous 2018/09/24 09:00:43 No.1497768
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>>1497324
With Kurtzman on board, the thing is dead before it started.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/24 09:35:43 No.1497801
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Kurtzman (I like the name Assface McCancer for him) and J. J. Abrams are pretty much the very same: They are not only "creators" who cannot create, they are both goblin looking parasites who, regardless of their technical skills, cannot even successfully execute a paint-by-the-numbers imitation. Like a colorblind painter, their absurd mythological blindness renders them fundamentally incapable of utilizing a full mythological palette (which was the basis for all good stories since the dawn of time).

Let’s take a look at Abrams track record so far:

- Mission: Impossible III – Shitty copy of Licence to Kill

- Star Trek 2009 – Shitty copy of Star Wars

- Star Trek: Into Darkness – Shitty copy of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

- Alias – Shitty copy of Felicity, Dark Angel and the German show Der Spion (it is so bald faced, that he even copied the main title sequence and music by nearly one by one, talk about shameless)

- Lost – Cast Away, Survivor, and Gilligan's Island, with Lord of the Flies elements (the title sequence itself was stolen by the short-lived Austrian show Die Insel des Dr. Mabuse)

- Cloverfield – Shitty version of Godzilla

- Fringe – Shitty version of X-Files, Twilight Zone and the German show Unglaubliche Geschichten (many of the characters even have the same roles and names, a crazy doctor named Dr. Bischof has spent a long time in a mental asylum, has an assistant named Astrid and a billionaire friend named Wilhelm Bell. This just shows what a fucking hack Abrams really is. He literally took the same damn show and didn’t even attempt to cover it up.)

- Star Wars: Force Awakens – A really shitty imitation of the first Star Wars movie

Bottom line: J.J.’s “cut-and-paste” approach just doesn’t cut the mustard.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/24 09:49:20 No.1497809
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>>1497801

I was recently on a business trip in Germany and when I was in the hotel, I watched some tv. I went away, to get something to eat, then I heard the familiar "Fringe" theme. I thought "Oh great, Fringe is on!" and returned to the tv. Much to my shock, this was the German show "Unglaubliche Geschichten". You are absolutely right, he even copied the main theme. Seriously, how much of a douche can a living person be? The stories and characters are the fucking same! A FBI agent called Olivia and a crazy doctor called Dr. Walter Bischof with an assistant called Astrid and a friend called Willhelm Bell (Willhelm is the Gerrman version of William) deal with an invading force of man in black suits from the far future and alternate dimensions and timelines.

Edited at 2018/09/24 09:49:51
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Furrynomous 2018/09/24 10:08:08 No.1497811
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>>1497809
What if these similarities are just coincidential?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/24 10:26:46 No.1497816
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>>1497811

They are not. There is a clearly visible pattern:

- Both shows start with images of x-ray pictures which are unusual.

- The main theme of both shows is almost completely identical.

- In both shows, the main character works for the FBI and is called Olivia.

- In both shows, a Doctor for fringe sciences called Bishop (Bischof is German for Bishop) and has spent a large part of his life in a mental asylum, because one of his formers assistants was killed in a laboratory accident. In both shows, Dr. Bischof/Bishop has a rather tough relationship with his son named Peter who only calls him by his first name.

- In both shows, Dr. Bischof/Bishop has a former colleague and friend named Willhelm/William Bell who is a billionaire and interested into fringe sciences and travels through different dimensions. In both versions, Bell has a large corporation with "massive" in its title. "Massive Dynamics" and "Massive Dynamic" (o wow, they left the "s" out. Now it is a completely different name... ).

- In both shows, Dr. Bischof/Bishops new assistant is named Astrid.

- In both shows, people wearing black suits from the future try to alter time. The difference is that the time travelers in "Unglaubliche Geschichten" have sunglasses, whereas the time travelers from "Fringe" are bald and wear bowler heads or fedoras.

- In both shows, there is a character called Nina who helps the main characters with her technical knowledge.

- In both shows, the boss of Olivia is named Philip.

- In both shows, the bad guys use futuristic technology and telepathy for their plans.

- Both shows deal with the unfortunate and early death of the mother of Peter.

- Both shows have a storyline where Walter traveled to other dimensions in the 1980s and where his travels change the history in the other dimension.

You see the problem? This is basically the very same show! Remember, "Unglaubliche Geschichten" was done in 1985, "Fringe" was released in 2008.

Edited at 2018/09/24 10:28:34
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Furrynomous 2018/09/24 10:30:53 No.1497820
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>>1497816
The reason why they don't sue the shit out of that ugly goblins shitty ass is because the production company went bankrupt in the early 1990s, after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/24 10:32:03 No.1497821
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>>1497816
This proves what I have expected, the dude is one massive asshole. Seriously, this may be one of the biggest douchebags who ever worked in the movie business.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/24 10:34:40 No.1497822
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>>1497816
I knew it! Abrams copied a show which was not protected by the copyright law anymore. How fucking typical. He basically stole everything. There is not a single original thought in the whole show. This is just embarrassing.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/24 10:37:14 No.1497823
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>>1497816

>You see the problem? This is basically the very same show! Remember, "Unglaubliche Geschichten" was done in 1985, "Fringe" was released in 2008.

Makes perfectly sense. Abrams also copied E.T. when he did Super 8. Man, the guy is absolutely empty when it comes to ideas. He really shouldnt work in this field.

Edited at 2018/09/24 10:37:26
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Furrynomous 2018/09/25 06:27:01 No.1498248
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>>1497816

It gets weirder: there is an episode of Fringe where Walter says that his father was German and that his name was Bischof. So... are they openly admiting where their stuff was stolen from?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/25 08:18:06 No.1498274
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>>1498248
Yep. They basically admitted that they stole everything from the German show. But then again: nobody who has ever layed his eyes on "Unglaubliche Geschichten" would ever believe that the similarities are purely accidental.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/25 14:02:19 No.1498345
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Where the fuck is Nicholas Meyer if you need him?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/26 09:19:40 No.1498504
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>>1498345

He should come back. Has he ever worked on a tv show by the way? If not, he could still do some amazing work on the new Picard show.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/26 09:25:41 No.1498507
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Oh fuck. A second season for STD. Oh damn. And they try to rip off The Orville. Great.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/26 10:17:42 No.1498525
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Oh fuck no. More shitty Star Trek shows. Mark my words, gentlemen: the new Picard show is going to suck ass. We are going to look back fondly on Voyager and Enterprise after this shit.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/26 13:00:42 No.1498589
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Gentlemen, I think it is time to get the classic shows as long as you still can.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/27 08:46:28 No.1498918
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I do not want to crash the mood, but Star Trek sucks ass.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/27 13:23:52 No.1498961
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KHAAAAAAAAN
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Furrynomous 2018/09/27 14:54:31 No.1498985
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>>1498961

Ah, Kirk, my old friend. Do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It is very cold in space.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/29 15:07:42 No.1499681
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>>1496410

You are not alone. I fucking hate that goblin turd and his worthless shit movies.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/29 15:19:46 No.1499685
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>>1496410

>>1499681

His movies aren't just bad, they are literally unwatchable: several people had to leave the cinema when I was watching Star Trek 2009, because the fucking shaky cam made it impossible to see anything very well on the fucking screen and was terrible for people with epilepsy. I have never seen his "Star Wars" movie, but I do not plan to, given from what I have read and how awful all of his movies were ("Star Trek: Into Darkness" doesn't even qualify as genuine movie anymore, otherwise we should start giving Oscars to porn movies).
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 11:58:43 No.1501506
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TNG is seriously big here in Japan, but TOS is like unknown. Should I go back and take a look?
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 12:01:47 No.1501508
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>>1501506
Hell no. Only if you like shitty acting, retarded writing and really awful special effects. TNG is like the crown jewel of the whole franchise. No need to watch the other shit.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 12:17:23 No.1501510
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>>1501506

The bro from Kenya is right dude, the original series fucking blows.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/23 01:51:14 No.1508831
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>>1428365

You Sir, are brilliant!

Any Utopia would suck, because the moment humans had their every need met, they'd start trying to create chaos just for something to do, just for excitement and adventure. Struggle is a factor in the life of every animal. Evolution would have surely generated a longing for it, and a reward system based on it, on some level, no? The idle rich create their dramas and release their sex tapes and star in their reality TV shows because what else is there to do? Where else will they find the existential threat that makes them feel alive? The productive rich take on political causes or bury themselves in their work. What else do you do to not become Howard Hughes? The devil will find work for idle hands to do...

The guys from the federation are so bored by their supposed "utopia", that they have to go into space and stir up drama and conflicts with alien species.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/23 01:59:06 No.1508833
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>>1428365

>>1508831

You are both right. "Star Trek" - in my opinion - does not show an enlightened" or even a "peaceful" culture. It always is so cringeworthy when Trekkies say that "Star Trek" is a "utopia". Utopia for whom? Certainly not the races who get killed and slaughtered by the federation`s "tolerant" culture.

"Star Trek" in my opinion is the best when it focuses on space exploration and mysterious new worlds and sucks the worst whenever it preaches politics ("Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was unwatchable).
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Furrynomous 2018/10/23 02:07:09 No.1508835
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>>1508833

>"Star Trek" in my opinion is the best when it focuses on space exploration and mysterious new worlds and sucks the worst when it preaches politics ("Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" was unwatchable).

True. All the political stuff is just awful and highly inconsistent at best. They have episodes which range basically from pro-anarchy to pro-authoritarianism (I do not mean this in any hyperbolic sense. The UFP is clearly authoritarian and strangely militaristic in nature, especially for a supposedly "peaceful" interstellar federal republic). But remember kids, the Klingons are the bad guys!
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Furrynomous 2018/10/23 02:38:24 No.1508847
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>>1501506

It is bad, really, really bad. I am not quick into calling a tv show "bad", but this one truly is. Shitty acting, shitty fight scenes, shitty writing, shitty directing, and shitty everything else. Just plain terrible, and yet somehow it is touted as the most brilliantest thing ever. Seriously, it is as bad as everybody on here said. I cannot say this enough: stay away from this horrible abomination of a show! Be wise and enjoy TNG. It is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better!
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Furrynomous 2018/10/23 02:45:52 No.1508849
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>>1501506

>>1508847

I generally like old sci-fi, but this one sucks ass. Captain Kirk also sucks, he often has fist fights with little children which he loses! This is not a joke, the kids are neither super advanced alien mutants nor androids! Just to be clear, these are some of the "better" episodes! Yes, it is truly insane how terrible the show really is! I doubt that the people who think that Captain Kirk is cool have ever seen the show. They probably just watched the later movies.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/23 02:50:29 No.1508850
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>>1508849

>Captain Kirk also sucks, he often has fist fights with little children which he loses!

Yep. You have no idea how much I would love this sentence to be a joke, but it is not. Rod Serling once said of the series that "Star Trek was again a very inconsistent show which at times sparkled with true ingenuity and pure science fiction approaches. At other times it was more carnival-like, and very much more the creature of television than the creature of a legitimate literary form. I think that this sums it up perfectly.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/23 03:05:56 No.1508855
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>>1501506

>>1508847

>>1508850

I am sorry to say, but TOS and TAS are the two worst shows of the Star Trek universe.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/24 15:40:42 No.1509345
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Has anybody ever studied the weird appeal Star Trek seems to have toward sexual deviants? I am curious because it surfaced some years ago.
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Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab 2018/10/27 08:37:43 No.1510453
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I have written a German study which dealt with the problem of sexual predators in the Star Trek fandom. I assume that you refer to this?
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Furrynomous 2019/02/02 08:11:08 No.1546720
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I love TNG, but I always hated Wesley Crusher. I don`t what it is exactly, but Iv find that character insufferable.
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Furrynomous 2019/02/02 08:35:16 No.1546728
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>>1546720
>I love TNG, but I always hated Wesley Crusher. I don`t what it is exactly, but Iv find that character insufferable.
You`re not alone. He is even despised by Captain Picard in the show. Remember how he and Picard shared a shuttle (Picard had to undergo a heart surgery)? He withdraw to the back to the shuttle just to not talk to Wesley. Just check out the official LEGO set for TNG: yep, they do not like the character either.
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Furrynomous 2019/02/02 08:38:04 No.1546729
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>>1546728

Thanks for the LEGO photo! This is hilarious! All other characters are treated with high respect.

But why is the character so shitty? I fail to find words why this is. He sounds like a decent character on paper. Why is he so terrible in the show? What is it?
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Furrynomous 2019/02/02 08:49:18 No.1546730
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There has been a lot of debate around this:

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/120022/why-did-people-hate-wesley-crusher

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-wesley-crusher-biggest-plot-holes-make-no-sense/

Maybe it stems from the fact that the character is highly inconsistent and at times comes off as a know-it-all prick super genius, then as an unobedient officer as well as a whiny, childish wimp. All of these things are of course nonsensical. He basically is what the plot needs him to be. If he is supposed to be useless and whiny, he is. If he is supposed to be an upright and proud officer, he is as well. He is whatever the writers feel like. This causes the character to be almost schizophrenic. In one episode, he risks his life to save the Enterprise and in the next he is a jerk who whines the whole time and annoys everybody.

Let’s compare this to say Picard: Picard is always this enlightened French gentleman, no matter what. Yes, he sometimes comes off as bored or pissed, but his behavior is consistent with what we know about the character. Picard is Picard. Wouldn’t it be weird if Picard would be a heroic explorer in one episode and then a joking drunkard in the next? But I think that this is the way the writers treated Wesley Crusher. Maybe Gene Roddenberry`s ideas for the character were not very well thought out, that’s at least what Brannon Braga insisted. The writers got a list of character elements for Wesley, but no definitive character traits or attributes.
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Furrynomous 2019/02/02 08:53:39 No.1546732
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>>1546730

Your explanation does make sense. Wesley is inconsistent.

I have here the writers guide for all fans of TNG!

http://leethomson.myzen.co.uk/Star_Trek/2_The_Next_Generation/Star_Trek_-_The_Next_Generation_Bible.pdf

Please enjoy, fellow Trekkies/Trekkers!
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Furrynomous 2019/02/02 08:55:48 No.1546734
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This is awesome, thank you very much!
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Furrynomous 2019/02/02 08:56:49 No.1546735
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You are welcome!
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Furrynomous 2019/02/02 08:59:33 No.1546738
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They are going to do a new Picard show this year! Let us hope that it will be awesome! We will finally see our beloved Captain again!

Live long and prosper, my dear Trekkies!
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Furrynomous 2019/02/22 23:08:25 No.1555271
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There're a lot of funny moments in TNG 1 Picard pulls down his shirt many times & 2 when Riker sits he lifts his leg around the chair before sitting. Known fact everyone in the film The Pagemaster except for the mom & Macaulay Culkin are in Star Trek. The actors are Leonard Nimoy Christopher Lloyd Patrick Stewart Whoopi Goldberg Ed Begley Jr. who guest stared in Voyager 2 part ep Future's End and Frank Welker.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/12 22:47:29 No.1601486
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Watch near the end of the ep of TOS called Shore Leave, there's 2 women who have fur clothing, and their fur shorts look like a tail wrapped around their leg. Sulu's face looks funny which looks like he wants sex with furries. Does anyone think the TOS cgi Enterprise looks bad?
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Furrynomous 2019/06/29 09:10:39 No.1607574
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i would love to be excited about the new picard show, but i am afraid that kurtzman will fuck it up. reactions from test audiences were very negative apparently. man, remember when star trek was progressive and positive? now its just dark and depressive. std was freaking depressive.

while we are at it: did you watch orville? i am asking because i havent seen it but i am cautious, because i dont like macfarlanes type of humor. its not funny at all.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/29 11:04:18 No.1607597
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>>1555271

TNG is fucking amazing! I just recently started watching it again, and it really is a blast from the past! It is really, really great! If I would have to tell someone what tv shows he should watch, I would say Firefly, Game of Thrones (despite the lame ending) and Star Trek The Next Generation!

>>1601486

I am not sure if this is canonical, but there was a comic series in the 1980s where Sulu an M`Ress had a sexual relationship. So you are right on the money!

>>1607574

I have seen a couple of episodes and it is alright. I don`t like MacFarlane`s humor, but other than that I have nothing to complain. The second season (which I have not seen, so I cannot comment) is apparently much better. Well, in every case it is better than STD, which bores the crap out of me.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/29 11:11:04 No.1607598
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>>1607574

I would love to be excited about a new Picard series, because I am probably one of the biggest Picard fan ever. What really, really urks me however, is the fact that Kurtzman is involved. I really disliked his two "Fast and Furious" like Star Trek movies. I am also not fond of having a Picard show where they are probably going to kill Captain Picard. I also do not like the idea that Picard would ever leave the starfleet. He is a man of honor and a true explorer, would he really leave all of this behind to make wine? It just sounds so out of character for him. Yes, he resepcted the family yard, but does that mean that he would throw everything simply away?

Anyway, let me say that I wish you all the best and I am very happy that we have some fellow Trekkies or Trekker on here.

Live long and prosper, my friends!
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Furrynomous 2019/07/09 23:09:28 No.1611909
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Star Trek Fact: Clint Howard who played Balok was 8 years old in the ep The Corbomite Maneuver. Funny Fact: On Google images for Clint Howard there's a pic of him which he looks like Mr. Snoops from a live action of The Rescuers but without the glasses.
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Furrynomous 2019/08/12 17:30:19 No.1630545
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How does U18 feel about Picard and his dog?

I'm kinda hype for it.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/16 22:46:28 No.1645922
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In the ep I Mudd the actors didn't realize Bones is singing when he said It's worked so far but we're not out yet. which is the 1st lyrics in the song What's On Your Mind Pure Energy by Infomation Society.
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Furrynomous 2021/11/21 16:32:37 No.2042305
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