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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2016/12/03 18:52:57 No.1185665   
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A comic that I made a little while back ago as my first post on e621.

What do you think?
Would you say I have a solid style going or is there somewhere I Really need to work on? etc.
any and all points will be greatly appreciated n_n

The e621 post =)
https://e621.net/pool/show/10208
Edited at 2016/12/03 18:59:53
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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2016/12/03 18:53:36 No.1185666
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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2016/12/03 18:53:56 No.1185667
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Dribbler 2016/12/03 19:20:03 No.1185674
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What a tease
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Furrynomous 2016/12/03 19:35:04 No.1185676
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I want to a see that bit buff woof to take it up the ass
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Notkastar 2016/12/03 20:44:11 No.1185694
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>>1185676
Heh, Noted.

Edited at 2016/12/03 21:13:19
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Furrynomous 2016/12/03 21:06:15 No.1185696
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what is up with the choice of rainbow?
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Notkastar 2016/12/03 21:32:17 No.1185700
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>>1185696
Good question dude =)

It has a lot to do with there origin and the backstory I gave them.

Summed up:
Max and Zatch aren't humans or a real anthro in Zatch's case. They're 'Doodles.' (The name I gave their poticular spesice)

It'd take more then a while to explain just what being a 'Doodle' in-tells but one things is consent between all 'Doodles'.

Whither it be their skin, hair or even blood; They can be (and in most cases are) iridescent and flow outwards like a rainbow river. =)

as for the phone, that's just the refection off Zatch's ears n_n

Edited at 2016/12/03 23:58:58
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Flash 2016/12/04 05:06:12 No.1185820
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Oddly cute.

I look forward to see more :D
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Notkastar 2016/12/05 06:13:00 No.1186340
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>>1185820
Glad to hear that =)
Thought, it will be a while before you
see the next page so please sit tight
till then. n_n
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Furrynomous 2016/12/05 16:44:12 No.1186584
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I find nothing inherently wrong with this. But buck up I know someone is gonna go out of their way to talk shit but I bet you already knew that. Got a good base for your art. As long as you steer from any heinous fetishes while you get better people won't mind you
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Necronyamicon 2016/12/06 00:13:19 No.1186713
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>>1185700
Makes sense, even more sense with Mako's flailing of the limbs to tie up any lose end confusion.
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Furrynomous 2016/12/06 00:21:25 No.1186715
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It looks like you are off to a good start :) But imo it would be a good first step to tone down with all the rainbow gradient things. It seems a bit much.
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Notkastar 2016/12/06 00:35:53 No.1186720
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>>1186584
Well- You see- About that 'fetish' part haha
n_n;

I'm currently in the mix of making this surprise present for an artist I really admire. And while I was prepping before I got started on it (Gathering refs, Seeing what he liked to know what direction to go theme wise. etc.) I found out that he has a thing for dudes in diapers. So I thought
"Why not take a step out of my comfort zone with my art and try something I otherwise never would have." leading me to where I am now.

On the plus side i'm learning a whole bunch of new things outside of how to draw those puffy things. I did realize at my current art levels this could come with a fair amount of backlash but, It's still totally worth it in my opinion. =)

The way I see it:
"I get to make some fan-art that would possibly get one of my senpais to notice me and I get to learn new stuff while I'm at it." which would be a double 'V' in my book any-day n_n


Also Yup about the not so constructive criticism =T
Honestly I wasn't expecting people to actually give me this much support when I posted here. (which i'm really grateful for n_n) Since the comics here are usually on masterful levels of good but, looks like I'm just good enough to get into the salty spitoon too. =)

Edited at 2016/12/06 00:39:48
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Notkastar 2016/12/06 00:44:53 No.1186721
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>>1186715
I can see your point there. Though I really want to keep that gradient effect; Toning the colors down could go a long way. Since I want to keep the focus on the characters reactions as well as the characters themselves.
Not just one or the other lolz n_n
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Furrynomous 2016/12/07 10:00:48 No.1187753
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Definitely cute, but not sexy. Thanks for posting.
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Dribbler 2016/12/07 13:32:25 No.1187850
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>>1187753
I actually find the furry guy quite sexy (He could use less... rainbow, to be honest), but maybe I'm just a hornball who can fap to literally anything.
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Furrynomous 2016/12/07 14:02:12 No.1187857
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Well, everyone's commented positive stuff - which I agree with - so I'm gonna focus on the negative stuff. Overall this isn't bad, obviously, but I think there are several things you could use to improve your work.

So, problems I have with this comic:

1-Panel & bubbles layout. Be careful with that stuff, you're mostly doing good but there are a few confusing ones. For example, the second panel of page 1 makes it look like the wolf is speaking first and the, uh, human-like dude second, even though it is the other way around.

Now, normally you would indeed have things go left -> right in term of order of dialogue, but in this particular case the eyes are more drawn to reading top to bottom - especially since we just finished reading the "Hey Max, how's it going?" bubble from the previous panel, the reader's eyes naturally go to the closest bubble.

So try to think a bit about how a potential reader's eyes might scan your comic. Ideally, there should be a nice flow between reading the dialog & looking at the art, without needing to do big "jumps" between parts of a panel to follow the narrative.

2- The story is a bit confusing in the first page. What exactly is happening in the fourth panel. Does he shut down his computer? Did he get done posting whatever he was posting? You get from the next page what he's running after him for, but it's not very clear at first, which doesn't give the comic a great start.

Not to mention, the character is saying "Zatch", but it's the first mention of the wolf's name at that point, so we don't know what the fuck "zatch" is, on first read. I thought it was just some kind of "bazinga" expression at first, honestly.

3- This is a more subjective criticism, but it's still something that you see a lot of artists do and it *never* works : avoid rainbow-colored body parts. Seriously. Even if there is an in-universe reason for it, it's just something that always looks off and has been so overused by the furry fandom in general that audience reaction will range from "bleh" to "we get it, gay furries".

Not to mention that in the particular case of this wolf's design, the placement of the rainbow doesn't really make much sense or look all that good. The insidde of the ears just looks silly, and the inside of the mouth makes it look like some kind of disease.

Unnatural colours, in general, are something you should be very mindful about, as it's a very easy "trap" to fall into. Most of the time it doesn't add much to character design, sometimes it ruins it. In your case it doesn't "ruin" it, but it just feels like an unnecessary, odd details that adds nothing.

I'm not saying to get rid of that, uh, "doodles" thing - that can definitely be made to work well - but I think there are better ways to visually signify it than rainbows - which are pretty gawdy.

4- For the art itself, eh, you're a beginner, there's not much I can say other than "practice". You seem to have some sort of general style, so that's goo, and your lineart is okay. Just using gradient tools for backgrounds *kinda* works for now with your simplistic style, but as your drawings will improve you will very quickly find yourself needing to use more complex colouring techniques, to make the whole thing visually consistent.

As a general rule, I'd say try to work some on anatomy. Do gesture drawing, learn anatomy rules, learn perspective. Oh, and don't hesitate to look at photographs for reference (as long as you NEVER trace). For example, the third panel of your first page, Max's leg is positioned kinda behind (from his point of view) his torso and his arm, which is kind of a glaring mistake. You don't need to copy reference pictures, just google "person sitting on computer from back", or kinda look at yourself in the mirror in the position you're trying to draw so you can spot things like "oh yeah, from that angle this leg will be in front of this arm".

Applying art knowledge like perspective & gesture drawing to your art can be a bit difficult at first, especially since it can be hard to concile between realistic and cartoony, so I'd say try to look for cartoonists whose work you like and/or seem to be similar to what you'd want to be drawing in, say, ten years, and try to understand how they do it.

Oh, and as with every beginner artist : try to think more in three dimensions. Look at tutorials on Youtube about that, how to "build" characters from 3D shapes when drawing. And definitely try to learn skills even if you don't plan on using them - even cartoony art styles require knowledge of perspective or an ability to not always do symbol drawing.


So yeah. Basically, this is actually rather good for a first comic, keep up the good work, but never be too satisfied with what you can do, always strive to learn more.
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Flash 2016/12/07 14:59:24 No.1187873
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>>1187857


cool - even though you completely focus on negatives this is some pretty decent and positive feedback for the artist probably.

Look at some of the first works of now "famous" artists - or the current ones of infamous ones like Aaron :D

With all the feedback and improvement this _could_ actually turn into something important.


So please don't give it up^^

I'm really interested to see at which style and themes Notkastar is going to settle eventually.

I could imagine to gift a little Indy-Game on Steam or something to show a bit appreciation :D
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Notkastar 2016/12/08 00:39:10 No.1188075
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>>1187857
You need a medal dood, That's some pretty solid criticism there. Thanks man! Might reply to all these point later when I have more energy. ~ ~) (Burnt myself out pretty hard getting these done today)

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21935308/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21935325/

Edited at 2016/12/08 00:40:15
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Notkastar 2016/12/08 00:39:54 No.1188076
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The style I'm shooting for would be a smoothed out version of the Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt style. Heavy yet simple line-work that really defines the character. =)
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Notkastar 2016/12/08 00:43:43 No.1188077
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Also I'll see what I can do about the rainbows. =)
Tbh it had nothing to do with there sexual orientation.

I just thought it was really fitting given what they are. A bit more info on doodle are they are able to change the world around then and themselves (Power wise) at will and in their own dimension; to an infinite extent! (Explain the utterly crazy background situation lolz)
The Rainbow was symbolic, Since you could say while the regular person only has access to one color. They would have the use of the whole dang pallet =) (To a point)
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Furrylicious 2016/12/08 17:31:11 No.1188460
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>>1187857
Criticism that actually encourages growth of skill and talent and even gives tips on how to strive to be better, and its actually solid by picking out areas that can be improved???? BY THE FURRY GODS THEY STILL EXIST!!!!!! DAD GET THE CAMERA!!!!!

Edited at 2016/12/08 17:32:13
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Furrynomous 2016/12/08 18:41:40 No.1188473
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>>1188077
no dont remove rainbows. it adds some uniqueness to your art
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Furrynomous 2016/12/08 19:03:02 No.1188478
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>>1188473
There's a difference between "unique" and "bad design", however. Just dumping a gradient on something, rainbow or not, isn't the best idea.
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Flash 2016/12/09 14:14:13 No.1188713
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Isn't it just subjective taste?

Here they are pretty alright (even though they could be made prettier) - the artist even has a cheesy explanation for them and that makes more sense than every "generic husky guy has rainbow fur" ever :D

The mouths are weird indeed but I like the ear.

Especially if this comic (canon) will ever include non-doodle characters is becomes useful to determine the doodles (who always could disguise themselves just by wanting to if I got that correct?).

It doesn't even has something to do with being gay or not here.
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Flash 2016/12/12 23:48:50 No.1190061
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>>1188713
Your first sentence is a dangerous term to use in the art community, especially furries. There are a ton of people drawing furry art who deflect any criticism they get with "Well that's just my style", so I really don't think that your point is very helpful in the long run. Technically all art "is subjective", including the drawings made by five-year olds that are stuck to fridges by magnets. The rainbow effect, imo, is a bit off-putting.
The rest of the art style is very bolded and uses simple colors, so to see a gradient of all the colors put in there almost makes it look like it was PS'd there or something.
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Flash - the actual one 2016/12/13 03:46:53 No.1190120
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>>1190061

Photoshopped? Well these things are almost all the time made with a drawing tablet and some Adobe software. So it's not like you draw it, scan it and then shop the rainbows in ;-)

There are only few artists who actually hand draw these days.
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Furrynomous 2016/12/13 05:48:04 No.1190133
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>>1190120
Artist draw no matter the medium even digital, you don't just click a button and art appears draw so what you said made no sense. Also this comic is bad both artistically and story wise, it's just made to be spank material. The artist should practice more anatomy and panel composition.
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Furrynomous 2016/12/28 00:03:27 No.1196548
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>>1190120

What drugs are you on right now? Like the other person said, you're still technically drawing on an art tablet. You don't click a button and you magically get people. It's just that there is no traditional media being used, like pencil and paper. That's not even remotely how drawing on a tablet (or Photoshop, for that matter) works.
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Flash 2016/12/30 11:42:08 No.1197387
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You are "misunderstanding" it on purpose right?
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Furrynomous 2016/12/30 16:01:51 No.1197494
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Where does the name Zatch come from? It reminds me of Zatch Bell...
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Furrynomous 2016/12/31 18:26:33 No.1197987
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>>1190120
>Nobody hand draws anymore

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Notkastar 2017/08/28 04:59:46 No.1313111
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It's been a while, I got a bit better and I got more pages for this little saga!

Had to retcon a few ideas for the sake of keeping things simple. Now eyes are only detailed during serious moments and the way to tell a doodle apart from a regular peep is that doodles have some type of rainbow/color changing part of anatomy

I'm still looking for notes of how I'm doing so any and all feed back will be greatly appreciated!

Edited at 2017/08/28 10:00:50
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Notkastar 2017/08/28 05:02:23 No.1313113
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Furrynomous 2017/08/28 05:53:18 No.1313151
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>>1313113
>Putting Jasonafex and Seasalt on the pedestal as the role models.

Buddy, I can safely say that there are much better authors/artists that you can look up to than those two. May I suggest Meesh as a start?
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Notkastar 2018/05/19 23:54:39 No.1438227
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Notkastar 2018/05/19 23:55:21 No.1438229
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Edited at 2018/05/20 02:48:47
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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2018/07/02 22:01:58 No.1460841
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The saga continues ╹‿╹)
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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2018/07/02 22:02:38 No.1460843
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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2018/07/02 22:03:17 No.1460844
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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2018/07/02 22:04:09 No.1460849
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Furrynomous 2018/07/03 16:01:08 No.1461126
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What is this garbage and why is it here?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/04 11:06:40 No.1461483
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>>1461126
It's furry gay comic.
And it is here becase it's furry gay comic.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/04 11:12:25 No.1461486
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I feel embarrassed for the "artist".
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Furrynomous 2018/07/04 11:21:49 No.1461488
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The style is so mid-2000s, feels nostalgic.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/04 17:41:26 No.1461588
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>>1185665
Despite what everyone says with positive and negative this comic is pretty good it had me laughing off lol.

Still improvements can be made design wise as your going with your art style. Details can still be made to certain parts of your characters like their fur if needed, but I like your art style so for so go for it

Simple art has its taste and best qualities if done well so your halfway there already, so don't be afraid to try something new either.

U18chan can be picky, it can offer a lot of good criticism to help and you already take that very well unlike some artist, but there are also flat out dicks with comments being useless that contributes nothing like these fools. (They must be insecure about themselves)
I'm talking about you Anons
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>>1461486
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Furrynomous 2018/07/04 19:29:47 No.1461613
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>>1461588
You are so underage it hurts.
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Notkastar 2018/08/18 22:14:38 No.1482496
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Hooray for visual Updates! ◠‿╹)

Artist notes:
Really is crazy looking back on the previous doodles leading up to this one. Glad things are getting better!

As for notes on the particulars, I've done a bit of work on the tiger-Guy
(Still working on a name =‿=)

-Made his High difference to Zatch a lot more noticeable.

-Toned down his Blue Hair to something a bit more subdued

-And I Have him a Visible Mouth.

As for Zatch, there's not much to say since I
Already got his design down.

-Just on Planning on using his Color Changing
(mood) ear/part more ╹‿╹)
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Notkastar 2019/01/01 09:33:11 No.1533678
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c-dud 2019/01/05 07:38:17 No.1535175
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dis gud
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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2019/02/19 17:57:36 No.1553908
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Furrynomous 2019/02/20 17:28:27 No.1554373
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I see some improvement, keep it up.
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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2019/05/03 16:55:18 No.1584534
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'Your First Post' A Doodle Comic Notkastar 2019/07/18 11:41:03 No.1617657
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a VERY detailed Re-doodle & Revamping of Literally my most utilized main peep!
Wallace~! This is gonna be a great piece to look back on for reference for the dood!

Artist Note:
For peeps not in the know, Wallace was included in the "Dawn of the plot" storyline
as a foil to Zatch, Showing that he wasn't just a playboy and would rather do other
things he's interested than jumping right to "11" Also showing that Zatch is compatible
and incompatible with other peeps.
(He does a personality, Shocking I know = w =)

Though all good stories are built on a good back and forth and turns out a foil for
Zatch would be a pretty good character in their own right! Wallace shouldn't just
be a mirror to show the hidden traits of Zatch but be a character in his of his own!
I even gave him last name, Coners. Wallace Coners Has a pretty great ring to it~!

Not just that but I've fleshed out his story some more too, Sure I'm going to going
to have to keep 95% hidden for now so I don't spoil anything but, I feel like it's a
strong one that I'm just loving developing!


As far as doodle notes go:
I changed a LOT of things so here's quick lighting round!

- Hair Direction had been reversed, Valued and shined.

- Fur has been given a shine and with a more stable pattern some more Light furred areas.

- His body type is 'Lean' leaning more on the muscle side.

- Two earrings on his left ear

- Tail has been tuffed

- Will most likely stay barefoot with anklets since he strikes me as that kind guy!

Feel like these changed with having him stand out more as his own peep!
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Furrynomous 2020/08/10 22:25:08 No.1799327
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damn give me more!!!! i love this comic and your artstyle and your determination! and your passion this comic is a great comic in deguise. i think its a great comic. keep doing what your doing, i love what your doing. don't let anyone discourage you.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/11 20:41:00 No.1799748
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Its very unpleasing to see the lack of improvement over 4 years of digital art.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/12 05:59:06 No.1799964
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>>1799748
right?? he really needs to get an anatomy book, or at the very bare minimum just watch youtube videos online. if he just started out then it wouldnt be an issue but yeah notkastar has been drawing online since 2016 and he just hasnt improved much at all. smfh

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