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Star Fox: Date by Ventkazemaru Furrynomous 2017/07/17 10:46:21 No.1291755   
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Ventkazemaru did this one: a romance and sex comic involving Fox McCloud and Wolf O'Donnell. It's a sequential set of images, but on most pages the dialog was posted outside of the images. Therefore I will post the dialog as text accompanying each image. On some pages, dialog appears as subtitles.

Note that I'm tagging this thread with the Japanese names of Star Fox (the series) and the two characters of this comic. Sadly I don't know much Japanese, so I cannot provide a translation of the dialog for Japanese audiences.

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Page 1:
"Seriously? You wanted to go here?"

"Eh everyone knows my flame here, nicest place for a guy like me."

"Riiiiiight, you know who I am right? If someone got a good look at me things..."

"Hey, You're on a date with me. You don't got nothing to worry about. "

"'Side from being a war hero, twice, in the dirtiest station in lylat."

"I'll keep your tail safe pup. No one's wrecking it...

'cept for me."

"flattering, Wolf."

"What are you drinking anyway? Dragon milk not good enough for you?"

"Cranberry juice. I don't drink."

"Heh."

"what?"

"That is so adorable."
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Page 2 Furrynomous 2017/07/17 10:47:27 No.1291756
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"Nice view isn't it?"

"Yeah...it's actually pretty cool"

"Better than seeing space in the cockpit am I right?"

"Never tried taking a good look into space. Usually I'm too busy getting shot by you."

"Hahahaha. Those were some good times pup."

"why do you keep calling me that?"

"Because you are a pup."

"I'm 27."

"I'm 38 and you're still gonna be my pup no matter how old you get."

Honestly I don't know how old they are. but this is close enough
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Page 3 Furrynomous 2017/07/17 10:48:40 No.1291757
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"What is this?"

"You've been avoiding my question. How do you get paid?"

"I already told you! That's classified!"

"Classified my ass, I told you my company secrets. So tell me yours! It's only fair right?"

"Alright fine! We get paid by confirmed hits."

"Wow."

"What?"

"That's brutal. Even for star wolf."

"What are you saying?"

"I've seen you fight pup, You don't just shoot ships. you've shot people. with friends, families."

"..."

"All so you can get a little bonus on that paycheck. Hell I saw you shoot down retreating ships!"

"Enough wolf!"

"Admit it pup, you're a killer, just like me. Maybe be even worse."
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Page 4 Furrynomous 2017/07/17 10:49:53 No.1291758
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"Dammit wolf. what was the point of all this?"

"I could tell there was something bothering you. I wanted to loosen you up a little."

"Like this?!"

"All that tension's gone now isn’t it? "

"You're hurt..."

"It's just a scratch. I'll be fine. Not the first time you hit me ya know."

"Wolf..."

"Don't worry pup. I'll take care of everything."
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Page 5 Furrynomous 2017/07/17 10:51:30 No.1291759
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"Has anyone ever told you that ascot makes you look really gay?"

"I'll get used to it."
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Page 6 Furrynomous 2017/07/17 10:55:24 No.1291760
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"Hey what's wrong pup?"

"Sorry wolf."

"Is it my breath?"

"No that's not it."

"It''s okay if you don't want to do this so soon."

"I want to but...All these guys are watching us."
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Page 7 Furrynomous 2017/07/17 10:56:47 No.1291761
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"What's the matter? Scared?"

"I've never touched another guy's dick before!"

"First time for everything right?"

...

"See? It ain't so hard, for now."

"Shut up wolf."

"It gets bigger if you use your mouth."
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Pages 8-9 Furrynomous 2017/07/17 10:59:51 No.1291763
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>>1291762
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Page 10 Furrynomous 2017/07/17 11:00:54 No.1291764
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"o-ohh wolf..."
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Page 11 Furrynomous 2017/07/17 11:06:29 No.1291766
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"What does this make us now?"

"Well you got two options: We can just keep having fun with eachother like this, no strings attached.
Or we can try making this work."

"...Can I trust you on latter?"

"Hey it ain't my first rodeo pup, but I'm willing to make it my last. Hell
I should be the one asking if I can trust you."

"What do you mean?"

"That falco of yours is kinda hot."

"I thought you wanted to keep it between us!"

"I will, but can you?"
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Page 12 (END) Furrynomous 2017/07/17 11:07:53 No.1291767
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"I promise"

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(The comic is over)
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 11:08:45 No.1291769
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BTW Ventkazemaru posted an isolated image of the bottomless Wolf O'Donnell wagging his tail.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 11:18:44 No.1291780
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I can't help but remember how much of a dick Vent is when looking at his work. Like, good work but you're still a twat so I can't fap to this :V
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 11:42:46 No.1291791
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>>1291780
its the best when you are jsut in it for the porn and nothing else, then things like this cant affect ya
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 13:36:36 No.1291823
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>>1291780
What did he do? :/
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 14:08:08 No.1291845
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>>1291823
Don't ask. People here hate almost every single artist in existence.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 14:22:33 No.1291858
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Where can I find this guy work I love it
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 14:31:11 No.1291868
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>>1291858
http://furaffinity.net/user/VentKazemaru
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 16:16:16 No.1291952
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>>1291780
Why? What'd he do? I'm curious too now
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 19:14:32 No.1292100
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>>1291845
You know, when you tell strangers explicitly not to do something, you just piqued their curiosity. Just tell them.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/17 23:47:30 No.1292214
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>>1291845
I ain't even the same anon but I'll tell you when I was young and just entering the fandom I found him, naturally a smaller but still slightly popular artist was a good idea in my mind. I asked to do art trades with him to try and get maybe noticed some. Which is hilarious because even how bad my art was back then when I remember it I was still better at it than him. He was condescending, rude, pretentious for a guy who literally does not improve. For years, I might add. I have another friend of mine who also talked to him who can literally tell you the same thing from his experience. He's just awful to new, young, and impressionable artists which isn't something that flies for me especially considering how much flak this fandom already gets anyway.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 01:09:13 No.1292253
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>>1292214

Now I'm curious. We've seen his work. How is yours better?
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 03:04:17 No.1292310
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>>1292214
same.deal an art trade with him.he didn't do anything particularly BAD.but from the whole thing, he kinda give me this vibe that tells me he is an asshole.i ended up slightly hate him.well i guess that's just me.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 03:42:49 No.1292320
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>>1292214
Do you remember what he actually said to you back then? Do you still have the PM stored in the inbox of whatever site you used?
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 03:54:26 No.1292330
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OK, do you have any legitimate reason Vent is a dick other than "Wah wah, he didn't want to do a trade with my way better than his art ):<"?
And by the way, the internet is not supposed to babysit you, specially on the furry fandom. "Young, impressionable artists" my ass, you reach out to a porn artist, then expect to be treated like an adult.

Like I said, this chan hates every single artist in existence for the pettiest shit anyone can imagine.

Edited at 2017/07/18 08:42:15
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 10:16:45 No.1292409
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Here's a recent sketch.
>>1292330
Nice projecting. I definitely did do a trade or two with him back then. Wasn't impressed, he definitely didn't work as hard on his side and dismissed constructive feedback because this was his 'style'. Hell, this style literally looks the same today as it did 5 years ago. I'd be embarrassed to present it to potential costumers or others who might want to trade.

Also never said the internet is about baby sitting. I just value respect. Criticism doesn't have to be disrespectful.
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VentKazemaru 2017/07/18 11:28:46 No.1292429
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>>1292409

I mean if you have a problem with me. Have you ever considered talking about it to me directing instead of ranting about it on an image board? I don't even remember who you are. so it either means it was a long time ago or my memory is bad. People change in time either way. So if I was brushing off new artists back then. I've been helping new artists who ask for it, to be better than me.

this sounds like a long standing grudge against me though. So my recent actions are not probably not relevant your problems against me.

So I am here right now extending my hand to settle the matter.

Course it's also possible people will just keep hating on me even though I'm trying to help. It's fine if it changes nothing, but at least I tried.

I don't mind my work being posted here by the way. It got me a lot more watchers since it's been here. But even I think this isn't really good story telling.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 11:46:28 No.1292438
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>>1292429
People asked why others might not like you. Someone implied it was because people love hating things, which- fair enough. I answered with my own reason and someone even related very similarly. It's not some fiery hatred, a distaste more. I'm not on some witch hunt for you, don't worry.

Edited at 2017/07/18 11:47:12
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 12:27:37 No.1292454
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>I definitely did do a trade or two with him back then. Wasn't impressed, he definitely didn't work as hard on his side and dismissed constructive feedback because this was his 'style'.
I don't know how that went down, so right now, it's your word against his... And if anyone came off as a dick to me on this story, it had to be you. You sound more like a damn elitist than someone who's concerned for the fandom, how he treats other people and all that.

>Hell, this style literally looks the same today as it did 5 years ago.
You sure? 'cuz I see a lot of improvements on this over, say, that:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/4375436/

>I'd be embarrassed to present it to potential costumers or others who might want to trade.
Hey, I'm a costumer and I'm not embarrassed. If I had a choice between his never-improved style and your way-better-than-his one, I'd still pick him over you. But that's just me.

Edited at 2017/07/18 12:43:14
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 20:40:16 No.1292785
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>>1292454
"haha wah wah he didn't do a trade with me, you sound like a baby"
"he did do a trade with me and I clearly saw he put in minimal effort compared to something he submitted no more than a week or two before that"
"you just sound like an elitist asshole!"
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 21:01:22 No.1292795
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This world and its people no matter how "loving" it is it's still more full of hate than you think under the cover this is a perfect example of that "real hate"
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 21:09:33 No.1292800
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>>1292785
>I clearly saw he put in minimal effort compared to something he submitted no more than a week or two before that

It's almost as if you keep changing the story of what happened:
>Wasn't impressed, he definitely didn't work as hard on his side and dismissed constructive feedback because this was his 'style'

I thought your grudge started because his part of the trade wasn't as good and perfectly godlike as yours? But now you're accusing him of something else...

Yeah, I sense somebody's a liar on top of being an elitist asshole.

Edited at 2017/07/18 21:16:56
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 21:34:14 No.1292813
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>>1292800
If you want to commission him by all means, I never said don't, and I wouldn't go out of my way to tell people not to for some personal reason why I don't like him. That's just unprofessional. I told someone I didn't like him for a personal reason because they simply asked why. A person or two took it far more personally than they needed to. The story is still the same, I just didn't include information I didn't feel I needed to until someone, likely yourself, kept trying to take it further than it needed to be, which was "I just don't like him for my own personal reasons". Don't call me an elitist for trying not to get down in the dirt and toxic like you are, or because you drew yourself to think I have a god complex either, please. Someone asked to see my art and I provided.
Anywho, I'm done commenting on it, your interest seems more than professional, as you keep drawing yourself to petty conclusions as basis for arguments. Take it easy, and please don't expect another reply.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/18 22:12:24 No.1292833
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>>1292813
I never asked for why you hated him, I simply commented people just like to hate every motherfucking artist in existence for petty shit and you tried to defend that with this:

>I was young and wanted to do a trade with Vent because even though my art was bad, it was better than his, but he was popular, so maybe I could get noticed if I did a trade with him. He was condescending, rude, his part of the trade had minimal effort and his art never improved from that, anyway. I didn't like it, because he should be trying to help younger artists to get noticed for the sake of the fandom.

Sure, go ahead and gloat about how good you were & are, how bad he was & still is, how you only seeked him for his popularity, only to be disappointed in the end result of the thing you considered inferior to your own. This totally helps the case you're not a fucking elitist. It helps you a lot!

And while you're at it, go ahead and say he never improved. Specially because when I look at a pic from 5 years ago and compare it to now, now's much better. I know it's subjective, but this is a blatant fucking lie.

60% of your comment is about how his art is bad and yours is better, that's petty as hell. So is not flying with the idea that people absolutely *have* to help you because you're younger, even when you consider yourself to be superior to them. The rest is just a bunch of accusations, which I tried to get you to post more detailed evidence twice, but you didn't; so they're practically worth nothing.

Frankly, I'm just tired of seeing every artist I like in existence being shunned on this website for one dumb reason or another. With that said, you haven't proven me wrong yet.

Edited at 2017/07/18 22:23:52
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Furrynomous 2017/07/19 02:22:29 No.1292958
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I don't know VentKazemaru very well, but I have interacted with him. He and I and several other people made a small art collab once and I've been in a skype group with him a few years back. From my limited interaction with him I don't think he's a bad person.

However, VK dude, if you're reading this, I think there are two reasons people think don't like you. You are standoffish and dismissive, and secondly you don't push yourself hard enough to get better. That combo makes you seem like you're arrogant.

It's fine if you don't want to push yourself to get to a level where some people expect you to get to. But you seem to want to DO better (I mean everyone does). I don't think you really understand that DOing better means a lot of grinding, doing things outside of your comfort zone, learning new skills and absorbing hard solid criticism. Working outside of your style is the best way to improve your style. There's no other way.
I'm looking through your FA journals right now, and I can give you this example from 3 weeks ago. You asked your followers 'What do you think is my best work?' That shows me that your mindset is 'draw for the masses,' but that's actually not the path towards appeasing everyone, including the masses and yourself. If you want to do better you need feedback from what you're doing wrong, not what you're doing right.
A month ago you also asked 'How am I doing?', which is a step in the right direction. You go on to say
>If the advice would have to be more than telling me to look at references or stuff like that. That's probably not the answer.
Not everyone has a good eye for identifying specific flaws in your art, but everyone has the ability to recognize a gestalt as flawed. If people say there's a problem in this zone, you work harder on that zone, you do more studies of that subject until you figure out something you didn't understand before. Then you understand what that one piece of criticism was about, even if they didn't understand it themselves. I agree that being specific about your criticism is the best way to go about it, but realize that you can't always get that. If you are not going to work on your flaws until you get laser focused criticism, you are going to be waiting a long time.

Another reply of yours in that journal.
>If there's a next level i'm not reaching. Point me in the right direction. And ill get on it.
I think you think you're in a good place right now, but you still don't have a good grasp of fundamentals, like perspective, proportion and anatomy. That's fine if you're fine with that and your whole style. But you can't escape your current skill level without being humble about your basic skills. And again, not everyone is an artist and knows what your should work on. You're the best judge of that actually.

Looking through more of those replies it looks like you've cultivated a fanbase that's not willing to give you proper criticism. Many of the replies are variants of 'I'm fine with your style' or 'you need to put yourself out there' or 'take my money.' That's not an environment that will help you grow. You ask for criticism, but I'm not sure whether you really want criticism. You might really want criticism, but you don't realize your demeanor is getting in the way of that.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/19 15:52:40 No.1293283
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Perhaps certain artists aren't the easiest to get along with... but I didn't intend to start a JuicyCampus-like thread -_-

I can understand debate about plotlines/characters or even "frivolous" things like technical legalities, but I think the mudslinging's getting ridiculous.

I agree that fostering an atmosphere that allows critique is important (a lot of people on the internet have trouble with that!). Despite that, I think the focus here has gotten too personal.

Why don't we talk about the comic? That's why I started the thread. The comic itself is interesting.

Edited at 2017/07/19 16:41:19
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VentKazemaru 2017/07/19 19:58:16 No.1293425
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>>1292958

If I sound standoffish to people. Its probably because I am. I keep my circle of friends very small. I may reply to some things. But its not information you can use to know me better. Most of the time I say nothing.

That's the point.

The less people know about me, the better. You know how much people WILL read between the lines to find some hidden meaning to them. There's no way around be dismissive and standoffish without interacting more with people. Its just not my personality to be social like that. I don't want people to learn about me, I just want to draw and have people like it, that's it. It shouldn't be bad to say nothing.

As for criticism. Its very easy to be mean on the internet. Opening myself to criticism from my journals that just makes it possible for anons to just tell me whats wrong without be helpful. If you want to help. Let me know on FA. Not on an image board. I won't listen to anons. But my work is posted here. It's an interesting look on how people think of my work without a filter. I am not mad or anything like that it is. I've grown past getting angry on the internet. Not worth the time.

I have taken art classes, people are gonna probably say I failed or something after saying that. I understand the basics of drawing bodies and such. But I really have no desire to draw realistically. It seems like people think that the evolution of an artist to be able to draw exact photos of things. Course I do want to do better. but if the expectation is to for me to draw real furries, that will most likely be a very unfulfilled expectation. So what is the the answer? I dunno I'm still looking for it.

That said. With my art stagnating. I've done other things now. I program, I make games, I animate, I make stories like this comic. I branch out and try many forms of media. But drawing is the core of it all. I would like doing more than just draw static images. And I still have potential to improve in those things. but it seems only my drawings people have things to be critical on.

Above all else this is a hobby to me. All of my work, unless it's commission, is for me. That said I'm well aware that my art is stuck. And that's okay. Do people not like my of evolution enough to do something about it? Most of the time no. They just complain and do nothing further. That doesn't help me or them.

Edited at 2017/07/19 20:39:13
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Furrynomous 2017/07/20 11:49:47 No.1293706
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>>1293425
from that, i feel like you pride upon the fact you purposely try to shun yourself from human interaction.
why do you keep making journals asking for art trades?
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VentKazemaru 2017/07/20 11:53:50 No.1293707
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>>1293706

Because I like seeing other people drawing porn of my characters.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/20 12:59:56 No.1293754
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I wonder if anyone has made a "public relations for furries" kind of book/article. I understand that people often don't want to have too many commitments, social connections, etc. It's also important to find a way to communicate these points gently so other people don't feel so bad about it or take it personally.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/20 13:29:45 No.1293763
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>>1293754
The thing is, this is a big gray area. Some guides for commissioners, and guides for artists, do exist on places like tumblr.

The thing is, however, many people feel like artists "owe" it to their audience to be both friendly and transparent about their lives. However, some people are more private than others. Language barriers also can interfere with discourse about this, adding a whole other level of misunderstanding.
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Furrynomous 2017/07/20 14:06:20 No.1293772
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>>1293763

By all means artists should be private about their lives if they want to be. It's totally okay if they want to do that and I understand why people do that! I meant that IMO it's important to communicate such in a way that's gentle. How you say something is just as important as what you say.

Edited at 2017/07/20 14:15:48
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Furrynomous 2017/07/20 14:35:24 No.1293777
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>>1293425
> But I really have no desire to draw realistically. It seems like people think that the evolution of an artist to be able to draw exact photos of things. Course I do want to do better. but if the expectation is to for me to draw real furries, that will most likely be a very unfulfilled expectation. So what is the the answer? I dunno I'm still looking for it.

As much as you don't like it, you have to learn to draw realistically if you want to progress. Developing your own style means that you know how the real thing works, and you're able to twist it without making breaking it. I think studies (anatomy, values, shading, and so on) would really benefit you (especially if you feel like your art is stagnating). It's a science: there are rules and standards, and you have to learn them if you want to be able to play with them efficiently.

Of course, you can keep drawing only your style, but you shouldn't expect progress to be quick or efficient.

I also really recommend watching "Why Your Drawings Sucks" (not a personal attack or a statement, by the way) by Istebrak on Youtube. Her videos have really helped me improve, and maybe they can help you too.

Edited at 2017/07/20 14:38:20
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Furrynomous 2017/08/14 10:30:41 No.1306590
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>>1293283

This is U18Chan, posters should know better than to ask people not to argue or throw insults... It's just that kind of "community".
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Furrynomous 2017/08/14 10:42:37 No.1306593
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>>1306590

Problem is being too liberal in throwing rumors (not mere insults) doing that could jeopardize an online community itself. Before JuicyCampus shut down (due to a lack of money), state attorney generals were nosing through their business. http://wbjb.org/home.php/2008/03/19/college-gossip-web-site-targeted-by-nj-attorney-general/

It's one thing to post insults, but posting rumors could cause problems.

Edited at 2017/08/14 10:45:25
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Furrynomous 2017/08/14 10:57:07 No.1306601
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>>1306590
Why did you resurrect this thread just to point out the obvious that no one's gonna listen to anyway?
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Exactly XX 2017/08/14 10:59:54 No.1306610
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>>1306601

Thank you for proving my point, of course; if you weren't being sarcastic.

Edited at 2017/08/14 11:00:46

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