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A Bets a Bet Anonymous 2020/02/09 14:17:40 No.1711627   
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By Elicitie
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Furrynomous 2020/02/10 06:36:59 No.1711852
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Anything else?
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Anonymous 2020/02/10 06:54:54 No.1711855
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>>1711852
Think the rest of it's on their patreon, gonna be released over the next couple of days
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Anonymous 2020/02/10 15:48:17 No.1712016
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A Bets a Bet Anonymous 2020/02/11 19:27:18 No.1712576
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Next page was released
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Anonymous 2020/02/14 17:12:25 No.1713678
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there you go
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Anonymous 2020/02/14 17:12:35 No.1713680
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Anonymous 2020/02/14 17:12:39 No.1713681
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A Bets a Bet Anonymous 2020/02/15 12:08:40 No.1713942
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https://twitter.com/ThatEllieBoi/status/1228741092209840128?s=20

Think dude noticed lol
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Anonymous 2020/02/15 18:30:15 No.1714044
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eh? Oh, well least I don't feel bad. I supported him to see this comic temporarily before this was even posted on u18. guy does good work. Not surprising he saw this lol most artists on patreon know about u18 im sure
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Furrynomous 2020/02/19 08:18:57 No.1715435
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Now I feel bad...
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Anonymous 2020/02/21 13:01:34 No.1716122
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>>1715435

Don't be. I mean, come on. You willingly came to a piracy site to jerk it to some exclusive comics that someone else paid for. Doesn't really matter if the artist publicly complained or not. What's done is done.
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Anonymous 2020/02/21 14:16:31 No.1716134
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>>1715435
This submarine is unsinkable
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"Traitor" 2020/02/21 21:23:08 No.1716281
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>>1716122
Eh, I mean, I leak stuff mainly because I disagree with the artist on how they should distribute their work. This artist is pretty reasonable, patrons get a few days early access, then it gets released to the public. I don't really see a reason to even pirate the content at that point.
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Anonymous 2020/02/22 17:13:06 No.1716523
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>>1716281
Piracy doesn't harm creators nearly as much as they'd like to believe, because those who pirate were never going to be paying customers in the first place.

Biggest counter to piracy? Make your content worth paying for, and make it yourself worth supporting.
That's why (despite frequently visiting this site) I'm still a patron of FluffKevlar. He makes good shit, and he even visits this site now and then and talks with us here.
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Anonymous 2020/02/23 07:50:17 No.1716724
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>>1716523
That's the point I always make as well, in addition to the "preview" theory when it applies to movies such as DC animated movies. I've watched a few on "pirate" sites and if I liked them, I went out and bought a physical copy in a store (as often these movies get released in other countries before the USA so you can actually watch them before you can buy them) to support them. I watched Batman:Killing joke online a few hours before going to the one time only showing Regal Theaters did (which had exclusive interviews with cast) and then bought the DVD the following day when it was released. There's been a few movies like that I got the DVD without previewing and was disappointed and others I'd watched online and not bought because they weren't worth buying.

But back to your point, there's a good number of comics that have been posted on here that I never would have paid for (several I've actually hit Hide Thread on) so the artists have lost nothing from me personally for having them posted here as the only reason I know the comic even exists is BECAUSE it was on here.

If you truly enjoy some thing, support those who created it even if your just watching their accounts and occasionally commenting on their posts.
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Anonymous 2020/02/23 11:55:25 No.1716825
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I've found that to be the general notion that pirating actually helps a creator somewhat and means they're worth the effort to pirate. Though this guy seems more concerned that by pirating his stuff your cheapening the value of what his patrons are getting. Cutting in line so to speak and then saying "welp, make something better and I might get in line next time"
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Anonymous 2020/02/23 13:05:27 No.1716840
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I don't know where the problem is.
Actually I didn't even know there was such an artist until this got leaked.
Now I am a patron...
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Anonymous 2020/02/23 13:18:30 No.1716845
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Just artists being whinny bitches as always
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Anonymous 2020/02/24 04:23:04 No.1717030
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>Just artists being whinny bitches as always

And wouldnt you? They live of that how about if you where a baker but every day a bunch of losers come and take your bread wihout paying? Dont be so stupid bro im in this page because obviusly i cant pay every patreon. But youre just throwing shit from the mouth. dont you have any other place to be a stupid? Yikes bro...
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Anonymous 2020/02/24 11:59:10 No.1717171
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>>1717030

I actually am an artist. And no, I won't say which one, because believe it or not artists who bash on piracy are more asinine and toxic with people not agreeing with them than pirates will ever be.

And that's especially true if you give them a reality check like this; if you can't make money it's generally because your work isn't good enough or doesn't reach the right audiences, most of the time piracy will be sought by people who already didn't plan on supporting you in any way, all in all a lot of artists channel their lack of skill into a victim mentality which has them blame piracy for all their problems, because it's obviously easier to remove all responsability from your shoulders and play the scapegoat game.
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Anonymous 2020/02/24 18:14:04 No.1717273
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>>1717171
I wouldn't say its that extreme. Sure there are artists that act like that, but I'd say generally most complaints concerning piracy is that it feels crummy to make something and make money with it only for someone to take it and give it away for free. Then if an artist complains they're declared greedy and that "art is meant to be shared with everyone."

And there are grey areas all around with the fact that pirates dont directly affect artists income as they would never have paid anyway and can even serve as advertising to people that would be willing to pay, as well as the notion that yes art is subjective and should be shared but when the person making it need to eat too can you really blame the artist for putting up a paywall?

As you get into larger artists that make tons of money through their commissions and patreons the argument wavers only to be balanced by the lack of knowing what their financial situation is. Its all a back and forth without a clearcut answer.

IMO I think piracy is something that needs to be uniquely handled by a creator. Its going to happen regardless and the people that take advantage, well ofc they would its free? Why wouldnt you enjoy the content. The creator however must also address the piracy and be opposed to it out of respect to their patrons and followers that pay for their content, even if said creator accepts piracy for what it is: An inevitability that cannot be hindered but can be taken advantage of. Par exampl, these:

>>1711855
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Were all me, who is the creator of the content above. I actually started the thread and leaked some of the content myself. I've been doing some looking into how piracy should be handeled and I've gained quite a bit of insight. So thank yall for participating in my mini survey and I'm glad you enoyed the comic ^^
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Anonymous 2020/02/25 00:23:41 No.1717428
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>>1717273
Nice trick, and great comic. To be honest seeing it is making me really wanna commission you.
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Anonymous 2020/02/25 04:09:33 No.1717488
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>>1717030
You're stealing the bread, not pirating it. Taking something before it could be sold is theft. Bad analogy.

Here's a better baked goods/piracy analogy:
Piracy is like walking into a bakery 10 minutes before it closes, asking if they're tossing anything out before they close, and politely asking if you could take it off their hands. Those loads weren't going to make them money anyways.

I do this all the time at Dunkin Donuts. I'll buy a half dozen, ask the gal at the counter if anything else on the shelf is going to be tossed, and she'll give me a dozen for free.

Better bakery/piracy example?
I once asked nicely if I could have a small tub of sourdough starter from the counter. 6 months later, I'm still using that yeast culture to make bread similar to their's. The bakery didn't lose money, so they don't care.
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Anonymous 2020/02/25 19:31:15 No.1717790
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>>1717273
I was going to comment a while back that I thought your articulated thoughts in your tweets were actually all good points - you're putting your consumers first, suggesting that it's more important that the individuals who actually pay for your content should not have to jump through hoops to get it (a-la DRM, where the consumer gets the worst deal) while also acknowledging that the piracy/leaking is inevitable - but not punishing the vast majority of your consumer-base that don't practise it. I appreciate that, and I know many others would too.

It's totally reasonable to ask your patreons to not leak, but ultimately, the number of patrons you get will be entirely controlled by the number of individuals who like your art, and you as an artist - and that requires that the art, whether leaked or not, is spread to a much wider audience.

On a different note, the art is very nice!

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