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Wulfy 2016/08/01 12:52:30 No.1120456
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That face when you see this and hope it's getting an update but your mind is like "lol, nope."
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Yeah, at this point you'd be hard pressed in waiting for Coyete River #4 since the site was last updated about the third one "coming out soon!" and it has since been released.

6/1/07 Coyote River #3 Available Soon!
The cover(s) are colored, the curly quotes are all made consistent, and everything's all shipshape to ship. Well, except that it's still "Coming Soon" to Rabbit Valley's online store, along with the rest of the Spooo Presents new additions. Keep an eye out for general availability within the next few weeks!

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Furrynomous 2016/08/01 17:34:14 No.1120574
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Chris McKinley has virtually vanished from the fandom, so yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath.

And lol I hadn't realised the last update about coyote river was in '07
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Furrynomous 2016/08/01 18:41:23 No.1120594
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>2007
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Wulfy 2016/08/01 20:20:19 No.1120673
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Actually, the last update talks about the site he based Coyote Ranch on from his childhood. While most of it deals with the site from google earth, the last paragraph says:

"...Oh yeah: Issue 4 is coming. I'm still laying out the pages and finalizing the plot points, but I intend to start pencilling pages within a week or so."

Also note, he's popped on Furaffinity 7 months ago posting a commission. He's not disappeared, but his main site is, and the reason for delay (or cancellation) of Coyote River 4 is unexplained.

It sucks. :/
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Furrynomous 2016/08/01 20:43:39 No.1120679
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Someone should kill him for that. What an irresponsible fuck.
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Yeah, he talked about it. Nearly a decade ago. What has he been doing all that time, battling cancer?
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Wulfy 2016/08/01 21:53:46 No.1120697
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Well, this is an interesting question.

On one hand, he posted a commission 7 months ago. On the other, his information is super out of date, and this message is... creepy.

http://arclight.net/

His email and commission page was associated with that, but the webpage's information is almost something you'd see on the deep web, haha.

On a less good note, there is a recently deceased Chris McKinley, but since he was born in '88 he'd be younger than me, which means he COULDN'T be active during ASB's run. It's also possible that it isn't his real name, so that's most likely a dead end.

Coyote River still being hosted means that he's paying for the site (or someone is), and since Rabbit Valley is still operational, maybe the best bet for those interested is to try and pursue him through there.

The worst part about older artists or people on the fringe of the furry community is their lack of appreciation for how good patreon can be for creators. I dunno about the rest of us, but I think Chris was good enough and well liked enough for his classic stuff that if he were to do a patreon, he'd get pretty solid backing.

Recently Driprat started doing it, and though's he's kind of niche, (violent, story-driven, but I like'em), he's gotten a modest 350 a month.
https://www.patreon.com/user?u=376709 (for those interest, plus citation)

Someone more mainstream, gay, and well known like Chris could easily rake in a more respectable spread, and it'd be nice to get more work from him.

While I dislike using patreon as a paywall, having it pay for the artists to keep creating has always been a great idea in my opinion (look at the fabulous Tracy Butler for an excellent example), so it'd be nice to get more artists who deserve it on it.

And since I super missed the mark, I cannot find any information on Chris. He could be dead, but sometimes people disappear. Just sucks to lose such a longtime member of the fandom, especially one so well respected.
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Michael Saunders 2016/08/02 01:14:58 No.1120929
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On one hand, he posted a commission 7 months ago. On the other, his information is super out of date, and this message is... creepy.

http://arclight.net/

His email and commission page was associated with that, but the webpage's information is almost something you'd see on the deep web, haha.

That site is sketchy for sure, and it seems really weird.

On a less good note, there is a recently deceased Chris McKinley, but since he was born in '88 he'd be younger than me, which means he COULDN'T be active during ASB's run. It's also possible that it isn't his real name, so that's most likely a dead end.

Indeed, I would place Chris McKinley around his 40s-50s, a lot of artists like him are around that age.

Coyote River still being hosted means that he's paying for the site (or someone is), and since Rabbit Valley is still operational, maybe the best bet for those interested is to try and pursue him through there.

I doubt Chris is dead, maybe just in hiding. So either he is paying for the site, or Rabbit Valley owns it now.

The worst part about older artists or people on the fringe of the furry community is their lack of appreciation for how good Patreon can be for creators. I dunno about the rest of us, but I think Chris was good enough and well liked enough for his classic stuff that if he were to do a Patreon, he'd get pretty solid backing.

Just like the creators on Circles went dark for a while and only came back recently. I also believe Chris would make it good on Patreon. But it can also be a stressful thing to manage.

Recently Driprat started doing it, and though's he's kind of niche, (violent, story-driven, but I like'em), he's gotten a modest 350 a month.
https://www.patreon.com/user?u=376709 (for those interest, plus citation)

I'll have to give Driprat a look. I've never heard of Driprat.

Someone more mainstream, gay, and well known like Chris could easily rake in a more respectable spread, and it'd be nice to get more work from him.

And once again, I agree. ^This.

While I dislike using Patreon as a paywall, having it pay for the artists to keep creating has always been a great idea in my opinion (look at the fabulous Tracy Butler for an excellent example), so it'd be nice to get more artists who deserve it on it.

I too agree on this, though too many artists in the fandom have taken advantage of Patreon, both good and bad.

And since I super missed the mark, I cannot find any information on Chris. He could be dead, but sometimes people disappear. Just sucks to lose such a longtime member of the fandom, especially one so well respected.

I know, I loved his comics, even if I did experience them while in high school. I am hoping he isn't dead/
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Furrynomous 2016/08/02 05:43:14 No.1121144
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Chris McKinley HAS to be in at the very least his forties.

I mean the first issue of ASB came out in 1998. So he had to be working on it since 1996-97. And I ASSUME he was already in his twenties at that point as this is the median age of furry fans.

1996 was 20 years ago so yeah, he's either in his mid forties or early fifties
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Wulfy 2016/08/02 11:09:16 No.1121467
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It's so hard to imagine that I'll be in my fourties 20 years from now. :/ It's strange that reading ASB the first time a few years ago, I still felt like the authors were close to my age. Life's weird, lol.
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drac 2016/08/02 11:25:08 No.1121473
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Lots of time has gone... I enjoyed a lot this comic, to the point I went to a dude ranch in USA for a wonderful horseback vacation (I live in Europe). I remember that mr Chris McKinley didn't complete the story because insufficient sales. Sad, but it's life.
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Michael Saunders 2016/08/02 14:09:30 No.1121660
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And I'll be 40 in 5 years less than that. How time flies, huh?
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Wulfy 2016/08/02 17:20:50 No.1121757
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Chris McKinley 2016/08/02 20:46:43 No.1121856
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Hey guys, I'm not dead.

I really appreciate hearing that you all liked CR, what there was of it. I'm really sorry for abandoning it.

Frankly I just wasn't good enough at writing at the time (I'm still not); I don't know where I was going with the story, I didn't have an ending planned (even though issue 4 was supposed to be the final issue), and I just sort of thought you could make it up as you went along. It's not that easy; I don't know how people do it.

So I pulled the plug simply because I didn't know how the story ended, and I didn't know how to find out. I know that's an unsatisfying answer, but it's the best one I can give.

I still want to learn how to write someday. CR was my attempt to learn through immersion, and it didn't work out. But I'm only 40 (heh), and there's plenty of time, allegedly.

Thanks for not making this thread a thing for me to cringe upon reading. :)
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Wulfy 2016/08/02 23:18:41 No.1122015
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Let's be honest, the odds of you being Chris are nearly zero. But, for the sake of saying that you are, CR has two pretty logical conclusions, both of which are satisfying and one of which takes literary talent to pull off in a satisfying way.

The bunny either decides to stay, and ends up working the ranch with him, perhaps bringing it into the modern day technology wise, which allows them to stay open and be more profitable via efficiency.

Alternate, more difficult ending; bittersweet. Rabbit doesn't stay but chooses to learn to grow from his experience as does Buck. They live for themselves and maybe they end up together later or not. In either case, the point is that both people are being revealed to have essentially cease growing in some fashion or another.

Tenderfoot, as I legitimately can't recall his name, hasn't been able to find love and just gets passed around in hopes of just randomly finding a guy who likes him for longer than a night.

Buck has done the same, but he realized that his life isn't worth living unless he has someone to live for. He's fucked random guys, helped a dude cheat on his wife, and done all these things to be sated, but he wasn't happy.

In this ending, it's harder to sell that both are happier, but they are both better for the experience. And maybe like a bad country song, they get together in the end.

The first version could have Buck come back to the city and the fears are not realized and things turn out well, perhaps with some other idea on how he might make his living.

Really, it's got possibilities for endings and you did a good job on setting up what they should be, but if that's actually you and that's really the problem, I think you could figure it out.

Finally, let's suppose that I guessed (I probably didn't) the ending to the story as you intended based off the conflicts you raised and the hints you've given from the story; there is no reason to change what you planned on doing. GRR Martin struggled with this when he realized that some non-specified fan theory correctly laid out the ending to ASOIF, which was heavily based on hints he dropped throughout the books. He correctly concluded he couldn't change the ending just to keep up his motif of surprises and rejecting the fantasy tropes because the story would be worse for it. Yes, some details can be altered and life doesn't have a three act structure, but the story cannot reject its own foreshadowing as even life parallels this in our minds.

So, what the hell am I talking about? When you get an idea to conclude it, go for it. I'm sure you'll find plenty of support, and whatever ending you decide works best for what you want the story to mean, I'm sure it will be fine. The story so far is engaging enough that I checked out CR at least once a year to see if an update ever came along. So, don't say you can't write. There's enough there for many people. At the very least, if you are Chris, we're very happy that you're still doing fine, and we support your endeavors in the fandom and without.

(Even though I literally speak for myself, I hope others agree.)
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while i agree that the story of the rabbit and the wolf was interesting,
the side-stories are pretty cringe-worthy (surprise! everybody is gay!)
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Wulfy 2016/08/03 11:14:12 No.1122468
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I think of the bear as being possibly gay and the college dude to just be confused. The only time he lost erection is when he wasn't sure of himself, and that's pretty normal for the age group. The girl just didn't like gay bashers, neither did the owner.

So really, 3 of them are gay (even though they had the hilarious gay bus passing through), so I really don't think it's a surprise everyone's gay.
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Guys, I'm guessing that really is Chris McKinley. 1st - Who would pretend to be him? 2nd - He entered his email. ...Also, that means that he's really a regular on this board, because what are the odds that he'd arrive here just after the board crashed? :D

About Coyote River - It was fun while it lasted, but I don't personally care to see an ending. If an ending is ever to be made, I think the rabbit should go back to the city, but be changed - tougher, more in tune with nature. Some scenes with his coworkers would be funny. I mean, pretty obviously, he doesn't belong out on the ranch, or with the older guy. And the older guy doesn't belong in the city. I think it was natural from the start that they don't end up together, but they both learn from the experience, and look forward to occasional "vacations" in the future :)

I agree that the side stories were not that interesting, and I don't know what the resolution should be for them. Though, I'm damn glad we got some straight sex, and didn't have all the fags whining about it. (Boo hoo, as if your sensitive eyes can't handle it!)

Yeah, I think the "make it up as you go" idea is not a good way to make a story. I think it's obvious you were just adding drama just for the sake of drama. As silly as simple porn comics might seem, every story should have some kind of purpose, known to (or "felt" by) the author from the beginning. "My mate" on here is great in this way. "Golden Week", on the other hand, has gone wildly off course, lol. I think Coyote River had a great purpose - interplay between two cultures, two lifestyles - but maybe it needed to finish up a bit sooner. Or at least, stick to this central idea. Instead, we got too much debate over the gay issue - same stuff, only in a Western setting. I suppose every story needs an "antagonist", but in this story, it would have been sufficient that the main antagonist (or problem) is the fact that the two cannot stay together.

I think Chris's best work was ASB (not that I've seen all of it), because it was obviously the most personal and heartfelt - addressed central issues of gayness. I was surprised that it received negative comments on here! ...Plus, I just love Daniel. :D

Chris, you're a great artist, and you should just draw whatever you want! (And yeah, try opening a Patreon!)
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late 2016/08/03 11:56:29 No.1122639
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uh, ASB wasn't written by Chris.
and i'd say Coyote River has better art than ASB.
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drac 2016/08/03 14:36:04 No.1122946
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Was on FA or a forum, can't remember. McKinley wrote many things (can't remember) and that he was busy on better projects, and very sad for the poor reception of his work, the first important after ASB.
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Chris McKinley 2016/08/03 20:08:35 No.1123279
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Thanks again for the comments.

I'll post a thing on my FA page if it's important I authenticate.

Someone sent me the link to this thread, and hey, it's hard not to reply.

It's certainly true that I've been taking a bit of a break from the fandom for the last few years, and there's a lot going on in my life. It's a lame thing to say, and I hate it as much as you all do to hear someone say "eh I'm too busy", but I really don't think I could have stuck with the comics thing this whole time. My heart just wasn't in it. And it really wasn't ever since I had to change the title (it was originally supposed to be "Coyote Ridge", but turns out that name's too damn common among restaurants and people selling t-shirts and so on. I hate the name "Coyote River", it's stupid as hell), not to mention ever since I was so pleased with myself for having come up with a premise all on my own that was original and unique and shit--dude ranch! Gay cowboys eating pudding!--and then fucking Brokeback Mountain came out just as I was finishing up issue 1, so it looked like I was just ripping that off. (And then I realized that I had subconsciously based the premise off a short story I had read in a creative writing class in college a few years earlier, and I looked it up and son of a bitch, it was BBM.)

Anyway, as it turns out I actually have the first 13 pages or so of issue #4 penciled. Maybe I should stick them on FA or something. It's not like I'm going to be able to finish it, let alone sell it.

But meanwhile I've also done a few other little exercises and teasers for potential future series, trying to think of a premise that actually has legs and believable characters with real motivations and no early-2000s gayness drama and where I can think of an actual ending to work towards sometime before I'm halfway through the final issue. I should probably post those too.

I've also spent the intervening time studying as much fiction writing as I can, watching well-regarded TV series, reading books that people recommend--hell I even read the fucking Wheel of Time earlier this year, god help me, because someone said it was the gold standard of character development. (I've also been learning to recognize what not to do.)

I really want to learn how to do this properly. I just can't stand this art form being so elusive, when the consequences of failure are so public.

Thanks again.

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Furrynomous 2016/08/04 04:32:03 No.1123965
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Thanks for responding dude, I appreciate it.

I think a lot of people would love to see the remaining pages, if it's not an issue for you.
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Wulfy 2016/08/04 11:53:16 No.1124449
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People would certainly love to see something toward a resolution, even if you never plan on full completing it. And while it sucks to hear you be sorta down on yourself, it's really nice to know it's in the effort to motivated yourself to be a better story-teller.

I never liked BBM btw...

Anyway, as I noted before, you'll have pretty great support for whatever you do here, and if you are trying to be more public, god speed, and good luck. :D
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Furry Tou tong Moua 2016/11/03 16:47:23 No.1171968
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If the author can just end the story when the two will meet again that will be great but it will be difficult to explain how will school go for bunny man and It will be hard how will coyote man will meet with bunny man again and sorry if I didn't include the names.
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... Freaky Lynx 2016/11/03 18:38:31 No.1172008
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Awesome you're still thinking about it. For years I've been asking the folks at Rabbit Valley about two comics finishing: Circles and Coyote River. Hey, if they can complete Circles so many years after the previous issue, I wouldn't give up on CR. People would love a resolution, even if it's just the vacation ends and both characters go back to status quo... maybe just a little wiser after their time together. I tell you personally I'd prefer that over the story just staying in limbo.

Really would love to see more of your stuff in the fandom, you make it a richer place.
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Furry Tou tong Moua 2016/11/04 19:49:16 No.1172366
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I'll think about the story.
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Love is the answer Furronimous8 2018/07/19 02:58:19 No.1468671
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It's been years since I read the first Coyote River 1, and I'm glad this forums exists to preserve good stories.

I would love to see an ending, a happy-ending cliche but with a twist. I think longears has a lot of fears in himself, it would be awesome if Buck teaches him courage and self-comfidence and some self steem to stop being a one-night meal. Buck can become the support that bunny boy needs so desperatedly and learn what loving someone else really means. No matter the place city or ranch or both, the important thing is stay together. They can sort out what it comes. Buck is so in love that he probably will do anything in the name of love and would be awesome that the story ends with Buck saying something like "I'll ride by your side till my last sunset"

The add more drama ending of BBM, the movie ending is more "realistic and accurate given the enviroment and the time it happens" probably BBM reflects the old thinking, but Nowadays the world is different, the people is more open and the enviroment of Coyote River shows acceptance. They repeat "it's nobody else bussiness what you do" so it's like "be who you are and do what makes you happy" and under this world has a meaning that there's a chance for they stay together and find the happiness. Life is an adventure that we all know how it will end, but that doesn't stop us to enhoy every second of it!
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drac 2018/07/19 14:00:55 No.1468820
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I got the comix from Rabbit Valley many years ago. I too wish to know how the story was planned to end. Hope that Chris would write it for us... :)
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Furrynomous 2020/01/15 15:41:29 No.1700511
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Maybe the people who bought the comic some time could scan it better and upload it

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