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White Fangs Furrynomous 2019/06/16 13:15:43 No.1603201   
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By Alpha0

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/alpha0/
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Furrynomous 2019/06/16 13:16:16 No.1603202
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Furrynomous 2019/06/16 13:16:35 No.1603203
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Furrynomous 2019/06/16 15:05:30 No.1603236
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please don't be vore please don't be vore
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Furrynomous 2019/06/16 15:52:56 No.1603251
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Ditto. This is a hot premise that's at very high risk of becoming ruined by a vore or gore fetish.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/16 15:55:36 No.1603252
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Do after looking through the artist's work it doesn't appear that either of those things are kinks of is so we should be safe from that in this comic.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/16 20:19:28 No.1603455
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>>1603236
That's the first thing i thought. This has potential
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Furrynomous 2019/06/16 20:41:35 No.1603464
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I... unaronically actually hope for vore.
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‘ Anonymous 2019/06/16 21:29:47 No.1603472
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>>1603464
Who are you, James Howard?
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Furrynomous 2019/06/16 22:29:50 No.1603498
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I don't think Alpha0 has ever done vore, so we're probably just talking kinky sex with a big guy twice his size.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/26 12:18:47 No.1606554
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any more?
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Furrynomous 2019/06/29 11:00:07 No.1607596
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Does the artist have twitter?
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Furrynomous 2019/06/29 12:26:47 No.1607616
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Comic goes up to page 6 on patreon
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Furrynomous 2019/06/30 06:05:12 No.1607944
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Furrynomous 2019/07/01 11:42:55 No.1608435
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Hoo boy, getting hotter!
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Furrynomous 2019/07/01 12:56:50 No.1608447
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fuck i wanna see him get destroyed
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Furrynomous 2019/07/01 16:47:00 No.1608538
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*ahem* bring in the wrecking ball
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Furrynomous 2019/07/01 20:40:22 No.1608617
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fall from grace little dog
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Caligula 2019/07/06 15:27:22 No.1610363
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The dragon has a nice ass hopefully he gets rimmed
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Mykel Dana 2019/07/06 23:30:53 No.1610513
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he does have a lot of dragon-like qualities. but, I have the feeling he's a demonic wolf.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/07 19:18:57 No.1610968
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I want to see that bottom worship the demon's ass
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Furrynomous 2019/07/12 19:41:29 No.1613723
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next page?
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Furrynomous 2019/07/14 09:08:13 No.1614604
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Updates? Artist said in Twitter that he's already working in page 12
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Furrynomous 2019/07/16 19:23:03 No.1617017
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Any updates?
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Furrynomous 2019/07/18 06:29:20 No.1617560
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Next pages?
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Furrynomous 2019/07/18 07:49:12 No.1617574
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Furaffinity is currently down so it may be a tad bit before the next page is posted.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/21 21:52:58 No.1619551
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New pages on his Patreon. Anyone can post them?

Edited at 2019/07/22 00:12:51
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Furrynomous 2019/07/21 22:35:06 No.1619564
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Furrynomous 2019/07/21 22:35:35 No.1619566
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 02:46:22 No.1619643
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Incoming hypnosis in 3, 2, 1...
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 03:55:35 No.1619661
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Welp, he's never going back to the village
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 09:34:12 No.1619708
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>>1619643
I'm worried about that. It's hard when you get a good artist and then you find out they get commissioned by the same guy all the time (Zsisron or someone similar) whom are raging hypnotism fetishists.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 13:41:34 No.1619781
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>>1619643
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Hypnosis is a God-tier fetish, tho

Can't wait to see that little wolf get mindbroken.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 18:06:09 No.1619865
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>>1619781
Hypnosis is the worst type of fetish it pretty much rape at that point
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 18:12:39 No.1619867
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>>1619865
Well, the dude seems to be willing. Is it really rape at this point?
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 18:24:04 No.1619874
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>rape

That's pretty hot

>>1619867
This. The little wolf sought out the demon, and explicitly stated he wants to be sexually used. The most arousing part is that as the reader, we know the wolf probably bit off more than he can chew; so while it will be willing, he is going to get defiled, humiliated, and broken pretty roughly.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 19:53:31 No.1619897
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Why are you guys always crying rape on this site? Chill out, this isn't a real world scenario nor is it rape
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 20:05:02 No.1619898
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>>1619897
Never said this scenario was, just saying the idea of hypnosis is pretty much that read before you reply
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Arkane 2019/07/22 20:05:51 No.1619899
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Wow is the writing here turning me on as much as the comic?

"Blessed in White Seed

Lost in the Restless Call

of The Father of Violence

I wonder how much remains of you?

of us..."

I know I'm a sucker for this kind of kinda cliche stuff but that is a god tier line.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 22:50:41 No.1619958
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I read what you said and you're implying that if there's hypno then it immediately makes it rape/rapey. Regardless of if there's going to be hypno or not, these aren't real people this is a porn comic with furry characters and a demon
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 05:09:15 No.1620112
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I only say hypnosis because the wolf's eyes look glazed and he is literally "losing himself" in some kind of trance

Btw I'm not into hypnosis at all so I'm just warning for those who aren't into it either that it kinda looks like it's steering into that territory
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 06:52:16 No.1620164
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you can't be hypnotised unless you want to be, psychologically speaking. it isn't rape, more so mental submission
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 08:33:25 No.1620184
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He literally states, he wants the big guy to do stuff to him in the 3rd page. How can this be a rape scenario, lol
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 16:39:35 No.1620381
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Honestly if this does become a hypnosis story I would be completely baffled as to why. He's clearly willing. He wants that fat cock inside him. Hypnotising him just seems unnecessary. I thought the appeal of hypnosis as a fetish was getting people to do something they wouldn't do otherwise. So it just seems redundant.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 18:01:18 No.1620413
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Yeah something you wouldn't normally do, but you have to be willing to be hypnotized in the first place for it to happen, its not like being roofied
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 18:26:24 No.1620420
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To be honest, I largely prefer rape-y comics (okay, not actual rape but y'know, porn "ooh noooo i don't want it oh wait i love it" kinda rape) than hypnosis.

Hypnosis is fucking boring. It can take any cool scenario where the characters may have an interesting dynamic and turns it into the same boring-ass dynamic of one guy masturbating with a living sextoy while the other basically sleeps through it.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 19:21:04 No.1620444
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I can agree to that, you don't want mindless puppet sex

Edited at 2019/07/26 01:56:37
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Furrynomous 2019/07/25 23:43:41 No.1621402
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I think it's silly to jump to hypnosis conclusion when there's literally a panel referencing him taking some kind of root that has his groin on fire.
Sounds more like an aphrodisiac drug situation making him even more of a cock-hungry slut. Granted I know that's not too different than hypnosis but still.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/26 05:06:25 No.1621464
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>>1621402
This is what years and years of watching comics with great art and interesting premise turn to shit within the span of a single page as they introduce a random-ass fetish out of nowhere will do to you.

This is a bunch of battle-hardened veterans you are talking to
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Furrynomous 2019/07/28 16:40:03 No.1622476
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is there more?
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Furrynomous 2019/07/28 23:47:48 No.1622590
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>>1622476
Yes, there are new pages, but posted only on his Patreon and no one seems willing to post them...
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 01:43:13 No.1623613
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 01:43:18 No.1623615
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 01:44:44 No.1623616
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 01:45:33 No.1623620
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 01:45:36 No.1623621
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 10:43:35 No.1623782
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I'm a llittle confused by the timeline here
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 11:43:32 No.1623815
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>>1623782
You are not the only one.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 13:10:59 No.1623855
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? Really, it's stated top left that this sequence is the past. Dunno whats confusing about it.

>>1623613

Edited at 2019/07/31 13:12:41
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 19:14:32 No.1623985
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>>1623782
Seems like we are shown glimpses of the past. I think the witch created that demon dog fellow to teach the tribe a lesson? But I'm more interested on how far that submissive dog will fall in depravity.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 19:14:44 No.1623986
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Something familiar about that hunky lizard's face. Cant quite figure it out, hmm...
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 19:23:20 No.1623989
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My problem is that the MC
>>1603201
Looks like the slightly older version of this guy:
>>1623614
However, he claims he heard from the monster from his witch-man, which makes matter awfully confusing since the leader of the tribe hates the racoon, so there's no way he would have not exiled him.
And from the way they talked at the beginning of the comic, the monster has been getting sacrifices for a long time.
So, even if the MC is just a descendant of the wolf of the flashback, the raccoon would not have been their witch-man, which means this must be another village, but this would make no sense given how the MC looks like the wolf from the flashback.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 23:12:26 No.1624058
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>>1623620
How was he stealing it, I wonder.... Oral? Anal? Other???
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Furrynomous 2019/07/31 23:14:22 No.1624059
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>>1623989

the way I interpret it, the main character is the one who should have been sacrificed, but the alpha (main character's father) did not.

So the witch has probably tried all sorts of alternative ways to avoid ruin to the tribe, but none of it works because it's MC that is supposed to be sacrificed.

MC probably only first found out about this from his exiled lover Rami, who is now the witch's apprentice. He is confronting White Fangs for a variety of reasons, probably:

1) because he knows he is the one who is supposed to be sacrificed

2) because he wants to clear Rami's name, at the very least, and if he can stop/appease White Fangs, then that can vindicate the with and the apprentice

I think the comment from White Fangs "I wonder how much remains of you...of us" is extremely meaningful...like, MC and WF are probably a lot more connected than has been revealed. So, maybe this is kinda a magic witchcraft incest sort of thing?
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Furrynomous 2019/08/01 01:44:38 No.1624113
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This comic is some of the best material I've ever seen!

Engaging story, gorgeous art, good dialoge and plenty of smut. You doing great Alpha0!
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Furrynomous 2019/08/01 04:21:43 No.1624152
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>>1623989

In that scene they were young, experimenting together, but I decided to show them just a tad younger than they appear in the normal comic because I was scared of getting the comic banned: this comic is already pushing in terms of rough sex, even if it's all consensual.

As for Rami: the village without Shabbag is left without its medic. Kicking her out was a way for the Alpha to save his son, a desperate move, but he couldn't leave his people without any assistance. Plus they beat a "confession" out of Rami, making him another "victim" of Shabbag's magic so that he could be publicly rehabilitated.

I really compressed a lot of plot in those 2 pages (and in a lot in tiny details, like the difference in the amount of bruises between MC and Rami), but frankly, I didn't want to bore people with Talon Tribe politics.
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Furrynomous 2019/08/01 14:13:21 No.1624365
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>>1624152
While I appreciate your concern on pacing. I don't mind learning more about the characters and setting.
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Furrynomous 2019/08/01 14:13:37 No.1624366
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>>1624113

Agreed. In all my years reading doujins, this makes god tier.

Edited at 2019/08/01 14:15:38
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Furrynomous 2019/08/01 14:25:01 No.1624373
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>>1624058
I like to think the wolf bottomed. He seems to be pretty into it.
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Furrynomous 2019/08/01 14:30:30 No.1624375
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>>1624365

Alpha can create a separate page - a mini biography of sorts like how the Japanese doujins have.

Edit: On second thought, looking back at husky92's amount of storytelling, I can see it can work well for this comic. White Fang's remains in the cave got me intrigued. Your call Alpha.

Edited at 2019/08/02 16:25:33
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Alpha0 2019/08/02 18:13:08 No.1624978
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>>1624375

I think it's more fun to leave clues and let the readers compose the story themselves, as long as they have enough clues. From what I read from comments, I seem to have hit a good balance.

Before I started I made a storyboard of the entire comic, and while I did change some things from the original plan, I know that most stuff will be properly explained by the end.
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Furrynomous 2019/08/05 18:20:23 No.1626330
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Well I hope this is a longer comic. As i'm enjoying the interactions and dynamics between the demon and wolf. maybe they'll inadvertantly become lovers.
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Furrynomous 2019/08/22 11:21:35 No.1634840
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When is the next page
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Bookwyrm!d1FfOYLPf. 2019/09/13 12:48:34 No.1644386
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>>1634840
https://twitter.com/Alpha0Art/status/1166667796492800002

It might take a while, I think he's got more pressing matters to attend to right now. I'm so sorry for him.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/02 12:25:37 No.1652450
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Furrynomous 2019/10/02 17:15:18 No.1652528
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.......wut
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Furrynomous 2019/10/02 17:36:04 No.1652550
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>>1652452
And they lost me
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Furrynomous 2019/10/02 20:05:53 No.1652609
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I feel like we skipped a page or something. Anyway, this guy seems like one being split into two and now becoming whole again.
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hum... sora 2019/10/02 20:26:56 No.1652619
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So he became demonic too in this dimension? That's what I understood ... I think.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/02 21:53:44 No.1652663
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I think he was a demon from the beginning but lost connection to his demon side or something, the other demon said he was his lost blood or family is what it sounds like
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Furrynomous 2019/10/02 23:26:50 No.1652694
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What I got was that they were originally one entity, and somewhere along the way got split into two - body and spirit. Looking back, the witch woman said something about allowing the chief's son to live. My theory is that she did something and took White Fang's body to house the chief's son's soul. It also talks about her revenge, and mentions in the last page about White Fang finding his own remains
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Furrynomous 2019/10/03 07:54:20 No.1652780
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>>1652694
So the chief's son is effectively
committing suicide by letting the demon's soul back in?
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Furrynomous 2019/10/03 12:00:13 No.1652857
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>>1652780

I doubt that was part of the plan. Once White Fangs mentions bringing them to the abyss, the chief's son gets nervous and tries to convince him to stay where they are. He also mentions something about the old gods not being able to protect him there, and once they are in the abyss, he starts to realize their connection.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/03 12:38:28 No.1652877
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>>1652857
So it's a corruption of the strong and noble kind of story. Alright
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Furrynomous 2019/10/03 19:33:02 No.1653013
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For what I can read he whas exaited and feel attracted to the monster and the monster reciprocates so in my opinion they are one and the same or they are brothers
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Furrynomous 2019/10/03 20:00:21 No.1653018
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yeah, it seems to me that MC and White Fangs are the same being.

Seems like there was something wrong with the chief's youngest son where he probably shouldn't have survived birth, but Shabbag did something (probably evil sexy time magic with the "White Father") to create White Fangs. She split the body and soul so that White Fangs was the soul, and the chief's son had the body, but this magic was not the good ("All Mother") kind, so it has put the tribe in peril ever since.

MC probably thought he was confronting an external evil threatening the tribe, but in reality, he's being made back whole again through evil sexy time magic. And after he is made whole, it will be interesting to see whether he will destroy the tribe or be able to come up with a more creative way forward.
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Mykel Dana 2019/10/27 20:18:17 No.1663328
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in that case, I wish that having sex with MYself was this exciting...
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Mykel Dana 2019/11/01 00:03:23 No.1665088
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White Fangs? I missed something, didn't I?
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Furrynomous 2019/11/01 06:04:19 No.1665191
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The next 2 pages explain everything
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Mykel Dana 2019/11/06 19:25:48 No.1667557
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So... she GAVE him a son (aiding him in his subterfuge), in exchange for a home for herself (a promise she DELIVERED on). And then he breaks the deal by throwing her out when he isn't happy? Convenient! He got a son out of it, completely rendering the issue of his steritiy moot, btw (he technically has a biological son). He never asked for a perfect son, didn't specify... not her fault he didn't get what he wanted.
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Furrynomous 2019/11/06 20:33:43 No.1667570
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>>1667557

It almost makes you want to start rootin' for the monster, now don't it?
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Furrynomous 2019/11/06 23:42:23 No.1667608
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>>1665191

Not really, because now this scene doesn't make sense.

>>1603203

What were you thinking while there in this place?! Like...what was the goal, especially when now we know that these two are really one.
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Furrynomous 2019/11/07 03:19:01 No.1667630
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He could've been lying to the big Whitefangs. You know, use deception. You can't know if he had that boner, because he wanted to bang his other self.
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Furrynomous 2019/11/07 11:16:09 No.1667789
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So the alpha was infertile and essentially begged a forest witch to give him a son in return she gets a place to stay. But once she made her end of the deal he doesn't do his end of the bargain and essentially kicks her to the curb once his son is birthed. Now i want the demon to wreck the villiage. He reaps what he sows.
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Furrynomous 2019/11/15 00:07:12 No.1671504
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Furrynomous 2019/11/15 15:06:05 No.1671701
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The more insane it is, the more likely it will work!

"It takes an idiot to do cool things. That's why it's cool."
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Furrynomous 2019/11/30 03:11:34 No.1678158
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Is it dead?
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Furrynomous 2019/11/30 18:24:30 No.1678417
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No, it's not dead. The artist doesn't follow any schedule, while doing the comic, so the pages don't come out at a regular pace/
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Furrynomous 2019/12/01 09:46:40 No.1678745
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Furrynomous 2019/12/01 09:47:20 No.1678746
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Furrynomous 2019/12/01 13:38:37 No.1678799
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Wat is happening
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Sora 2019/12/01 14:09:42 No.1678812
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Hmm ... I'm not good enough in English to understand everything, but as I understand it both are related, by the father and the witch who is actually their mother. But the giant demon is the fusion of the two? But is not he supposed to be his father?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/01 16:18:36 No.1678844
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>>1678812

Don't worry, I speak English and the repeated jumping back and forth with almost no indication of when or during what time frame is really confusing. Nevermind that the flashbacks seem to show different information. It's not a well-told story. Alpha should've just stuck with straight up monster porn instead of trying to shoehorn in this nonsense.
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Alpha0 2019/12/01 19:52:16 No.1678886
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>>1678812
The "other" father is the entity the witch summoned to conceive, who's the source of the demon/MC powers.

>>1678844
I have to concede that I bit more than I could chew with this comic, it was a big learning experience. My original intent was for it to be a sort of puzzle story, with a fragmented narration and a subversion of trope from shallow furry porn into cosmic horror, but I didn't have the experience to make it work fully (especially I didn't properly mark flashbacks, and this seems to confuse people a lot more than I anticipated, flashbacks should have used a completely different visual language from the main timeline).

I'm not regretting this experiment, but it should not have been my first comic. Next one (when I'll get to it, White Fangs is almost complete) will be straightforward, and will drop the horror slant to go into full comedy, something I'm more used to write and works much better with silly animal porn.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/01 20:13:26 No.1678898
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>>1678886

Yo, it's not the worst comic I've ever seen as far as a "first attempts" goes. It's fractured and difficult to follow, but the basic concept is there.

Next time you want to do a big comic project like this, have a full script ready beforehand. Make sure it flows well, story details are consistent, and if you're going to do flashbacks, make sure they're at least obviously marked if not visually distinct.

For all of everyone's bitching, this is still really hot, so you did that part well :P
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Furrynomous 2019/12/01 21:48:47 No.1678927
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>>1678886
i don't feel the comic is that unclear or disjointed. it isn't THAT hard to see what's now and what's flashback, if you read the captions. i would say it's definitely a comic that benefits from reading it all in one go; reading it a few pages at a time makes it harder to keep track of things.

there's a few questions i have though:
how and why did shabbag turn the demon into flesh, after all these years? why was that "the only thing she could do"?
why is a raccoon a member of a wolf tribe?
where did the demon, just a couple of months old, get his nipple rings?
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Alpha0 2019/12/01 23:00:14 No.1678934
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>>1678927

Shabbag was hoping that the demon once freed would assault the Talon Tribe (eventually killing his own body, the demon had no idea MC/his body was still alive because she lied to him about it since he was born).
It's also likely that, facing actual mortal danger, the Alpha would relent and sacrifice his son, the MC, killing the demon too. In both ways, she would have solved the disaster she created by unleashing a monster.

The demon would have freed himself at some point, regardless of Shabbag's doing, He's clearly shown building a body out of spare animal parts little by little (and likely faster and faster as he grew in power). So she didn't "want" to free him, it was an inevitability: she set things so that the demon would self-destroy.

As for Rami: in origin I wanted to imply that he was a thrall taken from another tribe, to characterize him as even more as an outcast and give him and MC an upper/lower class vibe, but I decided to drop that subplot because the comic was already too long and dense. If i did more pages set within the tribe, I would have portrayed other raccoons as slaves to quietly convey that. The only detail that remains about this is during the trial, where we can see that he was beaten much more and more violently than MC due to his low class.

The piercings: The nose rings and the nipple piercings are a visual representation of the pierced death mask that houses his soul (rings can be seen on both sides). As he grows in power by interacting with MC, he breaks them.

Edited at 2019/12/01 23:01:25
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Fl4sh 2019/12/02 07:17:36 No.1679043
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Thank you for sticking around and explaining the comic. It's great work and I like the story. First and foremost don't let the haters get to you. You surely know how much trolling and bitching is going on here. Take the actual constructive criticism to heart - not the hate.

Can't wait to see this conclude and of course the next comic.
Still hope for a good ending... (good for the nice side of White Fangs and Rami - not the demon).
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Sora 2019/12/02 08:30:14 No.1679066
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>>1678927

Ok, here I understood better.
Simpler when the author explains himself.
We'll say it was the first time you tried this kind of story. I think that your next comic, must also have a good narration. Because here we finally had a story, certainly complex, but original. If you draw a simple story of porn without story, just for stupid fucking, everyone is already doing it. That's why this story was so good. Besides congratulations for having managed to change the way you draw on the spot, I did not recognize that it was you.
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Alpha0 2019/12/02 09:07:47 No.1679074
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>>1679043

The criticism has been pretty constructive so far, and the bitching fairly legitimate. I choose to do a hard comic, so I didn't expect it to be perfect at first try, but I'm still happy I tried to push what could be done within adult furry comics.

>>1679066

Honestly I was very tired of the canon furry porn comic too. 90% of the time I just skim to find those 4-5 money shots diluted in 20 pages, and that's it. I think there's value in simplicity though, and I'll keep it in mind when I'll try again.

The biggest thing for me in this project was to see that I could handle a long form commitment (it will count 32 pages complete) without stopping along the way, despite it being a big financial loss and having a mild reception overall. I think I can trust myself more going forward, and I'll try harder commitments without fear of disappointing those who follow me.

Edited at 2019/12/02 09:12:20
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 10:51:49 No.1679089
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If you want to save yourself a headache next time, Alpha0, work with a writer to write out your idea and the turn it into a comic script. That way you can see the end before going forward.

Edited at 2019/12/02 10:52:09
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sora 2019/12/02 12:59:48 No.1679111
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>>1679066

your idea was good, but we will say that it was a little confused in the approach scenario. The solution, since you are very good in drawing, is to ask for help for the scenario to someone. Because even if your story was a little complex, it changed us banal and boring stories, like the stories in the locker room and so on. In my opinion I think you have to continue with a less complicated scenario, but still with an interesting background. Not just sex for sex. Without romance, it's boring.
I am French I may not be the same vision on the love story as you American.
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Alpha0 2019/12/02 17:28:32 No.1679281
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>>1679089

Actually the story was written and fully storyboarded from the first to the last page (or many things would not match with such a complex plot), but lots of unforeseen events forced some changes (for example Patreon sudden ban of hypnosis and altered states of mind, something that would have had a far bigger role in the original storyboard, really fucked hard with the original script).

In fact, I would say that excessive preplanning made adjustments very awkward and complicated on my side, forcing me to rewrite pages many times. A webcomic isn't a monolithic script that gets green lighted by an editor and executed (and that's something I learned the hard way with this project) a lot has to change based on reader feedback, TOS changing, week-by-week.

It's not that the end story has that many contradictions, to be fair. The story was hard to piece together by design: I wanted to see if readers would have fun untangling the full plot, so it's not a mistake that it's "split" this way, characters lie a lot, some scenes misdirect, and stated intentions are shown to be a facade and later reversed.

In the end I went too far in scope, and was unprepared to execute some parts of it... and engagement suffered. I'd still repeat this experiment as is, because I learned a damn ton. What a ride this was :P

Edited at 2019/12/02 17:34:54
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Mykel Dana 2019/12/02 19:27:51 No.1679326
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so, he has tentacles now?
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Sora 2019/12/02 20:57:49 No.1679345
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>>1679089

we are waiting for the end impatiently! I hope it will be cool. We will give you a constructive opinion. Finally ... I will try with my level of english "cough"
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 21:54:01 No.1679357
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>>1679281
speaking for myself, i'm happy you had to write out the hypnosis.
apart from my personal antipathy towards hypnosis, i also feel it is often used as a crutch by lazy writers - all those pesky motivations and preferences just swirled away!
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Furrynomous 2019/12/03 07:13:12 No.1679507
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>>1679281

But see, here's my own issue with that. Who are you writing for at that point? Are you writing to tell a story that's important to you, or are you for the people paying you?

The reason I ask is that someone is always going to find/take issue with a story, that's a given, but if you have set your narrative where X happens because of Y, aren't you fundamentally changing up your story if you change Y?

George RR Martin actually spoke about that a while back with his own writing, using the analogy of “I’ve been planting all these clues that the butler did it, then you’re halfway through a series and suddenly thousands of people have figured out that the butler did it, and then you say the chambermaid did it? No, you can’t do that,” Martin reportedly said while addressing whether fan theories.

Edited at 2019/12/03 07:14:41
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Furrynomous 2019/12/03 07:15:53 No.1679508
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>>1679281

But see, here's my own issue with that. Are you not writing to placate to a fan base then, instead of writing out a storyline with a preset beginning, middle, and end?

Someone is always going to find/take issue with a story, that's a given, but if you have set your narrative where X happens because of Y, aren't you fundamentally changing up your story if you change Y?

George RR Martin actually spoke about that a while back with his own writing, using the analogy of "I've been planting all these clues that the butler did it, then you're halfway through a series and suddenly thousands of people have figured out that the butler did it, and then you say the chambermaid did it? No, you can't do that." Martin reportedly said while addressing whether fan theories.
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Alpha0 2019/12/03 11:09:59 No.1679619
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>>1679508

I think Martin's quote really refers to good writing in general, to not leave Chekhov's guns hanging around, or suddenly invent deus ex machina to artificially keep interest high (like they did in the GoT live action series).

Having to change things to suit the channel you're using to publish is a pretty normal part of being an artist, especially when the alternative is to disappoint everybody and cut things because you don't have a revenue channel anymore. The uncompromising artist is a romantic myth, or something big authors with a ton of sway can get away with, and sometimes a weapon to attack artists (because it's easier to attack an artist with a high concept and a couple compromises, than one with no concept that just panders).

Compromising something out of necessity is a much different thing than pandering to your fans/audience/editors, where you have no artistic vision and you bend where the wind blows. I may complain that the story would have worked better if the demon/mc sex encounter was configured as a hallucinatory dream journey, but in the end I hit the same points I wanted to hit, and didn't devolve into vore porn, for example, something that was requested a lot when this comic started.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/03 23:46:46 No.1679834
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>>1679281
>>1679619

Does subscribestar have any rules on hypnosis? perhaps you could make an account there and do a "directors cut." version with the original storyboarded plan.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/08 18:47:58 No.1682043
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Furrynomous 2019/12/08 18:48:17 No.1682044
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Furrynomous 2019/12/08 18:48:38 No.1682045
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Furrynomous 2019/12/08 19:29:43 No.1682059
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I'm a bit confused.

What just happened here?!

I thought these two became one? How is breaking the mask destroying their body?! Why is it destroying their body?!

And shouldn't that have some serious consequences for White Fangs, both of them.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/08 23:36:40 No.1682123
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Well this went to shit quick.

It's a shame, because it initially was good because it adhered to a simple formula: repressed tribal gay goes off into the woods to have sex with a monster.

Which by itself is a really hot concept, especially considering the good quality art. But then all this shit about witchcraft and plots within plots and technobabble just ruined it completely.

Way to go, Alpha0.

Tag your damn human shit.

Edited at 2019/12/09 02:44:13
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Furrynomous 2019/12/09 02:09:10 No.1682171
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Stop bitching, it's great. It's one of the best and original things here in a long time
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Furrynomous 2019/12/09 10:55:57 No.1682328
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It's pretty good for a first attempt at a comic. The art in itself is fine but the storytelling and the artistic techniques that supplement that (things like making it obvious what is a flashback, panel direction, etc.) are what's ultimately lacking. So long as the author learns from this, it's a worthwhile endeavor, and they should be glad they undertook it. I'd like to see more from them in the future, once they've tightened up their technique.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/09 12:35:27 No.1682414
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The story isn't too hard to understand tbh. While the sudden changes in the setting can be confusing, it's not too hard to piece together which pages are meant to be together; which ones show the present and which ones are flashbacks.

All in all, the story presented is honestly great and intriguing. The porn and the horror aspect, while they don't go together, give it more depth both ways. It keeps me wanting to know what happens next.

The art is honestly excellent from start up to now. Though yeah, some improvements to the techniques would improve the flow of the story, it's still great. And for a first time drawing a comic, it's a very good first try.

I can't wait to see how this wraps up, and what would Alpha0's next comic if he decides to make a new one.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/09 16:31:44 No.1682474
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I guess the plot suffered because the artist didn't want too much story in his porn comic. It's a pity because the setting is amazing, but it was very rushed.

I wonder if the plan is to have the fox (wolf?) guy sacrifice himself to defeat the demon.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/09 20:54:33 No.1682690
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This is actually a really good story, and I feel like y'all are misinterpreting it.

To be fair, the sequencing in the flashbacks isn't super easy to follow along (I'm not an artist, but the one piece of lay advice I'd give to Alpha0 if anything is that there probably should be some sort of visual grammar to distinguish the parts of the story that occur at different times). However, each new page actually reveals something from before.

I'll spell it out since some of y'all aren't getting it.

Chronologically...

the first event in the story is what's in Shabbag's journal, on pages 23 - 25. The chieftain wants a son, but is infertile, so Shabbag consorts with demons to bear him a child. To avoid bearing an obviously evil demon or having to abort (either of which would result in Shabbag's death), she traps the demonic soul within a fetish (the skull) and the body is born normal (White Fangs, our hero.) It's important to note that White Fangs *is* the name of our hero, but we'll get there later...

Anyway, the other important detail is that even though White Fangs grew up normal, the demonic soul was continuing to grow as well, and was attempting to create his own body. So she had plans to kill White Fangs so that the demonic soul would never find his original body.

Pages 10 and 11 are the next chronologically. White Fangs and Rami are growing up, being gay and fabulous. Rami sees himself as weak -- he would never fit in with the tribe as he is -- so he studies "woman's magic." He knows the difference between deadly poison and Viagra...

But, alas, we get to pages 17 and 18. Shabbag has attempted to tell the chieftain about the need to kill White Fangs, but the chieftain is not willing to face the truth. So instead, the Chieftain must discredit Shabbag as well as her apprentice Rami. Hence, the sham trial. Shabbag avoids incriminating her student by dismissing what he and White Fangs have done. This is actually important later on...Since Shabbag didn't kill White Fangs herself and the Chieftain won't kill him, she launches a plan: give the demon soul its own full body and unleash it on the Talon Tribe. Her hope is that the demon will not recognize White Fangs, and therefore will kill him with the rest of the tribe.

Next are pages 22 and 23. After a few weeks, White Fangs finds Rami again, and then they have reunion sex.

Rami tells White Fangs about all of past events (hence the journal flashback of 23-25), including to devise an alternate plan to achieve Shabbag's goals. White Fangs thinks it's insane, but what exactly is the plan?

White Fangs remembers the plan while he's holding on for some form of life within his fusion with his demon soul (pages 28-29).

Rami tells him to do the following things.

1. Call the demon by the protagonist's name (White Fangs)

2. Wear the charm as long as possible

3. Absorb as much cum as possible.

4. Find the demon's mask, and destroy it.

On page 28, you can also see the tribesman bringing the deer as a sacrifice. That takes us back to page 1, where White Fangs seeks out the demon.

Here, we see that White Fangs has to present himself as depraved and in need of Bid Demon Dick, page 3, but we now know because of page 29 that it's because the magic can only work if he absorbs as much of Demon cum as possible.

White Fangs still has doubts over his ability to maintain his sanity throughout it all. He questions on numerous pages the effectiveness of Rami's wards (e.g., losing the charm on page 6, going to the Abyss on page 19, and so on.)

The story wants us to believe that White Fangs is being corrupted (e.g., 26 and 27), and we aren't quite at the ending yet, but 29 and 30 are supposed to imply that yes, our hero is able to take control (and 29 is notable because the tribesmen still acknowledge Rami and offer him the village's protection, rather than just killing him on sight.)

Are there things that could be improved about the presentation of this story? Sure! But to say that there's "not enough story" because the artist really wanted to focus on porn just totally misses the mark as a criticism.
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Alpha0 2019/12/09 21:37:00 No.1682724
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>>1682414

I think coming next month I'll try to find the time to work on a Director's cut, implementing the suggestions I got from this thread (mostly, marking more clearly the flashbacks).
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Furrynomous 2019/12/09 21:56:54 No.1682728
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>>1682690

Thank you for clearing this up for us, but now you've highlighted a problem.

If the plan was to kill White Fangs much, much earlier, why was that not done? We're shown the needle, but Shabbag never used it.


Also, didn't Shabbag give White Fangs (demon) a physical body? Literally, he's begging for that before while still trapped in the mask.

Also, also, if breaking the mask can kill the demonic White Fangs, shouldn't Shabbag have done that earlier?!? She literally created it to trap him.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/09 23:23:05 No.1682765
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>>1682728
I think because the demon side of white fangs spirit was sustained on ritual ground and the cave he was born on, he couldnt leave them in his made up body. He needed his full body to unleash himself upon the tribe. So as he left the ground that bound him the only other thing was binding the demon to the real world was the mask. Break that and he is no more.

But its just my theory
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just observing 2019/12/10 21:56:45 No.1683109
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It's a good story, but this sudden flashback in fast forward has large gaps. I like the art style. The mask is obviously the anchor between physical and etherial and they did mention before that the demon was slowly building a new body. What seems to be the problem is the amount of time that passes between to story parts.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/17 08:26:20 No.1685887
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Furrynomous 2019/12/17 08:26:44 No.1685888
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Fl4sh 2019/12/17 08:49:41 No.1685898
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Now that was a wild ride! Thank you. In between I thought all hope was lost.
Nice semi good ending.

I loved this comic.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/17 09:01:48 No.1685902
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What a sweet ending! I hope you'll work on another project soon, author. With a little practice, you could easily be great
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Furrynomous 2019/12/17 09:07:15 No.1685904
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while the art was good and the story unique, i don't think this was a good comic, all things considered. a setup that seemed designed for just lewd fun, which is fine, suddenly took a baffling turn into high fantasy. the pacing of it was such that i wasn't able to really care about any of the characters, let alone the creature, so the plot elements failed and didn't do anything to make me care about either. then after the sex scene (which got incredibly weird very very fast), the abrupt end of the comic came in like 5 pages so any investment one may have had with the characters was suddenly lost, and not in a good way.

overall the comic just felt really, really rushed. good art, interesting idea, very poor execution.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/17 09:15:40 No.1685906
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>>1685904

The thing that would have helped was...

A. Put the flashbacks in the foreground to make the setup.

B. Make it clear what the rules regarding both White Fangs were, (i.e What powers does Demon White Fangs have on non-demon White Fangs, and vice versa).

C. Tell us, the audience, exactly what the plan is beforehand, so the ending doesn't feel shoehorned.

D. Explain somewhere in between the beginning and middle what non-demon White Fangs thoughts on the entire point of him being a demon is, and what he would do after he becomes as such.

So, for AlphaO, just a bit of advice, if you have a story that you want to write/draw don't compromise on the story, because otherwise your story/character won't make any sense.

Very nice 1st try though.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/17 10:32:03 No.1685925
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Was kind hoping they'd fuck in the end with that new form but fuck it I guess :(
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Furrynomous 2019/12/17 13:47:57 No.1686003
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>>1685906
while re-arranging the story to be chronological would make it easier to comprehend, it would possibly also make it less exiting, removing the mystery.

>>1685925
adding a re-union sex scene at the end could well make it seem less abrupt, and even sweeter. i'm in favour.


“Remember: when people tell you something’s wrong or doesn’t work for them, they are almost always right. When they tell you exactly what they think is wrong and how to fix it, they are almost always wrong.”
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Alpha0 2019/12/18 01:27:03 No.1686247
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>>1685898
>>1685902
>>1686003

Thanks! I skipped on a sex scene between the two on purpose. It's something I can exploit if I want to return to their story in the future.


>>1685904

That's a fair critique, the pacing was uneven, and I should have put more focus on the protagonists and simplify the intrigue a bit so that it would not take so much space.

That's definitely the main thing I'm learning from this experience, together with being much much more cautious with temporal cuts.

My next work will likely be in visual novel form (this was the result of a Patreon survey). I'm not much into VNs to be honest, but I'm going to exploit the hell out of having a easier time with dialogue length and complex optional exposition.

In any case, thanks for reading Ye Darn Pirates LOL!
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Furrynomous 2019/12/18 06:29:10 No.1686279
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>>1686247
You have no idea how unique and refreshing your response and attitude is about people reading this comic here.

Other artists should take you as an example.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/19 01:29:52 No.1686657
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I think he went with white fangs cause his dick got bigger. Lol
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TigerOne 2019/12/19 04:00:29 No.1686681
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The timeline may look confusing at first but in fact it is not: it looks kinda like a 1990's Tarantino movie in that regard. A very good output for a first try and elegant and beautiful AF like most things made in Italy.

Edited at 2019/12/19 04:01:00
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Furrynomous 2019/12/19 16:59:41 No.1687024
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ok, that finale sure was anticlimactic lol
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TigerOne 2019/12/19 17:11:56 No.1687035
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>>1687024

Anticlimatic and rushed, to be honest. But still very enjoyable overall.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/21 01:05:33 No.1687565
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Rami is gonna try out that demon dick.

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