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Cooking Issues Humphrey 2017/07/10 16:02:25 No.1288557   
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Cooking Issues P. 2 Humphrey 2017/07/10 16:03:43 No.1288559
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Cooking Issues P. 3 Humphrey 2017/07/10 16:04:11 No.1288560
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Furrynomous 2017/07/10 16:12:52 No.1288574
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I got a chuckle from the house. It looks cold and soulless on the outside and inside. Like baby's first house on The Sims but forgot to fill it.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/10 16:26:10 No.1288579
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>>1288574

You got a chuckle about the house but you failed to notice he was shaking the booty like an 8Ball.

Maximum kek!

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Furrynomous 2017/07/10 18:46:28 No.1288648
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>>1288557
I know this is just porn, but for fuck's sake, two-point perspective is one of the easiest and most basic drawing principles. And the design of the house and kitchen has no thought or effort put into it. This is utterly lazy and shows that the artist doesn't really care about the finished product so long as he gets his sweet Patreon bucks.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/10 19:16:44 No.1288660
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>>1288648
Clearly, he allocated all his skill points into drawing characters and none into drawing backgrounds.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/10 19:18:35 No.1288661
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>>1288660
You guys must be fun at parties
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Mykel Dana 2017/07/10 19:54:37 No.1288677
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You have to understand, Wagnermutt's work is top shelf usually. To see this little effort put into one of HIS comics is...surprising at least (and that's being generous).
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Furrynomous 2017/07/10 20:39:06 No.1288697
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>>1288677
I'd rather he half asses a comic rather than spend too much time on it and not finish it.

Remember his last 2 projects?
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Furrynomous 2017/07/10 21:21:20 No.1288711
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>>1288648
Oh my, you're the artist now! =O
Complaining at something you dosen't pay, yeah, you'r life must be very borring. :3
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Furrynomous 2017/07/10 21:23:16 No.1288712
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>>1288711
Probably Mutt's boyfriend, he is saying the same thing all over FA when someone complains of something
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Furrynomous 2017/07/10 22:07:20 No.1288728
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>>1288711
sometimes you don't have to be an artist to know when something is bad
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Furrynomous 2017/07/11 01:24:12 No.1288786
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>>1288728

Seconded. You don't have to know how to build a washing machine to know that a washing machine isn't good.

I think Roger Ebert, the famous movie critic, tried making a film himself and failed. That didn't detract from his work as a film critic.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/11 02:37:13 No.1288794
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The characters look fine but like... wtf man? That's like an M.C. Escher house designed by IKEA.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/11 04:48:28 No.1288814
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yes because its the benches everyone is looking at
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Wut 2017/07/11 05:19:59 No.1288820
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Even though I don't see food on a stove or in an oven, this is gonna end with the food being burned and them making some played out joke about it, isn't it?
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Furrynomous 2017/07/11 10:00:53 No.1288902
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>>1288648
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>>1288820


Focuses more on the Ranters and the Ranters focuses more on the environment while everyone just ignore the smexy males and the delicious sex.

U18chan community. Kek!
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Furrynomous 2017/07/11 10:08:20 No.1288905
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>>1288557
>"Wow, that house and kitchen looks bland and fucking enormous. Oh well, it's not the focus so it's fi-"
>>1288648
And here we see the good ol' fashioned 'tism of the lively community of u18chan.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/11 10:59:00 No.1288922
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>>1288905
>Oh noes, legitimate artistic critique with evidence! Better call them autistic!

When an artist is paid hundreds of dollars per comic page, I expect them to at least have the skills to pass an introductory art class.
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Leo Howler 2017/07/11 14:06:49 No.1289019
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Perspective issues aside... why is this all compressed and blurry looking?
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Furrynomous 2017/07/12 15:13:45 No.1289425
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Everyone knows wagnermutt is a little snowflake

He'll just stop doing the comic like he has done with all the other comics he tried to do before cause he's too good to be criticized :^)
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Furrynomous 2017/07/12 18:30:12 No.1289505
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>>1288922
That determines
1. Does anybody who pays him care?
And
2. Do you pay him?

If you are paying him, then why are you voicing this complaint here?
If you aren't then stop acting as if he should try to impress you. If his fans don't care, why should he care about the complaint of somebody who isn't paying him anyway?

I personally don't care because the main focus is the sex, not the backgrounds. His demand is in the smut, not the perspectives. Also, the quality shouldn't reflect on much he is being paid, its reflected on the price of product. If I sold a lower quality movie for a dollar and made about $500 vs selling a high quality movie for $25 and also made $500, then the overall money being recieved doesn't matter. It's the price itself that determines the quality. I don't know how much he asks for but it's probably pretty cheap.
I'm not saying your criticism doesn't have an argument, simply that nobody cares or at least shouldn't care.
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Asmail Rutherford 2017/07/13 00:09:29 No.1289591
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>>1289505
This.

>>1288648
>>1288922
Every artist adapts to the demand of their audience, fans and especially commissioners. Level of detail, as much as any other specifications and art 'qualities' depend on focus, price and what people specifically ask for in their works.

Btw, I don't remember this ever being at an introductory art class, but something tells me you guys wouldn't pass introductory of business/economic one if you don't get this simple, clearly perfectly working model of WM's.

On a side note, doing simpliest comics (with dialogue and multiple panels per page) requires much more time and effort than doing sigle picture commissions. Artists often get paid less per page for comics/not enough to make up for time consumption if they want ultra quality/ but I guess that's not relevant for y'all complainin' about this.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/13 00:31:10 No.1289598
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>>1289591
Holy shit. Does somebody actually agree with me for once. I only expected to be called an autistic retard who needs to drink bleach to clean the stupid.
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Quark 2017/07/13 01:52:57 No.1289618
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>>1289591
Topkek
Disregard this as anecdotal evidence if you want. I'd consider supporting this on Patreon if he did keep trying to make the art better, and would personally be more inclined if the content was free. Corvus Pointer is doing it for free, his work is better and he's got more patrons, plus I'm actually invested in his new shit.

This is behind a paywall. And you could argue whether it's more profitable to have a paywall so that few people get to see it but get more money per viewer, or have it be free and get the cash from a tip jar that a lot more people might be inclined to put money in.

That aside I'd consider supporting if it was up to the quality that I believe WM can accomplish, because clearly he can draw better backgrounds than this. Especially if he can draw characters this well. I don't like background neglect. That's just me, and a lot of others apparently agree. What tells you these people would fail a business class, and furthermore, who cares? We're here for art, this isn't the Wall Street Journal. One would think having less to criticize about your art would get you more patrons. That example anon cited? It slapped me in the face too when I saw that page and its Lovecraftian architecture.

And yes, I specifically remember learning two point perspective in a freshman level highschool class FFS. And a brief second time in a separate introductory college level drawing class. So no. No no no.

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Quark 2017/07/13 02:11:57 No.1289623
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>>1289505
>If his fans don't care, why should he care about the complaint of somebody who isn't paying him anyway?

Because if WM did care about this guy's opinion and improve accordingly, maybe it'd be more likely for this guy to become a patron? And if not him at least a handful of others? No, but that's a totally unhinged thought, that creating an echo chamber doesn't get more people to listen.
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Patron Mileage Furrynomous 2017/07/13 06:45:53 No.1289651
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>>1289618
>Corvus Pointer is doing it for free, his work is better and he's got more patrons.

I'm not saying he is bad, I love his work in fact and I wish he got more support, but what are you talking about? Corvus only has 2 patrons compared to WM's 52.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/13 08:51:49 No.1289671
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God. Every single thread instantly devolves into complaints and name calling and long arguments.

Where did you guys come from?
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Quark 2017/07/13 12:55:08 No.1289724
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>>1289651
Are you trolling or just illiterate? 71 and 2 aren't the same number.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/13 12:56:00 No.1289725
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>>1289618
I'm not saying people shouldn't criticize the art. As long as they stay objective with it. The problem is that the other guy brought up the fact that the artist is getting hundreds of bucks a page acting as if that is what determines the quality of the art when people like Micheal bay gets paid a fortune to make shit. I also was making a point that if you want your criticism to be heard and for the author to think it matters, here is not the place to do it. If I was an artist, I wouldn't concern myself with the opinions of people on a site pirating my comic. Go to his furaffinity account or post it on his patron account.

It also determines how much thought and effort went into the story. From the looks of it, this is just a short smut comic, hence the quality of backgrounds and the works won't be the best things ever made. He set up a simple little playground for his characters to fuck in. I understand wanting more but wanting more from this comic is just silly. Not every comic has to have high quality backgrounds. If this was every comic of his, then I would understand the complaint but even then, if it's still such a minor thing to his established audience then I understand why he isn't gonna spend more effort on something that isn't even the main focus of the comic.
>>1289623
That's a fair point but like I said, why voice that complaint here? Do you truly think that furry artists concern themselves with the opinions on website where most people aren't paying for their porn? My point is that if the people who have established they are willing to pay aren't complaining in areas where the artist can see it or care, then the artist has no reason to give a shit. I also personally understand why doing his best to appeal to everyone is a futile effort. Why go the extra mile on a simple porn comic just to appeal to a few extra people and get an extra 10 bucks. Overall, it's not worth it.
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Quark 2017/07/13 13:19:39 No.1289739
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>>1289725
I don't know man, it's not as if every reviewer on YouTube expects the creators of what they review to see the their tiny little channel.

It's fairly likely that he'll see this here and get pissed about the all non-payers reasons to not be patrons, but that's up to him. Most FA users aren't patrons either. As for the waste of energy, as you can attest it's hardly any effort to write a few paragraphs, let alone a short three sentence post. You might as well shit on YouTube movie reviews.

Plus I don't think you can easily tell how many new patrons can come from a site like this, I've found more artists to support here than on FA, I don't go there all that much. Maybe I'll go ahead and criticize him on FA too, but that's not gonna stop people here.

And again, you act as if he's not interested in acquiring more patrons. I'm sure he is.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/13 13:55:39 No.1289749
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>>1289739
For youtube reviewers, it's less about what the creator sees and more about entertaining an audience and telling people whether the product is worth it or not. Its a little different with this because we already see the content which mean reviews of it are kinda pointless. Doesn't mean we can't share our opinions, just shouldn't have people get overtly upset about the quality of the art or expect the complaints ts to be heard.

When it comes to the artist coming here and getting angry, It's possible but not likely. This site is kind of infamous for pulling in royal snobs who criticize everything and even if he did come here, he still has to question if it's worth the extra few bucks. I'm sure he wants more patrons but if drawing magnificent backgrounds nets him 5 extra patrons all giving about 3 bucks, that still only 15 bucks. The question is, is it worth it? I hope he improves himself but expecting the best amount of effort in every comic is kind of silly especially when it's just a short porn comic.

And trust me, I know about finding artists to support. I found half of them on here myself, now I'm just here for comics I can't afford to support amd to have conversations about them.

And definitely comment on his FA, I don't know if he is like other artists but if you just point out you like more detailed backgrounds, he might listen. I don't intend to stop people here, just hope to maneuver the traffic of complaints where they can be heard. Doesn't mean I'm not enjoying a good conversation where we talk about what we value out of our content. If you value good backgrounds, I respect that but I also respect the artist's choice to focus on what matters to him and his audience.
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Asmail Rutherford 2017/07/13 14:19:04 No.1289757
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>>1289618
I don't see a reason to disregard your reply in such, or any other manner; especially as you do have some solid points there I agree with.

1. Corvus Pointer is great as an artist, and per my experience interesting and friendly guy that knows his shit. Frankly, he's a different league. I was there when he set up Patreon, stating it doesn't mean he plans to ever put content behind a paywall, and I loved his approach to the whole thing. So yeah, you're right about that. I myself like and incline far more towards supporting CP's projects, but...

2. But that doesn't mean WM's system is bad. It's just different, and it apparently works well both for him and his commissioners. There's why my business class reply to anon(s) basically implying they can't understand how this art and income go together. Who cares? probably noone.

3. Don't know 'bout that. Some of us might be here for art, but considering the nature of works posted here, I'd say most come here to satisfy other than aesthetical needs.

4. Hm. Then we have experience with very different art classes I guess.

Generally, I get you, but I see this whole thing as merely a matter of one's own taste, or rather willingness to support particular artist, where each and all debates in the manner "why they don't draw better for that money" and hypothetical "I'd support him/her, if..." just Enter The Void of internets after some time. Unless the artist gets to read it, takes it as constructive feedback and makes significant changes basing on it.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/13 14:49:52 No.1289764
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>>1289749
You're getting the wrong idea that the backgrounds are the sole complaint here. That is just one criticism to exemplify the overall lack of effort put into the comic. It seems the artist doesn't really care about the quality of the content he produces, and the point of crowdfunding sites is to help creators achieve the projects they are passionate about. WagnerMutt starts and apparently abandons comics all the time, leaving me to wonder if he really enjoys creating them, or if his only priorities are to get money and maintain his popularity in the fandom.

There are M.S. Paint quality comics posted here all the time, getting trashed in the comments, and I don't see people writing paragraphs at their defense. What makes WM exempt from artistic criticism? His popularity?

This feedback is not so much directed towards the artist, but to the people who visit this site. Maybe we should demand better content from creators and question the motives of artists who don't deliver on their projects? Just a thought.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/13 14:55:44 No.1289767
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>>1289757

It's an image board. People want to discuss shit. Some of that shit is perceived flaws with the comic. If anything, railing arbitrarily against people with legitimate points to make has even less value than what you apply to those points themselves.

Its not like people are complaining "its not what I like so it sux"
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Furrynomous 2017/07/13 21:38:15 No.1289907
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What kind of job does the one character work at that requires a briefcase but also let's him be shirtless
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Furrynomous 2017/07/14 00:17:17 No.1289948
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>>1289764
Even then, acting as if those criticisms have weight here is what I find silly. I'm not saying they aren't legit. Not finishing a comic is probably frustrating but not detailing the background does not personally matter to me.

I also don't know kuch about the artist or his works. I'm not even defending his lack of effort. I'm just clarifying that making these criticisms here acting as if the artist should make stuff that appeals to us while we aren't the ones making him money. The only way he is gonna care is if the people putting food on his table are gonna voice these complaints. I only picked this comic because I saw it get bumbed on the thread.

When it comes to things like patreon, it's less about passion projects and more about supporting artists or at least that's the way I've always seen it.

If you wanna continue to give constructive criticism here though, I don't see a problem with it. Its like me talking aboit movies. It's less about what I want or expect the creator to do and more along the lines of what I think would make it better.

A lot of the people who are already supporting the artist probably aren't gonna come here to talk. They're most likely set in their ways or don't visit this site. That's why I say that making these criticisms with intentions of changing the content we get or what people support aren't likely.

I'm not one of those dumbass idiots on this site who says people shouldn't talk or shouldn't be critical because it's kind of what the site is for. Just don't be a snobbish prick who acts like the world owes you something and that these artists should do whatever makes you happy which includes making higher quality art. I'm not saying you are one of these people, just claryfying what type of people piss me off on this site
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Furrynomous 2017/07/14 11:51:22 No.1290202
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>>1289907

That's a hilarious observation. I'm going to go with... bowflex salesman.

As for the quality discussion here, I don't really care if the house interior isn't square and spatially accurate, or if this is going to be a cliché "oops dinner burned because sex, lets order pizza" scenario, because, the characters are really hot, and well drawn. I understand why that stuff bothers people, but I figure this was just intended to be a cheesy porn comic and I'm on board with that.

Just my opinion, I'm not telling anyone to stop, these comments are funny.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/14 14:10:20 No.1290235
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>tl;dr people will always pay all the money they have for people to draw mediocre quality penises and butts regardless if they've seen it a million times already.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/14 14:29:14 No.1290236
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>>1290202
Exactly. For the majority of people, they don't care. If thry do that's fine though.
>>1290235
Thats a pretty accurate tl:dr. Thank you for condensing my bullshit.
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Furrynomous 2017/08/25 09:57:52 No.1311888
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Here
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Furrynomous 2017/08/25 17:21:36 No.1312048
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>>1288557

That unfinished comic he will never finished was way better "cuter" than this even though it was black and white.... This is justmeh
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ChaeJuru 2017/08/27 01:56:32 No.1312663
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My shoulders would've been against the table by then. o/////o
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Furrynomous 2017/08/27 09:40:11 No.1312732
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>>1312048
^
This new comic is just boring
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Furrynomous 2017/08/28 01:25:01 No.1313066
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>>1312048

>>1312732
^

Agreed...Totally lost his touch...

And I could have swore.....


Hmm.
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Furrynomous 2017/08/28 01:31:02 No.1313067
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>>1313066
?????????????
this is by meesh, not wagnermutt
are u ok
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Jerbear 2017/08/28 03:13:33 No.1313084
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>>1313067

I think he means the plot are you autistic or something?
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Furrynomous 2017/08/28 05:48:36 No.1313150
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>>1313066

I mean Meesh doesn't have a monopoly on kitchen sex stories, but yeah, that's the first thing I thought too.
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MykelDana 2017/11/04 12:34:57 No.1343696
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So... why did he upload this comic? Is he sending a message?
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Furrynomous 2017/11/05 17:51:46 No.1344305
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>>1313084
*snicker * i believe every hypermetropic person had this situation once
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Furrynomous 2017/11/06 09:11:05 No.1344553
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https://inkbunny.net/s/1444008
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Furrynomous 2017/11/13 12:08:26 No.1347478
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pretty funny ending. :D
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 01:15:00 No.1431386
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Now that's how you get someone to do the dishes... why can't humans have knots XD (kinda sad to think i even say this lol i'm not even into humans due to having and whitnessing allot of bad experiences) #ForeverAloneAtLeastUntilScienceMakesThisReal lol

Edited at 2018/05/06 01:17:14
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 01:29:10 No.1431392
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How loose is your asshole if you only realise after several seconds that you have been knotted? I would only expect that from the foxiest of foxes.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 05:10:12 No.1431430
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Sewage waste
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 05:43:46 No.1431445
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>>1431392
he obviously preoccupied since he was ORGASMING at the same time

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