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Echo Furrynomous 2018/01/23 15:14:33 No.1380195   
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Thread for discussing the in-progress visual novel. Updates are typically monthly.

Download new releases and support the project here: https://www.patreon.com/EchoGame

And check out their twitter account at: https://twitter.com/EchoTheVN
Edited at 2018/01/23 15:16:57
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Furrynomous 2018/01/23 15:15:52 No.1380196
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Putting VNs in /d/ was a terrible idea because nobody goes there. It killed a lot of threads. I'm remaking this here because the mods don't have a concrete policy regarding VNs and they haven't responded to criticism.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/23 16:15:04 No.1380229
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>>1380196
Agreed. Also, here's some fan art I posted on the other thread.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/23 19:34:49 No.1380319
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Thanks, personally I can't find /d/ unless I specifically search for it given my horrible screen can only do so much. I never liked VN being moved...well at least not the unfinished ones, those completed are fine to be moved. Even if they're taking "forever" to be finished they shouldn't be designated just for discussion
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Furrynomous 2018/01/23 19:59:15 No.1380352
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Posted this in the other thread:

>Speaking of unused content in Route 65, there is this text file in the main folder called Textbackup.txt

>It's about an alternative situation where Chase actually gets replies from that dating site, though it's unfinished.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/23 21:55:28 No.1380399
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From Patreon:

Hey guys! Just wanted to share with you the vision we have for this project's direction over the next few months.

So first, this month: I've decided to focus mainly on Leo's route this time around and I'm going to put out an update that's much larger than usual to compensate for just having one this month.

Next month, I will focus mainly on Carl and I will actually try to reach a conclusion for at least one of the paths. Along with the large Carl update at the end of next month, Jenna will also receive another update on the 16th of that month.

Looking toward the spring, we will hold a vote for the next route to get regular updates once Carl's route has concluded. We will also release the Route 65 prequel VN for the lower tiers.

Finally, below is some concept art for a character in an upcoming VN. We wanted to collect the majority of the assets, along with finish most of of the writing for Echo, before starting on this project, so you wont see him for a little while. We can say that it will also revolve around the town of Echo, just in a much earlier time period. It will also feature sprite and CG art by Orang3. We'll let you guys know more in the summer time!

Anyway, thanks again for all of your support. I'm blown away by the enthusiasm people have for this project, even now, over two years in. Take care, and I hope you enjoy the next update!
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Furrynomous 2018/01/23 22:17:43 No.1380412
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>>1380399
This is the image that was talked about in the update. It was posted in /d/ so I thought I'd put it here as well.

From what I've gathered this is the next VN that Howly will work on and will deal with Echo in the past.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/23 22:29:00 No.1380417
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>>1380412

Was labeled -1915- so I guess it is from that time period.

Edited at 2018/01/23 22:33:46
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McSkinny 2018/01/23 23:02:14 No.1380434
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Hey folks, just to clarify, all the files included in 65 that aren't used in game aren't really canon.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/23 23:30:28 No.1380444
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>>1380417
So exactly 100 years earlier. Don't think anything specific happened in 1915 in Chase's monologue though...
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McSkinny 2018/01/24 00:13:35 No.1380458
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With this new thread, I think we should christen it properly with this image of TJ. May our posts here be blessed and spoilers appropriately tagged.

Fanart is by MermaidFarts by the way.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/24 00:25:30 No.1380464
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>>1380458
And here we have the two best husbandos

Now to move EA and Tennis Ace over here too.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/24 01:50:13 No.1380497
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>>1380399
So we will actually see a completed route in the next few months huh
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Furrynomous 2018/01/24 13:30:18 No.1380674
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>>1380352

Seems like there's more to this game than meets the eye. Maybe it'll be updated again? And this fox, I assume he's Kevin, the bus driver's son? Isn't he supposed to be with Brian, considering Kevin and Brian's Bar?
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Furrynomous 2018/01/24 14:31:31 No.1380699
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Am I the only one to think that Carl route is too short to end? Then again I haven not played it start to finish.

>>1380412
This going to be a side, or a full VN?

Edited at 2018/01/24 14:54:41
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Furrynomous 2018/01/24 15:52:18 No.1380729
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okay am i the only who thinks leo's sprite is kinda off somehow?
again with sprite problem.no no he's perfect! throughout the sprite changes the current one is the best.but there's some slight disturbance that prevents me from looking at his face without feeling weird about it.

1.first off, his forehead is kinda too high imo.i don't know whether if i fixed it or i am right about it being wrong, i just think his head is tall.unless of course if that extra height is his hair in a form of a hairstyle then i guess i'm in the wrong here.which brings me to point no.2

2.the shading and lighting around the hair making him look like he has a hairstyle.it's just a personal preference, but i dislike furries with HAIR hair.unless if they are manly looking (i'm gay aight).so just adding a short standing strands of hair making him look a lot better (again imo).

so that's just my problem with leo's sprite.if everyone doesn't feel the same then i guess just ignore this plea (i'm just gonna edit him and use it myself for the game.no big deal.).but if some or most of you do, then howly or whoever in the dev team, please edit leo's face!

Edited at 2018/01/25 15:18:08
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Furrynomous 2018/01/24 19:28:29 No.1380817
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>>1380729
Glad I'm not the only one.
I always thought something was off but couldn't pin point it.
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GrayMech 2018/01/24 22:39:20 No.1380871
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>>1380729
honestly i dont think there is anything inherently wrong with his sprite like an error was made or anything but i find leos design in this sprite... unsettling... something does look off but not with the way it was drawn, just something about his eyes makes me feel like i should stay away from him at all costs...
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Furrynomous 2018/01/25 07:53:55 No.1381090
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>>1380871
Yeah, he has a bit of an off-putting gaze. Not quite the soul-piercing eyes that the sprites in Aego have, but still. Maybe it’s intentional considering his character.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/25 15:01:24 No.1381295
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So the Echo sprite nightmare continues. Luckily I'm just in it for the story >:3
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Furrynomous 2018/01/25 15:12:43 No.1381305
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>>1381251
same thought i had comparing raven and the gangs
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McSkinny 2018/01/25 15:13:03 No.1381307
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>>1381251

Wow, I never noticed that before, I sent this information to Scratch, our sprite artist, and we agreed to add some more leg art for Flynn and adjust his sprite a tad. I made a little mock-up for comparison sake.

Thanks for this tip.

Edited at 2018/01/25 15:14:29
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McSkinny 2018/01/25 16:10:27 No.1381373
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>>1381329

No worries. Again, thank you for showing us the problem so we can fix it. It has been a bit of a hellish two and a half years with regard to sprite artwork adjustments, as many of you have witnessed. This is a quick fix though and we're rather happy with the work Scratch is doing, the talented canine he is.

Speaking of which, several new sprites are in development and you should hopefully see them implemented in-game in the next few weeks for the coming updates.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/26 03:29:20 No.1381619
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>>1381307

If you're making edits, could we get an edit to fix Raven's facial expression? His left eye looks like it's misaligned with his right. It's kind of off-putting consider how cute of a character he is. TJ also kind of suffers from the same problem as Flynn, it's just not as noticeable. He should at least be taller than Jenna.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/26 14:00:30 No.1381766
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>>1381619
Think was the old one

Edited at 2018/01/26 14:02:55
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Furrynomous 2018/01/26 14:00:31 No.1381767
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>>1381766
And it looks like it was fixed in latest update

Edited at 2018/01/26 14:03:16
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Furrynomous 2018/01/26 16:41:26 No.1381828
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>>1381766

I never noticed the change. That is nice.

>>1381650

Now that you mention it, I think you're probably right. TJ is also supposed to be one of the smaller members of the group IIRC, and it makes him cuter. One edit I would suggest, though, is making his balls and sheath on his nude sprite bigger. The disconnect between the bulge he has on his normal sprite and his small balls and sheath is noticeable.
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e money 2018/01/27 09:48:09 No.1382151
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yeah this game is really interesting.
I've been watching Deckerlink play through this game. He wanted to do Leo but the fanbase wanted Carl, then moved onto Jenna(extremely short) and now he finished TJ and went back to Jenna and now he's gonna do Leo(Leo has huge anger and control issues) and then Flynn. They make Flynn just unlikeable character it seems like he gets about of screen time and playthroughs of his route.
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NS 2018/01/27 19:40:24 No.1382313
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>>1382229
I think in case of Flynn it was an intentional decision to make him unlikeable in the beginning, due to what his route is all about. It just works better if you have some experience with other characters first.

I cannot be sure, but it just seems like an example of the writer guiding you when choosing the path. Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/01/28 11:23:25 No.1382603
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Still haven't played it, but I a lot of people is talking about it, so I should at least give it a try.

>>1380412
>>1380195

I really like the art style of these two images, they remind me of blackcat comics.

But why the in-game sprites are not similar ?
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McSkinny 2018/01/28 11:45:15 No.1382610
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>>1382603

This is because the sprites and those two pieces of artwork were all done by three different artists. Orang3 will be doing the spritework for Echo: 1915, Stranj does our CG and scene illustrations, and Scratch does our spritework for the base game.

Edited at 2018/01/28 11:49:34
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Furrynomous 2018/01/28 14:38:11 No.1382663
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>>1380412
They posted some emotive sprites of this character
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Furrynomous 2018/01/28 14:38:13 No.1382664
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>>1382663
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Furrynomous 2018/01/28 14:38:14 No.1382665
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>>1382663
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Furrynomous 2018/01/28 15:20:42 No.1382688
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>>1382663
>>1382664
>>1382665
>tfw when spinoff characters have more emotion than the main game
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McSkinny 2018/01/28 20:41:59 No.1382783
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>>1382753

Yes.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/29 16:50:15 No.1383184
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>>1382663
>>1382664
>>1382665
wow really good job!
I like these far more than the current sprites
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Furrynomous 2018/01/29 19:08:42 No.1383222
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>>1382753
I'm already looking forward to the year 2020 when sprite disputes in this project have finally settled.

But shitposting aside, I'm looking forward to any new content this gets.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/29 20:34:45 No.1383261
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>>1383184
In all honesty, I'm a bigger fan of the current sprites. While I think Orang3's stuff looks great, Echo's current sprites, from the style down to the coloring, just fits.

Edited at 2018/01/29 20:35:23
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Furrynomous 2018/01/29 20:42:48 No.1383267
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>>1383261
Agreed why not use current sprite artist? I like it and would all look the same. Echo does not really say animu to me but I know people like that...
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Furrynomous 2018/01/30 09:49:17 No.1383487
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>>1383267
>>1383261

While I think the 1915 sprites look really good, I kind of agree with this. At the same time, however, it might be a good idea to make 1915 look different because it's so far in the past. There is also something to be said for having the same artist do the CG and spritework. The different between the CG and the sprites in the main game is kind of noticeable.

Edited at 2018/01/30 09:52:06
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Furrynomous 2018/01/30 09:52:59 No.1383488
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I wonder how 1915 is going to handle gay relationships given the time period and all.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/30 13:06:01 No.1383528
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>>1383488
Maybe you'll be female lol
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Furrynomous 2018/01/30 23:15:08 No.1383806
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I patronized Echo back when it had the characters' original sprites, and I liked how much more emotion they seemed to show. The newer ones still strike me as rather... blank. Like, everyone's just staring into the middle distance with their mouths hanging open. Flynn's is much more distinctive and contains a lot of his personality, but everyone else just seems a bit gormless.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/31 05:25:40 No.1383944
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>>1383806
I have seen the same thing in a lot of VNs and I think it has to do with making the base sprite not have much emotion. It is the same for some characters in Blackgate and it is better than the sprites in Aego staring RIGHT at you. It will get better with emotive sprites. Either way, these are our sprites and I am happy with them and if the creators are listening DO NOT change them again. You will never make everyone happy, just look at the way people started complaining about the 1915 sprites ALREADY.

Edited at 2018/01/31 05:31:37
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Furrynomous 2018/01/31 11:58:39 No.1384059
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so when's the next update?
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Furrynomous 2018/01/31 14:38:27 No.1384166
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>>1384059
According to Patreon, today.
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Furrynomous 2018/01/31 19:25:15 No.1384286
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I'm a little bit confused about where Echo is supposed to be. The game mentions it being off Route 93, but it also mentions Coalville, which is next to the IRL Echo. The Route 65 mentioned in the prequel connects to Echo. The reference to Route 93 could be correct if Chase drove through Salt Lake City to get to Echo, which isn't too far from the turn off. I believe a Pueblo is mentioned a few times, but the only Pueblo I can find is in Colorado. There's a Payton mentioned as well, but the only Payton I can find is North Payton near Phoenix. In regards to the geography, Arizona makes the most sense to me considering the Indian reservations and the climate.

Edited at 2018/01/31 19:25:27
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Furrynomous 2018/01/31 19:29:30 No.1384290
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>>1383944

I think Leo's could do with a bit of a touch up (He's missing his anchor), and Carl could do with darker lines around his left (From our perspective) arm. Leo also seems to be missing his anchor. TJ's nude sprite could do with being a bit better endowed. He also seems to be missing nipples, but then that could be because of his fur.

Edited at 2018/01/31 19:30:24
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McSkinny 2018/01/31 21:56:05 No.1384371
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Build 0.24 Released









WIN: http://www.mediafire.com/file/pc69zjajnnmtcyr/Echo-0.24-win.zip
MAC: http://www.mediafire.com/file/qoel9c84c8tkspr/Echo-0.24-linux.tar.bz2



Big Leo update! Along with some typo fixes.



Change Log:

-Leo's route updated

-Multiple typos fixed
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>>1384286

All locations are fictional, though with some basis in real-world American Southwestern geography. The Echo in the story takes a mix of inspiration from Echo, Utah and Vulture City, Arizona. The exacts are left intentionally vague.

When writing Route 65, I was more inspired by U.S. Route 66 and its decaying roadside towns than the actual Utah State Route 65 (which is rather verdant and connects to a lovely mountain camping area).

Edited at 2018/01/31 23:28:27
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NS 2018/02/01 01:48:57 No.1384460
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"Toby, I've a feeling we're not in Arizona anymore."

Also, interesting to see the theme of Flynn's route appearing in another one for the first time. And with its nature so clearly defined.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/01 23:21:59 No.1385031
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That update was so intense.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/01 23:35:57 No.1385060
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>>1384371

Kudzu really is best boy. If something happens to him I'm going to be livid.

Excellent update, by the way. Pretty successfully evokes tension and dread without relying on cheap tactics.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/02 01:36:21 No.1385104
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tfw leo calls chase 'babe' and no ones calling him out on his shit.

(granted he has a gun so maybe thats a smart idea.)
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Furrynomous 2018/02/02 07:18:30 No.1385234
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Where do the background images with the filters come from? Are they stock images from the game platform? That school in particular I'd like to know more about.
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McSkinny 2018/02/02 12:07:29 No.1385340
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>>1385234

Images utilized come from google, and Howly uses only images that have been marked for commercial re-use.

>>1385104

I was more amazed by the whole 'honey' comment, heh.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/02 14:13:42 No.1385412
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>>1385104
>>1385340

Leo is mad jealous of Kudzu being anywhere near Chase at this point, and it's pretty clear why. The two have really good chemistry, and if Kudzu is gay (can't remember if this was just likely or all but confirmed) and has a thing for Chase (seems like) then Leo has every right to be scared and trying to shut that down.

I don't hate Leo like some folks do, I definitely empathize with him in that he is terrified of losing someone he loves that he was lucky enough to find in such a low population area, and who at one point returned those feelings...but...

I'd rather see Chase end up with Kudzu, tbh. Seems like it would be a much healthier relationship. I know it's super unlikely, but this update was really fun because it clearly toyed with the idea, and we got to see Leo's reaction to it, which clearly didn't win him any points with Chase.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/02 17:42:53 No.1385470
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>>1385412
I'm with you on that. Leo is still the one I go to on this game, despite leaning towards Kudzu, the guy is just not stable. The one he loved left everything/one and we can only hope once they become committed to each other then Chase being around will restabilize Leo. He can't properly stabilize until all this shit evens out
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Furrynomous 2018/02/02 19:51:52 No.1385515
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>>1385412
>>1385470

I don't think how Chase, Leo, and the others are reacting is entirely their own faults. We know that Chase has been controlled by something for the last three or four years, and that it has changed his personality from snarky shit to mellow. Flynn thinks he has been controlled by something in the past, and Chase seems to recognise it somewhat, although he chalks it up to disassociation. I think that Leo, like Carl and Jenna, is being controlled by something, and that it's playing on his emotions, particularly his intense fear of loss, which seems to have come about due to Sydney's death. TJ also shows signs of being controlled by something when he lashes out in the motel. I think that only after all of the characters have been freed from whatever is controlling them will we truly get to see who they are and how they act.

Edited at 2018/02/02 19:53:02
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C: 2018/02/05 07:44:13 No.1387160
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>>1385515

I think you're right, its been heavily implied that something is controling the character and making decisions for them, even in Chase case, some of the choices you make seems like there is something actually giving an order to Chase or trying to change the way he feels about something. Examples of that are on Flynn's route and Carl's respectively.

So far the only ones who don't seem affected by anything are Raven and Kudzu. Problem is that we, as the player don't know how they behave normally, neither does Chase know, so we don't know if thats how theu usually

At the end of the day what ever it is thats affecting these guys is making specifics traits in them more exagerated.

Flynn being an asshole
Carl being a shut-in
Leo's obssesive behaviour
Tj's paranoia
Jenna's.... we don't know much about Jenna's route or back story to know that, so far she only seems affected in Carls route, she's not really relevant in other routes so far (aside from her own of course).

Edited at 2018/02/05 09:15:04
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Furrynomous 2018/02/05 09:26:41 No.1387197
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I feel like whatever it is thats affecting the town was kept at bay by the native people, and i think jennas native right? So it could be using her as a proxy to get revenge on the town for runing a good thing. Maybe they kept it happy with sacrifice or something?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/05 11:56:51 No.1387238
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>>1387160

I think she has PTSD from her shit childhood. She also mentions that she used to hallucinate as a child. Aggression could be her thing considering how she acts in Carl's route.

Edited at 2018/02/05 12:05:55
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Furrynomous 2018/02/05 12:04:24 No.1387240
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>>1387197

Jenna is part native IIRC. There does seem to be some native involvement, considering the guy with the drum that shows up outside the cabin in the shadow realm. According to Leo's recent update, whatever is affecting the town is ancient, and has been there for potentially millions of years. It seems to be some kind of primal evil that is located in the mine. Whatever is controlling the characters seems to be something unrelated that was drawn to the source of evil in the town. I think it's probably a malevolent spirit that feeds off of fear and emotion. It probably sacrifices people to whatever is in the mine so that it can continue feeding on people undisturbed. A kind of twisted symbiotic relationship. I have no idea how the creature that killed Duke and has been stalking the characters fits into this, although it seems to be related. Probably another symbiote that gets something from all of the death and madness.

Edited at 2018/02/05 12:05:40
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Furrynomous 2018/02/05 12:30:35 No.1387246
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>>1387240

I could be completely wrong, though. I originally thought, back when the routes were a lot shorter, that the characters were all suffering severe mental illness from something that was in the water, maybe mercury or something similar. The game alludes to water on several occasions, although that makes sense now considering the evil in the mine has made the air and water "bad."
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C: 2018/02/05 13:26:48 No.1387286
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>>1387246

I would bet that the water is a factor in all the shit going on, while it may not be the science stuff, like mercury in the water as you say, but i have no doubt in my mind that the water is AT LEAST a factor in the mass hysteria going on.

The real question is, how does all these pieces fit together?, the water, ghosts, evil spirits, weird gory slenderman-like criatures, the creepy 4th wall breaking evil entity and... Sydney.

Just what. The. Hell. Does Sydney have to do with anything, apart from being a ghost thats going to haunt the cast he seems way more involved than other things.

Edited at 2018/02/05 13:28:47
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Furrynomous 2018/02/05 13:36:12 No.1387292
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>>1387286

This is one of the main reasons why the game is so good. We have no idea what the hell is going on in the town, other than it's evil and beyond conventional understanding. That kind of Lovecraftian horror works great in any setting, but the combination of it with realistic characters and a romance subplot is what makes the game what it is. The fact we're being drip fed the information only makes the mystery better. When I was playing Leo's route, I began to get scared that something was going to happen to him. I felt the same way on Carl's route, and TJ's has me thinking that something similar is going to happen there. Even on Leo's route, where TJ isn't the love interest, how he acted in the motel was kind of disturbing. It seemed like the innocence and innate kindness he had before was just gone.

I don't know if the water is the main reason, but Leo's update seemed to suggest that both the air and water in the town are tainted in some way. Whether that's tainted with toxins, tainted with evil, or tainted with the bad atmosphere the town gives off, I have no idea.

Sydney is an interesting case. Flynn's update made me think that he's stuck in limbo between life and death. Maybe he's not haunting the cast, but instead crying for help? How did you come to that conclusion anyway? It never crossed my mind before.

Edited at 2018/02/05 13:40:31
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McSkinny 2018/02/05 14:23:13 No.1387318
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Clep_Face made some neat telegram stickers for Echo. You can find them here: https://twitter.com/Clep_face/status/960371949057617925

Edited at 2018/02/05 14:24:54
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Vic Venom 2018/02/05 15:30:48 No.1387366
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>>1387318
Does he judge in the same kind of broken Spanish as on this (old) screenshot? Hehe~
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McSkinny 2018/02/05 16:54:45 No.1387419
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>>1387366

Never gonna let me live that down, are ya? Heh.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/05 17:17:05 No.1387430
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>>1387286
I wonder if there's some big reveal at the end that explains everything, because that would kinda spoil the story in other routes.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/05 17:26:32 No.1387438
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>>1387430

I think what happens in each route is probably unique to the character you chose to focus on. You'll probably have to play them all to get the full picture, and even then, the whole thing may not be revealed. There's no guarantee that the characters will find out what is happening. After all, the routes could very end with them just getting away.

Edited at 2018/02/05 17:26:53
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Furrynomous 2018/02/06 05:59:05 No.1387741
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>>1387455
My guess is that the spiders are less a physical entity of their own and more a representation of Chase's mental state slipping, causing him to hallucinate his greatest fear or something similar.

I could be wrong though, especially considering that the devs have cited Stephen King as an inspiration.
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route 65 Furrynomous 2018/02/07 10:08:28 No.1388228
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does anyone know if theres a way to uncover the secret thing that Leo was hiding from chase or is that going to be revealed later??? is there a specific list of choices that have to be made or is it not possible yet?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/08 16:28:19 No.1388848
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>>1388228

It's not revealed in the game. It might be in Echo itself later on.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/10 10:03:52 No.1389698
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A few things I wanted to mention. The dialogue box could do with being a line bigger. It doesn't expand when sentences get bigger than what it looks like it was designed to accommodate, which means the last line is displayed over the anchor and the line and the bottom, which looks really awkward.

I don't know if this fits Echo, but I look how in Tennis Ace the MC's face shows up at the side when he's talking. It might be an idea to have Chase's face show up in the corner when he talks. We actually don't get to see him too often.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/12 22:39:05 No.1391076
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Hey all. Can someone spoonfeed me how far each of the routes currently go?

Haven't checked this VN out since its initial development, been in a VN mood lately and want to know how much there is to read.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/12 23:19:47 No.1391090
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What exactly do you want to know? The farthest routs atm are leo and carls routs, tj being a second then flynn and jenas as the shortest. There are no days after...saterday i think? It just continues on
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Furrynomous 2018/02/13 11:56:27 No.1391374
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>>1391090
I basically just wanted to know which ones were longest and if any were complete/nearly complete. I like to run through the routes from the shortest to the longest if there's a big disparity in their lengths. And if a route is going to be finished in the next month or so I'll just wait for it to be done, it seems like Carl's route is almost done and he was my favorite of the bunch anyways so I might just wait to do his.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/13 12:49:49 No.1391410
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The farthest along are leo and carl and i think they said those two are the closest to being done so far. Outside of that none of them are done yet
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Furrynomous 2018/02/13 15:45:15 No.1391447
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>>1391374

Carl's is slated to be finished in the next few months, and then Leo's after that, and probably TJ's and Flynn's, with Jenna's last. Howly said another two years should do it IIRC.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/13 23:01:21 No.1391654
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From the way Leo's route is progressing, the ending is totally going to be one of the non-romantic endings isn't it? I wouldn't be surprised if the route where supposedly everyone survives would be non-romantic.

Chase and Leo seem to be the only pair that's drifting apart the further the story goes. Heck, even Jenna's route have some flirtatious scenes if you chose to be bisexual.

With all this chaos in Echo, it doesn't look like there will be a right time for Chase and Leo to discuss their relationship problems regarding the phone and obsessiveness. It'll probably end up with Chase deciding to sort out these issues with Leo first before entering an official relationship with him.

Edited at 2018/02/15 02:03:31
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Furrynomous 2018/02/14 15:30:20 No.1391829
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>>1391668
I've gone through Leo's route after not looking at the phone, things are just peaceful, no arguments like at the diner. Unless of course the game ends badly but so far nothing
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NS 2018/02/14 22:04:20 No.1391952
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>>1391829
Oh. I actually have to play that route and choose to check the phone, seems like I missed out on some tense moments.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/16 01:00:00 No.1392420
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This was mentioned on Patreon recently, but I haven't seen anyone post it here.

Apparently Howly is working on a side project VN when he's too burned out on Echo. He's emphasized that it's not a priority like Echo and 1915 are, so don't expect much, just something he's doing for fun. It's a more light-hearted, sci-fi VN.

Edited at 2018/02/16 02:50:59
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Furrynomous 2018/02/16 01:00:01 No.1392421
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>>1392420
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Furrynomous 2018/02/16 02:25:36 No.1392446
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>>1392420
>>1392421
This is the first time I've heard of this, very interested :o

>>1391668
Does looking at his phone actually change anything? Aside from different dialogue in the diner scene, I'm not sure.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/16 05:59:17 No.1392484
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>>1392420
Who's the artist, HAPS?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/16 06:47:43 No.1392495
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>>1392446

As of now, it doesn't change anyhting except for the diner scene. But I would expect this particular choice to matter in the long run. It's a VN, after all, our choice are bound to have at least some impact on the storyline. If not, then what's the point ?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/16 11:21:31 No.1392558
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>>1392446

It has to come up again. It's such a big plot point.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/16 11:52:39 No.1392567
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>>1392420
I dont like scifi that much but cute character
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Furrynomous 2018/02/16 15:35:55 No.1392628
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>>1392446
I thought it was Tuler but yeah, the artist is Haps
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 07:47:30 No.1392937
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>>1392420
There was this one too
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 09:43:03 No.1392994
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>>1392628
I'll admit, their style have a lot of similarities.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 19:52:30 No.1393189
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From the Patreon:

Echo 0.24-Jenna Update (For PC and Macintosh)

Here is a Jenna update with the introduction of a new character, Micha the Pallid Bat!

Do be aware that if this is your first time playing Jenna's route in a long while (before the previous Jenna update), I would recommend not using your old save and instead using the built in "Skip" and "Fast Forward" functions from the beginning. This is to avoid some errors associated with the new script flags that trigger near the beginning of the game that did not exist before.

- McSkinny

Change Log:

-Jenna's Route Updated

-New Character Micha with sprite art (and new* Chase sprite art)

-Multiple typos/continuity issues fixed for the Leo and Jenna Routes

-Some Leo Route background imagery updated

Edited at 2018/02/17 19:55:28
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 20:33:47 No.1393200
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>>1393189

I'm guessing Micha is the equivalent of Kuzdu and Raven for Jenna?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 20:34:30 No.1393201
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>>1393189

I'm guessing Micha is the equivalent of Kuzdu and Raven for Jenna? They haven't gotten a new $100 patron, so this must be an in house character.

I might have forgotten, but I didn't expect a Jenna update. I thought Carl was next, but this is very welcome. Jenna needs more love, she's a great character.

Edited at 2018/02/17 20:35:49
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 20:43:06 No.1393208
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Where have I seen that really bad drawing of the red wolf (Leo) and fox before? Also, it's great to see that Chase sprite, even if it is only briefly. It's really well done.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 21:51:16 No.1393230
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It dawned on me that the wolf in Carl's picture is probably Leo, or maybe the thing that is controlling him. This image shows up in the background when "Jared" is calling you. It's obviously Leo, Chase, and Jenna.

Edited at 2018/02/17 21:51:43
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 00:12:32 No.1393289
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>>1393230
doing some adjustment and stuff, prolly is

Edited at 2018/02/18 03:30:51
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 00:16:55 No.1393291
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>>1393289
Ooh, spooky
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 00:52:08 No.1393297
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can someone put up the download link plox
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update links Furrynomous 2018/02/18 01:22:15 No.1393313
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WIN:http://www.mediafire.com/file/42jkzkcfa7bcdve/Echo-0.24-Jenna-win.zip

MAC:http://www.mediafire.com/file/vl30ync8y42747k/Echo-0.24-Jenna-mac.zip
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 07:33:57 No.1394391
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I feel like Jenna's route is going to end up with the most of the cast dead depending on what happens with Leo becoming more and more antagonistic and only at Thursday so far.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 08:18:38 No.1394398
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>>1394391

I don't think he'd do that. He did leave instead of flipping out. I think Carl must be in the hotel and that's why they can't find him. Also, did anyone get a vibe at Carl's house and Jeremy's trailer that Chase was acting more like the bitchy guy he used to be?
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NS 2018/02/20 16:46:09 No.1394598
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>>1394510
Well, technically if you decide to snap back, 'you' in the game basically enables that part of Chase's personality to resurface.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 21:08:20 No.1394688
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From Patreon:

1915-Finished Sprite

Well *almost* finished, still have some work to do on the claws and nether region, but after the vote we decided to go with the sharper lines!


Art is by Orang3
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NS 2018/02/21 06:11:48 No.1394852
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>>1394688

Well, William's looking great!

Mh, having 1915 in mind though, what is the official timeline of the events now? The beginning of the story mentions "something happening in the 1920s", while the narration Chase records the next day says the mass hysteria happened around 1877. If I recall correctly, the dates have been changed at some point.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 18:25:14 No.1395146
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>>1394852

I don't think they have been changed. Is William the same guy that got his legs cut off?

Also, I hope Vanishing Paradise is put back in somehow. I like the current menu theme, so maybe it could switch after you complete a route? Vanishing Paradise always reminds of the earlier builds.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 18:47:55 No.1395154
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>>1394688
that guy is the only hot one in this game tbh
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NS 2018/02/21 23:14:16 No.1395271
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>>1395146

So I did a quick check:
1. In the very first built the date of the mass hysteria event was around 1910 - there were definitely some changes to the timeline. Question is, is the current version correct...? Chase basically says he's in Echo to make a project about one event, but states two different dates.
I'd have to check the dates in Carl's route as well though.

2. That was a different guy, Spoiler But for some reason I had the same thought as you, even before you mentioned it. Huh.

3. Vanishing Paradise is used in Carl's route during the scene Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 16:10:17 No.1395617
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>>1395271

1877 is when the body was found in the mine. That caused the mass hysteria. Begay was lynched in 1875 for being gay. This might have triggered the problems with the mine creature, which seems to have been dormant at the time. Leo's route mentioned it's ancient, and Arizona was the home of several native tribes (Just as it is now) before the colonisation, so they must be involved somehow. The native guy you hear drumming on Carl's route seems to suggest this. The natives must have had some way to keep the creature in check, which was lost when the area was colonised.

I went through Leo's route and the documentary Chase finds says that Robert Smith died in 1952. You're right that Chase mentions at the start something that happened in the 1920's. He doesn't expand upon it, though. Each route drip feeds you information about the various things that happened in the town, so maybe we just haven't gotten far enough in a route to get that information yet? Carl's seems to be focused around Begay and 1877, while Leo's is focused around Smith and 1952, and TJ's and Flynn's are focused around what happened to Sydney. Jenna's might focus on Begay, or it might focus on the 1920's. It's too early to tell for sure, but I doubt we'll end up in the hotel on two routes, so the 1920's seems more likely to me for Jenna's route.

Edited at 2018/02/22 16:34:54
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 16:33:46 No.1395623
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>>1395617
>Begay
>being gay
lmao thats very subtle
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 16:50:19 No.1395659
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>>1395623

I'm pretty sure it's a sly reference to the character that became Jenna. She was originally conceived as a flirty male fox when the game was in it's early pre-Patreon stages.

Edited at 2018/02/22 17:46:52
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 17:35:36 No.1395670
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>>1395623
It's a common last name for Native Americans, specifically Navajo, so it sort of makes sense.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 17:53:51 No.1395676
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>>1395670

Okay, that kind of throws a wrench into the reference. Maybe it is just her surname, then. The Navajo live pretty close to some of the highways the game describes as being close to Echo, so Jenna may well be part Navajo. We know she's native to some degree, of course, but it has never been mentioned what tribe she descends from.

>>1395665

I wonder how much that has to do with the hysteria. Could it be that the town wasn't aware of the supernatural goings on because it had only bee founded a few decades before, or could it be that Begay's death woke up the creature? Was he responsible for keeping the evil contained? Maybe as a shaman, or something else? If the shamanic knowledge of the natives was lost after the town was founded, did that unleash the evil?

So many questions, so many possible answers. Howly truly has created a unique story.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 21:12:33 No.1395729
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>>1395676

Jenna and her ancestor John are apart of the Meseta tribe (Spanish for Mesa). This is mentioned in game in I think Carl's route. Like most places and groups in this universe, it is a made up name based off reality. In this case, the real word equivalent tribe that Jenna would be apart of are the Navajo.
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NS 2018/02/23 09:39:39 No.1395962
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>>1395617

Thanks for checking these things.
There might be something happening in the 1920s, there's definitely something that warrants a game set in 1915. We get a little bit of info about various strange happening in the history of Echo and you're right it might yet be explored in one of the routes - but that just sounded like something significant. It just feels strange that there's that one specific mention at the beginning of the game and nothing afterwards, especially in the timeline Chase was recording.

When it comes to Robert, I'm not sure how important would he be to the entire story, he might just be a random victim of this town, though the fact Chase has a dream involving him and some of Robert's thoughts intruded his own at one point makes me wonder if "you" in the game (I don't know how to call that thing) had something to do with him. A previous host, or attempted one?
I have a theory that this entity might be trying to get away from Echo for good, but is not really able to - and the intro monologue ("I knew you'd be back, you always come back") is actually directed at it. A guy passing by like Robert could be seen as an option to move away.
It's very hard to judge yet though. There is certainly a number of beings in the town, but it's difficult to tell yet which are individual and which are just different manifestations of the same creature. Is "shadow chase" and the "different font" the same as "you", or are they associated with the monster - or maybe they're something else completely?

>>1395676

As for the situation with John and James, it should be pointed out that there's something more sinister to the entire story - with native children going missing. That part could also have something to do with the hysteria.

And yes, it's such a great story and fascinating universe, on so many levels...
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Furrynomous 2018/02/23 11:35:54 No.1395996
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Has it been said where Chase's parents live now?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/23 19:49:14 No.1396200
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>>1396008

At least he doesn't live too far from Leo if they actually do get back together. And the same if he gets with Carl or Flynn.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/23 21:30:11 No.1396240
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According to the short stories and prequel VN, Chase's parents are very nice and understanding people. Chase mentions to Jenna that his dad adores Leo and that his mom is mostly supportive of their relationship, but still wants grandkids someday.

I think that's about all that's said of his parents.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/24 08:44:50 No.1396423
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>>1396240

The vibe that I got off them from Route 65 is that Chase's dad doesn't care that he's gay and maybe already knew, while his mother isn't quite as accepting.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/25 21:54:10 No.1397544
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Can someone share the new update ?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/25 23:28:37 No.1397585
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The most recent update is posted here, just look up my guy
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Furrynomous 2018/02/26 08:02:15 No.1397781
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The menu art from the small VN Howly is also planning.

"A glimpse into the world of Adastra, along with the logo!

Art is by BlackSunDi, check her out on FA

In other news, Carl's route is coming along fairly well. Shoooouuld be able to get Route A done by the release at the end of this month!"
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Furrynomous 2018/02/28 20:07:48 No.1399114
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New update posted on Tumblr/Patreon
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Build 0.25 - The End (or at least one of them)

WIN:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/cb25hocgkd5xrwq/Echo-0.25-win.zip

MAC:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/0a4ajt3pwbb8ajl/Echo-0.25-mac.zip

We have reached the end! Well...at least one of them. Let us know what you guys think of Carl's first conclusion! Note that the Jenna update is the same one that was patron-exclusive for two weeks.

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Change Log:

-Jenna's route updated

-Micah's sprite implemented

-Carl's Path A completed

Edited at 2018/02/28 20:16:27
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Build 0.25 Furrynomous 2018/02/28 20:12:11 No.1399115
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WIN:http://www.mediafire.com/file/cb25hocgkd5xrwq/Echo-0.25-win.zip
MAC:http://www.mediafire.com/file/0a4ajt3pwbb8ajl/Echo-0.25-mac.zip



We have reached the end! Well...at least one of them. Let us know what you guys think of Carl's first conclusion! Note that the Jenna update is the same one that was patron-exclusive for two weeks.



Change Log:

-Jenna's route updated

-Micah sprite implemented

-Carl's Path A completed
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Furrynomous 2018/02/28 21:54:34 No.1399139
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well fuck me with a chainsaw and call me sally, Echoes did something BG couldn't. Complete a route.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 00:08:10 No.1399219
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Fucking hell, that was some ride. Each update consistently outdoes the previous. It's insane.

So they were really in Echo after all, they just couldn't see it because of the ghostly influence. The dry wall on the plates instantly reminded me of the chalky sandwiches.

I must admit that the thought of Chase ending up so badly hurt is harrowing. I can't wait to see how route B ends. Hopefully without him ending up injured, but I have a feeling it's going to be the bad ending.

Edited at 2018/03/01 00:10:31
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 03:23:20 No.1399280
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Holy shit a finished route, I can't believe this is actually real. It's quite something to see it actually finish after following this project for ~2.5 years.
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NS 2018/03/01 03:33:16 No.1399282
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Ah, that feels almost surreal. Never doubted this VN would eventually get there, but still.
I really like how it turned out in the end - and how it only addresses a small fraction of the whole mystery.

Also, knowing what we know now - a little bit of fridge horror for you:

Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 03:47:04 No.1399284
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>>1399282
That's... kind of hot. TBH
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 03:58:31 No.1399285
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>>1399282
Actually makes me wonder what else hints towards James in the nightmare mansion.

Spoiler

Edited at 2018/03/01 04:43:46
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 04:06:10 No.1399311
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>>1399285
Also, Spoiler

Edited at 2018/03/01 04:06:26
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 05:46:38 No.1399336
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This was a really, really good update. I am very satisfied with this ending and how it turned out. It also makes me want to know more about the other paths and what all else is happening.

One thing I really love about Echo is how it gives so much foreshadowing, and hints about what's going on in the town, and how much sense it makes once new updates come out that reveal information.

Echo is easily my favorite visual novel, and I'm really, really excited to see what else will happen in future paths.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 09:53:11 No.1399390
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aww, chase and carl don't end up as lovers at the ending. But i'm extremely satisfied with it. He's still best boy after all.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 10:19:20 No.1399396
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no lover? *prepare for ear rape*
W H A T
that makes no sense!
and whats supposed to mean Carl A ? Are there two routes of Carl? If yes where this route change is supposed to happen? i dont care about the twink, the asshole, the thottie or the obsessive ex. I want the big and shy dude in all ways all mine
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NS 2018/03/01 10:47:55 No.1399410
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>>1399396

It does make a lot of sense storywise. And they remain close enough that something might happen between them in the future, if you use your imagination. Spoiler

Also, I just realized something about the theme of this route: Spoiler

Edited at 2018/03/01 10:48:46
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 11:22:26 No.1399421
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You know I had to do it to em
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 11:39:31 No.1399434
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but what if the otter was the one who needed him?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 13:03:52 No.1399465
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anyone can summarize all the plot in carl's route? carl's story begin in like 2016 and i didn't bother to reread it everytime there's an update.so i kinda don't understand the conclusion of his route or how this became that and all of that.and what about the choice where we persuade him giving up on letting james take him over? is that gonna branch out into other different side route? i tried to replay it and it still stucks on a "to be continued" from a long update ago.so i guess it will be worked on later? ioknow.and let's not forget about the question we have in mind but didn't want to ask it since it would lower our dignity if we do lol, WhErE iS ThE SeCks ScEnE?! i think this would be done in carl's second ark? but i don't think it would be a lovely one since the revelation of james' nature.time to rapey rapey~
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 13:46:16 No.1399514
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>>1399465
The finished route is telling Carl to fight it. Telling him to let it help doesn't go very far yet.
So for what happened between James and John:

Spoiler

Edited at 2018/03/01 14:18:03
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 15:01:07 No.1399544
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>>1399514
Thanks! now that i have read all of that, i plan to reread it later and with a short summary like that might help me understand the story better.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 17:32:40 No.1399612
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>>1399396

I think route B will end with Carl and Chase ending up together, but with something also happening to Carl. The route choice is based on whether you told Carl to resist John (Route A, the current ending), or let him in (Route B, which is not yet done). In the route A ending, Carl says that he wasn't sure if his love for Chase came from himself or John, so they don't pursue a relationship. We know Carl is bisexual, considering he fucked Flynn, he likes futa, he kissed Chase while drunk, and he has an anal fleshlight, so something may happen in the future between them. I can understand why he chose not to get with Chase. If you were possessed, you wouldn't be sure which actions or thoughts were yours and which were not. I hope we get to see more of the characters after Echo itself. It would be interesting to see where the various endings go. Carl's ending also mirrored what Howly said when I asked him which ending was canon. In Leo's everyone gets out together, while in everyone else's they address their demons and overcome them. In hope in Leo's ending that they all get to do that and actually stay together as a group.

There's also the fact that Carl has a nude sprite that hasn't been used. It must be for Route B.

Edited at 2018/03/01 17:33:35
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 17:53:18 No.1399616
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A d!scord server was made for Echo discussion (and I think other HTBH Games like Blackgate and Project Aego? Not sure). Here is the link to the twitter post advertising it:

https://twitter.com/injytech/status/969277353091354626

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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 19:14:07 No.1399656
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>>1399514

Is the fourth letter not the one Chase finds in the tree?

Also, it's important to mention that the group wasn't physically in the dream world. They were physically still in Echo, but mentally in the dream world. When they exist the dream and Chase runs through the house, he sees drywall sandwiches on plates in the kitchen (The "grilled cheese" sandwiches which tasted like chalk) a glass of piss beside the sink (The cup of water that Chase spat out in the cabin), and the front door open. When the group left the log cabin, they actually opened the front door of Carl's house. They exited into darkness because it was night in Echo. Also, if you choose to grab Jenna and get fatally stabbed by her, it knocks Chase out of the dream. He can see Carl, Jenna, and Raven fighting, but they can't seem to hear him. He dies from the stab wound a few moments later, but I thought it was interesting to include. What I'm confused about is how Chase ended up going from the crawlspace to the attic. If the kitchen in the dream world was Carl's actual kitchen, then he must have slipped out of the attic. How he got there from the crawlspace is beyond me.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 19:35:06 No.1399665
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>>1399616

>d!scord server

Great idea.

>run by an Antifa BLM supporter

Why?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 20:48:17 No.1399682
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None of that should matter because the server is only about echo?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 21:02:02 No.1399689
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Yeah, as long as it's just discussions about Echo or even just stupid shit I could care less. As long as politics aren't brought up.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 21:37:52 No.1399705
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>>1399682
>>1399689

It's still a bit disconcerting. These threads also aren't bumping like they should.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 21:41:30 No.1399706
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Some of the fanart by Mango from the d!scord.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 21:42:03 No.1399707
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Mango speculating as to what Sydney might look like as a ghost.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 23:27:07 No.1399736
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>>1399612
i fear that Route B will give us what people want but with extreme concequences. Losing Carl to James and unleashing the second coming of a kiddie diddler/killer/rapist upon the world for the price of you and "carl" becoming "lovers".

Like you said about the route A ending, it's likely they can become lovers again. Carl has shown intrest in both flynn and chase but he needs to sort out his feelings first due to the fact those feelings might not have been his. I'm still hopeful they'll become a thing given how they interact with each other during the ending.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 03:36:06 No.1399792
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>>1399656
Thing is that there are two clues missing from the tree.
Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 04:09:49 No.1399803
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Dang, Chase didn't end up in a relationship with Carl in the end huh...
I mean, it's understandable, but I'm still pretty bummed out about it. Carl's been one of the most endearing characters from all the furry VNs I've played and I was really hoping for the best resolution, but I understand that Echo is more of a horror/mystery novel than a dating sim.
This makes me worried though, is every route going to end like this somehow? Like, Route A leading to the character getting over their troubles, but no relationship and Route B ending with a relationship, but also a bad ending? Cause that would be really depressing.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 09:30:53 No.1399877
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 09:31:15 No.1399878
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Here's hoping I don't fuck this up again.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 11:11:32 No.1399924
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How many endings per route, btw?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 12:53:05 No.1399959
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>>1399924

Probably two. Carl has two, Jenna's is based on you choosing Chase's sexuality, Leo's is based on if you look at the texts or not, TJ's I have no idea, and Flynn's probably on whether or not you let him confront TJ.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 12:53:22 No.1399960
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 12:57:17 No.1399962
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Does this have any sex in it?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 13:01:37 No.1399963
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>>1399962

Try Flynn's route. It has a blowjob and impromptu desert fucking. Leo's might in the future, and Carl's route B is likely to, as he has a nude sprite that hasn't been used yet. TJ also has a nude sprite, so his route probably will too, and Jenna makes it clear in her route that she wants sex.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 16:05:51 No.1400074
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>>1399962
I does and will probably have more in the future, but don't go into it expecting typical dating sim.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 18:55:27 No.1400197
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 20:25:54 No.1400230
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I'm not sure who made this, but it was in the discussion thread and I thought it was pretty cool.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 00:28:31 No.1400328
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Fuck. That was actually a really satisfying ending. Not too long, not too short. Makes me happy I've supported this project for as long as I have, and dispels any doubts I might have been having about how long that would continue.

But for real, Chase describing what he's been left with as a result of the whole ordeal....baby boy :( :( :(

Edited at 2018/03/03 00:30:24
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 08:20:35 No.1400407
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Hey guys does the route 65 have branches or is it linear?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 08:27:34 No.1400409
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its mostly linear with the only branching it does is depending on who you chose to come out to.

Edited at 2018/03/03 08:27:57
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 09:56:01 No.1400439
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More fan art.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 09:56:17 No.1400440
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 11:32:28 No.1400483
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 12:37:04 No.1400498
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>>1400328
Yeah, him talking about that was super harrowing. D: Did you try to grab Jenna first, or push her? That hit me even more... So visceral.

Edited at 2018/03/03 12:37:27
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 15:45:15 No.1400583
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>>1400498

Grabbed her, knowing full well what was likely going to happen..

But, I also figured there was a solid chance that, if shoved, Jenna might fall directly onto the thing, which would have been similarly awful. Guess I figured incorrectly.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 16:22:07 No.1400597
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>>1400583
Yeah, I did it because I didn't wanna hurt Jenna. But then reloaded after... what happened, steamrolled her.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 16:56:33 No.1400618
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>>1400597

I'm just glad she wasn't blase/stoic about it once she came to her senses, and had a realistic reaction that let me feel for her. I was worried she would try and detach/rationalize immediately, as usual.

I go back and forth on whether I actually like Jenna as a person. As a character she's great, often humorous and provides the needed conflict within the group to keep things interesting.

As a person, while I can relate to her to a degree because I tend to want to rationalize everything myself, and I realize how it can come off sometimes. I feel like Jenna doesn't, or she's so driven to need to feel better than everyone else that she's become borderline sociopathic. But she usually has her redeeming moments..though you find yourself wondering if she's well aware of the need to ease up a tiny bit and throw others a bone every once in a while, lest she be accused of being just what she might realize she could be.

I definitely lean towards liking her these days, as she does seem to have that degree of self awareness and humanity. Would be nice to see a bit more vulnerability/realness from her further down her route.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 17:04:12 No.1400631
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>>1400575

I personally think it's multiple entities. You have the dream entity, ghost Sydney, the shadow people (Chase, Jenna, and Leo), and whatever is possessing Chase (Which also possessed Sydney in the past), which might be the same thing as the shadow people, since we know Leo is also most likely possessed. Flynn I'm not sure about.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 19:18:31 No.1400665
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>>1400230
Whoa, someone actually cared about my shitpost? Thanks!

...I still can't believe I spent that much time and effort on something this dumb. Trying to get the text speed to somewhat match the song was hell.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 10:33:34 No.1400917
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more fan art
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 21:27:52 No.1401125
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I was reading through the text stories and the one focused on Flynn seemed to imply that he was looking for an actual relationship with Leo, rather than just a fuck buddy thing. It might not be a bad idea, both of them probably have great angry sex.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/05 00:26:36 No.1401179
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>>1401125
I want to hate Leo because of how shady he is in that story, Route 65, Jenna's text story, and in-game but dammit I can't see him as a villain considering how Chase messed him up.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/05 09:58:23 No.1401307
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>>1400917
Make more, please.


Oh... and can anyone explain what's happening in Flynn's route after Leo left his house?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/05 11:12:34 No.1401339
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>>1401179

Leo is very clearly possessed by something that is making his anger and obsessiveness worse. You can't really blame him for that. He also says to Chase at one point that if he had actually broken up with him, he might not be as fucked up as he is. We all know Leo has problems, but Chase and Jenna weren't very nice to him. You don't spend three years with someone and then leave out of the blue. Leo was setting up a life for both of them, which Chase seemed to want (He tells Leo that he knows how he feels about him, which makes me think he still loved him even though he decided to leave), at least in the beginning. I'd personally put the failure of their relationship down to differing goals of the entities that are possessing them. The entity possessing Chase made him feel so bad that he panicked, left Echo, and ghosted his friends for three years. He wanted nothing more to do with Echo, which you can understand, given the position he was in. I just hope that in Leo's route, they can break the influence of whatever is controlling them, realise who they are truly are, and make up. The same goes for all of the cast members. They all deserve to be free of Echo's control.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/05 11:14:13 No.1401341
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>>1401307

The entity that is possessing Chase leaves him to wander Echo for a bit, and comes across Sydney, who has seemingly just walked out of the lake. I don't understand how that can be, considering Chase mentions he died in hospital. We know his body was recovered, but not that it was buried. If it was, it makes me wonder why they don't visit his grave. It would be better than visiting the lake if coming to terms with his death is what they're after.

Edited at 2018/03/05 12:40:05
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Furrynomous 2018/03/05 18:02:28 No.1401669
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Sydney himself didnt crawl out of the lake, but possibly his emotions and spirit, his 'echo' if you will.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/05 18:17:58 No.1401679
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>>1401669

You just reminded me of this. Everything seems to point to the game being named after echoes from the past rather than the town itself. James and John are echoes, Sydney is an echo, and the murders are echoes. It was pointed out in the chat yesterday that you sometimes hear train horns in the background, yet Chase mentions that the train yard shut down decades ago.

Edited at 2018/03/05 18:18:27
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Furrynomous 2018/03/06 01:06:06 No.1401864
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Saw this in a Telegram group
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Furrynomous 2018/03/06 18:10:37 No.1402815
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Furrynomous 2018/03/06 19:50:09 No.1402860
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>>1401864
this guy is too hot
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 15:04:58 No.1403224
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Edited out by self to avoid shitting up thread.

Edited at 2018/03/08 04:52:57
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 16:33:15 No.1403270
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>>1403224
I'll admit, that page seems a bit.. .concerning. Luckily, I don't think Howls leaves any of the writing up to the patrons.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 17:08:53 No.1403293
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Edited out by self to avoid shitting up thread.

Edited at 2018/03/08 04:51:56
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 17:24:04 No.1403299
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I really don't see any reason to worry. Some people who read/support Echo happen to support antifa, highly doubt that's gonna change the vision of the creators.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 17:52:39 No.1403308
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Edited out by self to avoid shitting up thread.

Edited at 2018/03/08 04:53:29
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 18:46:09 No.1403317
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I hope we get a thicc panda. They're just built for thicc.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 19:24:51 No.1403333
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Echo always reminds me of this /x/ pasta. There's just something about an ancient primal evil that works.
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McSkinny 2018/03/07 21:06:34 No.1403359
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McSkinny here!

Julian's character owner is still working with us and will be apart of TJ's route as planned.

Edited at 2018/03/07 21:08:10
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 04:39:30 No.1403504
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>>1403359

Is he the additional character for that route? And Micha for Jenna's? I kind of like the idea of one of the Patreon characters not being friendly to Chase. Just because they're in the game doesn't mean they have to be helpful or nice.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 05:04:32 No.1403514
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>>1403307

I think you guys should make edits to your posts so that this thread doesn't end up off track. We want an inviting thread that directs people towards Patreon.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 05:28:19 No.1403516
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Again, unless a character shows up with a clear antifa agenda while also being portrayed as an angel that can do no wrong, I do not really care. Echo so far has not shown itself to be that kind of VN.

Back to the topic of the actual VN though, I am actually kind of sad that the next VN will be 100 years ago rather than a continuation of the current characters. This VN might finish in 2019 or 2020? Would have been cool to see a sequel with the characters 5 years on.

Edited at 2018/03/08 05:30:03
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 05:45:02 No.1403523
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>>1403504
They might be one of the minor characters.

Edited at 2018/03/08 05:45:52
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 07:38:37 No.1403576
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>>1403516

I think we should drop it now.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 08:53:02 No.1403606
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There's that issue with making a sequel to a story with branching paths, where you either have to choose one canon ending or make it so it doesn't matter how the previous story ended. Neither of the options is really compelling..
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 12:34:33 No.1403679
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>>1403606
That is a very good point. I hate when they make a sequel to anything and it creates a canon for a game with multiple routes. Still kind of lame how they made a Revan with a set gender, appearance, etc in SWTOR after it's your character in KOTOR.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 12:50:15 No.1403686
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Got through as much of Leo's route as I could yesterday. The quality of the writing, characterization, and world-building here is phenomenal. It's criminal that this game has been so overlooked. So much more than just a dating sim...

Now I'm just craving more
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McSkinny 2018/03/09 18:11:54 No.1404249
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>>1403504

Yes. Julian and Micha will be the major patron characters for the TJ and Jenna routes, respectively.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/09 20:18:55 No.1404282
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>>1403315
>Now, I don't usually condone the use of violence, but considering the type of people who usually get punched by antifas
Any normal people to the right of communists that antifa accuse of being Nazis? Don't be naive, the majority of the time, antifa pick on innocents since they are too pussy to fight actual Nazi biker gangs.

>Anyway, let's not start a debate over any of this and let's focus on Echo instead !
>"Lol, crazy people larping as revolutionaries and hurting mostly innocents in the process is hilarious!"
>"Btw guys, let's not debate, let's live in harmony!"
...
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Furrynomous 2018/03/09 21:03:53 No.1404295
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>>1403606
True, I hadn't thought of that.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/09 22:06:13 No.1404319
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From the Patreon

_____

D!scord Major Character Q&A



Hey guys! Just letting you know that we have put together a Q&A session with the owners of all the major patron characters that will appear in Echo. They will answer your questions in-character. This will take place in the Echo server on D!scord in the q-and-a channel at 10:30 PM Pacific Time on Saturday.

D!scord Link:
https://twitter.com/The_McSkinny/status/972325916838776832

Edited at 2018/03/09 22:18:54
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Furrynomous 2018/03/09 22:08:32 No.1404320
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The discussion of non echo related things should be dropped. The character owners views will not effect echo and should be kept out of this thread IMO
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Furrynomous 2018/03/09 22:33:47 No.1404326
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(Re-uploading because I had the wrong image sizes)

From Patreon:

1915:Cliff

He's from across the pond, eager to research the native peoples of the Pueblo region, but is this sheltered academic ready for what Echo has in store?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/09 22:34:59 No.1404327
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>>1404326

Probably not.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/10 06:54:30 No.1404456
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Dax and Julian look like interesting characters.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/11 00:55:05 No.1404748
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the echo d!scord q and a is live atm
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Furrynomous 2018/03/11 10:19:23 No.1404890
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>>1404748
Any transcripts of what happened in there?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/11 12:28:43 No.1404922
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I can try and make one. Gotta organize it though.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/12 04:20:07 No.1405202
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>>1404922

That would be awesome, thank you.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/13 21:16:46 No.1405871
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I've got half of it sorted whats the best way to link it here so people can read it?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/13 22:52:58 No.1405904
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>>1405871
Try pastebin.com
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Furrynomous 2018/03/14 01:42:38 No.1406077
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https://pastebin.com/c3uFHfBh

As sakuri once said "Never ask me for anything ever again." This was painful to do. (Also really sorry for how messy and disorganized for the first part of it the answers were so separate and dis conjoined I had a hard time finding what ask he was answering and where the question was.)
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Furrynomous 2018/03/14 13:42:10 No.1406298
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>>1406077
Thank you for the transcript. Also, yeah making these are hard.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/14 23:02:55 No.1406523
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thats so fucking cute oh my god
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Furrynomous 2018/03/15 07:05:25 No.1406707
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>>1406077

Thank you very much !
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Furrynomous 2018/03/15 08:39:58 No.1406731
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>>1394688
>>1404326
>>1406511
Awww How beautiful I hope the game is both husbands or at least boyfriends
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Furrynomous 2018/03/15 13:10:19 No.1406805
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>>1406731

1915 American southwest. Don't count on homosexuality being open and accepted.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/16 20:05:04 No.1407351
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when da next update
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Furrynomous 2018/03/16 21:34:15 No.1407393
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>>1407351
Be patient. Making a game takes time. Echo updates once (usually in bulk) every 1-3 months for Patreon. The public gets the update a month after Patreon.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/16 22:51:02 No.1407412
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Echo: Route 65, the prequel VN where Chase is 15 years old, has been released for the $3 patron people.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/16 23:37:37 No.1407431
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>>1407412
soonTM on public release :)
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Furrynomous 2018/03/17 09:08:29 No.1407589
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>>1407431
Mhm, I guess we have to wait until June or something. Speaking of which, did Benefits ever become a public release?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/18 21:58:55 No.1408284
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Nope thats still patreon exlusive and i think they plan on keeping it that way
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Furrynomous 2018/03/18 22:14:18 No.1408292
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>>1407589
Pretty sure if anything there's a link in the /d/ thread.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/19 07:16:07 No.1408397
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>>1408284
I see, thank you.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/20 14:54:28 No.1409022
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>>1380229

Looks more like a panther than an otter
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Furrynomous 2018/03/20 15:06:50 No.1409027
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>>1409022
Feels like almost everyone in this fandom draw otters with cat ears.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/20 23:39:13 No.1409227
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Only just starting it but a few thoughts on Route 65:

Why in the world are a bunch of teenagers from the mid-west speaking (and thinking) in such stiff English? I wouldn't even necessarily call it 'proper', because grammatical errors abound (not really a big issue) but these kids spelling "it is" out every single time instead of using the much more common and simple contraction "it's" is really jarring.

Example: "Carl blinks, his expression akin to as if I just asked to rub his horns."

"akin to as if"? I'm sorry, even if Chase was a super bookish type this would still seem a bit stiff, but we know Chase is fairly average, so this comes off as pretty unnatural.

Nothing against the guy who put a ton of work into this side project, and obviously I'd rather have it than not, but it definitely has some weird quirks.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/21 00:01:26 No.1409232
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>>1409227

This was one of the reasons I was not so sure about there being a second writer since it creates inconsistent voices and Howly is pretty good with making the characters sound believable. However, having played Jenna route I can say that it is quite a bit better in terms of voice compared to Route 65, so I am not really concerned about it anymore.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/21 17:38:10 No.1409531
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>>1409227
Idk, he was in his pretentious teenage phase back then, perhaps?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/21 19:24:24 No.1409567
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>>1409227
I've never seen Chase's narration as his literal thoughts. I mean, nobody narrates their life in their head all the time.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/21 21:40:54 No.1409605
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>>1409567

I believe one of the ideas for the UI before the change to the current iteration was to alter the text box to look like a notebook. Chase is narrating his life from some point in the future. To what degree his version of events can be trusted is interesting to think about.

Since we're talking about R65 and how the characters spoke, did anyone think Jenna sounded really formal? When you compare how she speaks in Echo to R65, it's like she had no social skills growing up. Maybe it was intended, since she was in such a shit situation with her family?

Edited at 2018/03/21 21:42:05
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Furrynomous 2018/03/22 17:05:46 No.1409914
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>>1409605

It's mixed. Partially intended because it fits her character (her speech and mannerisms trend toward formal), but yes the writing in R65 was more stiff and formal overal (see above) which only exacerbated that and made R65 Jenna really robotic.

It's not horrible by any means, just a bit distracting.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 05:30:29 No.1411823
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The more I read Echo, the more Higurashi I remmember.

And I like it.

Except the fact I fear the writers can't tie all mysteries plots together in a coherent reasoning.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/26 22:28:49 No.1412529
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Finished Leo's route. Thought he would be full obsessive boyfirend because of how people here portrayed him, but it turns out he was ok. He did a dick move, but it wasn't that "oh wow full pyscho boyfriend".

Also, Kudzu is indeed cute, but not that much to the point of being husbandu-tier.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/26 23:45:57 No.1412553
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>>1412529
Did you read the texts?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/27 08:51:09 No.1412719
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>>1412553
Yes. I saw many texts saying how "Leo is a hateful character" etc. Some others were discussing the issue more rationaly, which is a better approach to this topic.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/27 17:00:47 No.1412832
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>>1412740
Hateful meaning "he is hated by a part of the fandom" and not "he is full of hate".

As myself being in the past someone who had compulsive-obsessive issues towards people, I can deeply understand how Leo feels and can't blame him for his attitudes towards Chase. It was wrong? Yeah, but I can put myself in his shoes.

In another thread, someone said what Leo needs to do is sit down with Chase and have a mature and serious talk with him and try to resolve all their issues.

But well, let's see how it will end up Leo's route since it was said Howl would focusing on write his route. Did he said anything about deadline?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/27 18:32:48 No.1412866
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>>1412719

He was asking if you read Leo's text messages on his cell phone in game, not whether you read posts from people about the game lol
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Furrynomous 2018/03/27 19:06:46 No.1412875
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>>1412866
Yup. I went full NASA on his mobile.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/30 04:01:11 No.1414245
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By Nick in the Echo D*scord server.

Edited at 2018/03/30 04:06:33
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Furrynomous 2018/03/30 07:47:49 No.1414272
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>>1414245
I laughed more than I should.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/31 08:03:38 No.1414707
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>>1414245
It's not drawn by 'Nick', just colored. Mango / Clep_face made the picture.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/01 02:47:58 No.1415131
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Update! Carl's B-Path is supposedly done, but I really feel like something got left out or something. It just abruptly stops, there's no real sense of closure to it at all, like the other path has...
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Furrynomous 2018/04/01 10:40:36 No.1415266
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thats the point. i think some one said it was hinted that chase is killed
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Furrynomous 2018/04/01 14:14:57 No.1415363
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New update was pretty heavy.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/01 16:21:03 No.1415407
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It feels less like a bad ending ending and more like an extended gameover, like as if you made the wrong choice during the fight with Jenna in the other route. It's just way too abrupt
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Furrynomous 2018/04/01 19:03:49 No.1415479
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Here's the new build, this one completing Carl's route.

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Build 0.26









WIN: http://www.mediafire.com/file/1sdd4m0f1c93xz7/Echo-0.26-win.zip
MAC: http://www.mediafire.com/file/4qa6xn0obyyt3ya/Echo-0.26-mac.zip



Aaaand here it is, after an incredibly frustrating week losing a chunk of writing and a bunch of assets which I guess speaks more to my poor job at backing stuff up than anything. Anyway, this effectively completes Carl's route. It's still a bit rough, mainly due to the issues I had writing it, but I'll be sure to revisit it while adding in the emotive sprites if I feel it needs to be fleshed out more. It will help me out if you guys let me know what you think in the comments!



Change Log:

-Carl's path B complete

-Edited Carl sprite
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Furrynomous 2018/04/01 19:10:14 No.1415480
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>>1415465

Isn't this the point of a "bad" ending? It was bad, unsatisfying and depressing. It confirms that James is a piece of shit no matter if you let him possess Carl or not. Once you make that choice Carl turns into a dick and has completely different dialogue than he did on Path A. That was pretty interesting to me, but otherwise yeah, totally sufficient bad ending, if not a bit abrupt.

I just don't know what else people are expecting. Compare to this to other VNs. In Morenatsu I remember ridiculously sinister endings in Shin and Juuichi's routes. Some people just want variation.

Btw, speaking of Morenatsu, some of those choices were either completely out of character, or completely innocent before leading to a bizarrely grim result. I felt the possession decision made at least some amount of sense.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/02 04:45:27 No.1415613
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The raccoon guy,Ruzduk is such a sweet bro !
I honestly wish he'll deserve better ! Maybe even a naughty scene :3
But yeah, cheers to the raccoon bro, you're the best !
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Furrynomous 2018/04/02 16:02:40 No.1415914
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>>1415480
It's called a bad ending because things end poorly, not because it's structured bad, it shouldn't just abruptly stop after a line that doesn't even indicate that things are over.

I had to reload and replay a bit before it just to be sure that was it, because I thought maybe the game was glitched and just dumped me back to the title screen.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/03 13:32:08 No.1416283
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>>1415479
While I love Echo and I still think it's the best VN in the community, I have to say that I'm utterly dissapointed by Ending A.
Ending A feels a bit off, when Carl suddenly realize he's okay on his own. Maybe it's just me, who didn't get the idea behind the story, but after those countless cliffhangers and some teasing along the way, I expected a much deeper and meaningful closure than standard "some time later" epilogue.
In the end, it feels like Chase (we) didn't make any significant impact on how's Carl perceive the world. And while things end up nicely for both of them, I can't help it, but feel empty. I've been following this project since the beginning, Carl was always my favourite character, and yet, after over two years of waiting, we didn't even had a chance to see even one, proper CG of him.
And while I understand that the author didn't want to make cliche story, about everybody lusting for MC, the ending should at least gave us opportunity to talk with Carl about how we feel about him (which could give us hope that he will at least consider being with Chase). Instead, we get a big middle finger when ram ask us to be his wingman.

While Ending A got me dissapointed, I think Ending B was really well written, especialy at the later part in cellar. There was a good climax, a moment of hope, and then perfect few lines at the very last scene.
This ending is just plain evil - it left me torn and confused and I think it's a perfect closure for this dark story. It's just really weird how the game suddenly cuts the scene and gets us back to the title screen.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/03 18:28:26 No.1416372
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McSkinny said that ending B is going to be edited and extended because Howly lost the script and a lot of the text and sprites meant for it in a power failure. What we got is a very rough version of what was planned.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/04 10:47:55 No.1416698
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>>1416283
As much as I hate to say this Carl's route as a whole is kind of a mess. It's basically two stories that don't have a lot in common. The first half is pretty much perfect, but everything that happens in it doesn't have much impact on what happens later. Carl and Jenna turn into plot devices for the story of James and John and their personalities don't really matter anymore. The fact that they aren't even themselves most of the time doesn't help either.

The story itself, even though well written and interesting, gets in the way of Carl's character development and because of that the ending feels rushed. Honestly, I'm a little worried every route will suffer from this problem to some degree. It also kinda bothered me that other characters were barely mentioned and treated like they didn't matter anymore.

As for Carl and Chase not ending up together, it's was kinda hard not to expect something more with all the teasing you would expect from a typical dating sim.

This may be a weird complaint, but it bothered me a little that some plot elements were completely abandoned even though I know they will be addressed in a different route. I'm talking mainly about Sydney's death, which is established as very important in the beginning.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/04 13:09:21 No.1416767
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I liked ending A, If only because it subverted my expectations. I agree with the above statement that it was structurally uneven in parts, but overall it is better than most furry VNs out there (if not all). I think it’s on purpose that a point was made that we had little effect on Carl, aside from treating him poorly in the past and Carl realizing he didnt need us. That is not something I expect in any VN really. He did not need us to better his life.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/06 20:03:30 No.1417858
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>>1415465

The Hendricks (Carl's) family had some degree of infamy, even though it was not known that James was truly the horrible bastard that he actually was. It's not too hard to believe that vague references to it were remembered by the common folk - especially the native populace and 14 year old Carl.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/08 00:57:56 No.1418528
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By OrionStar on the echo d!scord
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Kevinsora 2018/04/14 19:28:04 No.1421448
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I just finished both of Carl's complete routes and I can't agree with everyone more. Route A was really nice ending minus some big things that was....lackluster one of them being how Chase and Carl never got together or never had a talk about how Chase feels and maybe Carl giving some hints that they'll try it out soon or something. It was just to be a wingman and that kinda hurt after everything they've been through. I somewhat get that Carl was possessed and is now confused if it was his feelings or the lingering feelings of James...but it doesn't make sense though wouldn't he want to find out by giving them a chance? Overall I'm really sad how it just ended between thems, like is Chase really okay with just being friends...I know he states that now hes practically family since they hang out a lot, but It seems like its a bittersweet thing that deep down he really wants them to be more. *Is in the VN emotional coaster*
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Furrynomous 2018/04/14 20:43:37 No.1421461
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>>1418528
Do these two ever fuck ingame?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/15 01:40:15 No.1421549
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>>1418528
fucking SPOOKED
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Project Update Furrynomous 2018/04/15 11:32:13 No.1421722
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Hey guys, just a quick update to let you know what's happening this month.


We're going to have a patron-exclusive Flynn update tomorrow on the 16th, followed by a Leo update at the end of the month. We're actually hoping to finish Leo's route sometime during the summer.



Anyway, thanks again (so much) for the support. We hope you've all been having a good start to your spring!

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Furrynomous 2018/04/15 20:34:47 No.1421940
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>>1421873
I like that Echo is doing something different but no sex scenes at all? I figured everybody would get one at least.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/15 20:46:17 No.1421941
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>>1421873

His B route isn't done yet. Howly lost a lot of the text and assets for its in a power cut, so it's going to be redone in the future. I'd say he's going for the Flynn and Leo updates to take a break from Carl. We'll probably get his final route B sometime late May or early June.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/15 22:26:36 No.1421961
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>>1421940

Well, chase does get the hand job in Path B, albeit while creepy possession music plays.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/16 22:00:26 No.1422314
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New update for the angry lizard man.
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Build 0.26 - Flynn

Howdy folks,

It' a Flynn build, and it looks like Chase might -actually- be working on his project for a change. Homework is the true fear experienced in Echo, truly.

We'd also like to put a special thank you and welcome to ambient/industrial artist abyuse for his musical contributions to the Echo project. It has been a while since we've had original music since Leon left, and Howly and I are absolutely impressed by his work so far. You can look forward to hearing some of his stuff in the builds to come.

In the meanwhile, his auditory experiences are available for perusal on his bandcamp: https://abyuse.bandcamp.com/

BUILD CHANGES:

- Flynn content build

- Several typos fixed and a small change made for Carl's Route

- New music from abyuse

- Micha has been made even sexier somehow (sprite adjustment)

Edited at 2018/04/16 22:27:56
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Furrynomous 2018/04/17 12:05:47 No.1422544
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this update is nicely written!
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Furrynomous 2018/04/17 21:12:07 No.1422696
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Oh yes, such a small change. This totally won't be brought up ever again in any other route. Nope. Not a chance.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/17 23:51:50 No.1422761
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>>1422696
Holy shit that is some next level digging to find tiny changes like that. Anyway, not really surprised. The game is still in developement so they could change anything until release.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 00:27:24 No.1422763
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>>1422761
The death cause is explained a bit more in-depth on Flynn's actual update. This tiny bit of dialogue was certainly just changed in order to keep consistency.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 14:59:09 No.1423022
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Some of the fan art that has been posted in the D!scord lately.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 14:59:10 No.1423023
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>>1423022
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 14:59:12 No.1423024
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>>1423022
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 14:59:14 No.1423025
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>>1423022
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 14:59:15 No.1423026
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>>1423022
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 15:00:52 No.1423027
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Last four.

Edited at 2018/04/18 15:01:13
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 15:00:53 No.1423028
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>>1423027
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 15:00:55 No.1423029
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>>1423027
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 15:00:56 No.1423030
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>>1423027
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 16:54:53 No.1423060
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Hey, I have a suggestion for the game if McSkinny or Howly ever come here:

On Flynn's new update there's a part where you have to pick all four menu options in order to proceed. When looking through the rpy file I noticed that the way it was done wasn't very optimal. Please don't take this the wrong way, I definitely don't want to sound like I think I'm "da best renpy programmer ever", but I would suggest doing something like this instead:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/lqmj9a8flrzd2ux/example.rpy

This way things would be a bit tidier and copy and pasting wouldn't be required.
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McSkinny 2018/04/18 18:57:31 No.1423096
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>>1423060

McSkinny here. Yeah, I knew I read about a better way to do all that somewhere, but time was running a bit short.

Thank you for this, it's definitely on the "to-improve-before-final-release" list.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/20 23:05:49 No.1424032
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Another one by Orionstar
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Furrynomous 2018/04/26 22:24:30 No.1427173
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Howly teased more of that side VN he's working on:

So the story will center around a human (you) studying in Rome who, through a series of complicated missteps, gets whisked away to the stars by a space wolf (Amicus). While you didn't exactly go with him willingly, he hopes the dire situation he's in will be enough to convince you to help him. That situation involves alien uplift, a pair of suspicious siblings, a persnickety advisor, a cat, a bodyguard, and a throne in dispute. Will you help him?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/26 22:26:12 No.1427174
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>>1427173

And if you're wondering, yes, it will involve a lot of romance and...other stuff...

(No he won't be wearing that in the VN, but Haps sure had fun drawing it!)
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Furrynomous 2018/05/01 04:58:16 No.1429256
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"Alright, finally uploaded! And here's a Leo update for ya. We're also hoping to get some new art next month once our artists become a bit less busy. We'll be releasing WIPs here soon!


Change Log:

-Flynn update (Patron release)

-Leo update"

One thing that bugs me though is: Why is Chase's hand so blurry when you're looking through stuff in the archive? It's like his vision is so bad he can't properly see his hand in front of him.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/02 22:20:51 No.1430033
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New content!
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Furrynomous 2018/05/03 09:06:44 No.1430155
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>>1429256

To show focus on the pictures, maybe?
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Furrynomous 2018/05/03 09:52:19 No.1430166
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More art.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/03 17:17:53 No.1430280
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>>1430166
loved the expression.the perspective is kinda doesn't work/wrong though.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/26 11:05:04 No.1441694
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New content for Leo is out.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/27 09:55:31 No.1442296
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Chase and Kudzu are the OTP
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Furrynomous 2018/05/31 23:13:49 No.1444908
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The Flynn content and the previously patron only Leo content is out. The gang makes cheese bread. It's riveting.
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Build 0.28

WIN: http://www.mediafire.com/file/79ghsxm9zum6xs7/Echo-0.28-pc.zip/file
MAC: http://www.mediafire.com/file/7jpiphkwdzj1gl1/Echo-0.28-mac.zip/file

Flynn content this time, and a Leo update release for all the non-patron folk out there. We've also got some neat music from Abyuse and Bane of Blackgate fame. Make sure to let them know if you dig it!



Change Log:

-Leo content (Patron release)

-Flynn content

-Typo fixes across various routes

-New music from Abyuse and Bane
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Furrynomous 2018/06/01 05:48:32 No.1445001
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>>1444908

>We've also got some neat music from Abyuse and Bane of Blackgate fame. Make sure to let them know if you dig it!

Oh god. Bane is trying to latch onto Echo more now that Blackgate has officially gone to utter shit.

I'm scare
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McSkinny 2018/06/01 19:16:22 No.1445232
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>>1445001

We asked Bane, not the other way around!

I'm really happy we're getting new music from some talented folks. I'm afraid to start replacing the good ol' Kevin Macleod though.
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McSkinny 2018/06/02 00:31:02 No.1445322
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>>1445246

Yes!

It is something we're going to hold off doing for previous content until we get our sprite expressions, most-likely.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/02 00:52:02 No.1445330
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>>1445322
When shall we be expecting sprite expressions?

Edited at 2018/06/02 00:53:01
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Furrynomous 2018/06/02 06:28:15 No.1445531
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>>1445001
To be fair, the music is easily one of the better things in Blackgate. I don't mind if Echo gets to borrow some of that.
>>1445330
Probably in 2021 or 2022 judging by the speed of sprite changes in Echo. lol

Anyway, I was wondering what's going on in Flynn's route now.
Spoiler
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McSkinny 2018/06/02 11:17:38 No.1445613
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>>1445330

The schedule as of now for our sprite artist is:
- Julian sprite
- Daxton sprite
- Expressions
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Furrynomous 2018/06/08 10:26:19 No.1448515
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So I took a peek at this game when it first started, and decided to return once a route was completed. Just went through Carl's, got three endings which I think is all of them?

I'm impressed, I wasn't expecting this to be almost entirely narrative focused but it was a very creepy and interesting story to read through. Parts of me wish there was more length and more lewd, but of course those didn't really fit with the scenario that was unfolding so it's understandable things played out the way they did.

Very interested to see all the other character's perspectives to see what went on with everyone else and try to imagine how things unfolded without Chase's intervention.

Edited at 2018/06/08 10:29:03
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Furrynomous 2018/06/08 16:36:55 No.1448664
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Just finished Carl's route, and I gotta say

>>1416283
>>1416698

Make some good points. Specifically about the pacing and length of his route, and the fact that the ghost possession unfortunately removes some of the character engagement. It would have been nice to see more of the characters fighting through the possession and allowing their own personalities and reactions to show within the scenario. Ending A isn't too bad for Carl but it resolves kind of quickly and the end isn't too satisfying. Jenna gives us nothing at all (even possessed, John gives us nothing at all dialogue-wise). I understand it isn't her route, but the other characters should still matter and especially if you're going to isolate us from all but two of them, the ones present should feel more fleshed out.

Speaking of which, the choice to isolate us from all but Carl and Jenna is interesting, especially as a first route finished. On one hand it takes away from the initial feel of the game and makes it a bit of a rough transition into whats essentially an entirely independent story from everything set up in the first few days. On the other hand, it does invoke more mystery as it allows for every character to have experienced very different scenarios and makes you wonder what would happen if you had gone with them instead...

That being said, just because all of the characters are together when you're on a specific characters route doesn't necessarily mean all the characters couldn't experience something entirely different together when you're on a different route. I havent touched any of the other stories yet so perhaps Carl's route is unique due to how he and Jenna's families have historical significance in the town, and only that route involves ghostly possession. I assume however, that if you pick Jenna's route its an entirely different scenario so clearly your choice of who to follow does affect the timeline... and if Carl isn't with you on Jenna's route what on earth happens to him without you or Jenna there?

Just rambling at this point, sorry...

Edited at 2018/06/08 16:39:39
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Furrynomous 2018/06/09 11:29:19 No.1448974
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Hey guys how far does each route go now? (In the public version.)


Haven't played for a while, you see...
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Furrynomous 2018/06/13 16:00:21 No.1451694
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>>1449015
Thank you.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/14 23:14:32 No.1452411
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Now the Hiatus starts.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/16 13:03:30 No.1453175
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What Species is William from 1915 supposed to be?

Is he a Coyote?
Wolf?
Tamaskan dog?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/16 21:51:20 No.1453376
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The Route 65 prequel to Echo is out for non-patron people now.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/17 11:02:41 No.1453594
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>>1453376
Oh my god, I love this. Seeing the group as teenagers is just so... precious.

One request (since McSkinny is occasionally reading this): Could this possibly be put upfront on the patreon page? Otherwise it's gonna disappear in the list of posts there. I remember there was also a short side story featuring Flynn like one year ago or something, not sure if that was ever fully made public. Would be nice if they were collected somewhere to be easily found later on.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/17 15:23:33 No.1453703
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So is this 1915 prequel thing finished and could be played?

Can I get a little runthrough on it since I am not really interested in original game because of it's artstyle meanwhile 1915 art looks really good so far.

Does it have romance or only some story with anthro characters?
If it has romance then does it also mean it has NSFW CGI?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/17 17:56:34 No.1453792
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Echo: Route 65
Jun 16 at 12:59pm
Public release!
WIN:http://www.mediafire.com/file/bd1hu5uylw8as0c/EchoRoute65-1.0-pc.zip

MAC:http://www.mediafire.com/file/3q3xyvjv4c7eur6/EchoRoute65-1.0-mac.zip

Android:http://www.mediafire.com/file/k6mik6kw8416c5o/EchoRoute65-1.0-release.apk/file

Echo: Route 65

- The Complete Visual Novel

By McSkinny

What is Echo: Route 65?

Echo: Route 65 is a 70,000 word prequel visual novel for the ongoing horror/romance Echo story created by Howly and HTBH games. The purpose of this project is to explore a single defining night in the lives of six of Echo’s young inhabitants: Chase the Otter, Leo the Wolf, Carl the Ram, TJ the Lynx, Flynn the Gila, and Jasmynn (Jenna) the Fennec Fox. Players are able to chose from four varying “routes” based upon their preferred character of confidence.

The story starts on November 1st, 2008 with a 15 year-old Chase as the main character. A shameful development is plaguing Chase, and rumors of a bizarre Day of the Dead party in an abandoned manufacturing building along desert Route 65 serves as the focal point of this visual novel.

In addition to those mentioned in-game, additional credit is due to:

Lantern Lights Whitesand (Youtube)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

Canvas 9 Danosongs (Danosongs.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License

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Noel Kerns - Photo Reference and Backgrounds

Civetstranj - Echo Logo

Skar - Android Build

Howly - QA and Writing Support

Kudzu - QA and Writing Support

Donto - QA and Writing Support

Leon - QA and Writing Support

All the other Patreon supporters continuing to keep the Echo Project going
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Furrynomous 2018/06/17 18:36:43 No.1453812
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>>1453703
Not released, and probably won't be until the main Echo VN is finished.

What was released was Route 65, a side story in a short VN form from the perspective of a younger Chase. See it as some kind of prequel to the main VN.

There are also some short text-only side stories (and one in a short VN form) from the perspective of different main characters about some things that happened between Route 65 and Echo, though they are Patreon exclusive for now.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/27 05:55:28 No.1458180
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Anything new other than the side story, my last update was 26
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Furrynomous 2018/06/28 01:56:59 No.1458657
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Hey, could someone please link me to the download page of the Carl X Flynn short story.
Thanks in advance!
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Furrynomous 2018/06/28 08:21:57 No.1458759
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>>1458180
They're at 28 now. Carl's route is completed, Leo's and Flynn's got updated. idk what else is changed between the two.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/04 15:15:03 No.1461548
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So Jenna is Amerindian. Does the other characters have real world ethnic analogue?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/04 19:36:09 No.1461617
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>>1461548

Leo is El Salvadorian
Jenna is Navajo
Carl is Irish
TJ is Canadian
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Furrynomous 2018/07/05 04:07:44 No.1461800
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>>1461617
Any ideas on Chase?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/05 04:55:34 No.1461809
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guys, i'm dumb, how many Echo games are there?

I see the original Echo (what's the latest version btw?) something called 1915, and route 65

i know 1915 are prequel, but how about 65? are echo finished now or what?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/05 08:09:14 No.1461845
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>>1461809
Latest public version is 0.28

Route 65 is also a prequel to Echo. And no, Echo is not finished yet.

>>1461617
I wonder what Flynn would be, hmm.

Edited at 2018/07/05 08:11:40
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Furrynomous 2018/07/05 21:01:54 No.1462048
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>>1461800

I always pictured Chase as generic white, possibly some asian in him.

Flynn as a ginger with a fuckboy haircuit.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/05 22:42:35 No.1462075
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>>1461548
>>1461617
>>1461800
>>1462048
Extrapolating from species, I can think of something like:

Chase: Either Lutra lutra (Eurasian otter, native from mostly Eurasia) or Lontra lontra (North American river otter, native from Canada and East Coast USA). Probably your average WASP guy, from a northeast coast background, whose family moved to the countryside fairly recently.

Flynn: Heloderma suspectum (Gila monster, native from southwestern USA and northwestern Mexico). I can't see him being either Mexican or Amerindian. His family is known to have dominated the political scene of Echo, Payton and region for some time. So a white redneck, I guess.
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emoney 2018/07/06 09:41:25 No.1462289
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if anyone is interested about co-writer for Echo #65 and Echo main game "McSkinny"

here's podcast with him hosted by "Deckerlink" who's done interviews with Shiro who does Repeat and Dzahn Dragon of Morenatsu Revisited.

I'm also in the chat on the side. McSkinny himself comes to u18chan and read the comments and leaves comments his own.

(Link to the podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k13_9Bpft7E&t=3s )
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Furrynomous 2018/07/06 13:00:34 No.1462389
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>>1462075
Didn't Chase say something about Flynn's family being in power despite prejudice against reptiles?
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McSkinny 2018/07/16 23:04:53 No.1467590
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The latest version of Echo that has come out today features a bunch of new art by Kardamon, new music from Bane and Abyuse, and a new content update for Flynn.

Plus a lot of typo fixes.

It's up for the $3 patron folk in the link below, but per usual, it'll be available to everyone at the end of the month.

https://www.patreon.com/EchoGame/posts

Edited at 2018/07/16 23:11:01
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Furrynomous 2018/07/29 01:20:47 No.1472970
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More lewd from Orionstar
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Furrynomous 2018/08/01 23:07:15 No.1474537
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New Leo route is out, don't know about y'all but my mind's been a mile a minute about the implications.

https://www.patreon.com/EchoGame/posts
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Furrynomous 2018/08/02 06:30:30 No.1474668
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Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/08/02 10:43:47 No.1474729
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i dont think it really means theres aliens in echo. so there wont be any CG of any kind sadly. if you recall brian said he started to see things then creatures then people. such as UFOs then aliens then people. But on a side note, since brian knew all about the mine and what was inside, i already have 2 theories about who it. 1 of which was due to a scene from the most recent Flynn route

Edited at 2018/08/02 10:47:08
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Furrynomous 2018/08/02 23:52:11 No.1474969
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>>1474729

Well, Brian says that he thinks it's all the same thing, the ghosts and aliens and everything. Makes me think it's just the entity, whatever it is, projecting the insecurities of the townspeople. Brian was told by his father (drunkenly) that his mother was taken by aliens. That sticks with him and when he goes to Echo the town starts to torment him with that idea, therefore he sees the UFO and is visited by aliens. He also mentions that he thinks there are parts of whatever Echo is all over the world "as small as a house and as big as a town" basically explaining any paranormal activity.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/03 10:51:11 No.1475118
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>>1474969
yes true i can see where you are coming from with that theory. i dont think the creature is evil so to speak. it was said that the guy that had his legs cut off by the train back when the trains went through echo, that the guy said a creature tried to help him by tring to stop the bleeding. but the whole thing with brain, my theory is he said he didnt start seeing things until he started coming to echo in the 80's and duke says his grandpa told him, this all has happened before when someone was murdered and didnt stop until the killer was caught. what if what brain saw was because of that murder? i say this because its happening again and brain leads you to the mine where you smell something rotting and brian thinks it has to due with whats going on. it just feels like it all would fit the timeline of whatever is rotting in the mines, everyone seeing an otter that looks like chase a few weeks before he even gets to echo. or people seeing horrific creatures. its like every route has all this in common but flynn's. however ill save flynns route for another time
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Furrynomous 2018/08/03 19:08:36 No.1475263
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i just want to say that i was disappointed with Carl ending

that's it
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Furrynomous 2018/08/04 04:24:27 No.1475459
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>>1475263
I wonder if Leo's ending will leave me feeling the same...
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Furrynomous 2018/08/04 18:31:04 No.1475725
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>>1475459
with the way things are going i really think none of them are actually dateable
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Furrynomous 2018/08/05 05:40:19 No.1475931
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i don't even think there are going to be sex scene in this game, just full horror vn

make me wonder why even put sexual aspect in the first place
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Furrynomous 2018/08/05 09:05:20 No.1475956
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>>1475931
LOL right. however although small Flynn does have a couple of sex scenes
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Vic Venom 2018/08/05 09:17:02 No.1475959
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>>1475956
I don't think it's said anywhere on the Patreon page that the game is even +18 or has adult/sexual content.
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Vic Venom 2018/08/05 09:18:35 No.1475960
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>>1475931
I don't think it's said anywhere on the Patreon page that the game is +18 or has adult/sexual content.

Sure there's that Flynn scene (with no visuals)... aside from that I'm stumped.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/05 15:55:20 No.1476105
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>>1475960
Leo has a brief one as well IIRC. No visuals though.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/05 16:46:33 No.1476123
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It's not even that there's not enough romance/sex. Once the second act starts the routes kinda stop being about the characters and their issues.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/05 17:14:52 No.1476137
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>>1462075

Flynn's last name is Moore.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/06 00:55:45 No.1476298
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if anyone is a $10 patreon for echo i would suggest looking up the short story vn on there called benefits. carl and flynn have a little sex together in there
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Furrynomous 2018/08/06 16:33:43 No.1476600
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>>1476298
it also has 2 nsfw cg's 1 is of flynn and carl the other is of ryan and flynn
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Furrynomous 2018/08/06 17:29:26 No.1476628
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>>1476123

I thought Carl's route was pretty consistently about his issues.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/07 18:27:45 No.1477050
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>>1476628
It really was. And Leo's route, the only other to reach act 2, was quite focused on his obsessive behaviours. Only the very last update moved away from that and the story's still not over.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/08 20:53:09 No.1477467
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well we will most likely have to wait awhile to see what happens in flynn/leo route my understanding is the next update is supposedly jenna or tj. most likely will be jenna
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Furrynomous 2018/08/17 07:05:16 No.1481505
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>>1475263
Honestly kind of same? The ending felt like a cop-out. "It was all just a dream" sort of thing. Yeah they were in true danger because of ghosts etc, but still. I would have rather them have literally been in an alternate dimension.

Here's hoping Leo's doesn't end similarly.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/21 23:08:34 No.1483935
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New Leo route is out again, i felt feels and also pain
https://www.patreon.com/EchoGame/posts
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Furrynomous 2018/08/22 08:46:37 No.1484056
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>>1483935
true there was alot of feeling in this update. but i feel it left open alot of unanswered questions now and ireally hope they get answered when his route is finished.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/22 10:29:06 No.1484096
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>>1478445
Same. TJ seems to get really messed up (judging by Carl's ending) and I'm kinda curious what happens to him. Also Sidney and all that.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/22 20:26:55 No.1484397
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>1484056
I think they want you to play all the routes to get the full story and even then you wont get your happily ever after with the character you chose because that's too clean of an ending in regards to what they want to portray.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/23 02:32:37 No.1484527
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inb4 after all the routes are completed, you get to play one true route, which is chase's route.you gonna fuck this doppelganger looking monster who been lurking around you.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/23 14:06:54 No.1484630
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>>1484527
Damn... now I want this to happen. lol
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Furrynomous 2018/08/23 18:14:58 No.1484689
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anyone gonna post the download link for the new Leo update?
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Furrynomous 2018/08/23 18:28:10 No.1484693
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I just really want to know what the hell is going on in Leo route. [ We get introduced to a new creature, 2 new people. 1 of which gets explained and gets a name. Chase says the name Nik and talks like he knew him for years but is the first time he ever said that name. And whats up with Chase. Its like he has schizophrenia with the voices talking to him. But at the say damn like its like there is ACTUALLY something there with him with the way it talks and acts. ] And although this may seem like a tiny problem i really want to know what animal Sydney was.

Edited at 2018/08/23 18:29:00
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Furrynomous 2018/08/23 21:04:23 No.1484740
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Haven't read this one for a while. Just out of curiosity, how many sex scenes are there yet?
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Furrynomous 2018/08/24 09:20:04 No.1484981
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>>1484740
there is only 1 sex scene and its really tiny with no artwork of any kind. And thats between Flynn and Chase. HOWEVER there are scenes where you are making out with someone and yours and-or- their body is being rubbed/played with. If you support this VN they have a very short story in the form of a VN on their patreon page thats called benefits. not many i talked to tried it. It has several sex scenes and it has 2 CGs of Flynn/ryan amd Flynn/carl having sex. This short story Vn is canon to echo and helps explain a few things in echo

Edited at 2018/08/24 09:22:20
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Furrynomous 2018/08/24 10:24:16 No.1484997
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>>1484693
Have you played Flynn's route?
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Furrynomous 2018/08/24 13:05:10 No.1485045
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so, i just found this recently (i mostly haunt /gc/ but decided to stop by /gfur/), and it really is fantastic! I was surprised by how much content there is, and it's still not done. (i started with Leo's route and then did Flynn's route -- neither of which are even done, haha. I guess I need to go through Carl's to see how a full route would actually go?)

My feelings about this series are kinda similar to my feelings about the movie Hereditary. If you haven't watched it, then spoiler alert (also, sorry if I use the wrong spoiler tag for imageboards...i don't usually comment: Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/08/25 04:48:01 No.1485280
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This 1915, what is that, I thought it was some kind of prequel? Is it done yet, I couldn't find it on patreon? How about 65?
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Furrynomous 2018/08/25 06:14:54 No.1485293
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>>1485280
1915 is a prequel, not done yet.

Route 65 is another prequel. More info and download here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/echo-route-65-19491071

There's also another short prequel game called Benefits and several short (you guessed it) prequel stories. Those are patreon exclusive though.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/25 08:34:27 No.1485312
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>>1485293
Oh cool thanks for the clarification, I'll see if I can support them, Benefits sounds kinda cool...I don't see much explanation for it though

I just finished playing route 65, talk about hitting the feels, I've got newfound appreciation for Leo and can see from his point of view in the main game better...I could almost say I feel his pain...I especially love the title music

Edited at 2018/08/25 08:38:58
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Furrynomous 2018/08/25 08:56:40 No.1485317
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Is there a way to download the music, even the prequels have great music
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Furrynomous 2018/08/25 09:08:43 No.1485319
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Jesus christ that was dark. I've lost almost all sympathy for Leo at this point...
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Furrynomous 2018/08/25 11:29:17 No.1485353
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Does anyone have the link to the new update?
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Furrynomous 2018/08/26 08:01:07 No.1485726
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>>1485353
It should still be on their patreon page unless you mean the patreon only update, in which case no not yet
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Furrynomous 2018/08/26 09:09:31 No.1485742
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>>1485319
try not to hate Leo just yet. its clear he is not in the right mind and has fell victim to what ever is clearly causing people to loose their mind.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/26 11:35:24 No.1485791
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>>1485317
All the music is in the "game" folder they're the Ogg Vorbis files
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Furrynomous 2018/08/30 00:48:01 No.1487407
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>>1485791
Thanks, man, I hope it's all extractable

>>1485742
I don't want to hate Leo either, it's hard of course, but it really should push the blame to Chase...I think the shit going down found him easy to affect with him back in town
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Furrynomous 2018/08/30 23:09:16 No.1487957
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>>1487407
It should be, at least on android, I use winamp to play it on PC.

As for Leo in regards to their first relationship I've been on his end of bad breakups and even that enough can be maddening so I feel for the guy. It hurts that what one considers love is seen by others as obsessiveness and controlling because in the end you want to see those others succeed in a place you find your faults in.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/31 09:07:05 No.1488088
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>>1487957
Sorry, most of the files aren't in MP3 Type, mostly OGG File...maybe my PC is fucked up I don't know
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Furrynomous 2018/08/31 12:53:48 No.1488209
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>>1488088
Use vlc player.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/01 13:06:08 No.1488781
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Build 0.30 - Night Adventures
https://www.patreon.com/posts/build-0-30-night-21136975

Change Log:
-Leo Ending B released for non-patrons
- Small Jenna Update
- Flynn Update (Completed possible branches for thursday night)
- Daxton and Ryan sprites added (also a bonus shirtless Leo that accidentally replaced every Leo sprite in the game when I uploaded this the first time - should be fixed now!)
- New music by Abyuse
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McSkinny 2018/09/01 13:10:07 No.1488783
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Daxton finally has a sprite, though it's a WIP (the edges are rough, and his shirt still needs a logo)
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McSkinny 2018/09/01 13:12:03 No.1488784
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Ryan got one, as well. This one was commissioned by the character owner from a separate artist.

Edited at 2018/09/01 13:30:45
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Furrynomous 2018/09/01 13:22:54 No.1488788
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>>1488784
Were you just lurking around to post these? It's only been a minute since I posted about the new stuff.
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McSkinny 2018/09/01 13:27:20 No.1488790
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>>1488788

One of my duties is updating the new-fangled social-medias when Howly or I releases an update, heh.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/01 14:42:42 No.1488843
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I didn't expect that... wooow wtf Leo?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/01 18:54:49 No.1489056
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d a m n
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Luis 2018/09/02 01:44:43 No.1489177
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Ok i'm going to try and comprehend this thing now that the public is out. Bear with me this might get long.

First of all. WOW. Like really, that bad ending in Leo's route, just wow.

It does gives us some more clues as to what the fuck is going on, and my theory is that the actual reasom is not going to be revealed, at least no exactly and not in this game, it will probably be revealed in the prequel game that is in the works if it is revealed at all, sometimes the thing that hooks fans the most about a story such as this one is to not reveal the main mistery and cover it up with other misteries to keep us guessing and leave the door open for interpretations. Even so i think that we have a lot of clues already.

We know that chase was being possed by a spirit, and that spirit is afraid of Flynn or something that is inside of Flynn, the one talking during that segment when leaving the caves is not actully chase and is not that otter doppelganger either since it reffers to it in third person, it says: "is not one of the otter's demons" and that otter isnt Chase since it also reffers to Flynn as one of chase's friends. The Nik guy the thing was talking about is one of the characters from Echo 1995 so we know he will play a big part in it, i think we will fully know what is going on in that game and not this one.

In regards to Leo's ending, is pretty sweet that Kudzu threw away his only hope of escaping to save Chase, making me think that what some people jokingly said at the very beggining of Leo's route back when it first came out, that Leo's route is Kudzu's route might be true after all. Since a fitting "good end" for a relationship that other character in the story have said multiple times that it would end badly if they didnt let go of it would for them to finally accept that its over. I'm calling it now, the good ending will have Chase fucking Kudzu or the otherway around.

Jenna's route will be similar to Carls, too similar am afraid, i thrust the writters, so i think they will work something out with it and possibly clear some of the fog around the whole who murdered the children and why thing.

Flynn's in my opinion will shed the most light out of all the routes, maybe only TJ's will be equally as revealing if not more so. If what am getting out of the ending in Leo's and Carl's epilogue and the clues of of his own route is right, it means that one of Flynns branches will lead us to the mine, where he will explain a lot of shit..... or just have lots of nasty sex as seems ussual for Flynn... i hope its the former as much as i want chase to bang the ever living fuck out of that lizard.

TJ, man TJ's route will without a doubt in my mind give us the ghost of Sydney, i said it first, and theres going to be a horrible twist to it... And i think i know which one it is, there is one scene i don't remember which route in which Chase says, "i have never murdered anyone" amd then the creeppy text comes out "of course you havent'", i dont know about you guys, but to me it sounded as if it was being sarcastic?, like what if Chase is actually to blame for what happened to Sydney, maybe not directly but in some way.

Carl's route for as good and solid as it was trough the route it self, the ending was... a bit dissapointing?, like his and Jennas route seem pretty self reliant on eachother and dont actually involve much of the town, it focuses heavily on their ancestors past and doesn't answer much, surely Echo 1995 will solve it and this time it wont be so isolated from the other characters, we'll have to see.

Overral this game is going in a pretty good directions, i love how the game actually requires you to play all routes to get the big picture and still there is some left for you to think about since it won't give a direct answer.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/02 03:02:26 No.1489190
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>>1485742
More than anything, I feel like Leo is a really tragic character here. At least based on Route 65, he seems like a fairly decent guy. Unless basically everyone else, he's not loaded with emotional or social issues. He seems to be doing just fine getting along with people outside of the main cast (even Kudzu) and is very protective of his friends. Maybe somewhat on the violent side, yeah, but that doesn't feel completely out of place considering the shithole Echo overall is. But then again I don't recall him ever being unreasonably violent outside out of being on the defensive.
He's overfilled with joy when Chase turns out gay and his plans for life essentially seemed to be getting a job and being with Chase. He wasn't interested in college but overall I don't see anything wrong here, again. Their relationship seemed to be doing just fine. Other characters mention Leo constantly clinging to Chase, but considering that both were fairly young and lovestruck, while Chase also didn't seem to bothered by it at all, makes me think that Leo was being maybe just a little bit pushy at worst.
Perhaps Chase didn't feel the same way Leo did for him, but at some point Chase starts being a little shit and messes with Leo emotionally before ultimately leaving him hanging when going to college. But after all, this seemed to be Leo being played by Chase. So then what, Leo is left aching for Chase who can't seem to make up his mind if he wants to be with him or not. The story mentions that Chase starts talking to him again after a while which makes me guess that Chase was probably giving Leo some mixed signals, never being clear about his feelings towards him.
This plan of reunion comes around and Leo very much insists on it. Understandable when he wants his friends to stick together and most importantly make up with Chase. Leo is decent enough at first, but as madness starts sinking in and hysteria is about to happen, he becomes overbearing, oppressive and manipulative. Yet Chase still can't tell him no in the other routes as he's obviously still not made up his damn mind. And what's the hysteria ultimately doing with Leo? Makes him hallucinate about being with Chase. Yeah, that clearly seems to be Leo's greatest pain and longing and he falls for it.

I realize that I wrote a lot when there wasn't particularly lengthy discussion about him or something, but I kinda had this in my system and wanted to get it out. Overall I feel mostly sorry for Leo and I'd like to see an ending where things do work out for him.
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Luis 2018/09/02 08:12:04 No.1489328
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>>1489190

Well, yeah, thats what i was saying, Chase never actually broke up with Leo, never gave him a closure so to speak, Leo held onto that hope, even though we know he actually tried to move on from Chase, he simply couldn't since Chase could still continue their relationship, so Leo became obsesed with that idea, Echo's madness you made the problem worse. Don't get me wrong he is nice guy and all but i think Echo's goal is to get chase to let go of his past. In Carls ending Chase lets go of Carl, the fact that he kept Carl around for so much time is what made him so dependable of Chase, to the point where he tried to go to college with Chase only to fail horribly because he wasnt ready to take on life without someone else's help. Leo's good end will surely have Chase giving Leo the closure he needs to let go of him. Maybe in the past it worked to some degree, but the point of the story is that the relationship is over and the both need to let go of the past.

I gues that Tj will let go of Sydney's death, Jenna's will be about her past (her family issues, not her ancestor's issues) Flynn... will most likely stop fucking around every guy? I don't know, maybe later in his route we might know more of his past, maybe letting go of sydney as well?, tough ti seems Sydney's death should be better dealt with in Tj's route.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/02 08:41:58 No.1489330
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So what do you think is the significance (if there is any) of the guy who lost his legs in the 50's?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/02 09:41:10 No.1489345
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>>1489330

I have no idea about that bro. :/
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Furrynomous 2018/09/02 14:53:07 No.1489408
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Leo's route in a nutshell.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/02 15:00:16 No.1489423
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>>1489408
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Furrynomous 2018/09/02 15:53:06 No.1489436
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Leo's ending was so fucking painful. Spoiler I think good ending is going to result in Leo's death, though. When you tell him you're finished, I think he's going to snap. He might just not jump onto the train, or he might just straight up kill himself.

I don't see this ending well for Leo in any route. Sadly.

>>1488784
Ryan's cute, who's route does he appear in though? TJ's?

Edited at 2018/09/02 16:05:07
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Furrynomous 2018/09/02 17:37:47 No.1489508
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>>1489436
Ryan is from Flynn's route.

It's been already revealed that Leo's is the only route which results in all of them getting out, but now that I think about it, does this mean someone didn't survive in Carl's route?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/02 18:35:20 No.1489515
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>>1489508
I don't think so? I don't recall Carl's good ending mentioning anything about someone from the main cast dying, it only mentions something along the lines of 'poor TJ'. Maybe it could imply some of the side characers from each route dying, but otherwise I dunno either.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/02 22:55:37 No.1489604
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>>1489330
Going out on a limb here, but anybody who sees these monsters usually has some sort of baggage they can't let go of. Maybe he's there to show that it's not just the citizens of Echo who hallucinate, but anyone caught there at a bad time. That being said I feel like whatever is in the town wants you to confront your past and has many ways of keeping you there until some resolution is reached.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/03 02:13:45 No.1489654
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Lol Chase... you can't just leave Flynn like that.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/03 02:47:27 No.1489663
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actually find that quite hilarious too
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Furrynomous 2018/09/03 06:56:15 No.1489708
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>>1489686
Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/09/03 11:23:38 No.1489786
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>>1489686
from the description in the game both demons are different. the one that attacked duke and everyone was said to be gray with 3 holes in its face. the one at the mine was white and had a heart shaped face with shiny black eyes.

however it could be the same one just taking the appearance of the emotions around it. like since there are 7 bodies buried there the emotion of love and innocents either they had or had for them give the creature its heart shaped face and whiteness. and the hate it has for whatever are the eyes. as one would think heart=love white=innocent and black=hate of some kind. although that could just be my pushing it there.

i could be wrong but i dont think chase has the ability to summon them. i think its more or less that they are stalking him. if you recall there was a creature watching him following him when he and kudzu was going to (i think it was) dukes place.then it just backed off. i feel as though the voice in chase's head can trigger a form of telepathy to the demons that causes them to do things.

i personally feel even though carls route was part of everything going on his route was a stand a lone. unlike the other routes so far where everyone is just loosing their minds, carls route was trying to get across there was actually body possession trying to happen and you as the player determine if it happens. i say this because there is a scene at the end where a spirit tries to forcefully take carl while your in the basement and you are holding onto carl trying to pull him from this (what can be described as an) abyss.

but at last these all are only my thoughts and they could be completely wrong in every way. in a way with everything that is going on its almost as though chase actually has the ability to see the true in things but he wont except it. now that i think about it, i bet that voice is either sydney or (with the way it talks and acts VERY possible) flynn

Edited at 2018/09/03 11:41:32
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Furrynomous 2018/09/03 14:42:21 No.1489838
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>>1489786
The voice knew Nik, so it has to be someone from 1915.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/03 23:36:45 No.1490059
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I kind of wish they'd make up their minds about whether shit is all in people's heads as they go nuts or if these demons/aliens/spirits are actually real. Seems to go whichever way the plot calls for instead
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Furrynomous 2018/09/04 07:56:30 No.1490165
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It seems like this madness affecting so many only affects those of a weak mind or fragile state. Looking at all the side characters, drugged up or worse, they're pretty much the definition of weak in the head and it causes them to go crazy. Leo and TJ also seem to be affected by it, Leo damaged by Chase's shitful actions and TJ with what happened to Sydney, they are definitely in a fragile state. They're all vulnerable to this bizarre phenomenon but not everyone. Carl, Jenna, and Flynn are definitely stronger and more stable in the head so they are instead possessed by spirits that have a strong connection to them or their history, either by relation or their situations are similar.

Chase is the oddball in the middle, on the fence of stable and fragile, causing him to be affected on both sides of possession and madness. This can easily place him as the conduit for all this messed up junk, not just cuz I blame him for treating Leo badly, I'll put aside my personal feelings, but a number of people see an otter at the center of this and it draws the link to him. Unless Sydney was an otter then this is just his revenge crap or something LoL

We're definitely meant to get the whole story by completing all character routes, maybe then there's an unlock of a hidden/true route that gives us the answers in a backstory sort of fashion
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Furrynomous 2018/09/04 09:11:28 No.1490183
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>>1490165
i dont think sydney was an otter and if he was he was a VERY terrible one. however new artwork was released yesterday of nik a miner from 1915 so we learn who nik was in leo's last update. with that info of nik and the lines from the game talking about how nik made him memorize the layout of the mine, im starting to think even though we have very little information MAYBE the voice he is hearing is cliff as he is from the mustelidae family just like chase. and going back to look at some of the posts on patreon i read cliff although is a weasle his sprite looks like an otter he has one descendant still living in Echo

Edited at 2018/09/04 09:12:58
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Furrynomous 2018/09/05 14:58:52 No.1490592
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People speculate about what species Sydney was, but I'm wondering why is it a spoiler at all? My only guess is that he's related to someone else.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/05 21:53:02 No.1490675
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i'm here speculating jesus's species.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/05 21:55:25 No.1490676
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>>1489686
that thing is the eternal lol
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Furrynomous 2018/09/08 18:39:45 No.1492095
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I hope Chase gets dark powers if he doesn't I'm pulling my subscription lol
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Walter R. 2018/09/15 05:41:40 No.1494583
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Theory: what if this creature lurking in echo has a foot fetish just trying to get to chase's delicious otter feet?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/17 19:07:21 No.1495411
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What's the deal with Casey on Flynn's route and the gender neutral language? If Casey is MtF, as Chase suspects, why not use she/her, and if it's a fetish thing, why not he/him? The gender neutral language seems unnecessary, and you know it's inevitably going to annoy someone.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/18 11:17:37 No.1495594
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>>1495411
Maybe they're an enby
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Furrynomous 2018/09/18 16:31:29 No.1495642
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>>1495411
Is it even grammatically correct? English isn't my first language so I just assumed that is the correct way to refer to someone if you don't know their gender.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/18 16:49:59 No.1495646
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Furrynomous 2018/09/18 16:51:18 No.1495647
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>>1495642

It's typically one or the other. It's not hard to tell, although I imagine anthros are probably less sexually dimorphic than humans.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/19 19:31:12 No.1495963
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I hope Chase gets dark powers if he doesn't I'm pulling my subscription lolFucking loved the Kudzu route I mean Leo route.

I hope that mega ugly bitch Jenna gets an unhappy ending 2.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/20 00:26:35 No.1496063
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This is it...after all this time... Leo's final update, and the True Ending to the story of Echo, is available for Patrons.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/leos-final-21503318

No crying until the end.

Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/09/20 01:02:26 No.1496068
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>>1496063
I replayed Route 65 and dammit McSkinny, that credit song hits so much harder now.
Does anybody know if we will get some sort of "after it happened" recap for everyone's endings because regardless of who you love/hate there has to be some closure...
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 04:45:20 No.1496413
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So.... are there any actual sex scenes yet? Graphical ones.

I mean the story's okay and all but this is still a furry VN
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 06:13:58 No.1496428
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>>1496413
What's that logic?
The Patreon page never stated there'd be NSFW sex scenes, why would you expect it?

Flynn does have a somewhat sex scene, but that's most likely all you'll ever get. God forbid a furry VN can be successful without having NSFW and "husbandos" as a selling point.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 17:09:30 No.1496629
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Yeah, but if you want to be successful without porn in a VN you need to have an absolutely excellent story.

And this isn't quite there yet.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/21 17:56:41 No.1496638
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Well dont hold your breath.

Like the other person said, sex scenes arent a foregone conclusion just because its a gay furry VN.

Given that it always ever billed itself as a pyscholpgical horror story first and foremost, it doesn't really seem like the most appropriate setting for a bunch of hot & heavy sex. I think Flynn's route is probably the most you're gonna get
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Furrynomous 2018/09/22 08:37:13 No.1496859
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So, I finally played through Echo after having some friends recommend it to me, I picked Carl, cause he seemed to be the cutest of the bunch and I'm so glad I did.

I wasn't expecting much out of the VN, since I heard it was a sister project of Blackgate, which I hated a lot, but oh man did it blow that and every other "furry VN" out of the water. The story really had me gripped, with the way it handled the horror and thriller parts. And when the tension would get too much for me, it added some nice moments of levity and bonding with Carl to even things out. I love how well it managed to handle this stuff without going too over the top.

Can't say the same about Carl's bad route though, I'm glad I did first because pic related is NOT what I ever needed to see of him.

His good route was pretty vague with what happened in town, though I guess that gives incentive to play the other routes, though if gunshots and "Pueblo" are anything to go by, I may have an idea of what Leo, the crazyass was doing.

I was kinda bummed out that Chase didn't stay with Carl at the end, but having gone through all that shit as Chase, I understood and was so relieved that they were still best buddies even after all the bs, even though I think they were super cute together.

I'm looking forward to doing the other routes now, but since it seems like Leo's is the only one that's done, I guess I'm doing that. I'm really worried though, Leo doesn't seem that stable, so I wonder if his route's going to have any moment of calmness, since Chase might not have anyone to lean on like he had Carl in his route..

Edited at 2018/09/22 08:37:40
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Furrynomous 2018/09/23 09:24:08 No.1497417
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>Yeah, but if you want to be successful without porn in a VN you need to have an absolutely excellent story.

>And this isn't quite there yet.


...that's just, like, your opinion man >_>.
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emoney 2018/09/24 00:32:06 No.1497637
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here's my opinion on the routes

Jenna: Not much is going on we haven't seen much of evil ghosts from her past

Carl:His route is done not much to do with town only evil basement and trying to survive(Carl,Jenna,Chase and Raven) and deal with evil ghosts and some what falling in love with Chase and getting over his lazy attitude trying to find a job or finish college.

TJ:A few spooks but not much so far not much chemistry between Chase and TJ. Dealing with ghost of Sydney is cool. I hope more evil from the towns have a impact on the route.

Flynn: Bunch gay fucking and we know bit more about him. So far not much evil spooks from the town or ghosts

Leo:This route is super fucked up thanks to all ghosts and evil stuff and Brian and Duke. Kadzu is great addition and Leo is going mad. Many times chase getting hurt so many times.

it feels routes are bit too disconnected from each. I was hoping they could intertwined with each other and see same events but from different POV and learn more things about the town and the characters. It seems like only in Carl's route does Chase remember about his school project and actually does something about it.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/25 09:57:56 No.1498294
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come ooooon
can this game have an alternate ending where chase and leo get back together??
And Not That Other Ending You Know I'm Talking About.
leo and chase is my favourite pair and have been rooting their romance since this VN came out in august 2015.
everytime they're together is really freakin sweet.but since the fuckening, all the interactions they got is really yandere-esque.i can condone leo's obsessive behavior, but when that behavior can lead to violence, i don't like it at all.
i really wished chase would just shout or getting leo sense back again and get out alive together.or maybe leo would just protect him from a life threatening situation like keeping that monster away from chase idk.
that breakup ending is not bad, but heartbreaking.muh emotion man.with that sweet music playing in the background (btw, the song 'emo' is excellent even with the duration of 15 seconds.you dev team should work on it more and use that for the closing of the route.maybe add in beat, snars, and violins in.) kuddos for howly and mcskinny for playing with my feelings only just by typing words on their computers.lol that sounded quite degrading...
what i'm trying to say is you both have a talent in writing that someone can have a shift of emotion by reading your works.
i really wished leo's route isn't the true one rather that we have a neutral one with no love interest where we play chase's path uncovering the truth or whatever.welp anyway, thanks for the ride with both finished route~

Edited at 2018/09/25 10:20:26
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Furrynomous 2018/09/25 10:14:35 No.1498295
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Thanks for the spoilers.
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McSkinny 2018/09/26 19:27:34 No.1498752
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>>1498294

McSkinny here! Thanks for the words of kindness! I love emo.ogg, too. I ended up making a mix of it for the ending credits of Route 65, so it might be a bit redundant to do that again. The main game will be getting proper credits with music eventually, though.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/28 23:52:56 No.1499488
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So if we aren't getting sex scenes in any of the routes, why did they make nude sprites for all the characters?
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emoney 2018/09/29 00:37:05 No.1499495
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>>1498752
no problem I mention my thoughts about echo on twitter, youtube on Deckerlink's video and during the podcast. I had shit tons of questions for but he only picked one or two(I had many for the main game and route 65)
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Furrynomous 2018/09/29 09:03:28 No.1499608
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>>1498294
That can't be the only Leo ending...this is wrong...he needs help, someone to bring together his broken pieces from that miserable excuse for a breakup years ago...no Chase that's not how you treat people who care for you, mutual understanding that's how you breakup

This...hurts
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Furrynomous 2018/09/29 11:15:44 No.1499631
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>>1499608
petition to get howly to write ending C.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/29 16:30:28 No.1499702
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The ending was heartbreaking. Not just because they broke up, I could live with that, but the way it happened, I can't help but think Chase screwed Leo over AGAIN. Are we supposed to think that this was somehow different than what he had done before just because this time he said it's over? It's not even clear if he wanted it or not. He had no choice at the time, but he could have easily fixed this later and he didn't. The talk they had at the end was too little too late. Maybe it was inevitable, maybe that's what Leo needed to realize what he did wrong, but we don't really know that and neither did Chase. As for Kudzu, I have to say I did not see this coming at all. People joked about it, but I never thought it would actually happen. Normally I would be happy for them, but considering what happened to Leo it felt really bittersweet.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/30 05:34:10 No.1499907
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>>1499702
ikr?
that is something i noticed too.before everything went downhill, chase's feeling toward leo has no problem whatsoever.he was still in love with him even after being in the mess they were in.chase wanting to save leo from duke is proof enough, isn't it?
but all of a sudden, we get to choose to broke up with him.there was no or little development toward that.what someone feel to others when deciding to do that big decision is usually heartbroken toward their partner.if somehow leo did something that broke chase's heart, for example killing one of the group member, then that would work.yeah leo did become aggressive a little, but that's not a reason i would use to cut my love with someone.maybe that's the reason howly/mcskinny use to make chase did it, but i don't feel it.it didn't work for me.
did chase really want to do it?
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Furrynomous 2018/09/30 13:55:42 No.1500048
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>>1499907

I think if you were in Chase's shoes you would do exactly what he did. You'd really just get back together with someone who was warped into a posessive, controlling lunatic who showed a willingness to harm or kill people for ridiuclous reasons?

Even if it was fucked up external forces that caused it, would you really feel safe around that person anymore? Maybe you would. I wouldn't. I still sympathize with Leo, he really got screwed over in many ways, but I understand Chase's reaction. Could've been handled better, sure, but Chase was pretty traumatized.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/30 14:35:13 No.1500059
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>>1500048
Nobody said they should have got back together. Chase had two years to break up with Leo properly and he didn't even try. He could have done it through the phone if he was scared.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/01 00:56:24 No.1500304
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>>1500059
> "Nobody said they should have got back together."

(a few messages higher on the same topic)

>>1498294
>"come ooooon
>can this game have an alternate ending where chase and leo get back together??"

Edited at 2018/10/01 00:56:43
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Furrynomous 2018/10/01 05:40:18 No.1500363
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>>1500304
If you want to argue about something then quote the right person.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/01 07:36:47 No.1500391
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>>1500048
Forget how Leo is now, he wasn't so back in the day, I think that's what most people are pointing to. The way they "broke up" was just...wrong...for lack of a stronger word. That really screwed Leo up and so now he's all possessive and the external forces aren't giving him a sense of boundaries or limitations. He's fucked up, we all can admit that, but it's hardly right to call him out for it without aiming it at the root cause
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Furrynomous 2018/10/02 07:02:29 No.1500772
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will any of the routes actually end with Chase in a relationship with that character we're 2/5 now and they were the ones most likely to end up with romance
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Furrynomous 2018/10/02 07:23:06 No.1500775
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>>1500772
I doubt it. I was expecting Leo's route to potentially end that way since he was the only one of his friends that Chase was romantically interested in. But now I'm expecting the remaining routes to end like Carl's where things get kinda flirty but ultimately don't work out with people traumatized from the lurking madness.
Also the story is very clearly not focused on romance.
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Luis 2018/10/02 10:17:13 No.1500800
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So with this update came tge confirmation that Chase has some kind of ancestor affecting his actions, kinda like Carl and Jenna to a lesser dregree, most likely we will play as this character when demos of Echo 1915 start development, we now know that he is involved with William, Nikolai, Clifford and Cynthia (characters teased for 1915) and that they will probably be the main routes, though judging by what the "entity" says there will most likely not going to be a happy ending for them.

As for Leo's endings, i saw that coming, the chemistry between Chase and Kudzu from thd begining was stronger that Chase and Leo's since the begining, though i'm sad that the only way for Leo to move on is to go through that heartbreak and almost two years of pain. But it was something that it was heavily hinted at from the early days of his route and even that bracelet, ever since i saw that it was an anchor i thought that there was not going to be a true happy ending. I really want to give kudos to Howly for making a truly compeling route that shows that sometimes what is best is to let go of someone. Ultimately Leo's happy ending is only achieved when he cuts of Chase from his life proving that Leo himself was not the only problem, rather it was the self-absorbing relationship they had built, both of them knew that they should just let go, that it wasn't good for both of them yet they both held on, only Leo was so much vocal about it, Echo's issues only pushed him towards the tipping edge of obsession. Their relationship was correctly symbolized with an anchor.
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Luis 2018/10/02 10:17:20 No.1500801
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Also, Kudzu is still best boy.

Edited at 2018/10/02 10:18:49
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Furrynomous 2018/10/02 17:32:40 No.1500885
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Showing Leo "doing better" felt like a cheap way to justify Chase's actions. "See? Everything just happened to work out in the end, so it was the right thing to do!" Well, that's convenient, but Chase is still an asshole. And so is Kudzu while we're at it, because apparently he didn't care about Leo either. Also I just realized it doesn't even matter if you saw the texts or not. What was the point of that?
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Furrynomous 2018/10/02 19:42:22 No.1500916
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SO is it me or is this like a R.L STINE book there is no actual end to explain anything that happens!
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Furrynomous 2018/10/03 00:18:07 No.1501031
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>>1500904
I seem to remember, didn't they say Leo was gonna have 3 endings, with one of them being the "canon" ending?
Either way, maybe after all the routes are done we get a final route that straight up explains what's going on.

Or maybe it'll be explained in one of the upcoming ones.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/03 01:34:46 No.1501044
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God I just.... I really dislike this ending. I mean don't get me wrong it's good writing and it ended the way it probably should have but just..... damn.


Am I the only one who just flatout dislikes Chase? Not only did he screw Leo over TWICE now, but he's probably the cause of Sydney's death and he keeps chosing to ignore the voice in his head that if he otherwise acknowledged then he probably wouldn't be so fucking clueless in every scene to begin with?

And I agree, I love Kudzu but it just felt like such a gut punch. Imagine being Leo, and knowing that the person you fell in love with fell in love with your next door neighbor and you couldn't protect him the way he did, and you barely had any control over yourself because of what was possessing you? His story is so dark and tragic and it really hits close to home. The final gut punch was when they chose not to keep communications. Man. The writing for this game is so amazing. I've never felt so connected and invested in these characters as I have for other games/shows. This game is kinda reminiscent of Bojack Horseman for me. It makes me feel things, man. Thanks for the wild ride, Howly, and I can't wait for the other routes to explore the full story.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/03 17:19:50 No.1501236
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>>1501031
>3 endings
You know, I wonder if that has anything to do with the relationship points system I recall being mentioned before. Maybe some things aren't available/revealed on purpose until the system gets implemented. Could be a way to not spoil anything even if the routes are being updated via votes or something.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/03 21:17:54 No.1501286
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I Fucking LOVED this ending, and the whole vn in general. The writing is so well done and i actually feel sympathetic for these characters. Props to Howly and McSkinny.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 02:32:47 No.1501395
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>>1501044
These people really make us feel for their characters, draw a connection so we can see their point of view. I knew I was fooling myself into believing they'd let Chase help Leo so they could stay together, but the aim of the route always seemed to point at Chase to get his shit together and speak out for once. Leo, justified/understandably, did enough things to question but the fact Chase always just let's things go and not speak up was the center problem of their relationship. It was always pushing him to finally speak up which made it the only possible outcome for the route

My heart is broken over Leo but I still love the game, anything that gets my emotional goose like this is surely well made
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 02:36:02 No.1501401
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>>1501044
I mean, Leo was the one who declined to keep in contact. And honestly, it was probably the healthiest decision to be made. And they basically promised to meet up sometime in the future.

Man, I'm a little disappointed that we only really got an epilogue for Carl in this ending. No resolution about TJ's apparently total mental break down, nothing about Jenna or Flynn either. Though I did like that there was a hook about Flynn in the mines to make you wanna do his story. And I guess you can learn what broke TJ in his story.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 02:38:46 No.1501402
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>>1501044
I assume its gonna be the sort of thing where bits of the background are revealed arc by arc. You gotta do every route to know the entire story. Like Carl's route is about the settlers of the town, Leo's route is about the present day town falling apart, TJ's route is presumably going to be about whatever happened to Sidney, and what happened in the mines makes me feel that Flynn's route is going to be about what happened 100 years ago in the mines.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 06:58:27 No.1501450
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>>1501395
When did he speak up exactly? At the end? Telling someone "I can't do this" and leaving is not really speaking up. The only time he confronts Leo is at the diner after he reads the texts, but since it's optional, it's completely pointless. I thought the point of the route was for Chase to figure out what he really wants and I don't think he ever does. He breaks up with Leo, not because he wants to, but because he has no other choice. It's frustrating and unsatisfying. Maybe it was intentional and that's fine, but I'm not sure if that is the case.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 10:10:11 No.1501474
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>>1501450
He hasn't that's the problem, he never does, he never did
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 11:17:49 No.1501492
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>>1501450
>>1501474
To be fair, he did speak up at the diner. And after that there weren't exactly any good times TO talk about it, they were constantly under threat of dying. And the entire time, Leo became worse and worse, even as people told him he was going too far. And at the end, Leo wanted an answer right then and there when Chase wanted to at least wait til they were on the train.
And honestly, if not for everything going to hell, there's a good chance Chase would have broken up with Leo at the diner anyway. Everything that happened after was just more proof that it needed to happen.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 11:22:06 No.1501495
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So what is the choice that causes Leo's A and B ending? Is it whether Chase checks Leo's phone? Or is it just the final decision? I wouldn't call the ending where Leo pulls Chase off the train a "proper" ending

If that is ending B, is anything in the story really changed by Chase not checking Leo's phone?
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 11:51:28 No.1501502
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>>1501492
Honestly, you're right, though my gripe with him is before the game and how he just left. If things have been so bad even before coming back, or just to prevent things from getting worse, he should've done something about it

>>1501495
Part of me wants to believe there's a C for every route, I mean why release the endings before the game's out. I hope at least. And there's still a chance for "true endings" like in most games once you play through all routes
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Furrynomous 2018/10/04 17:59:32 No.1501645
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>>1501502
Chase did admit that he messed up. I don't think his leaving had anything to do with Leo, more to do with hating the town. The fact that Leo didn't want to leave was the main issue. Their current issues are mostly just about how Chase left Leo like he did.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/05 02:11:36 No.1501764
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>>1501495
Yeh train choice is the endings branch. Phone thing only affect the diner scene a bit.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/10 07:29:59 No.1503966
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So I finished Leo's route A. Damn did it hit a bit too close to home...
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Furrynomous 2018/10/11 05:55:15 No.1504385
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>>1503966
Honestly same. It was weird, I saw myself in both Leo and Chase, along with seeing my ex in both of us too.

Granted, neither of us pulled a gun on each other. But eh.

Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/10/11 11:57:57 No.1504513
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Am I the only one who's weirded out by the fact that going on Leo's route makes you end up with Kudzu, a patreon character?
It feels weird that the "true" route is Chase dating someone's fursona.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/11 16:06:10 No.1504608
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>>1504513
I don't find it weird, since Kudzu is so well integrated in the cast, it doesn't feel like he sticks out in any negative way.

Contrarily to Raven, you'd have to tell me Kudzu is someone's fursona, I wouldn't have wondered about it or figured it out on my own.

Funfact btw: Kudzu, the person, actually wanted his character to die in the ending (or at least one of the endings). The one where Kudzu ends up with Chase however he didn't expect nor asked for it.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/12 05:51:54 No.1504896
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>>1504385
Yeah, it felt... wrong. Not only was Chase forgiven, it's almost like he was rewarded for his bad choices. He gets a new boyfriend while Leo cries himself to sleep every night for two years.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/13 00:28:57 No.1505197
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TJ update on the 19th. They also posted concept art of a Hendricks character from 1915.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/13 00:28:58 No.1505198
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>>1505197
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Furrynomous 2018/10/13 00:29:00 No.1505199
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>>1505197
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Furrynomous 2018/10/14 00:35:39 No.1505562
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Where can I gett all the art of William from 1915?
He is great.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/21 15:45:16 No.1508294
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https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8891130/

Goddammit, not again. Is this game cursed or something? Have they made any announcements regarding this?
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McSkinny 2018/10/21 22:02:16 No.1508400
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>>1508294

Yeah, no formal announcement from us. We were fortunate that we managed to get all the main cast and major character sprites completed before he decided to leave. I suppose at this point, we mainly will see if we can find folks with illustration manipulation skills for expressions, and maybe a new/guest artist like gayskeletondad to potentially do some minor characters like Clint, Brian, Jeremy, Janice, Heather, etc. If you folk have any questions or suggestions, feel free to hit me up on the disc. server.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/21 23:05:12 No.1508420
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>>1504513
I felt it was well done enough. It felt natural, and the writing was good enough that I felt more attached to him than to Leo by the end.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/22 13:32:09 No.1508643
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>>1508294
Damn... I hope things gets better for them.


And what's this about being cursed? New uhm... fan you see.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/22 13:47:08 No.1508646
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>>1508643
They switched art styles several times, depending on the characters, some of them were more "proof of concepts" though and never incorporated (the cartooney look after the first sprites).

If you've played the prequel "Route 65", it's how the sprites originally looked like in Echo.

Leo for example went from his first sprite you can see in Route 65, to a cartooney look concept (that was scrapped but still viewable on the project's furaffinity page), then his current sprite but without the gut (IIRC) and with a lighter colour scheme and simpler shading (it looked more homogeneous), and now with his gut and darker shading.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/22 23:21:24 No.1508811
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So why did characters get naked sprites if they aren't going to actually be implemented?
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Furrynomous 2018/10/23 07:43:20 No.1508889
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>>1508811
Maybe it's easier to dress the character up later? I take the same approach when drawing.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/23 14:41:01 No.1508990
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So I guess they're just gonna stick with the existing sprites? The story is rapidly progressing towards completion and I kinda doubt that we're gonna get a full rework by another artist plus emotive ones on top of that.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/24 11:12:20 No.1509263
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someone confirm ending C I wanna know if I'll ever get my money's worth ;-;
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Furrynomous 2018/10/24 12:33:55 No.1509275
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>>1509263
Hey uhm... just keep on supporting them so we (the cheap and the poor) can enjoy this yeah?
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URRRGGHFGHFGHFHGFH Furrynomous 2018/10/26 07:49:45 No.1510132
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PEOPLE. The writers aren't even done with this yet. THERE ARE MORE ENDINGS TO COME SO CALM YOUR ASSES. . . I KNOW I CANT CALM MY OWN. WHATS WITH THE SHITTY ENDING WITH LEO FUUUUCK.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/26 11:21:56 No.1510161
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>>1510132
I doubt we'll get any more endings for the routes that are already finished. Not once have I read anywhere that's even a possibility.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/28 02:40:19 No.1510748
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I finished Leo's route, both A and B ending, and wow, what an emotional roller coaster! This visual novel reminds me one of those tragedies written by ancient Greeks. It even has the same dramatic structure, and with that go the emotions as well. How amazing!


In exposition I was grinning like a loon, feeling happy how diverse the characters are, and well, yeah, I felt for Leo the moment he opened his muzzle. And then TJ, Carl, Jenna, Flynn and even that rock called Chase, all of them caught my interest.


In rising action I realized something bad is going on. The project Chase wanted to do opened my eyes and it was a little hint that this is going to end badly for my beloved characters. Still, how Leo acted, awww, I was surprised it took Chase so much time to hug that huge puppy. From what I knew Leo didnt do anything horrible to Chase in the past, it was mostly the town, Echo, that Chase despised, and all of his friends including Leo lived there and went through something horrible and unpleasant. Oh Chase...


In climax I thought I was done, like seriously I wanted to end the game the moment those psychos entered the diner, but not because it was a bad turn of events or that the writing was bad, it just, I realized I am playing a horror visual novel, and well, and was hard to accept it even after those big hints that sometihng sinister is happening in Echo.


In falling action on the contrary I couldnt stop playing, so much tense! And Chase, my poor Chase, he went through the worst of it! I admire him a lot for staying sharp, I would just curl up into a crying ball in Leo's lap. And Leo, oh wow, what happened to him? I felt that Chase wasnt there for him, and that's why he became so, hm, determined and loco? But then again it is hard to blame Chase, who himself needed someone to comfort him, and becasue Leo was out, of course Kudzu went for it (and it was worth it for him in the end). Too bad there was noone to comfort Leo, noone...


In denouement I just cried, in both A and B. Sure, one of them is super scary and had my mouth opened the whole time, but that one with the closure between Leo and Chase, oh dear Lord. The only visual novel I cried in was Morenatsu, in Kouyas ending, but that was becasue I realized how sad my own friendless childhood was and how I didnt have anyone to care about me, but with Echo, wow, I felt something different, even if the outcome (crying) was the same. The amazing music, the memorable place, the words, oh just everything seriously. I know that neither Chase nor Leo died like in a classical tragedy, sure, but something else died, their love. Or maybe it was still dying, still trying to survive, grasping at straws, but both of them made their choice and eventually the love will stop existing.


I just hope they will both be happy. I feel like Chase has a better chance to "get over" Leo and to live a fulfilling life. He has someone to care about and will be far far away from the town he hates. But I worry about Leo. I wouldnt be surprised if he ended up alone for the rest of his life, maybe having only hook ups. Lets face it, Leo loved Chase more than Chase loved Leo. Leo will be always crying while thinking about Chase, because he thinks it was ONLY his fault that Chase broke up with him. And I hate it! No Chase, you are BOTH responsible for it, it wasnt just Leo and Echo, it was you as well. I think he knows that, even if he doesnt want to acknowledge it. The knife in his chest is the proof of that and every time he will think about Leo, the knife will appear in his chest. Damn, something is falling in my eyes again. Or is someone cutting onions?


Sorry for such a big text, I just needed to get it all out of my system. Overall I loved this route, yes, just like I love other amazing tragedies. Even if you cry in the end, it does have positive influence on your soul. And you will end up thinking about it and going back to play it again and again despite the horrible pain it causes you.

Edited at 2018/10/28 02:41:31
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Feyster 2018/10/29 09:55:01 No.1511134
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If I'm being honest, if Leo is the true route, then I gotta admit that I'm dissapointed. It really doesn't do...anything? With my experience with Visual Novels, the true route is meant to give answers to not only everything but provide a proper closure. Leo's route doesn't really do that. In fact, a lot of the time, I thought he was one of those fake true route kinds. You think he's the true route cause he appears so much, but it's actually the character who doesn't really appear at all.

If anything, TJ kind of makes a better true route character. He's connected to Sydney and he and Chase are kind of at the center of this all. I really do think TJ would better suit as the main love interest, even if it's not obvious.

Then again, that's just my impressions. I do got to say I was kinda expecting more from this though, even if that's cruel to say.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/29 13:44:34 No.1511170
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yeah i think either tj is going to be the true route, OR theres going to be a true route thats away from the other routes that theyll add in the future. leos route is super good and i loved it but no way thats the True route
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Furrynomous 2018/10/29 16:26:45 No.1511236
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There is no true or canon route, but yeah, TJ's makes the most sense if only because it deals with Sydney's death. I get that all of the routes are supposed to be separate stories, but they all start with the prologue, where Sydney's death is set up as very important to the plot. So it feels weird when most routes almost completely ignore it.
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Furrynomous 2018/10/31 10:29:46 No.1511901
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Looks like update will be delayed guys... :[
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Furrynomous 2018/11/02 22:01:30 No.1512812
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That was heartbreaking, playing Leo's full route, I...I don't...I have no words. I know it was for the best to end things but...I felt every thought in Chase's head...I could really feel that knife. It ended as happy as it could've and with a great guy like Kudzu...but its just...bittersweet...I don't know what to say...good...bad...I guess that's just how it is...gaining something great means losing something equal

Well that Echo, Route 65, and Benefits...is that all there is to this game? Is there more content or just finishing Echo itself?
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Furrynomous 2018/11/03 01:07:28 No.1512913
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>>1512812
I personally despised Leo, having kuzdu hijack his route and ended the way it did was for the best IMO. Leo clung on to the past to the point it festered and became an obsession. In a way the ending was a firm kick in the ass to move on.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/04 04:28:28 No.1513428
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>>1512812
There's also going to be an additional story happening around 1915, but it's not done yet. You can find some sprites in this thread actually.
>>1380412

>>1511901
Kinda sucks not getting a new update this month but I kinda get it. Progress has been excellent for at least one year so I'd assume a short break is more than needed.

Edited at 2018/11/04 09:41:31
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Feyster 2018/11/06 12:30:00 No.1514410
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I still think TJ should be the true route. Saying that no route is the true route or such kinda feels like a cop out so that nothing makes sense. The best way for this to go is that either TJ is the true route or by some fucked up thing that happesn after you finish everyone else's route, Sidney somehow comes back and becomes the true route. Honestly with the type of story Echo seems to be, I can see that totally being a thing. Either way, the true route has to answer the questions that are brought up in everyone's route. You can't just cop out of it by saying there isn't a true route.

Honestly TJ is adorable though, so I don't mind him being the true route. Especially since it makes sense to have it be TJ. TJ is effectively the most innocent of them all, characters like him always make great true route love interests. Not only to see his own opinion on things compared to the protagonist and others, but because unlike the others who are a lot more jaded and such, TJ is a very sweet person. Sure he might be hiding things or keeping secretive about it, but that's another thing that adds to his charm.

Leo feels like a fake true love interest, the one you are meant to think is the main. TJ could either by the main love interest or the one who leads to the true love interest. Either is interesting. TJ interesting because of how he is and his connections to the plot, but if somehow Sydney becomes a love interest through some fucked up shit that's either a time warp or a reality shift to a world where Sydney never died and the only one who remembers the original is like Chase or his friends is interesting too.

I think if they did find a way to bring Sydney into this, it would be interesting. Because time and time again, we are told that Sydney was a friend but not a good person and no one liked him apart from Flin, but he says no one really knew Sydney. So having Sydney come back and such is interesting, especially if he isn't anything like we expect.

That's just my idea anyway, I'm not one of the creators, so meh.
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Feyster 2018/11/06 13:09:32 No.1514419
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Also, please tell me Echo isn't one of the stories where the characters never find out what's going on, but the player does. Because those stories aren't any fun at all. The best part of learning the truth of what's going on is how the characters react, not how the players react. So if no route ever lets the characters learn exactly what's going on...then that's going to be extremely depressing.
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McSkinny 2018/11/07 19:36:49 No.1514892
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>>1514410

There is no "true" route. In a Q & A, Howly stated that Leo was the most "canon" route, but that comment has since been rescinded. We want folks to play the different routes to get varying perspectives on past traumas and the present unfolding events, with no weighted importance placed upon any above others.

Except for Carl. Carl is best boy.
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Feyster 2018/11/09 07:03:31 No.1515529
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>>1514892
I can't say I will continue keeping up with Echo then, sadly. I much prefer stories with canon paths and routes. So something like this with no canon route just kinda irks me and makes things like my OCD act up.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/12 08:15:02 No.1516561
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>>1512913
Yeah I know, it was the healthiest ending, but I really cared for Leo...wanted him to get actual help, not stay in that shit town and work it out for himself only to end it at Chase having the "happy" ending like he deserved it

>>1513428
Thanks a bunch I almost forgot, I've seen those numbers before but don't remember where, must have skimmed over a post and thought it was something else...cool
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Furrynomous 2018/11/13 00:14:51 No.1516833
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>>1515529
I mean I'm pretty sure most VNs that aren't like part of a series don't have a "canon" path.

And why would "canon" matter for a single game story? It's not like the story continues past this installment. Just pick the ending you like most as "canon". Or just go with their old statement that Leo is canon
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Furrynomous 2018/11/13 11:12:31 No.1516980
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You don't have to like it, but visual novels are probably the only medium that does this kind of thing.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/22 23:40:22 No.1520303
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In one of the Q&As, Howly did say whether or not there's a secret route is a secret, so there could be a neutral route that ties everything together (maybe a route dedicated to Chase's problems?).

Although, I wonder what's the reasoning for leaving the voice in Chase's head in Leo's ending if they don't plan on a sequel.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/24 09:46:41 No.1520775
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I am assuming that the Adastra demo was released in the locked post? If so, how was it for those that have played it?
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Furrynomous 2018/12/02 01:05:30 No.1523666
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TJ finally got some content. Also, new art.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/02 15:04:43 No.1523970
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>>1523666
Going through TJ's route again made me realize that it really hadn't gotten updated in a while. I couldn't actually tell anymore where the old content ended and where the update begins. Though I'm happy this route is finally being worked on, I've been enjoying it a lot so far. Especially since the other routes have not particularly revealed a lot about TJ/Sydney so far.

>>1520775
I'm also curious, I'd love to take a look at it but there is no way I can support it on patreon.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/15 15:57:39 No.1528188
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Adastra public demo is up on the Echo Patreon now for those that don't know. It's pretty good. Wonder if it deserves its own thread.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/16 17:50:06 No.1528452
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Adastra Public Build 0.1

WIN: http://www.mediafire.com/file/3w6mu9ccvo9tznd/Adastra-0.1-win.zip/file

MAC: http://www.mediafire.com/file/ts44h27819sxkhi/Adastra-0.1-mac.zip/file

Linux: http://www.mediafire.com/file/gc9lzssl5gngums/Adastra-0.1-linux.tar.bz2/file

Android: http://www.mediafire.com/file/p7wvat5jljdiwm2/Adastra-0.1-release.apk/file

So here it is! The first build of a new visual novel that I've been working on in between Echo updates. It's a single-route (for now), romantic, sci-fi adventure with some political intrigue mixed in. Tell me what you think!

The wonderful sprite art is done by Haps. You can find him on twitter @GotSomeHaps

The also wonderful background art is done by BlackSun. You can find her under the name BlackSunDi on Furaffinity.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/17 14:39:45 No.1528701
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Oh Amicus, abduct me please.

AdAstra is looking good so far. Now I thirst for more.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/17 20:37:19 No.1528819
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>>1528452
The wolf is super hot, the demo ended with a little tease too. I hope this gets updates regularly
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Furrynomous 2018/12/18 08:07:10 No.1529076
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>>1528452
excuse muh bitch ass bitch but will there be porn ;D ;D ~~~~~?

well at the very least will there be romance between those two?
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Furrynomous 2018/12/19 01:47:25 No.1529325
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God the MC for Adastra is a non-thankful human. Shit, Amicus can take me away right now. Hot af wolf, thats for damn sure.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/19 11:14:50 No.1529393
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>>1529076
The description does say it will be a romance, and I have to assume that will be with Amicus. And judging from previous posts and the fact that there was a nude sprite in the demo files, it will probably have porn.

Edited at 2018/12/19 11:17:23
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Furrynomous 2018/12/19 14:59:22 No.1529456
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This is...actually really fun. Of course I would have done things differently when he asked "wouldn't I enjoy seeing the galaxius" cuz hell yeah I would. But I'd also sit him down for a serious talk on simple boundaries and manners LoL

All in all I already fell in love with this game, its practically my personal fantasy, I especially love Amicus' sprite, the art is really nice...maybe we should start a new thread for this game
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Rody 2018/12/19 18:30:37 No.1529508
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>>1528452

First vn that I've liked in a long time. Story feels very original and the characters have already got me pulled in. The part where the mc ball busts Amicus gave me a pretty good chuckle and I'm glad it subverted my initial expectation for most furry visual novels. Love the title too (then again I'm biased since I'm a Roman history nerd).

Would love to help out with the project if you need someone to produce music for the novel. Also, is there a patreon or donation link where we can support the project? Really wanna see this one succeed.

Cheers
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Furrynomous 2018/12/19 23:38:17 No.1529576
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>>1529456

I agree :3 this definitely deserves its own thread and probably its own patreon imo
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Furrynomous 2018/12/20 03:15:22 No.1529600
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Hmm should I wait for December's end to play this game? (On metered internet here, so yeah...)
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Furrynomous 2018/12/29 13:26:28 No.1532474
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How close is this game to completion?

Is there at least one route that's complete, or nah?
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Furrynomous 2018/12/29 13:42:44 No.1532485
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>>1532474
Two routes ended so far; Leo and Carl.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/29 19:44:38 No.1532579
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Daily reminder Carl is best husbando.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/30 00:16:12 No.1532692
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How do I get the best ending with Carl?I got the ending where you stay "friends" with him after the entire fiasco, but aren't actually a couple.

I get the feeling maybe I should have allowed the spirit to possess him? Or what else? Thanks.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/30 01:45:34 No.1532726
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>>1532692
Echo doesn't really have "best routes". It's more... "choose this, get that perspective" cuz there are 2 endings for both Carl and Leo, and I assume each ending is suppose to piece together the overall story about the town.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/30 01:52:31 No.1532729
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>>1532726
I see. Well, is there an ending where you and Carl actually end up together following the Echo ordeal? If so, what are the options I have to follow? Like I said, I got the ending where you and Carl end up staying just friends, going to college together and being roommates.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/30 09:28:59 No.1532815
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>>1484981

Wait, so those short stories have sex scenes?
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Furrynomous 2018/12/30 09:44:09 No.1532823
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>>1532815
I looked all over, where are these Benefits stories?

They exist right?
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Furrynomous 2018/12/30 10:09:00 No.1532826
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>>1532823
Benefits and the short stories are still Patreon exclusive, IIRC.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/31 01:54:35 No.1533079
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>>1532826
What tier are they at?

Have a link to the patreon post?
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Furrynomous 2018/12/31 12:01:29 No.1533185
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This game's too much, man. Don't get me wrong, it's great, and captivating, but it's almost anxiety-inducing.

Still, props for being awesome.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/31 15:41:19 No.1533269
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>>1533079

https://www.patreon.com/join/EchoGame/checkout?rid=282367&redirect_uri=%2Fposts%2Fbonus-story-1-3590806
https://www.patreon.com/join/EchoGame/checkout?rid=282367&redirect_uri=%2Fposts%2Fbonus-story-2-3943507
https://www.patreon.com/join/EchoGame/checkout?rid=282367&redirect_uri=%2Fposts%2Fbonus-story-3-5101258
https://www.patreon.com/join/EchoGame/checkout?rid=282367&redirect_uri=%2Fposts%2Fbonus-story-4-6888416
https://www.patreon.com/join/EchoGame/checkout?rid=282367&redirect_uri=%2Fposts%2Fbonus-story-5-7182307
https://www.patreon.com/join/EchoGame/checkout?rid=282367&redirect_uri=%2Fposts%2Fbonus-story-6-8075700
https://www.patreon.com/join/EchoGame/checkout?rid=282367&redirect_uri=%2Fposts%2Fbonus-story-7-13213556
https://www.patreon.com/join/EchoGame/checkout?rid=282367&redirect_uri=%2Fposts%2Fbonus-story-6-15803997

That's it , I think. All in the 10$ tier. And yes, there's two different bonus story 6.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/31 17:51:48 No.1533342
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Well, since I heard two of the routes were completed this month, I had to go ahead and play them.

Am I the only one that got 'Undertale' vibes from the game? For example, the dialogue from some entity when you begin the game that tells you "you always come back" and "like this town, you're only moving in circles."

Then that scene at the lake, where Flynn starts arguing with everyone. He goes off on the protag/Chase, accusing them of just viewing the other characters as sexual objects to be won and tossed aside; if you speak to one of the other characters afterwards (I can't remember if it's Leo or Carl), they tell you that Flynn dislikes Chase because he's "changed", having lost his snarkiness and personality and seemingly becoming passive and boring (almost as if he's being controlled by another entity... either the ghostly one, or the real PLAYER). Also, when playing Flynn's route, the similarities between Sydney and Chara.

It's almost like the entity within Chase is constantly resetting the timeline to sexually fool around with his friends, or something, because for all his show of trying to act like he's over Echo, he's drawn to the town out of nostalgia. Hence, why I said this game reminded me very much of 'Undertale'. Idk, it's just a thought.

Edited at 2018/12/31 20:09:34
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Furrynomous 2019/01/01 21:48:55 No.1533932
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Ew, Flynn's route is so sleazy
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Furrynomous 2019/01/02 01:03:51 No.1533999
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>>1533932
Lol yeah.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/03 21:36:33 No.1534732
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The latest build is out, and there's some new art.

Also, Echo now has luchadores.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/03 22:44:44 No.1534758
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>>1534732
Guessing stranj quit?
well it's not like he worked for this game anyway.dev team just commissioned drawing from him for the game.his drawing was excellent.well this one isn't bad nevertheless.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/04 08:17:18 No.1534901
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>>1534732
It's beautiful. I think I like this art style more than Stranj's. My only problem is it's gonna clash with old CGs, but what can you do.
>>1534758
I doubt anyone working on the game signed a contract or something. If someone decides to quit they quit.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/06 02:51:04 No.1535465
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This TJ routes got me fucked up, WHATS IN THE DAMN BOX?
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Furrynomous 2019/01/06 06:59:32 No.1535512
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The fucking abusive father thing with whoever you're controlling. Sydney? In Flynn's route. Jesus fuck that brought back some bad memories. Amazing writing.
Just caught up on TJ's, yeah, that was definitely Sidney we were playing as earlier. Damn this shit's good! I wonder what species Sydney is, though, we know his dad has a tail. I keep thinking he's a feline, like TJ.
Edit: I hate Julian so much. I don't know why, but something about him rubs me the wrong way.

Edited at 2019/01/06 07:52:53
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Luis 2019/01/06 10:25:10 No.1535574
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New public build new thougths.

Man, Flynn and TJ's routes are definetively spoiler heavy, each route on their own have more lore content than Carl's and Leo's route combined, the writting is beyond excellent, can we agree that the scene in which we see Sydney past makes you feel really uncomfortable... And thats awesome!, thats the point of that scene to make you feel like Sydney felt, to immerse us in that situation, in that moment i just felt like: "damn, so is that how it is?" Outstading how even now the good writing keeps making a strong pressence.

Now on to spoilery stuff.

[ i'm gonna call it now like a called Chase ending up with Kudzu, Chase either killed Sydney or witnessed Sydney's death and didn't help him, its pretty cleae by now Chase is HEAVILY involved in Sydney's death, i wonder is how did it happen? And why do i have the feeling sydney is an otter like Chase?.

Also, What the actual living holy fuck with the creepy van?, we have zero idea whats it's deal or how it affects the story, it has appeared sparingly but enugh times to imply its a heavy influence to the lore, if i remember correctly it has appeared in the prequel vn (route 65), Flynn's route and Leo's?, i think?, most of the time plot points with the heaviest influency tend to be in the background for extended time until their pressence becomes unbearably obvious. ]

I'm just looking foward to the clash of Tj's and Flynn's routes since but routes hint towards having the both of them confront eachother at some point. Knowing how things have been with the other routes it most likely wont end pretty for all parties involved.

Also Adastra... I'm in love with it... just like that, i'll become a hardcore fan like my bro Daxton.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/06 12:15:22 No.1535619
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>>1535574

you make a few good points HOWEVER chase couldnt have killed nor witnessed his death as several things tell us that. 1 (not sure whos route) we are told that sydney was out in the lake by himself and only TJ was close enough to see what happened, which is why Flynn keeps going to him for an answer. 2. TJs route did have a little rework done to the beginning of it and we learn from TJ that [what he saw it was like an invisible force just pulled sydney under the water.]

I also feel as though the notes from the scavenger hunt is talking about when Chase told carl (when he wasnt suppose to say anything at all) that people think Sydney killed his own dad. And [thous far you get the feeling that Sydney no matter how you look at it is a victim. His family (at least his dad) is religious and abusive.]

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Furrynomous 2019/01/06 20:02:22 No.1535779
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>>1535619
Your two points just show exactly how Chase would have done it. He can hold his breath crazy long, he could have been under there pulling Sydney down then slipped out while everyone was distracted after
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Furrynomous 2019/01/10 09:51:53 No.1537369
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Chase in TJ's route... holy shit.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/12 01:09:16 No.1538017
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Well, TJ's route is certainly taking a turn.

Are we gonna become the Leo of this route? Kind of an interesting choice withholding from the player information that the first person protagonist finds.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/12 23:07:38 No.1538419
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I was wondering what happened to the scene at the end of the 0.32 update where Chase looks into the mine and sees the monster. It looks like it was expanded but was left out.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/19 08:25:07 No.1540907
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>>1538419
Thanks, can't sleep now

Probaby revised to the current one.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/20 08:37:28 No.1541314
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Can you post a link to Echo dis cord?
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McSkinny Furrynomous 2019/01/20 11:08:13 No.1541356
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https://dis cord.gg/QXpx6hU

Link's above, just delete the space.
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Furrynomous 2019/01/31 23:40:06 No.1546242
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Adastra looks interesting so far, though I wonder how deeply the story of Romulus and Remus (and the She-Wolf) will play into it. The fact that the story takes place in Rome seems too potentially important to assume it won't be significant at all. I'm also kind of surprised that the main character hadn't heard of the legend too.
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Furrynomous 2019/02/01 20:14:38 No.1546575
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The new build has a couple new CGs for the Smoke Room scene
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Furrynomous 2019/02/10 00:41:51 No.1549873
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>>1546575
God I love the art direction of this game. Painterly art gets so little love online.
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Furrynomous 2019/02/18 14:09:10 No.1553472
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Does anyone have the latest Q&A transcribed?
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Furrynomous 2019/02/18 23:11:26 No.1553581
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This game truly is the most feel-bad VN I've ever played. Were it not for the fact that the writing is good and the characters are initially appealing, I would hate it.

But I think it's great, even if it does give me anxiety and makes me feel a general malaise during playtime and after it. I do wish there had been a few more romantic moments, though, as well as 'happy' endings.

Carl is adorable.
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Furrynomous 2019/02/20 22:37:11 No.1554448
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So why did the team change illustration artist from Stanj to Kardamon? I'm guessing it could be scheduling issues but still curious.
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Furrynomous 2019/03/04 09:36:50 No.1559444
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Gonna be real with ya chief: I'm not liking the TJ route.
Chase's mania seems to be coming out of nowhere. I kinda get what's going on, but I'm really not feeling it.
Julian is shorehorned into the plot way too hard, I'll admit I don't like the character for personal reasons (the design reminds me of someone I dislike) but overall his inclusion feels unecessary. I'm having issues articulating why I feel this way, as Raven is introduced similarly but I fucking love him. I think it's mostly because Julian's inclusion in the group search is... unnecessary. You can say the same for Raven, but you can't say they had a choice for him. Julian's brought in like a show would bring in a "cool new character," the fact his pastel color theme doesn't fit the rest of the designs irritates me as well.
The scavenger hunt itself is something I'm not feeling as a plot point. I hate how easily they all go along with it, to the point of going to some dude's house for it.
Using Janace to take up most of the new scenes in this update had me skimming the dialogue.

I'm sure I'm bound to dislike one of the routes, but I'm curious, anyone else feel similarly?
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Furrynomous 2019/03/13 03:23:28 No.1563261
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So Chase is Leo lite huh? Didn't expect that.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/01 19:39:21 No.1570814
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New character from 1915.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/01 19:39:23 No.1570815
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>>1570814
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 11:32:43 No.1571065
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so do we really have to condemn flynn or is there any unlockable dialog choice to choose from? i mean like we should only pick the choices that favors flynn up until now so we can get another scenario.
love me some bully lizard.he's just misunderstood <:3
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 13:46:28 No.1571088
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Not to take away from Echo (it's great, very atmospheric, and shows generally good/engaging writing), but I wish this VN were less of a 'feel-bad' game.

I would like to hope 1915 will be more of a dating sim/VN with emphasis on romance, but I doubt that will happen.

Btw, Carl is best husbando.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 17:51:14 No.1571144
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>>1571065
Yes, Ive tried just about every variation of choices and they're all the same, I think that's the point though, the lack of choice here.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 20:23:01 No.1571205
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Does anyone know which choice(s) triggers the spooky Chase scene in the latest update?
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 22:20:15 No.1571293
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The firepokers in the town hall archives, is that a Blackgate reference ?
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 22:39:36 No.1571299
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>>1571088
Is Echo the closest thing we have to a furry 'Persona' right now?
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Furrynomous 2019/04/03 02:46:11 No.1571347
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>>1571299
Now that I think about it, the story does feel kinda similar to P2. The others, not so much.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/03 02:55:36 No.1571349
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>>1571205
When chase is in his old house after his BBQ you need to speak to Daxton instead of Leo.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/03 22:49:27 No.1571677
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So I've come to accept there probably won't be any real sex scenes in the game. That's fine.

Makes me wonder why they all have nude sprites though.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/04 03:52:45 No.1571748
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>>1571677
I'm guessing that they planned to but then dropped the idea.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/15 06:13:16 No.1576702
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>>1380412
Who's the artist? Damn....
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Furrynomous 2019/04/15 06:20:03 No.1576704
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who made the game's CG though? I've been trying to find them everywhere
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Furrynomous 2019/04/15 08:43:00 No.1576732
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>>1576702
@iam0rang3 on twitter

>>1576704
CivetStranj and... Kardamon (for the newer ones)
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Furrynomous 2019/04/15 13:25:52 No.1576815
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Furrynomous 2019/04/15 13:26:58 No.1576817
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I'm still sad about Leo's ending, I really wanted Leo to be with Chase, I was rooting for them since the beginning....
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Furrynomous 2019/04/15 13:35:39 No.1576819
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>>1576817
I wanted to give Leo a hug after seeing Ending A. Jeez..... This game is amazing.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/15 17:15:38 No.1576956
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Ending A ruined Chase for me. I genuinely liked him until that point.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/15 18:55:29 No.1576980
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what happens in ending a?
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Furrynomous 2019/04/16 11:11:12 No.1577360
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>>1576980
It's an extremely bittersweet ending. Best if you just play it.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/16 20:46:43 No.1577577
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>>1577360

As someone who hasn't played this but knows VNs have multiple routes, how do you get this ending? Is there a guide?
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Furrynomous 2019/04/16 23:45:43 No.1577597
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>>1577577
What I did was just spent time with Leo the most and when you have to respond to Leo's question about breaking up with him or not, say "It's over". It's sad because I genuinely wanted Leo to be happy with Chase. Ending A isn't a "Good End" but more like "Better End".
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Furrynomous 2019/04/17 00:41:56 No.1577620
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>>1577577
River scene: Leo
Train scene: It's over

Echo is pretty linear, lol.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/17 05:41:18 No.1577660
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Leo looks kind of like a fox lmao
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Furrynomous 2019/04/17 05:57:56 No.1577661
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Route 65 is a really great prequel IMO, The ending to the prequel touched my heart with the song and everything. I love this game so much.

Edited at 2019/04/17 10:55:05
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Furrynomous 2019/04/18 08:54:10 No.1578248
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I have a question.
Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2019/04/22 04:30:24 No.1580046
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>>1578248
Even if he did, it's... probably not him. Does that make sense?
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Furrynomous 2019/04/22 04:43:53 No.1580057
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>>1580046
Considering there is a dark version of him, yeah
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Furrynomous 2019/04/22 12:06:45 No.1580177
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>>1580057
Wait, where was this? I don't remember. lol
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Furrynomous 2019/04/22 15:11:24 No.1580214
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>>1580177
hang with daxton at the house instead of Leo and you'll see it during the big fight
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Furrynomous 2019/05/02 02:17:23 No.1583786
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And TJ's route is done.


Damn, kids got issues.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/02 02:58:22 No.1583794
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>>1578248
Learn the truth in the latest build 36: Between Then and Now, which finishes TJ's route.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/echo-build-36-26527023
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Furrynomous 2019/05/02 15:43:57 No.1584006
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So, how many routes are done and how many are left to finish? Can someone give me a rundown on which characters?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/02 16:37:17 No.1584023
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>>1584006
Everyone is done besides Flynn and Jenna. Flynn's got maybe 1 or 2 updates left, Jenna has almost her entire route left to do.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/03 08:41:19 No.1584376
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Like does anyone even care about Jenna's route tho.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/03 10:06:04 No.1584408
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Yeah but there's probably only like a dozen of us. I hope
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Furrynomous 2019/05/03 11:33:55 No.1584435
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>>1583794
I played it and I'm still not sure I know what happened. This game is the La Mulana of furry visual novels. You have to make notes all the time to know what the hell is going on.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/03 11:57:11 No.1584444
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Hoooly shit Chase... didn't expect that.


So in the other completed routes the mass hysteria happens the same week but in TJ's it's two years later. Did... did Chase came back?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 00:11:26 No.1584664
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Jesus Christ that ending. Man, I was looking forward to TJ's route the most, now I feel dirty. That was dark.

So does TJ's route only have one ending?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 00:14:00 No.1584666
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>>1584435
Basically Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 09:21:46 No.1584765
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I don't really get the nightmare thing though, the place where the sky is red and stuff, can anyone explain further?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 12:27:21 No.1584808
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I'm not sure I enjoyed that ending. It seemed far too on the nose to me. I feel it would have been better if we never actually found out what happened to Sydney. It also ruins Chase's and TJ's characters I feel, because any possibility of happiness on any route is gone now that we know what they did. That we don't get a choice in what happens is also pretty annoying. This seems like it should be the bad ending for TJ's route rather than the only ending, IMO. The possibility that it was the town evil that was behind everything rather than Chase/TJ should have been an option at least.

Edited at 2019/05/04 12:30:22
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 12:31:44 No.1584810
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>>1584765

The town is haunted by an eldritch evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhnkG1PvuWE
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 13:46:48 No.1584831
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I think the only reason I really dislike this game is that there are zero happy endings.

None of the endings are happy and really, none of the characters end up together what so ever.

That's also a kind of weird thing. You can play every route, but you have to keep in mind no matter what you say or do, the characters won't end up together at all.

That and everyone is secretly a horrible person and no happiness exists for anyone, that's also a pretty depressing thing.

It just seems like the game's purpose is to just be depressing without a single ray of hope at all.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 16:29:06 No.1584901
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A big issue with Echo is that it has no true route.
If this was a game that wasn't story heavy, then having no true route would be great. But a story heavy game should have a true route that brings closure to everyone.

I'm going to suggest an idea for a true ending for Echo. Not a complete true ending but how it might work.

First, have the canon love interest be TJ. The reason for this is because of the revelations made in TJ's route and how Chase is meant to see and act around him after it.

The true route can bring closure to everyone by simply keeping everyone on the route instead of separating and just vanishing for one.

Secondly, it can address every character's main issue, while still solving the main mystery and the mystery of the town.

The way to do this is to have TJ be the main love interest which brings revelations about Sydney's death and actual character that helps bring answers for Flynn. Instead of having what happens in TJ's ending happen, different things happen.

The town goes crazy and even through the issues that everyone is facing, they are forced to work together.

By eventually having TJ reveal the truth and helping Chase remember what actually happened back then, they help try bringing closure to Flynn.

With TJ being the main love interest, Leo is forced to come to terms with the fact that Chase isn't his anymore and he has to move on.

Carl is forced to overcome his anxiety during parts of the story in order to help the group while also doing things that make the group glad he's there, helping him start to get over his feeling of worthlessness.

We still don't seem to fully understand Jenna's issues, but I'm sure there are ways it can also be worked into a true ending that solves everything or at least gives proper closure.

And Chase is forced to come to terms with his past while also starting to become like his old self, leading him to become a good blend of how he was as a kid and how he is currently, no longer just being a rock.

And if you still want to make the other games in this 'series' viable, you can try making it so in order to unlock the true route, you have to finish those two games and the routes in this game for it to unlock.

Or, you can leave some questions unanswered which are only answered in those games. It's fine to leave some questions unanswered, as long as the main questions are answered and closure is given for everything, even the mysteries even if not all the answers are given.

This is just an idea for a true ending, but I feel like it would fix a lot of the pure aimless problems that Echo suffers from. The game just feels aimless with little closure and resolution for anything no matter the endings. This sort of thing would make it fine if the other endings didn't have closure, since there closures come in the true ending.

This is just my idea though, what do you guys think?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 18:18:58 No.1584934
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Have to agree with you here, part of the appeal of mystery VNs and such is being able to solve that mystery and actually have some kind of influence on the outcomes (like, for example, The Letter, which had a dozen endings, and the true ending wasn't the happiest either).

As it is, the game really feels disjointed: you pick at the beginning which character you wanna see get completely destroyed by the town, the others basically completely disappear (or one/two remains), and then you get *maybe* two endings that are both variants on "bad endings". You don't get real choices that have much impact, so you're just basically along for the ride, until the ride's over. The first route can be very effective, and you're left with a lot of questions, but the more you play and finish, the sourer the taste left is. I think overall the story isn't bad at all, it's very competent (especially when it comes to furry VNs, since it's like, the only horror one I can think of).

It just feels like it's so dreadfully depressing that it goes around completely, and I'm left not really caring about the characters at all. Why should I? Everyone is absolutely terrible, generally unlikable, and they never get a real redeeming moment. Which is a complete 180 from my initial impressions years ago, where everyone was very enjoyable to follow.

I think years of trickled down bits of story every month or so really harmed the game overall, as nothing harms horror more than being drip-fed horror in short doses over years.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 19:08:00 No.1584947
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I think we can all agree the team is competent. For me it's that the game hasn't turned out at all like I thought it would. For starters, the fact it was advertised as a gay horror VN and had nude sprites early on led me to believe it was going to have romance options. Second, I never thought it would be so blatant with Chase and TJ being murderers (Which honestly ruins them for me as characters) and everything generally being depressing. All of the characters are arseholes in some way.

I think a far better ending for TJ's route which would have kept the character's innocence to some degree intact and put more emphasis on the town evil would have been the revelation that Syndey was possessed, tried to drown TJ, and Chase and TJ drowned him by accident while trying to defend themselves. It would have led to their mental issues developing and the evil moving over to Chase (Since he would feel guilty, even though it wasn't his fault).

Edited at 2019/05/04 19:12:24
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 20:07:02 No.1584960
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We never actually learn how Sydney died, do we?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 20:26:02 No.1584965
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Well, at least Jenna didn't get hurt in this route, as she left the town early, and Carl probably didn't experience the mansion nightmare from his hospital bed. On the other hand, we don't know what happened to Leo.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 20:51:18 No.1584974
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I feel really sad for Flynn. Not because of what happened in this update in particular, but in general. His whole journey and character seem so tragic. And so realistic as well, because his pain and misery don't stem from a supernatural source, but are grounded in deeply relatable real life concerns and hurt. I have a sympathy for him that I don't necessarily feel for the other cast members.

Edited at 2019/05/04 21:56:31
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 21:44:38 No.1584991
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Honestly, while I don't have even a little bit of empathy towards Sydney (I think that the evil kid deserved what he got), I second the prior opinion regarding Flynn. He kinda needed a hug much more than Daxton or Leo, and I'm really afraid that he won't get a happy ending on his own route once it's finished. Initially I didn't care much about the guy, but he kinda grew into me as the story went, and given how bad the story treated/is treating him, I think that he deserves better, despite his rude/obnoxious facade.

Generally speaking, has someone noticed how the routes endings have become...well darker. Carl's one was more or less...dull, at least for me. Leo's good ending, while a bit bitter, and much more creepy overall, ended with most of the group of friends and Chase on relative good terms, something that I doubt would happen with TJ.

I'm really expectant to see how Flynn's route ends. I only hope that we have the chance to bring a bit of happiness of this poor man.

Edited at 2019/05/05 21:06:39
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Furrynomous 2019/05/05 00:22:27 No.1585031
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>>1584960
It's blatantly clear in TJ's route. But Yeah I still can't believe it.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/05 02:19:33 No.1585050
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So...If someone gets away with murder in Echo, the curse will happen?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/05 02:26:10 No.1585056
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>>1585050
Looks like it.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/05 02:32:08 No.1585057
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What exactly is the Mass Hysteria? Like, people hallucinating and going crazy? Is that it? I played the game and all but didn't really get how it affected people. Nothing happened to Chase, Jenna and TJ because they left the town before the hysteria happened?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/05 02:55:13 No.1585066
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Who made the main menu theme? I love it
Also, who made the "When stars align.ogg" I loved that too, the music in this game is really good. Especially Reckless - Martin Hall from the original ending music from Route 65. It fits so well, I felt shivers lol
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Furrynomous 2019/05/05 05:29:44 No.1585205
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>>1585031
is it though? That's not what happens in the dream/flashback.
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McSkinny Furrynomous 2019/05/05 23:16:12 No.1585636
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>>1585066

McSkinny here. When I originally put Reckless by Martin Hall in the pre-release, it was under the impression that it was a royalty free track since it was a part of a royalty free music list. This turned out to not be case. I was real sad to have to get rid of it, especially after the mixwork I did with getting it to match up with Leo's theme ("emo.ogg"). However, Abyuse's track still kicks some serious ass and I'm real thankful to have his talent on board.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/05 23:38:05 No.1585638
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>>1584901
I don't think it needs a true route. Each route expands on the story in different ways. It doesn't need some golden route IMO. It doesn't have to have a route that has a clean happy ending.

Having said that, I'm pretty dissapointed with the TJ route after some thinking, which is doubly dissapointing since it was the one I was looking forward to most.

It just felt mean spirited compared to the other routes so far. Chase is a clingy psychopathic killer and TJ is a weak spineless excuse for a human being. Neither had any real growth and neither had any redeeming moments. In Leo's route, Chase's relationship is shot with Leo at the end, but he at least grows and moves on from it. In TJ's route, Chase quickly descends into being a clingy paranoid guy, alienates all his friends, gets creepy towards TJ, and then kills someone else, this time with much less sympathetic reasons than his first kill.

It wouldn't have to end with everything being A-OK, but it would have been great to have an ending where Chase pulls back at the last moment and doesn't just completely go over the deep end. Maybe it ends with him going to jail or something, but he could at least come to some sort of closure.

Alternately, an ending where TJ doesn't just completely cover up for a guy who he should by all standards not want anything to do with by this point. It's understandable that he'd cover up Sydney's murder, he's a kid and everything was confusing. It makes much less sense for him to cover up Flynn's murder for the guy who forced himself on him literally less than 24 hours earlier. An ending where he stands up to Chase would have been good.

Also Janice's subplot went nowhere which was kinda frustrating.

I'm writing this all assuming there isn't a second ending for TJ's route coming. If I'm wrong, I guess disregard this post, but yeah. I'm a little frustrated, especially considering how good Leo's route was.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 09:31:09 No.1585793
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>>1585638
I never said the true ending had to be a happy one.
The only thing I really need is for it to offer closure for everyone, even if that closure isn't the happiest.

I agree with you on TJ, his route went really dark and mean spirited with no hope at all.

The reason I also want a true route is so we have a route that explains quite a bit about the town and what happened, but it also references other routes and touches upon issues that are brought up.

It could also give us a scene I wanted from the start, a scene where EVERYONE finds out Chase was behind the killing and TJ helped cover it up.

The whole group has been split apart from Sydney's death and everything changed, so a scene where everyone just finds out the truth and gets to actually talk about what happened is something I would really enjoy.

All I want really is a true route that fits with the theme and tone of the game, that gives an ending that gives closure to everyone. Maybe not everyone got a happy ending, or maybe they all get bittersweet endings by the end of the game.

I do honestly want an ending that fits with the theme of the game but also is a kinda...good ending. Mainly cause the characters go through a lot and while they tend to deserve the stuff they go through most of the time, the game sometimes takes it too far.

A true ending that solves a majority of the mysteries and gives proper closure is what I want. It doesn't need that pure happy feeling, but I would love one that was bittersweet.

And you are right that lots of subplots and stuff don't tend to go anywhere in this game. The issue is the routes feel too disjointed.

I mean, I guess some people like that but I just don't like how disjointed they all feel, and how no route really ties into another in anyway.

Honestly, that's why I expected TJ to be the true route and think he honestly DOES work the best for a true love interest.

Not only do him and Chase share the same secret, but they share a certain chemistry that the others rarely show and the key stuff solved in TJ's route could very well tie into the town. There's also the fact that TJ is the one who actually does want the group to hang out together.

Leo pretends to want this, but he more or less just wants Chase to himself. So having TJ who does want the group together constantly would fit for a true route, as it would be the route that forces the characters to interact the most as a group.

Hell, it could even feature more flashbacks then other routes, stuff that shows how the group dynamic is similar but changed, how things are different, things like that.

That's what I was looking forward to in TJ's route, but yet again, it's massively disconnected from the others and doesn't feature anyone else.

I mean, I realize a true route that does something like that would be a lot longer then anything else in the game, but I still think it would be worth it.

Infact, I wouldn't mind if the true route was still TJ's but it's hidden. Imagine if TJ had two routes, one that's similar to the others and one that unlocks after you finish everyone's route and get all the endings. This second route keeps the group together and events play out differently.

Like that all experience the horrors together, help each other out, find out the truth of Sydney's death and find out similar truths about the town, even if they can't solve all the town's mysteries, they still find out enough to be satisfied and to give closure to many things.

Ironically, Echo reminds me of Night In The Woods in this case. The weakest part of Night In The Woods was the supernatural aspects and how the ending and reveals were handled. The game's ending was too open ended and the overall supernatural aspects brought it all down.

Echo is similar in that case, where the start of the game is the best part, but it goes downhill when you enter the routes. The best part of the cast is when they are all interacting, and the weakest part of the game seems to be when it's just Chase and a few others.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 10:09:25 No.1585808
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I think that the contrast with Leo's good ending was too notorious and made everything feel even more bitter. As I stated, in said ending, everything went better than expected: no friendships ruined forever, since at the end, you kinda made amends with Leo, and the guy finally got over his obssession. On top of that, Chase got Kudzu.

Now, I don't know what's the term for that, but as I said, everything that is happening to Flynn makes me want to have a happy ending/true route with him, but given the sour state that their relationship is given the last build, I don't see it viable.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 11:07:35 No.1585826
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>>1585808
Um, Leo never gets over his obsession in his ending. Chase and Leo's relationship is completely broken and it doesn't even look like they will ever be friends again. And it appears as though Chase has also avoided hanging out with the others.

There's lots of other issues with his route and ending too that I don't really want to get into, but you can read about it in this thread if you look.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 11:27:58 No.1585832
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Really? It seemed that they were well enough, since Chase minded about Leo enough to pay a visit, and he said that he finally had stopped thinking about him on his dreams and that stuff.

And while he avoided others most of the time on this route (mainly due Leo's fault) they seem to reunite again to escape the town. Hell, despite the confrontations that you've had before, you even manage to see Flynn again, in a non-hostile scenario. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but it seemed like the least bitter of all current endings (specially for me, since I don't like Leo very much).

Edited at 2019/05/06 11:36:59
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 12:06:51 No.1585839
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Why does everyone always ignore the fact they are clearly influenced if not outright controlled by something? Chase even snaps out of it for a moment before he kills Flynn. Also, maybe I'm just stupid and don't get it, but I don't think we got a clear answer as to what exactly happened to Sydney.
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Lwitch 2019/05/06 13:09:36 No.1585854
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So i think i'm finally undersranding something about echo, while the beginning of the story makes feel conmected to this childhoods friends Chase had and making us have some sense of nostalgia (because lets face it, everybody has drifted aparte from some past friend for one reason or other.) The whole point of the story is about letting go of the past.

And it is so bearifully played when you realize the metaphor about Chase's anchor bracelet, we have gotten 3 bad endings and they all involve either chase of the main route person doesn't let go of the past.

In Leo's route he is incapable of letting his obssession with Chase go, resulting in the death of Chase and Kudzu.

In Tj's route Chase is unable to let go of this newfound obssession with Tj and their shared secret, Flynn dies in result.

Im Carl's route he is unable to let go of his insecurities, he can't get over the fact that he needs others, and the bad ending is obtained when Chase doesn't think he is capable on his own and let his grandfather take over him, i think both Chase and Carl die if i remember correctly ( i might not)

In contrast, the 2 good endings.

Leo lets go of chase, at least he takes the first step, in his words, he doesn't forget about Chase, he can't ever do that, but he is getting better.

And in Carl's route, he lets go of Chase in a different manner, finally realising that he doesn't need Chase or anyone else to succeed in life, this ending happens after Chase choses to rely solely on Carl and not the spirit, basically finally trusting in Carl.

I guess with Tj, he and Chase will finally let go of their secret, we still don't since the happy ending is still not out yet, its just a guess.

So basically this was never a story about rejoining with your past friens and relive their past antics, this is about a bunch of adult letting go of their darkest parts of themselves since it's holding them down.

Like an anchor, i swear to god i love that metaphor, it al makes sense cuz one of the first weird dreams Chase has on the game is about a pair of anchors holding him down while he sinks and drowns, such a foreshafowing that no one understood.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 15:04:59 No.1585878
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>>1585854
I think this is something everyone realized in the end.
But the fact that it all appears to be supernatural just kinda takes away from that.

Maybe if it wasn't supernatural and was instead simply about them coming to terms and letting go of the past, it could of worked a lot better.

As it is, a lot of the supernatural elements actually drag the game down.

At first, it's cool and interesting and freaky, but the further you play and actually pay attention and when you look back, you kinda realize that the supernatural stuff really doesn't do anything, it instead just takes focus away from where the story should be.

Basically the supernatural is interesting at first but overall just drags down the whole game like Chase did to Sydney and Flynn.

Though the fact that no one really stays together no matter the ending is also kinda sad. I understand the theme of letting go of your past, but I don't really think just discarding everything that relates to your past is the way to go.

I just think you should try accepting and living with your past. It's a part of you, so you shouldn't just throw it away, just live with it, accept it, don't let it drag you down and don't let it interfere with previous relationships.

The only one I can see making sense in this context is the split off from Leo and Chase. In this context, the whole relationship is toxic. It's beyond repair from the start, and it's likely the two just couldn't be friends anymore.

I know it's probably what no one else wants, but I just want an ending where everyone gets some sort of closure and happiness. Mainly cause every other ending in the game is depressing as hell. I feel like the characters should get that happy ending at the end of all the stuff they have to go through and all the depressing things. Even if it's not a perfect happy ending and it's more bittersweet.

Then again, I might not be the target audience for this game. I don't like torture porns or games that just exist to torment there main characters with no happy ending ever available for them.

I don't even think sinners like Chase and TJ should suffer as much as they do. Especially since the case with Sydney isn't even there fault really. It was still a horrible thing to do but to a kid in that sort of tense situation, it could of been the only solution Chase could think of in that moment.

Either way, I'm likely not the target audience since I prefer happy endings after long journey's of pain and suffering over a never ending cycle.

Which is ironic, considering I'm a massive pessimist.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 17:59:13 No.1585932
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Here's a good idea.
Have the creators of Echo take inspiration from Chaos;Child.

Chaos;Child is a great VN that has a similar atmosphere and such to Echo and is just a generally really great horror VN.

I feel like Echo could take some great inspiration from the game...

And now I'm imaging Chase acting like Takuru.

It's wonderful.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 22:26:07 No.1586040
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>>1585878

>Maybe if it wasn't supernatural and was instead simply about them coming to terms and letting go of the past, it could of worked a lot better. As it is, a lot of the supernatural elements actually drag the game down.

Ding ding ding. This is exactly how I feel. After having completed TJ's route and Flynn's most recent update, I've all but lost interest in Echo.

The supernatural shit clashes so poorly with what should be a story focusing on emotional trauma and mental issues.

Feel like the story would have benefited overall if the supernatural had just been a facade for or allusion to the mental illness and trauma, but instead we get some new ridiculous font-voice telling Chase to do things at the 11th hour and we should just accept it because reasons. We're trying so hard for "bad feels because horror" that we're completely sacrificing the narrative.

Also a year+ of fleshing out the Flynn route as if there was going to be some degree of choice or variability and then completely disregarding that is pretty lame.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/07 09:41:56 No.1586210
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>>1585636
I liked that one too, thanks for introducing really good music to us ^^
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Furrynomous 2019/05/08 17:20:35 No.1586678
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Flynn's route seems to be canon, as it's covering pretty much everyone's issues. Spoiler

Also I can't really say I dislike any of the routes in this. I dislike TJ's guest character because he seems really unfitting, but otherwise I've seen really good writing quality from this VN. If I had to rank the completed routes, though, I'd say Leo > TJ > Carl. Carl's was way too anticlimactic.

Edited at 2019/05/08 17:23:27
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Furrynomous 2019/05/09 11:38:58 No.1586960
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>>1585636
Do you have the piano chords for the Theme?
I want to be able to play the piano version myself.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/09 12:59:26 No.1587030
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Just finished Tj's route and it feels very weird that you have no agency over the decisions made at the end. I don't know if another ending is planned but the patreon May updates post do not suggest this to be the case.
It feels very awkward being dragged along with the town's madness and not having an option to stop "moving in circles" at the end which left me feeling empty and defeated. I don't think it is a bad route for that reason though. The ending is beautifully tragic in all the right ways and the writing/music are just superb, but it's unfortunate there is no opportunity for the characters to grow like in the other routes.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/09 15:50:01 No.1587094
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Yeah, the fact that this route has no choice, and no "good" ending, seemed a bit weird to me, since both Leo and Carl routes had one.

Given how Flynn route is going, I have the feeling that the ending is going to be another "bad" one. There's a lot of tension and rage boiling between Chase and Flynn, and again, Chase's actions are being (partly, at least) controlled by an external entity. The only hope would be that Flynn would somehow find out about this and somehow help Chase. The scene on his house where he asked Chase if he felt like he wasn't himself comes to mind.

Then again, for a happy, or at least a bittersweet ending, if Flynn and Chase can't start their relationship, or even keep their friendship, we could have Dax becoming another Kudzu for Chase...albeit he has fulfilled a role a bit less active than the raccoon.

Edited at 2019/05/09 15:58:01
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Furrynomous 2019/05/10 04:04:10 No.1587300
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Oh dang... And now I'm curious as to how that would sound like.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/10 06:22:29 No.1587323
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I played through all of the routes so far and ended up having a dream last night about the characters. I only remembered half way through that Chase is supposed to be American, at which point he started talking in a really bad Texan accent.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/10 12:25:32 No.1587395
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I really feel like TJ's route needs to be looked at again. The lack of a choice with regard to the ending is really jarring, especially considering all of the other routes gave you a lot of choice. The Janet and TJ relationship subplots also seemed to go nowhere. Firmly establishing that Chase and TJ offed Sydney is also a really odd choice. I feel it should have been left ambiguous what really happened. At the very least, a neutral or good ending that challenges the notion that Chase and TJ murdered Syndey should be an option. The lack of choice is not a good thing, in my view, and now it seems that Flynn's route is going the same way. These issues really need to be addressed before work on the prequel begins, or else they won't be.

I don't know if it has been suggested before, but Echo seems like the game to me that should have a "true" ending that unlocks when you've finished all of the routes and changes depending on what endings you got. The game's themes of going in circles and anchors weighing you down would work so much better if there was an option to escape the cycle and deal with everyone's issues.

How canon are the route endings to the characters? Are they their own thing? Is Chase the murderer in all of them?

Edited at 2019/05/10 12:33:21
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Furrynomous 2019/05/11 12:32:32 No.1587756
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>>1587395
Chase killed Sydney in all the routes. Even from the start of the game there's hints towards this conclusion. It was something I guessed pretty early on.

I feel like it's fine that it's confirmed that Chase is the one who killed Sydney, but the lack of choice is a poor decision plus a true ending indeed would fix a lot of issues.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/11 13:54:59 No.1587902
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Creators have already said all routes are true/canon endings. I very much doubt there will be a special one.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/11 20:57:42 No.1588093
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In the game files, the undetailed Chase-looking entity is called The Embrace

both letters/poems from the past use the term the embrace, specifically "Embrace of These Lands" as the title of one and "the violence of her embrace" as the ending of one

seems an interesting connection that I dont think I saw mentioned here
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McSkinny 2019/05/12 00:32:49 No.1588163
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The one ending that will be looked at further is Carl's B-ending, which is to be expanded upon in a future update.
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McSkinny 2019/05/12 15:07:14 No.1588404
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A lot of folks were commenting that Echo really needs a "true route", so Xarishro took it upon himself to make one that really captures the spirit of what Echo is really about.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/moe3neod2r12rm2/EchoMinus-0.02-pc.zip/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/gbaawalwf2n065h/EchoMinus-0.02-mac.zip/file

:P
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Furrynomous 2019/05/12 15:31:02 No.1588416
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>>1588163

Are there no plans to add a B ending to TJ then? I'm kind of disappointed the relationship with him didn't go anywhere. You have options with Leo, Carl, and Flynn, yet not really TJ. His route is also really forced. It's railroaded a lot more than the other routes, and your choices ultimately don't matter. It's just really jarring compared to the others. It doesn't really feel like it's how it should have gone. Someone posted an image earlier of Chase at the lake saying he should turn back. That would have been the perfect place for a choice that leads to an alternate ending, that implies some sort of future relationship between the two. We know that, despite what happened in the past, TJ still likes Chase. I think he probably always did, but just wasn't aware of it, as some of the stories imply he thought he was gay or bisexual.

Edited at 2019/05/12 17:41:26
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McSkinny 2019/05/12 16:52:24 No.1588427
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>>1588416

That'd be up to Howls himself, who wrote the route (I do Jenna, Flynn, and R65). He's always interested in feedback though - that's the good thing about the monthly release format with Echo not actually being officially "done". Interesting points can be expanded upon and unnecessary/dragging bits can be trimmed away.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/12 21:18:40 No.1588523
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So all the routes besides Jenna's are complete?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/13 02:55:21 No.1588591
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>>1588523

Flynn's is not done.

Kinda wondering if Jenna's route will be the only romantic route at this point.

Edited at 2019/05/13 02:55:50
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I want more :( 2019/05/13 12:13:21 No.1588690
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Are there any other VNs that are anywhere as good as this one?(I played Adastra already)
When I finished Leo's route my brain went, "That's it. It's over. You played the best one and now you're left with nothing." Please tell me my brain is wrong.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/13 16:07:09 No.1588727
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>>1588690
you still got carl's and TJ's routes to read. the last two routes are still in WIP

Edited at 2019/05/13 16:09:46
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Furrynomous 2019/05/13 16:14:27 No.1588729
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>>1588404
I'm never going to see Carl the same way again, ':D'
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Furrynomous 2019/05/13 22:09:21 No.1588837
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Why isn't there an Echo Wiki? Blackgate has its own, and that project was never as deep, or, complex, or even as well-written as Echo, nor did it ever get as far.

Plus I feel there should be a resource for those of us who want to piece all the elements of the story/narrative together. Echo Wiki, anyone?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/14 10:52:53 No.1589059
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>>1588837

I've thought this myself since early on.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/14 18:44:18 No.1589267
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I have a suggestion for the developer! Hopefully they'll read this.
Have you ever considered adding beep sounds to the characters when they talk?
I don't know if Renpy allows it(never used it), but I'd say most engines do and you could simply change the pitch depending on which character is talking. Even with simple if/else if statements so that you don't have to change pitch for every character's line. Maybe Adastra could use this too?


Oh thank you for making this amazing game, it's been on my mind non-stop since I finished it.<3
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Furrynomous 2019/05/14 18:59:51 No.1589272
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>>1589267
You mean like Undertale? As far as I know the only Renpy game that does that is Paws & Steel but not sure how they pulled it off maybe they could do something like that
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Furrynomous 2019/05/14 20:21:39 No.1589299
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>>1589267
Yes, like Undertale! If the developer manages to pull it off, it'll easily give a lot more life to the game.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/22 10:35:32 No.1592727
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So carl's sprites are complete now.including the naked one, but is it necessary? was there a new additional sex scene with the sprites used?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/23 19:32:00 No.1593195
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How come we know pretty much nothing about the prequel? Is it coming out as a full game all at once or something? Just curious.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/24 00:11:38 No.1593246
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>>1593195
There's a lot we know around now...
Everyone's dead, bad thing's happen in regards to sanity, there probably won't be a happy ending...
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Furrynomous 2019/05/24 06:22:39 No.1593308
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>>1593246
I wonder if one of the character from 1915 possessed Chase.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/25 02:22:07 No.1593586
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>>1593308
Leo's "good" ending alludes to something like that.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/25 10:38:16 No.1593657
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>>1593195
No, well, I meant in like, a game's development kind of way. When is it coming out? Has the developer talked about this?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/29 03:54:42 No.1595143
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So, what happened to Jenna sprite? The previous one looked so nice. All the lastest sprites were really nice actually. Was there another artist change?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/29 19:47:09 No.1595447
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>>1593657
from patreon:

"Also, since the completion of TJ's route, serious work has begun on 1915 and we're looking to release the first demo this summer. Another announcement; the title 1915 has long been a temporary one. We've finally settled on the official title: The Smoke Room"

>>1595143
Last sprite artist quit some time ago. Current CG artist was supposed to do sprites with expressions and I guess he did the new Carl sprites. But Jenna for some reason was drawn by the original sprite artist. I don't know where they are going with this, but right now it looks like a clusterfuck.

Also did anyone notice Janice's sprite? I thought she was supposed to fat and ugly, but she looks like a milf.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/30 02:09:31 No.1595833
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>>1595447

There seems to be a malediction surrounding Echo's sprites. It's been a mess from the start and apparently still is, to some extent. It's a shame though, I really liked Jenna's last sprite. The new one doesn't really fit with the rest aesthetically. She looks a lot more cartoony now, in my opinion.

I didn't know the previous artist had quit (was it Scratch?). That's such a shame. It's weird too considering he/she made Daxton and Julian's sprites not too long ago.

I noticed Janice's sprite too. I like the style. I think she looks cool. I wouldn't mind seing more minor characters done like this... Or even major ones redone if it must to come to that.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/30 10:30:50 No.1595944
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Perhaps they should get the new guy to redo the sprites to match. They also seem to have lost their CG artist considering the same guy who did Jenna also did the TJ ending sprite.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/30 10:34:30 No.1595947
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Wow, that is not how I imagined Janice looking. It just makes her madness even sadder now. I thought she was, for the lack of a better term, a died up overweight cat lady. You know the type. The weirdos.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/31 14:42:18 No.1596548
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>>1595944
>They also seem to have lost their CG artist considering the same guy who did Jenna also did the TJ ending sprite.


What? Truly cursed.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/31 18:24:27 No.1596625
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>>1595944
The new CG artist is Kardamon (previous was Stranj). The new Jenna sprites come from the "remaster" of Route 65 and were made by StardustPup, who was also the original sprite artist for Echo. Why they decided to use them (other than cutting corners) I have no idea.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/31 20:00:38 No.1596649
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Wew lad this VN goes through more artists than a call girl in Vegas
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Furrynomous 2019/06/01 21:20:01 No.1597164
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>>1593657

Ah! It's coming out this summer?? That's great news, omg! Also my peeing girl looking gud, eh.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/16 10:15:41 No.1603152
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Did Chase just die? I can't tell what's real and what's an illusion anymore.
This update felt kinda lackluster honestly. Not sure how to feel about it. If Flynn's route is really ending soon, then hopefully we have a few more updates left and it doesn't have a rushed ending.

Also, personally I prefer Jenna's new sprites. She looked a little awkward before.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/18 12:37:26 No.1604019
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>>1596625
Oh... I thought they lost Kardamon too.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/21 10:22:17 No.1605151
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Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you had the sprites of Carl, the nude ones, including the old ones. Thanks in advance!
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Furrynomous 2019/06/23 03:43:52 No.1605299
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>>1605151

They're all in the game/images folder.

I noticed that they have expressions updated for Carl's nude sprites, so maybe they'll still add sex scenes at a later time?

Edited at 2019/06/23 03:46:58
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Furrynomous 2019/06/27 19:38:32 No.1607030
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>>1588837

I'll try to set one up July
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Furrynomous 2019/06/28 07:44:01 No.1607210
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somebody knows if they're gonna release a public version of The Smoke Room? (1915)
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Furrynomous 2019/06/28 17:53:31 No.1607335
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>>1607210
I think I remember McSkinny saying some time ago they wanted it to be patreon exclusive, but they haven't made any official statements.
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Furrynomous 2019/06/30 06:55:48 No.1607959
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>>1607210

It's gonna use the same model Echo and Adastra have.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/01 00:23:25 No.1608300
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>>1607959
Adastra?
what is the smoke room again?
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Furrynomous 2019/07/01 07:12:11 No.1608379
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>>1607959
so they are gonna release public versions right?
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Furrynomous 2019/07/04 03:37:20 No.1609518
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Is Chase dead or what? Fucking hell.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/04 06:30:08 No.1609535
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I'm loving all the emotive sprites for the main cast and the new side character sprites as well. Duke and Clint are really convincing. I just wonder how well both art styles will blend together in the end. Jenna's new sprite looks really out of place though, at least to me.

Edit.: don't get me wrong, her sprite looks nice. It's charming in the context of Route 65, but it doesn't quite work with the rest of the main game sprites. In the same way, I'm worried about the lack of consistency between the main cast and new side character art.

Edited at 2019/07/04 08:05:16
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Furrynomous 2019/07/04 07:34:07 No.1609545
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>>1609535
I guess they hired two different artists to do the sprites, which I don't get at all.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/04 08:01:01 No.1609548
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>>1609545
I love the previous sprites. they're gorgeous. But, at this point, I think they ought to have all the sprites redone by the new artist. He's really doing a great job with the new ones. they're beautiful. But I guess that would probably be too much work, or too expensive so far into the project.
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Furrynomous 2019/08/17 08:24:13 No.1632280
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There's a lot of lore to unpack here. If it wasn't for the mention of Charlie and his truck there would be no excuse to act autistic with the world, but from the context it's obvious it's some alternate reality.
So with that in mind
What do they eat? They eat meat, right? So where does it come from?
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Furrynomous 2019/08/18 04:41:17 No.1632668
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After playing the recent updates, I feel like Echo has gone a very different direction than what it was originally. The plot has become so complex that I'm not sure if there will be a clean way to explain all the supernatural entities without plot holes. More importantly, it feels like the main characters are treated as more disposable than before. In both Carl and Leo's good endings, they at least work towards solving their personal issues. However, TJ's ending was uncharacteristically depressing, his issues got worse, and he runs from the truth even more. Chase becomes extremely unlikable in TJ and Flynn's route. I think people who plays these routes first would find it very awkward playing Leo and Carl's, knowing the things Chase did. Even if Chase's behavior can be excused because he's just possessed, I don't think it does anything for his character and feels cheap, whereas James's possession actually works well with the theme of Carl's route. Now there's speculations that Chase only liked Leo because Sam's influence. I really hope that isn't the case since that would completely destroy the impact of Leo's route.

That said, I still do really like Echo for doing something different than other furry VNs. McSkinny's latest Flynn update is really good. It's just unfortunate that Howly seems to care less about Echo after starting Adastra, and I think TJ's route suffered because of it. When you look at the quality and length of Leo's route and compare it to TJ's route, it's obvious which one got more attention. It doesn't bode well that they're also starting Smoke Room which makes it three main projects at once. I hope that Jenna's route wouldn't be negatively affected by this.
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Furrynomous 2019/08/22 13:09:57 No.1634875
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So, anyone got the newest one?
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Furrynomous 2019/08/22 14:45:42 No.1634899
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So guy's, so far, what feels like it would be the canon ending?

I know the whole thing behind the game is that there IS no canon ending and you have to read all the routes to get all the answers and such.

But I'm someone who prefers a solid true route or canon route and ending that explains everything or most things and gives proper closure to things, at least to characters.

So, for those who have read everything so far...which route feels like it would be the canon route?
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Furrynomous 2019/08/23 05:16:00 No.1635157
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>>1634899
I don't like the route but... probably TeeJ's
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Furrynomous 2019/08/24 01:29:12 No.1635494
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>>1634899
So far none of them give closure on everything. Every route leaves some plot and character elements open.

Leo's route feels right now like that "proper" one though in that we get to witness the actual destruction of Echo, something that gets put off til later in TJ's route and so far is unseen in other routes.
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Furrynomous 2019/08/25 09:28:13 No.1636041
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>>1632668
I've felt the same way for a while. The routes more recent routes have all started to feel more and more contrived. Carl's route felt a lot more natural in comparison (to me at least) and felt a lot more conclusive overall. It had a simple storyline with Carl and Jena's ancestors which wraped up nicely at the end, with to different endings to boot. It was a lot cleaner altogether.

In recent updates, I've also started to get a bit bothered by the inconsistency of the art style. Some characters look too different now, and I still think Jena's new sprite looks especially out of place among the main cast.
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e money 2019/09/10 23:49:06 No.1643540
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my quick two cents after watching deckerlink play TJ route

(bit of mess of thoughts FYI and retelling of info just to sure about certain things)

It looks like TJ just blocks out bad events and Chase is manipulating TJ and he and TJ and rest of echo being used by evil monster. In carl's neutral(I think Carl has a good, bad and neutral ending) Carl was possessed by his ancestor and it was him and not his lover who weird Pedo for native fox boys. Leo was being used by evil monster along with Brian and duke and they got killed by it. Janice was killed as well depending what Chase does he could lose a leg and I guess die in Leo's arm or leave and come back and he and Kudzu are lovers now and Leo was forced somewhat to move on with out Chase. Both getting rid of anchor bracelet. So far with jenna, everyone is pretty much the same but Leo is more controlling and sexual towards Chase. Apparently Flynn fucks a lot dudes in gay clubs and watch native fox men do Cocaine and suck dick.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/11 19:15:42 No.1643817
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So what the hell happened in the latest update? They tried to leave Echo and ended up in Leo's route? It reminds me of Eternal Darkness endings.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/12 22:04:57 No.1644134
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I honestly wanted leo and chase to end up happy...
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Furrynomous 2019/09/13 00:38:38 No.1644179
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give leo and chase a good good ending
i can't handle this
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Furrynomous 2019/09/13 04:09:12 No.1644237
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>>1644179
Leo is a posessive creep and I hope Chase gets the fuck away.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/13 08:42:45 No.1644307
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>>1644237
He is, but that didn't stop Chase from jumping on his dick the moment he came back to Echo.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/13 10:23:48 No.1644321
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>>1644307
>>1644237
>>1644179
>>1644134
Everybody was acting strange and the curse made Leo obsessed with Chase. They all had their mental breakdowns and had to be snapped out of it, but at the end when Leo had his episode nobody helped him. That kinda felt just wrong. it didn't feel like they tried. I believe he really just loved Chase before all of this happened.
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Echo hotty99ism 2019/09/21 02:12:16 No.1647473
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It's a visual novel game
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Furrynomous 2019/09/22 19:49:37 No.1648164
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>>1647473
.....That doesn't mean the feelings aren't real...the emotions in the characters and heck what we feel for the characters are real emotions. These are real experiences...some people go through crap like this, a real hellish life, and for those who know how it feels they feel for these people. Even if you can simply understand their feelings you know enough. There's nothing wrong with feeling emotions...even if its just a game...emotions ARE real :)
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Furrynomous 2019/09/23 21:23:58 No.1648670
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Im still torn up that Chase and TJ didnt get a happy ending
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Furrynomous 2019/09/29 19:52:43 No.1651064
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I just want to vent how utterly destroyed i feel after getting carl's supposed 'good' ending. I'm sad. I'm sobbing.
My best boi just friendzoning me, going after a random girl, after all that.
My heart .. i just cant ..
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Furrynomous 2019/10/05 14:35:42 No.1653657
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I always wonder when will Echo get emoted sprites for everyone, or at least main characters
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Furrynomous 2019/10/05 17:10:07 No.1653703
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>>1653657
They added them like 3 updates ago.

Edited at 2019/10/05 17:10:46
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McSkinny 2019/10/06 11:00:07 No.1653985
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>>1653657

I'll probably spend some time going back through older content and adding in the expressions once I finish Flynn. They're all in the files, though.
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Build 10 GFC 2019/10/07 04:08:10 No.1654230
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Just 11 or 12 hours EchoP publish the build 10.
If anyone can pass a llink to download it, pls.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/07 04:25:02 No.1654232
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>>1654230
adastra has its own thread.
https://u18chan.com/board/u18chan/gfur/topic/1529539
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Furrynomous 2019/10/13 12:13:10 No.1657127
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So is this complete?
I don't like playing incomplete vns because I don't want to wait a long time just for another hour of content.
As long as most routes are done (like Morenatsu) I don't mind play it.
Are sex scenes in the game?
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Furrynomous 2019/10/13 12:44:20 No.1657131
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>>1657127
Most routes are complete. There are sex scenes, but... let's just say it isn't a typical dating simulator.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/13 15:03:59 No.1657267
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>>1657127
heavily story driven around horror
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Furrynomous 2019/10/14 17:41:30 No.1657656
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Is the Chase we know actually Sydney pretending to be Chase so much that even he thinks he is Chase?
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Furrynomous 2019/10/15 02:38:41 No.1657790
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>>1657656
More like the thing that messes with Sydney jumped to Chase... I think.
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Furrynomous 2019/10/23 22:42:08 No.1661695
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So, who's route is completed in this game?

Is Flynn's done?
Is Jenna the only one that's incomplete?
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Furrynomous 2019/10/30 11:48:12 No.1664422
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anyone got the link to the new update?
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Furrynomous 2019/11/16 19:07:27 No.1672134
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Man this really went to crap. But I guess that's not surprising seeing as Howly handed it off to someone else as they moved on to Adastra.

Only stuff getting added anymore are Flynn updates, and the writing is just so inconsistent with the rest of the game that it might as well be a different VN. Plus the writer is clearly a fan of Flynn to the point where suddenly he's a gary stu and everyone else is just an idiot and the narrative suffers for it.

rip
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Furrynomous 2019/11/22 14:16:05 No.1674930
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>>1672134
Damn, I was afraid that this would happen.
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Furrynomous 2019/11/22 15:57:34 No.1674951
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>>1672134

I think Howly seen the potential in Adastra. Doing a single route is far easy than five. I think he shot himself in the foot by adding so many to this. The game itself began to change in the latter part of 2017 and has never recovered. It needs to be either rebooted or rebuilt from the ground up. The sprite drama was just the tip of the iceberg. It's a project that's going to be finished, unlike Blackgate, but it hasn't turned out anything like I thought it would.

I've always thought the focus on the supernatural was lazy and a cop out. The characters being mentally ill in various ways would have been more compelling and grounded, and would have been a great way to bring mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety, which IIRC several of the writers have (Who doesn't now, though), to the forefront, while also creating an engaging game. The romance's in particular never panned out, and Leo never got a satisfying ending. Leo and Chase are clearly made for each other, but the game seems to try to pull them apart at every turn. I was particularly disappointed the romance with TJ never really developed and ultimately went no-where. I also thought Chase being the murderer and TJ being his stodge ruined them as characters.

Sydney's death could have been so more powerful that it was. Initially, I assumed all of the characters had PTSD and that their mental states could be traced back to his death. In TJ's case, PTSD made sense because he had seen it happen. Unfortunately, the game is not going to change. It has gone too far and involves too many people to do anything without stepping on anyone's toes and burning bridges. The game squandered it's initial momentum by reaching out and trying to be more than it was conceived to be. Look at Blackgate or Repeat. Both were/are made by one guy (Blackgate has artists but Bane seemed to do everything else). Echo was great when it was Howly and the artists. The handing off of different routes to different writers has led to massive divergences in the story and the characters, to the point that each route could be an entirely separate game.

Honestly, Adastra is only why myself and a fair few other supporters continue to support this. I personally haven't played any of the routes in months. After the depression as fuck ending in TJ's route, I just lost interest. That TJ only had one ending and there was no opportunity to redeem Chase or change his past through choices which revealed someone or something else as the murderer was a wasted opportunity. I think we all know people would have gone for that. An ending were TJ and Chase get together and TJ opens up would have also been popular. The sole ending is particularly jarring when you consider Leo had three, Carl had two, and Flynn I'm unsure of, but considering the choices might have two.

I know this is effectively an e-s-s-a-y (Why is this filtered?), but I've followed this for a long time and I wanted to state my concerns.

TL;DR: Shit's fucked.

Edited at 2019/11/22 15:59:29
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Furrynomous 2019/11/22 22:41:23 No.1675146
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Leo has 3 endings? I know he has a good and bad ending. What happens in the third?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/02 01:26:46 No.1678971
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Oddly enough, I agree with you but for different reasons. Rather, I feel that the paranormal stuff isn't getting enough focus. Carl's story was a fucking cop out, I'm sorry but I'm just gonna say it. Them hallucinating everything makes absolutely no fucking sense considering the entire town is in chaos. It'd be better if it turned out they had a shared nightmare or something, but them walking around in a haze like it's implied is fucking stupid and makes no sense whatsoever.

TJ's route was trash because Chase's mania makes no sense. Again with this 'people going crazy in the town' for no real reason nonsense. If there's going to be paranormal shit, focus on that. Flesh it out. I want some fucking Silent Hill horror terror shit, not whatever the hell they're doing here.

Leo's was actually 10/10 until the ending. Chase getting with Kudzu and having a happy ending when it's heavily implied he fucked over Leo is really, really shitty. Sure you can argue it's 'realistic' but it makes for a bad ending. They should have both remained single.

Flynn's is, as you said it, really bad because Flynn's almost a gary stu. I hope that he dies in the ending, haven't played the final part yet.

What does Jenna's consist of again?

It's sad because this VN gave me hope furry VNs could be more than just "find hot guy and have sex" but it crashed and burned halfway through. Adastra uses sex to sell itself so it's not coming in to save this hope, either, which really sucks. I just want some good furry media that doesn't have sex in it, why is this so much to ask? I skipped over Adastra's sex scenes because honestly they're jarring and feel out of place.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/06 22:49:00 No.1681208
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Is there a link to the latest version yet?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/11 14:18:44 No.1683307
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I just finished Flynn's route.

What the fuck was that? Am I missing something?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/11 21:35:24 No.1683508
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What's so bad about Flynn's route, without spoling?

Also, you think Jenna's route will ever come out?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/11 23:06:38 No.1683544
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Yeah I definitely felt burned by TJ's route, which was a shame because it was the one I was looking forward to.

I wasn't even needing like a perfectly happy ending, but it just felt so cruel, and with no alternate endings it just made me mad.

I said it before but there should have been a choice to pull back from going completely off the deep end. Maybe Chase would go to jail, maybe his friendship with TJ would be over, but there would at least be some sort of semblance of redemption.

Or else maybe make it so theres a path where TJ isn't completely spineless and stands up to Chase for what he's become instead of just giving in and acting like nothing is wrong at the end. I hate that he is that pathetic in the end. At least Leo felt like he had some character growth in the good ending even if his relationship with Chase was over. It wasn't necessarily happy but it was something.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/12 09:26:17 No.1683654
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After I finished Flynn's route. I'm pretty sure The Smoke Room is going to be another depressing game. They really like this kind of genre, aren't they?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/12 12:28:23 No.1683728
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>>1683654
Yeah, I'm hoping Adastra has at least one good, happy ending we can get. Most of them in this VN have been tragically depressing

Edited at 2019/12/12 12:36:06
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Furrynomous 2019/12/12 16:04:31 No.1683944
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Post a link you bums
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Furrynomous 2019/12/13 12:21:07 No.1684330
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What. The. Fuck.

Although that's at least one mystery solved.
I hope Jenna's route brings the rest of the missing links.

I must admit this was absolutely not what I was expecting of this novel when I started reading so long ago now. I mean, I was expecting horror, but not this kind of unresolved psychological torment for the protagonists. It doesn't feel like there's any pay offs to any of the routes to be honest. They don't solve the mystery, or end the cycle of horror, and it just feels like it all ends in pain and suffering for everyone involved, with nothing being gained by anyone in the process.

I feel like the suspens and episodic format of the updates is what kept me coming back. But looking at the overall experience, I feel like, coming to this as a completed project, I would probably just read through one route, then never bother with the rest when I see how it turns out. Which is a shame for a project that took so much time and effort to create and offers such brilliant writing at times.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/13 23:54:07 No.1684531
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That ending fucking sucked. Not because of the twist, that was pretty interesting, if a bit obtusely presented (How'd they get to the mine???). There was some slight foreshadowing to it, it's an interesting idea to have this ominous monster presence that simply appears in moments of deep anger and injustice.

But it doesn't address anything about the rest of the cast and the town. What the fuck happens with Chase unpossessed? That's huge, that's important and unique from the rest of the routes. Fuck it, we'll never get to know. What happens with Leo if you let him go nuts or keep him sane? Fuck it, you don't get to know. TJ practically admitting the secret? Nope. Carl and Daxton seeing Flynn TURN INTO THE MONSTER? Something that would mind-fuck everyone else when they get told? Nothing.

It needs any form of closure at all. I don't care that the mystery isn't solved or fully discovered, but there's so many strings left hanging that it sucks.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/14 06:55:34 No.1684592
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>>1684531

You make a compelling argument, actually. It's true that, as a result of shifting the perspective at the end of Flynn's route, we have absolutely no clue as to what happens to Chase and the rest.

Also, now that I think of it, the monster appears in other routes. But how does the monster come to be when you're not reading through Flynn's route and this particular series of event doesn't take place?

I might be wrong, but I didn't get the impression that all routes were running parallel to each other.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/14 08:19:57 No.1684639
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I have no clue what just happened in the latest update, anyone care to explain?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/14 09:04:37 No.1684645
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>>1684639

Spoiler

Edited at 2019/12/14 09:07:44
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Furrynomous 2019/12/14 09:32:44 No.1684659
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>>1684645
Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2019/12/14 10:08:23 No.1684673
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>>1684659

Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2019/12/14 15:53:06 No.1684764
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>>1684592

Apparently it just travels through alternate timelines/dimensions, or simply always comes to be even if its not by Flynn.

I'm just really mad that it feels like we suddenly diverted somewhere else in a "We wanted to subvert your expectations" kinda way. Instead of getting a satisfying ending we get WHAT A TWEEST
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Furrynomous 2019/12/14 19:53:56 No.1684835
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So there's only one ending again?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/14 22:15:23 No.1684886
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>>1684835
Yep. Kinda fucked up isn't it? I get the whole "bleak and depressing" angle they are going for here, but a lot of these endings leave me with a bad taste in my mouth. Smoke Room almost 100% gonna be the same way. Really hoping that he doesn't pull this shit with Adastra but knowing Howly I wouldn't be surprised if at least a few endings are hopeless and bitter.

Edited at 2019/12/14 22:18:16
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Furrynomous 2019/12/15 02:34:01 No.1684982
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I don't know what's with the complaining. I just played Flynn's route, and I thought it was fucking great.

The sense of absurdity, the dizzying insanity and the feel of the non-sensical permeating everything are great and disturbing.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/17 15:16:53 No.1686054
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So guess it was gay wendigos the whole time
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Furrynomous 2019/12/17 20:35:04 No.1686168
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Why are people angry? Because it didn't end like another sappy, cliched VN where you got together with your husbando?

I've found Echo consistently disturbing, well-written, and entertaining. I for one am really glad at how the project's turned out.

Only Jenna's route left!
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Zeph 2019/12/18 08:56:37 No.1686301
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>>1686168
A visual novel is easier to write than a novel or a comic, requiring less writing than a novel and less art than a comic. What a VN has that the others do not, that makes it unique, is music and choices.

There is no issue with Echo's music, but rather with its choices. Choices turn a VN from a cheap story medium to an actual game, invests the reader more into the characters and plots by giving the illusion of a personal stake in the story and consequences of choices.

Echo's original demo had lots of choices, many of them inconsequential but adding to the illusion of control over Chase--that you weren't just an observer, but an actor in the story.

These choices disappeared as the routes progressed, leaving very few choices, if any. The assumption then becomes that these choices matter. It is quite a disappointment to get the reader invested in a romantic relationship with another character in the story (an age-old VN trope) and then make it impossible to achieve a "good" end through your choices (guess expectations subverted, eh?).

Interesting choice to market a 95% gay furry vn to primarily gay furs who were invested in husbandos from BlackGate and have no actual sex and no way to end up with your Echo husbando (or waifu, in the case of Jenna).

If Echo just wanted to tell a horror story, it should've stuck to the written format. Yes, some people like how everything ends depressing at every angle, but some would've really liked a warning ahead of time before becoming invested in a project (whether just emotionally or emotionally and financially in the case of Patreon supporters) that appears to be a gay furry VN with a horror twist, and not get what is reasonable to be expected from a gay furry VN, or just a VN in general.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/18 17:30:00 No.1686563
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>>1686168
No, we're mad because it takes an abrupt 90 degree turn and leaves a ton of interesting ideas with no conclusion in favor of an abrupt twist that's obtusely presented.

I'm not even mad about the ending really, I'm just mad that it's seemingly the ONLY ending and it has no epilogue of sorts.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/18 21:40:59 No.1686595
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>>1686301
>m-mai hasubando!!

Spotted the incel.

For well-adjusted people, it was great that Echo actually subverted expectations, and that you didn't actually end up getting a fairy-tale ending or even hooking up with anyone. The only ones who get "offended" this intensely about it are incels and wizards who were only going along with the ride in the hopes of getting some virtual dicking vicariously.

It was the disappointment of not getting with anyone that made the impact of Echo so good. Go play Morenatsu Revisited or some shit if you want "cliched MC ends with perfect husbando".
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Furrynomous 2019/12/18 22:37:42 No.1686617
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So was Chase exorcised by his encounter with the spiders?
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Furrynomous 2019/12/19 17:29:30 No.1687041
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>>1686595
>Talking about being well adjusted while using incel and wizard in the same post.

I already know so much about you by that post alone.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/20 06:21:09 No.1687220
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>>1686617
Sort of. It seemed to think he was about to die so it left to find someone else to inhabit.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/20 09:02:47 No.1687253
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>>1687220
i can see where you are coming from. i sort of see it as it chose chase as it seeks truth, justice, and help those that are suffering. And since chase was being accused of murder. He did seem like a great candidate. But in the end i felt it chose Flynn as he wanted the truth and justice so he tried to get it, making what ever the creature was, see Flynn as a more suitable host.
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Furrynomous 2019/12/20 21:47:24 No.1687507
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>>1687253
Chase wasn't accused of murder until right before he was un-possessed, unless you meant Sydney and how everyone thought he might have killed his own dad.

The thing that possesses Chase and later Flynn is not the same thing as what turns him into this vengeance/justice seeking monster. It simply helps lead him to it
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Furrynomous 2019/12/29 08:53:27 No.1691176
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Anyone got links to The smoke room build 2
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Furrynomous 2020/01/04 23:21:27 No.1694529
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https://youtu.be/Il1G2vbxuUc
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Furrynomous 2020/01/05 03:09:51 No.1694634
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>>1694529
Mood af
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Furrynomous 2020/01/05 16:43:27 No.1694898
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Is Echo Route 65 complete?
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Mayonnaise !cO3/OE9MZ2 2020/01/06 07:53:00 No.1695127
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Furrynomous 2020/01/07 11:27:43 No.1696121
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Do we know where Echo is located? I thought it was most probably in New Mexico or Arizona, though Utah, Colorado, and even California were possible as well.

What you guys think?
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Furrynomous 2020/01/07 13:16:40 No.1696217
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>>1696121
It's somewhere near the Colorado-New Mexico border IIRC. Pueblo and Echo Canyon are real places around the lower edge of Colorado.
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Furrynomous 2020/03/20 04:11:50 No.1726705
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I really liked leo but after playing jenna's route I dont know anymore

Edited at 2020/03/20 04:12:39
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Furrynomous 2020/03/20 13:08:18 No.1726802
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>>1726705
Jenna's route is finished?
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Furrynomous 2020/03/20 13:13:34 No.1726803
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>>1726802
No but so far I'm seeing Leo in a different light..
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Furrynomous 2020/03/20 13:14:19 No.1726804
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They recently updated Jenna's route though
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Furrynomous 2020/03/20 21:22:30 No.1726986
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Does this game have elder gods?
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Furrynomous 2020/03/28 08:32:12 No.1730333
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anyone have the new jenna update?
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Furrynomous 2020/03/31 07:49:20 No.1731411
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Anyone?
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Furrynomous 2020/04/28 03:10:02 No.1745385
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New Jenna updates out, anyone got it? Yiff party is borked right now
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Furrynomous 2020/04/30 16:05:29 No.1746710
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Hey so I played echo 0.45 and got "to be continued" after the short bit post the end screen in Flynn's route. I thought his route was finished in this version, were they going to add more or something?
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Furrynomous 2020/04/30 16:18:03 No.1746717
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>>1746710
Nope, we're still waiting to see where it ends up going.
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Furrynomous 2020/05/01 10:26:32 No.1747004
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Does anyone have the new update link?
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Furrynomous 2020/06/05 02:46:09 No.1763583
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The lack of player input on TJ route makes me think there's gonna be more to it than this... I knew it was gonna get rough but this shit is such a let down to say the least. I hope they add more to the route someday because I don't want to think of TJ and Chase ending up together as an absolutely terrible thing, the ending just hits you with like every single flaw of his character and it was interesting but it wouldn't feel like such a "fuck you for showing interest in this character" if it was the player that decided these things. I don't want to spoil more than this but if you're new to the game do yourself a favor and pick anyone else even if he's adorable.
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Furrynomous 2020/06/12 09:17:39 No.1767006
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ohh that is amazing
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Furrynomous 2020/07/01 03:08:52 No.1776272
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New fanfic: https://archiveofourown.org/works/25003642
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Furrynomous 2020/07/01 03:09:00 No.1776273
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New fanfic: https://archiveofourown.org/works/25003642
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Furrynomous 2020/07/13 15:47:43 No.1782931
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Can someone summarize the story so far? I've read through most of the routes but I'm still a tad bit confused on what's going on
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Furrynomous 2020/07/19 16:57:46 No.1785901
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>>1782931

I already did but someone removed the conment lol
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Furrynomous 2020/07/19 17:36:47 No.1785924
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Anyways; https://archiveofourown.org/works/25380211
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Furrynomous 2020/07/25 12:26:41 No.1788927
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GOD FUCKING DAMN, ALBINO?

It's not him I hope?
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Furrynomous 2020/07/25 14:17:11 No.1788968
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>>1788927

Are you talking about Sam?
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Furrynomous 2020/07/25 15:03:33 No.1788978
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>>1788968
Yeah. Played Jenna's route today.
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Brandon el brayan 2020/07/26 03:37:45 No.1789170
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hola
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Furrynomous 2020/07/31 07:37:44 No.1792858
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Does anybody have the TJ short story from Patreon? I've read all of them except his, which is missing on yiff and I'm on 3$ tier, so I can't get to the post itself.
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Furrynomous 2020/07/31 17:28:15 No.1793169
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Odd, I was sure there were links to the short stories here before.
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Furrynomous 2020/07/31 18:02:27 No.1793178
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>>1792858
https://anonfiles.com/Fe5303J4ob/The_Date_docx
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 01:32:13 No.1793338
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>>1793178
So is TJ gay?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 03:40:40 No.1793408
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>>1793178
Thank you!
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Furrynomous 2020/08/28 11:37:04 No.1808445
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So is the file hinting that Teej is gay or??
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Furrynomous 2020/08/28 12:01:31 No.1808453
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>>1808445
>>1793338

Canonically he is bisexual. Shows interest in the Smoke Room, gets insulted Chase didn't sleep with him in the Jenna route, his favourite super hero is apparently a big assed slut.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/29 05:49:06 No.1809079
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>>1808453
Ah alright
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Furrynomous 2020/09/02 22:16:59 No.1811589
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I'm still mad about TJ's route. It was the one I was looking forward to, and it just ended up being no fun at all for Chase to turn into a huge creep and an asshole. And there was no catharsis in the ending, just Chase being terrible and TJ being spineless. It didn't have to have a fairy tale ending, but I still say there should have been an option to stop at the end, maybe Chase goes to jail but at least there's some sort of positivity to it. Or else have TJ actually stand up for once in his life.

Yeah I'm still mad
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Furrynomous 2020/09/08 15:30:45 No.1814323
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https://archiveofourown.org/works/26114329/chapters/64208503
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Furrynomous 2020/09/09 08:35:20 No.1814568
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>>1811589

That's why I ship him with Sydney
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Furrynomous 2020/09/09 12:56:44 No.1814681
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>>1811589
I'm sorry to tell you this, but if you haven't noticed already, there are no true happy endings in this story.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/09 15:25:53 No.1814730
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So nobody cares we're getting a sequel?
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Furrynomous 2020/09/09 16:10:06 No.1814749
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>>1814730

The sprite arts for that look like fucking cartoons. Not looking forward for it.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/09 20:59:41 No.1814820
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>>1814749
paintfox is great though
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Furrynomous 2020/09/09 23:05:19 No.1814859
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>>1814730
It's not gonna be a misery porn like this so... eh. :v

Seriously though, I'll play the demo first before making my mind.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/09 23:54:45 No.1814867
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I'm excited for the sequel. The cartoony visuals don't bother me, and I like them: if anything, the difference between the cartoony art and the sure-to-come visceral horror will be a highlight of the game.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/10 05:04:36 No.1814941
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>>1814867

Supposedly it will be the victory of the forces of good over whatever evil there is in Echo
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Furrynomous 2020/09/16 11:44:51 No.1817674
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anyone has the newest demo link?
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Furrynomous 2020/09/16 15:54:19 No.1817753
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>>1817674
Yeah fam, I'll post them when I get home.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/19 20:48:50 No.1819348
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Is he away?
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Furrynomous 2020/10/03 04:37:48 No.1825873
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New build?
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Furrynomous 2020/10/03 08:01:45 No.1825965
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>>1817753
A prayer for the fallen~~
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Furrynomous 2020/10/03 12:02:13 No.1826033
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Newest build:

PC: http://www.mediafire.com/file/fz7wqs1kwcglqo8/

LINUX: http://www.mediafire.com/file/24q77snr3dr9m02/Echo-0.51-linux.tar.bz2/file

MAC: http://www.mediafire.com/file/meze0i6tf5utym4/Echo-0.51-mac.zip/file
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Furrynomous 2020/10/03 12:24:44 No.1826044
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Thank you kind sir!
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Furrynomous 2020/10/03 12:30:28 No.1826049
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Elesh Norn would like this update.
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Furrynomous 2020/10/03 13:25:30 No.1826073
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>>1826033
Thank you!
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Furrynomous 2020/11/04 05:33:07 No.1842834
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What's the halloween pic they uploaded a few days ago?
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Furrynomous 2020/11/24 05:04:11 No.1853184
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What's Oblivion on their patreon?
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Furrynomous 2020/11/24 08:22:43 No.1853222
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>>1842834
It's a short story about the main characters from the sequel and a pic illustrating it.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/04 03:16:34 No.1858918
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New build?
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e money 2020/12/08 09:15:03 No.1861124
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I love echo and its very good. But man can is say I wish TJ's route was better we never get a chance to see any real moments for TJ X Chase. I like Flynn's route and was done the best. Carl's route could have been better but twlight room and ghost possession goes on a bit and I wish it could have been better. It does seem like all the route connect someone but Carl's is out in left field doesn't do much with events at the lake, dinner, motel, cave, trailer park,bar and mayor's place.

Jenna's route is very good and I like seeing all different characters together instead forced to be separated like in the other routes. IMO The epilogue from Flynn's route that will be part of the next series is very interesting and better than so call true ending from Leo's route.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/08 09:47:42 No.1861143
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>>1861124

I think thats kind of the point since TJ was never into Chase as more than a friend (even if he is canonically interested in gay sex)
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Furrynomous 2020/12/11 17:54:00 No.1863014
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A fanfic crossover with Minotaur Hotel: https://archiveofourown.org/works/28017621
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e money 2020/12/12 15:43:06 No.1863396
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>>1861143
I just want a moment for Chase X TJ

TJ is just a precious cinnamon roll. And chase before he got corrupted could have been a good BF and showed TJ that his feelings for other men are not wrong. TJ can be himself
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Furrynomous 2020/12/12 16:20:39 No.1863429
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>>1863396

That's why I write Sydney/TJ fanfics lol
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Finished echo route 65 Sapphire21 2020/12/18 13:33:08 No.1866596
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I thought it was pretty good! I went through all the routes I guess you could call them, their pretty much the same. I do have to say that the sound effect when Chase is unconscious and seeing the weird shadow image almost blew my ears out! The creepy image flashing on the cellphone surprising. Now what was it Chase saw and heard in the van? Was that Sam, or Sydney or something else?
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Furrynomous 2020/12/19 03:22:30 No.1866849
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>>1866596
My guess in reality Chase saw Leo and someone else fucking in that Van and they recorded it because it was that kind of party.

But in his beat up delirious condition Chase didnt recognize and didnt realize what he has seen. Leo said they found him on the street but it makes more sense for Chase collapsing at the van and after the fuckening was done Leo exiting the van to find him there.

At least on a less depressing note i heard the route choice in Route 65 is the "canon" route choice in Echo. So whoever Chase decided to come out to in Route 65 is supposed to be the one he follows at the river in the OG Echo.
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Finished echo route 65 Sapphire21 2020/12/19 10:46:40 No.1866994
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>>1866849
Ah, I see that makes sense!
I started Echo now, very grim and mysterious.
Shame that Chase and Leo broke up and can't get back together. I might someday write a fanfic about a possible way they could be reconciled.
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Hidden gallery in Echo menu? Sapphire21 2020/12/19 20:56:21 No.1867308
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I saw that posted under an old update.
Was it just a joke, or just for that update? (build44) Does anyone know about it and how to get to it?
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Hidden gallery in Echo menu Sapphire21 2020/12/20 20:02:06 No.1867818
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Hey if anybody is interested I found the hidden gallery! You just have to click on the lake in the background of the menu. You can listen to all the music from there, and also by clicking the little note at the bottom you can see unlocked scene gallery.
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Possible plothole? Sapphire21 2020/12/24 13:41:49 No.1869676
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So after finishing the Leo route myself instead of just reading about it, I have to say I found it rather unbelievable and a possible plothole!
When they try driving out of the town they are stopped by a weird reality warp and a monster that seemingly ran faster then the car and threw it over a hundred feet into the lake! Why would they think a slow moving train is safe? Why is the train able to leave? Why did everyone believe what the druggy said? Also they knew that the riot had died down and nobody else besides Brian and co attacked them, and when they where no longer a threat why the need to leave so quickly if the hysteria was already wearing off everyone except Leo? Yeah I understand how frightened the characters where, but why try a crazy stunt based off what some vagabond said when all signs suggest the danger is already passing? When they where in leos house they had two guns with them and possible other weapons like knives and tools. Yeah they had not recovered Jenna, but why risk everyone else doing something that dangerous? Yeah Leo was being unstable and dangerous, but I'm pretty sure Chase could have calmed him down by taking him to the bedroom or something. Deal with his manipulation and obsession after the crisis has passed!
I would only have gone for the train if I was being chased again! It would have made more sense to just hide in the house.
Sorry about my rant, it just doesn't seem reasonable for the story to end that way. Honestly I'd love to see an ending where Leo and Chase get back together and work out their problems! Kudzu wasn't interesting to me. I'm writing my own ending once I finish all the routes.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/25 09:07:38 No.1869991
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>>1866849
Really, Leo, a cheater?! That's hard to believe, especially in the present with him being so possessive and "protective"
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Furrynomous 2020/12/25 09:22:01 No.1869995
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>>1869991

Technically he did cheat on Chase with Flynn and the tulpa/shadow demon whatever version of Chase.
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Possible plothole? Sapphire21 2020/12/25 11:30:13 No.1870056
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>>1869991
He might have been in shock from the prank and brake up, so just grabbed onto someone else for a while? Remember him and Chase didn't talk for a while after.

>>1869995
That weird double seemed to have a hypnotic effect on Leo. When you see it Jenna's route, Leo goes into a trance and doesn't seem concerned or aware that there are two Chase in the same room!
I wonder what would happened if real Chase touched the phantom Chase?
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Furrynomous 2020/12/26 03:01:43 No.1870316
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>>1869995
Really?! Is that in Flynn's route, haven't played into it much for awhile. I got off Leo's route pretty broken, not just from the terror, but the ending was harsh

>>1869676
Honestly let us know if you do, I'd jump on that train, pun not intended. I hate how Chase left Leo behind, in the dark, twice with before and the ending. Every relationship, good or bad, deserves proper closure. Sure the ending was closure but given everything that happened it just felt...forced...I don't know. I couldn't even hover my mouse over staying with him, I felt forced to finally close it, I didn't like it even though I knew Leo needed it to be healthy. So if you can make a whatever that gives these two a better chance I'm all in favor of that
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Sapphire21 2020/12/26 11:43:23 No.1870452
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>>1870316
I'll post a link on here when it's finished and online. Might take a while, I'm kinda critical of my writing and always redo it several times.
I agree, that just didn't feel that Chase dumps Leo twice and never gave him a proper reason! Honestly I would have been very unwilling to let Leo go! Sure I might have dumped him similar the first time but it would have more been taking a brake from him. I would have stayed in contact with him and made it clear I still loved him, just needed space.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/26 13:34:44 No.1870544
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>>1869995
When did he cheat with Flynn? They had sex after Chase dumped Leo and left.
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Sapphire21 2020/12/26 16:03:31 No.1870588
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>>1870544
I don't think it counts as cheating since they where not in an official relationship at the time.
They all had sex with eachother, I wonder if they could have a threesome?

Also I just finished Flynn's route and just whoa! I don't know what to think of that!
Although why in the epilogue did Chase and Leo not get back together? This time it seemed to be Leo lost interest in Chase, why?
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Furrynomous 2020/12/26 17:11:53 No.1870610
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>>1870588
Leo behaves differently in Flynn's route depending on whether you have a chat with him or chat with... blue-lizard-guy whose name I'm blanking on, at the old house get-together.

Leo either gets over it finally or keeps hallucinating things even worse and probably goes nuts in the end.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/26 18:54:16 No.1870698
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>>1870588
I'm the OP of the Route65 comment about Leo fucking someone in the van. And like this comment said yeah Leo and Chase weren't a thing then, Leo didn't know Chase was gay/into guys then. It is implied that Leo did sleep around before getting into the relationship with Chase. I think it may also be implied that Flynn was one of the sex partners.

But what is definetely is a thing is that after Chase just up and left Leo, Chase did not have any sex with someone else while Leo who was still obsessed with Chase did have some causual sex with Flynn even though he still loved Chase.

What happens in Flynns ending i only have sorta an idea, in the other endings Leo didn't find out about what happened to Sydney but in Flynns route it is stated plain as day for everyone to hear what happened to Sydney. And hearing what his Chula did to their friend who he felt responsible for may have shocked him. Also another thing Chase was possessed by the spirit/narrator thing ever since Sydney died so Leo basically fell in love with the possessed Chase and in Flynns route it leaves Chase to possess Flynn. Making that Chase basically a completely different character. They may look alike but they arent really the same Chase that Leo fell in love with and he may feel it too that Chase doesn't feel the same as possessed Chase.
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Sapphire21 2020/12/26 19:35:47 No.1870708
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>>1870610
Ah, I see! That makes sense, I guess I'm not good at figuring these things out on my own.

>>1870698
Yeah, I didn't think about that! Wow thats actually pretty sad that Leo doesn't love the real Chase and he didn't actually love Leo! And again I guess I'm just not good at figuring out these things!
I was so hopping for the possibility that Leo and Chase could get back together somehow!
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Sapphire21 2020/12/29 14:13:09 No.1871901
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I have finally completed all finished routes in Echo! Each route was amazing! I loved the mystery and suspense of all of them! All the endings though! I still wish there could have been just one actual happy ending, preferably one where Leo and Chase get back together.
So my ending got longer then I thought it would be, I've split it into two now. So where should I post it on? Archive of our own or fanfiction.com? Also I may have gotten carried away with it.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/29 16:13:47 No.1871952
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So apparently Echo is in cahoots with Malcolm Ray of the Channel Awesome fame:

https://twitter.com/EchoTheVN/status/1343738089550749696
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Furrynomous 2020/12/29 18:57:07 No.1872014
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>>1871952
He's Howly's bf.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/29 19:01:46 No.1872016
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Is the new update the final for Echo? And can someone share it?
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Sapphire21 2020/12/29 19:30:08 No.1872033
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>>1872016
I don't think that it is.
Echo is getting there though!
It is not released to the public yet, only for patrons right now.

Edited at 2020/12/29 19:31:14
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Furrynomous 2020/12/29 20:33:30 No.1872068
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Links for newest build

PC: https://www.mediafire.com/file/n8ksabzqtyx47tt/Echo-0.52-pc.zip/file

MAC: https://www.mediafire.com/file/g59e42u9m77jdua/Echo-0.52-mac.zip/file

LINUX: https://www.mediafire.com/file/9yokcyiuv7vkdv6/Echo-0.52-linux.tar.bz2/file

ANDROID: https://www.mediafire.com/file/2r84zfb2gmqfp6u/Echo_52-release.apk/file
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Furrynomous 2020/12/29 22:52:54 No.1872111
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Thank you for new year gift sir :)
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Echo spoof! Sapphire21 2020/12/31 14:46:54 No.1873227
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>>1588404
Oh wow, I saw this and had to try it!
Lol, totally hilarious!
Is it still being updated? that links to 0.02, but I've seen links on youtube to 0.03 and 0.04!
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Furrynomous 2021/01/09 13:41:53 No.1877831
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New fanfic https://archiveofourown.org/works/28653657/chapters/70239444
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My Echo fanfic seirise is started Sapphire21 2021/01/10 10:51:59 No.1878282
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I wrote and posted two chapters!
https://archiveofourown.org/works/28653657/chapters/70257825
After retracting my previous echo fanfic, I hope this one is better.
The third chapter will take longer though.
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character anatomy question Furrynomous 2021/01/11 19:52:27 No.1879321
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Hey people, I'm writing an Echo fanfiction and wonder if the male characters have human male anatomy or animal like?
Some of the official art work shows human, and some shows animal!
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Furrynomous 2021/01/12 04:29:13 No.1879492
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>>1879321
Pick whatever's your preference dude, as shown it doesn't really matter
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Furrynomous 2021/01/12 04:31:14 No.1879493
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>>1879321
Just follow the official art, I guess. If there's none, well... it's up to you.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/12 09:14:54 No.1879564
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>>1879492
>>1879493
Yeah, I took a look, and I'm going with animal.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/14 05:13:25 No.1880719
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Is "themeforalonelywolf" specifically made for echo or is it from somewhere and renamed?
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Furrynomous 2021/01/14 05:28:32 No.1880721
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What route does the new CG appear in? Presumably Leo's?
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Furrynomous 2021/01/14 07:29:04 No.1880748
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Echo build 52 Sapphire21 2021/01/20 10:48:51 No.1884799
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I downloaded the new version, but...
I'm honestly afraid to play it! Leo's new theme is sad! Like as someone who is always lonely, I understand Leo the best out of all of the characters! He loved and lost, but I never got a chance to love so far! It must be worse after losing your love!
Also even though I'm interested in what's reveled in Jenna's updated route, I still find her annoying and kinda unlikable!
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Furrynomous 2021/01/20 14:11:21 No.1884902
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>>1884799
The voices in my head love Jenna's route...

Edited at 2021/01/20 14:16:48
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Sapphire21 2021/01/20 15:21:24 No.1884925
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>>1884902
LOL!
Anyway, why did they leave Jenna's route for last? A really big revel at the end, or things just working out this way?
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Furrynomous 2021/01/20 15:36:42 No.1884940
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>>1884925
Or maybe there will be a harem route at some point...
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Furrynomous 2021/01/20 16:10:52 No.1884954
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>>1884925
There's votes to pick wich route gets touched first. Jenna isn't as popular as the boys, iirc.

Really love how her route shaping up so far though.

Edited at 2021/01/20 16:14:54
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Sapphire21 2021/01/20 17:50:56 No.1884990
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>>1884940
Um, interesting idea, but I very much doubt it!
Although I admit my predictions for the Jenna update was way off! So maybe...
>>1884954
Oh! I knew about the votes but didn't think of that! Duh! It does have interesting things going on. But I'm totally into males, I would have loved to see more routes with Leo and Flynn...
Anyway, I wonder if Leo ends up with Micha now? They seemed to be getting along well!
I'm not a fan of that outcome though!
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Something I find off about TJ's route Furrynomous 2021/01/21 17:57:00 No.1885535
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I have been reading some other peoples opinions and reactions to TJ's route, and I wonder about something.




Spoiler!


Some people have said TJ wrote and placed those notes around, but how and when? He never seemed to be out alone on his route! Then how could he have gotten into Sydney's old house without the owner knowing, unless that guy was in on it? The letters at the school, lake and forest are possible for him to have done, but still unlikely. It would have involved him sneaking around at night and breaking into two buildings! I find that kinda hard to believe! When I played through it, I got the impression that there really was something abnormal and possibly paranormal about the letters!
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e money 2021/01/23 05:13:55 No.1886360
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>>1885535

same here i think ghost of echo or something plant them there. I wish cahse didn't rip up the last one i wanted to see TJ reaction to it and finding out of the truth.

The smoke room is fucking awesome and I hope the sequel that feels like is taking place after Flynn route is good game.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/23 12:43:31 No.1886493
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>>1886360
Yeah, that makes more sense!
I can't remember what chat or forum I read that on now though, but they all said TJ wrote and put the letters around!
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Sapphire21 2021/01/23 13:23:03 No.1886509
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>>1885535
I thought it was obvious that something supernatural was making and putting the notes around town.
>>1886360
Maybe it could even have been the socket monster?
>>1886493
I think I saw that too on Redit or something.
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Jenna route ending possibilities? Furrynomous 2021/01/24 20:00:06 No.1887145
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So does anyone have any theories about how Jenna's route will end?
I know it will have two endings, but what will they be like? I have a couple ideas. One is I wonder if Carl will survive? Another is I think in this ending unfortunately Chase will now despise Leo and possibly Micha too! Pretty sad as I was hoping for an ending where Chase and Leo can at least stay friends...
Also could Leo and Micha end up together? I honestly think its possible, but find it disappointing if it does happen...
Next, I wonder if the possible bad Jenna ending might be the worst one of all? And if the good ending would be the best ending?
Anyone else?
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Question about Leo? Furrynomous 2021/02/28 10:25:23 No.1905692
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Is it ever stated or implied that Leo had been with anyone before he fucked Micha? Was the bat his first or did he mess around with someone else before that?
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Furrynomous 2021/03/01 09:49:40 No.1906351
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Did someone manage to snatch the 0.53 link from Echo server?
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Furrynomous 2021/03/01 14:05:19 No.1906426
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>>1906351
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ebrnxxpsxujplh4/Echo-0.53-pc.zip/file
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Furrynomous 2021/03/01 14:37:27 No.1906436
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>>1906426
thanks man
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Furrynomous 2021/03/01 17:09:18 No.1906527
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What's new in this update?
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Furrynomous 2021/03/01 18:26:48 No.1906570
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>>1906527
Mostly QoL stuff, the endings of Jenna's route will be released by the end of March, with some other cool upcoming stuff to add to the full release of the game (some sort of trailer video?) since all the routes will be completed.

I think they already shared some information about the new Echo-related game on their patreon as well.
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Furrynomous 2021/03/02 10:55:32 No.1906953
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How would you make him smile anon?
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Furrynomous 2021/03/02 15:14:24 No.1907042
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>>1906953

Honestly he's fucking hot. Petition for a sequel where Chase travels back in time to fuck Mr Bronson.
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Furrynomous 2021/03/03 08:23:09 No.1907332
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>>1906426
Curious as to where you found this
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Furrynomous 2021/03/03 11:37:28 No.1907391
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>>1907332
It got posted by mistake when they made the announcement.
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Furrynomous 2021/03/03 12:28:26 No.1907404
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https://mega.nz/file/gvBmCZBQ#RWyoXtJRr5gbPXdaTRh4BnqNzX5yAYqD8fko_rwLSXE

https://mega.nz/file/UzBWQJLJ#HqecnpvRr9i8cTPI4PaRlwN3NPgW1RVUqBf4p4tMCYA

https://www.mediafire.com/file/26q4s3glu45x4wr/EchoBabies-1.0-mac.zip/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/tctzklrig025i3n/EchoBabies-1.0-pc.zip/file
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Furrynomous 2021/03/03 13:54:52 No.1907442
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>>1907404
that was certainly a game

Edited at 2021/03/03 13:55:38
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Furrynomous 2021/03/11 09:06:57 No.1911978
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New fanfic: https://archiveofourown.org/works/29979405
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Furrynomous 2021/03/11 10:09:10 No.1912005
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Newly completed fanfiction
https://archiveofourown.org/works/29812053/chapters/73345713
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Furrynomous 2021/03/11 19:03:00 No.1912222
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>>1906953
>>1907442
I just realized these sprites reveal Sydney's species rather early. Though I'm still not sure why it was kept a secret in the first place.
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Furrynomous 2021/03/12 06:02:59 No.1912443
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>>1912222

It was only a secret for like half of this VNs development. Once the TJ's route was completed, everyone knew.

Now the flashback scenes (added very, very recently) simply reveal how he was as a kid.
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Finished Leo route for the second time Sapphire21 2021/03/13 19:56:43 No.1913247
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I thought I had understood it better after reading what other people said.
But nope! Still find it very sad, and wish there was an option that led to Chase and Leo getting back together or something!
I have been making a fanfic with alternate Leo ending, Had it posted before, but was dissatisfied with it and took it down. It was going to have three different scenarios on how Leo and Chase could stay together, it is also a crossover with my fictional universe! A fourth scenario will be added after number two is revised and three is written.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/29812053/chapters/73345713
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Finale Echo build soon? Furrynomous 2021/03/29 17:28:06 No.1922261
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They say its going to be released this week!
I don't know how I feel, I want to know the ending and any final big reveals about the Echo phenomenon, but I also think their killing off Leo and possibly Carl!
I hope Leo survives and truly becomes a better person! It would be too tragic if he dies after realizing his faults and vowing to do better. That might be the bad ending though, its been said that in the good ending Leo and Micha become a couple and Carl is traumatized for life!
Although I think Micha is a cute fluffy bat, tbh its kinda gross for him and Leo to get together again, I think.
I'd really like to see Leo and Chase make amends and Jenna get taken down from her better then everyone else attitude!
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Echo to be finished! Sapphire21 2021/03/31 22:48:59 No.1923468
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It looks like possibly tonight or in the next couple days the final update to Echo will be released!
I wonder how the Jenna route endings are going to happen? Will it be the best outcome out of them all?
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Furrynomous 2021/04/03 07:32:06 No.1924614
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The full Echo VN has been released at last.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/03 07:33:43 No.1924615
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To celebrate I have made a new Echo Babies:

https://mega.nz/file/JyQ31YRQ#OLdNQ67dJw6YlKnseoNn-IwIE-KLna9dT5u2RfjbAw8

https://mega.nz/file/4mZwCZKK#kRa7axBZHQKLZ_-YSF9T16UpfN5mXfJkIq9iZDf3bBQ
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Furrynomous 2021/04/03 16:35:37 No.1924930
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EMPTY, I FEEL EMPTY!

Also uhh how do you get the bad route in Jenna's?

>>1923468
Hey Sapph, what're your thoughts on the final build?
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Furrynomous 2021/04/03 17:22:18 No.1924961
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Wow Jenna is a total bitch in the bad ending.
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Echo final build Saphhire21 2021/04/03 18:07:01 No.1924983
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>>1924930
I'm pretty happy with Jenna's good ending, although Flynn's going through some grief now, at least he's on good terms with the friend group now so he can talk to them about it. I'm actually planning a fanfiction epilogue that takes place just after good Jenna end.
However, when playing through it, I feel it was kinda rushed as there seems to be a lot of grammar mistakes and a couple errors!
Also I really think there should be a Jenna epologue.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/04 11:44:20 No.1925497
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So can someone make a thread for the new Echo project vn Arches?
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Mayonnaise !cO3/OE9MZ2 2021/04/04 13:01:37 No.1925521
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>>1925497
Someone already did

https://u18chan.com/gfur/topic/1925275
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Saphhire21 2021/04/04 18:14:48 No.1925689
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Chapters two and three of Echo resurgence are posted.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/30430560/chapters/75146985
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Furrynomous 2021/04/04 23:02:11 No.1925781
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So now that the game is fully out does anyone here have a recommendation for route order? I only played Leo's route when it finished years ago
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Furrynomous 2021/04/04 23:11:20 No.1925785
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>>1925781
General consensus is the same-ish order it was released in. Carl, Leo, TJ, Flynn, Jenna.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/05 01:14:10 No.1925823
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>>1925785

Actually the devs say it's best Carl, then Leo, then Jenna, then Flynn, then TJ.

Though personally Jenna's good ending feels all the better after enduring the others.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/05 02:22:40 No.1925845
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guys, how to get jenna's bad end?
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Mayonnaise !cO3/OE9MZ2 2021/04/05 02:25:17 No.1925846
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>>1925845
The choice sounds like "This town breaks people", iirc.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/05 07:03:25 No.1925896
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Spoiler alerts if you haven't played Flynn's route...........

At the end we know that Flynn is the creature without eyes that hunts Echo seemly through time, always appearing when his friends or Echo is in danger. Why is that? Is the entity of Echo just using him to feed of suffering? Did he planned to become that all along or there's something else?
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Furrynomous 2021/04/05 08:58:50 No.1925932
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>>1925896

Basically, most supernatural phenomena on Echo seem to be just illusions.

The Flynn thing is basically a way for it to interact and cause misery, though apparently it acted as a guardian angel of sorts for Jenna.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/05 14:25:27 No.1926089
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To think people no longer discuss this masterpiece here.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/05 16:04:02 No.1926120
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Do you think it was to protect Jenna and only Jenna or the group in general? Because it was him that attacked Brian in the trailer so save te group but I don't know if it was him the same creature that saved Chase from Brian in Leo's route.
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Saphhire21 2021/04/05 16:30:52 No.1926124
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>>1926120
I believe it was the same creature saving Chase in the mine.
It seems to me that socketface only appears when evil and misery are at a high level. When Chase was in Brians trailer, it was just him, but when Brian had capted Leo, Jenna, Micha and Chase the misery was higher so it rescued them.
In the cave the evil of Brian buring multiple victims and digging one up again, plus Chase asking Sam for help made the Sockface appear.
And yes I'm pretty sure heartface and sockface are the same.
Then in the dam control room, the evil act that was about to happen was enough to make it appear again.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/05 17:30:15 No.1926168
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I thought there were several paranormal/supernatural entities operating within Echo? For one, the flat-faced creature that Jenna saw, but also the Chase tulpa and the player themselves (Chase is implied to be possessed by the player themselves, and it's the player who keeps causing a time loop in Echo every time they play and pick a different route).
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Saphhire21 2021/04/05 17:42:06 No.1926174
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>>1926168
There are a number of ghosts in the town.
Also there seems to be an "Echo entity" that is behind everything hat happens!
So my take is that you actually play as the ghost of Sam from the smoke room who is possessing chase.
Yeah, the flat face creature is also called sockface, before the echo writer/artists ahd the design settled it had a heart shaped face.
The Chase tulpa is there, its sometimes confused with mirror man, but that was an avatar of Echo entity!
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Furrynomous 2021/04/05 20:27:09 No.1926271
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>>1926174
I feel like the Echo entity is the player themselves.

There's that part where Chase finds Samuel's skull and thinks about how he feels like just a passive observer who feels like his actions are outside his control, to which Samuel replies "same".

It's the player as an entity that is possessing Chase specifically, existing alongside with the other entities in Echo.

We Undertale nao
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Saphhire21 2021/04/05 21:42:49 No.1926295
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>>1926271
Ah, yes very true and weird!
Doesn't explain what the thing in the mirror was. Or the socketman.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/06 02:06:58 No.1926389
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The Echo entity being the player would explain so much, like the whole mysteries thing (everyone loves a good story, after all).

We sadistic Gnostic god.

Edited at 2021/04/06 02:07:15
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Furrynomous 2021/04/06 15:02:52 No.1926741
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Jenna confirmed for being a Stand user
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Furrynomous 2021/04/06 23:31:28 No.1926967
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Ive been trying to get Jenna's bad ending, how the fuck
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Furrynomous 2021/04/07 00:16:57 No.1926995
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>>1926967
You basically have to start over, the decision is made fairly early in her game compared to other's, way back during the part where you're investigating for Carl.

You need to agree that people can't be changed and then not pick "We kept each other sane." This puts Jenna into bitch mode
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Furrynomous 2021/04/07 05:11:54 No.1927121
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I wonder how Jenna is related to Cynthia. Alas, they didn't give any closure on that.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/07 08:29:19 No.1927181
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>>1927121

It's implied Cynthia might be her grandmother, but it's not clarified.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/10 20:55:00 No.1929189
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echo is donion rings
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Furrynomous 2021/04/10 23:30:26 No.1929252
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>>1926995
Oh really? I thought it was if you dated her or not, because that's the choice I changed to get the good ending, then skipped until the confrontation at the house.
Looks like I'll need to replay and see what the good ending is with Chase and her dating, since honestly I think they're the best couple in the game, despite the fact I'm gay.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/11 01:08:48 No.1929311
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Wait, one of these furry VN's was actually completed? I didn't know it was possible.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/11 09:40:12 No.1929470
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>>1929311

Adastra has been completed for years now.

I must admit, knowing Echo won't have any new story to look forward to is depressing. At least we'll have Arches and The Smoke Room.
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sapphire21 2021/04/11 11:33:31 No.1929507
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>>1929470
The same for me!
I was hopping for a ending or a secret route where Leo and Chase get back together...
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Furrynomous 2021/04/11 11:51:02 No.1929513
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>>1929507
>I was hopping for a ending or a secret route where Leo and Chase get back together...

I really do wonder why people say this. I get that Leo is physically attractive, but him and Chase ending up back together is the worst thing that could happen. Leo is obsessive and sociopathic, and while his actions are certainly amplified by whatever evil exists in the town, they're still his original feelings.

Not to mention, the life he wants to offer Chase sucks. He won't consider moving out of Echo to be with Chase, but demands that Chase drop everything to relocate to some shitty town in the middle of nowhere; he's unwilling to compromise and meet Chase in the middle. Hell, even moving to Payton would probably be an improvement in terms of the life he envisions for him and Chase, but he's so steadfast in remaining in Echo because of "nostalgia".

Also, he may act jokingly about it, but he pretty much expects Chase to be a trad housewife for him who'll stay home and cook, clean, and generally take care of him.

He's cute, but one of the most broken of all the characters.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/11 12:01:47 No.1929515
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>>1929513

I wouldn't call him "sociopathic" since he does genuinely care for his friends but yes, he's a highly toxic person to be engaged to.

Hell, he doesn't even love Chase outright, he loves his idea of Chase more.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/11 12:17:22 No.1929518
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Everyone gangsta until the animated Chase tulpa appears

For real, it was a brilliant moment: one of the few times I've actually been so shocked by a game. When it walked on-screen, it was the most uncanny and uncomfortable thing, and that's saying a lot considering this is Echo we're talking about. It wasn't outright "scary" in the startling sense, but just disturbing in a visceral sort of way. And Chase and Jenna's reactions were perfect: no melodramatic shouting or over-reaction, but this subdued and more realistic "...what the fuck is that...?"

Gotta love this game
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Furrynomous 2021/04/12 09:19:56 No.1929952
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>>1929518

The funny thing is that there's actually two tulpas of Chase running around: one made from Chase's regrets and another by Leo's lust for him.
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sapphire21 2021/04/12 10:00:46 No.1929966
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>>1929952
What? I never got that impression!
I thought it was just the one?

Edited at 2021/04/12 10:01:04
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Furrynomous 2021/04/12 12:18:16 No.1929995
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>>1929518
I saw the animation and thought of the "when you walking" meme tbh.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/12 16:32:57 No.1930126
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Holy fanfic based on the best character, Janice: https://archiveofourown.org/works/30644228
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Furrynomous 2021/04/13 18:08:57 No.1930649
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The thing i don't get about the story is why Sam's ghost, or simulation as he describes himself, seems to be working in favor of "Echo" in Flynn's route by leading him into becoming another one of it's hauntings, while in the end of Leo's route he seems to deeply hate "Echo" for hurting the TSR cast and ruining his life. So what does he want?
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sapphire21 2021/04/13 18:37:36 No.1930656
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>>1930649
In Flynn's route the Sam entity leads Flynn to his death so the entity can use his body to travel through time and preform "justice".
I think so anyway.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/14 11:18:11 No.1930933
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The Sam entity itself is noted multiple times on Leo, TJ's and Flynn's routes as being puppetered itself by whatever rules Echo. Sammy has no choice, he simply goes along.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/15 14:11:03 No.1931633
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When will the team start posting the release date for each update each month again? It makes me anxious not knowing when the update will come
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Furrynomous 2021/04/15 15:47:55 No.1931683
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Did they ever explain why they stopped calling TJ Tobias?
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sapphire21 2021/04/15 18:05:24 No.1931765
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>>1931683
I just assumed he thought it sounded cooler or something.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/15 18:29:45 No.1931775
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You will never live in Echo

Feels sad, man
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sapphire21 2021/04/15 21:50:03 No.1931881
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>>1931775
You could live in the same environment!
Echo is supposed to be in southwest Arizona I think.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/16 09:15:17 No.1932046
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>>1931775
why would you ever want to live there
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sapphire21 2021/04/16 11:09:37 No.1932071
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Echo is a terrible town, but there are nice town in arizona.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/16 13:29:23 No.1932118
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>>1931775

Yes, I too want to live in a town full of murderous druggy rednecks where a demon fucks with people and drives them miserable.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/16 15:39:37 No.1932167
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>>1932118
Look on the bright side... you can create a tulpa you can fuck!

/s obviously
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Furrynomous 2021/04/16 15:55:24 No.1932176
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Flynn ending
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgUurjkdlSo
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Furrynomous 2021/04/16 17:53:25 No.1932232
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>>1932046
>>1932071
>>1932118
>>1932167
What's so bad about wanting to live in a small (soon to be ghost) town in the Southwest where spoopy, /x/-tier shit happens? Sounds aesthetic as fuck, if you ask me.
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sapphire21 2021/04/16 19:03:21 No.1932247
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Lol! People there are a bunch of tiny town in arizona and I'm sure they cant be as bad as Echo!
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Furrynomous 2021/04/17 01:35:41 No.1932386
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>>1932232
>>1932247

Considering one of its residents is now a time travelling puppet forced to relive horror after horror in all timelines I'm pretty sure it's a bit worse than whatever Arizona or Utah can throw.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/20 13:47:40 No.1934088
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Daily reminder Echo is in New Mexico.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/20 17:59:33 No.1934313
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>>1934088
Nope, its Arizona!

Now what species is Leo supposed to be?
In route 65 he looks like a deformity, in Echo he diffidently looks mostly like a maned wolf.
Yet many people say he's a red wolf.
Thing is red wolves do not have the patches of different colored fur that Leo has. They are not even that red! Maned wolves are orange and actually do have markings like Leo (black fur on back of neck), but his paws are the wrong color.
Could Leo actually be a hybrid?
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Furrynomous 2021/04/20 22:41:41 No.1934434
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>>1934313
Pretty sure they never specify which state it is, but references to Pueblo are likely to be Pueblo, Colorado near the New Mexico border, which is about as close as we get to a proper hint of where it is.

And Leo is a maned wolf. His Route 65 art is just old art they replaced and recycled for his 'younger' look.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/20 23:05:43 No.1934443
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>>1934434

If we accept that Echo is a fictional town in Arizona (alongside Payton, which is probably based on Phoenix), why do you believe that Pueblo has to be in reference to a real place? I'm pretty sure Pueblo is just as fictional as the rest of the locations in the game, though it may be based on a real place the authors know.
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Sapphire21 2021/04/25 10:05:41 No.1936924
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How many monsters are there in Echo?
There's socketman and skull bull, but is heartface different then socketman?
I know there is also mirrorman, the thing I call the slither, the giant slug thing on the mountain and also one or more vague beings that Chase saw. I think Sam saw some weird shadow thing too.
Are there others?
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Furrynomous 2021/04/25 10:22:53 No.1936927
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>>1934443
>>1934434
>>1934313

This will clarify things a little:

https://echoproject.fandom.com/wiki/Place_names_in_the_Echo_Universe
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Furrynomous 2021/04/25 10:29:41 No.1936930
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As for Leo being a maned wolf, I think that's just fan speculation because he comes from not-El Salvador (ignoring the fact that maned wolves come from South America and that a sizeable proportion of Salvie's population is of European descent).

He literally just looks like a gray wolf with red fur.
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Furrynomous 2021/04/29 10:27:48 No.1938926
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SPOILER ALERT! (Obviously)
...
...
I'm pretty curious who this "living relative" of Sam is. Gotta wonder who he ended up with in TSR. Missing after 40 years could mean it could be their son/daughter. Possible protagonist on a sequel too. Unless they appear in Arches.
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Sapphire21 2021/04/29 11:59:31 No.1938946
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>>1938926

Me too, but I have no idea who it could be!
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Saphhire21 2021/05/11 17:05:15 No.1946022
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My fanfiction, Echo Resurgence is now completed!
It starts with an alternative Leo route ending, and then Chase, Jenna and TJ return to Echo to try a second reunion and to face their personal demons.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/30430560/chapters/75029967
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Furrynomous 2021/05/15 04:02:00 No.1948009
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Is there a good ending for TJ?
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Furrynomous 2021/05/15 05:59:32 No.1948030
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>>1948009
That was the good ending.
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Furrynomous 2021/05/15 14:17:31 No.1948203
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>>1948030
Yeah I was thinking maybe I did something wrong but I guess not. Pretty disturbing ending
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Furrynomous 2021/05/18 00:42:41 No.1949341
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So what is the ancient eldritch entity that lives in the mines, haunting the land for eons and causing all the fucked up shit, supposed to symbolize?
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Sapphire21 2021/05/18 20:04:19 No.1949928
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>>1949341
Whoa! Where did you get that image and what is that?
As far as symbolism, the Echo entity seems to be about clinging to the past and dark secrets...
So that image might actually be something similar to Echo! I need to know what thats from and the story behind it! Then I can see about a new Echo theory!
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Furrynomous 2021/05/18 23:13:07 No.1949993
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Gosh this was such a wild ride. Echo is overall very good. Though I still stand that the story direction during development of later routes being different from the earlier routes. Jenna's route managed to stick the landing after the torture-porn moments in TJ and Flynn's routes.


However, I still don't like how Chase got off so easily for murdering Sydney. He never acknowledged his issues to the extent of the rest of the cast. How he hides the fact that he texts Leo while playing innocent is just as manipulative as Leo in his route. It's the same way he downplayed and suppressed his memories of killing Sydney. Telling him that his intentions were pure doesn't change the fact that he runs from his problems just as much as he did in the past.
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Sapphire21 2021/05/19 13:14:07 No.1950184
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>>1949993
Yeah, the story was changed right in the middle of being made...
I'm not sure how I feel about Chase never confronting his problems and getting away with killing Sydney... and it is weird how it seems to be downplayed to being unimportant, and Jenna's grandmother ghost voice said it wasn't his fault, which is weird But I also wouldn't have liked it if Chase went to jail and was hated forever by the rest of his friends! So I guess Sydney just has to be forgotten and never get justice
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Furrynomous 2021/05/19 13:39:05 No.1950195
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He gets justice in my fanfics where he gets TJ's booty.
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Sapphire21 2021/05/19 15:17:33 No.1950242
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>>1950195
Well, thats good
I'm my fanfic Sydney sort of gets forgotten about because of a much worse mass hysteria...
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Furrynomous 2021/05/20 04:04:45 No.1950502
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>>1950184

Flynn would probably never forgive him for it, but I feel like it's a realistic price to pay for murdering someone. The rest of the gang will be shocked. However, they'll eventually forgive him depending on how Chase explains it. Luckily his punishment for it will be pretty light since he was a minor at the time. Really strange how Chase's intentional murder of Sydney was portrayed as more forgivable than Syd's dad's accidental murder of Sam.


I think not bringing up Sydney at all was the only bad part about Jenna's route. Leo becomes a better person in 4 routes, while TJ and Flynn gets shafted on character development even within their own routes.
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Sapphire21 2021/05/20 09:52:19 No.1950588
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>>1950502
In the end I mostly like how it turned out, yes Chase killed Sydney, but maybe sometimes even serious things have to be let go of.
And I still want to know what that weird picture is from, does anyone know?
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Furrynomous 2021/08/11 11:57:28 No.1992596
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Completed fanfic
https://archiveofourown.org/works/31512410/chapters/77954585
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Furrynomous 2021/09/02 22:13:22 No.2003680
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New chapter in an ongoing echo fanfic
https://archiveofourown.org/works/33649231/chapters/83620360
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Furrynomous 2021/09/19 16:46:28 No.2011477
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Echo is kind of just a bad game and an even worse VN.

The characters are stereotypical and tropey, never growing out of this yet the game and writers act like they are amazingly in-depth characters. The characters have good concepts but they never make good use of them, the cast feels more like afterthoughts and only show up to cause conflict and then just kind of stop existing. They needed a lot more time to actually develop and get is attached but they didn't even try.

You can have characters who are horrible people but still entertaining, likable or investable...which none of the Echo cast is. They are all extremely bland and the most personality they have is in fanart to which fans think fan depictions of the characters are canon because the actual personalities of the cast are pretty non existent in the game.

The mystery is downright horrible too. A story that's somehow both extremely simple and extremely convoluted. It's so simple that things that should be twists are so easy to guess that you can guess it the first mention or hint of the twist is mentioned. Examples being the mystery behind what happened to Sydney. You even had fan theorists making up crack pot theories BECAUSE they disliked the actual truth so much.

Yet at the same time, there's so much to the story that makes no sense and feels like it's pulled out of the writer's asses that they literally have to make side games and sequels just to explain the damn mystery.

The writing itself feels stilted, like reading someone's first attempt at a novel. Novel's don't translate to visual novels well at all without heavy changes but the team behind the game...well, it doesn't feel like they even play visual novels, let alone like them. The game has good elements like it's horror and some parts of it's atmosphere at times but apart from that the game falls apart. It feels like it's only popular due to being one of the OG English Furry VN's + being one of the few ones focused on horror.

Howly and the others are a bunch of liars too. At the start of development, they said things like how each character would be dateable and it was advertised as a SoL/Romance/Mystery/Horror VN but that's not even close to what ended up happening. It's not the only lie told by Howly or the others and it wouldn't be so bad if they admitted that plans changed. However it's treated as though those things were never said and the Echo fanbase goes after anyone who brings it up.

In fact, that's another bad point. The fanbase is rapid and I have heard Adastra is even worse. I hope the Echo Project team expands and gets better writers and developers on board or the current writers really try harder. Perhaps read up on Japanese VN's or the like and take notes.

So TLDR - Echo is an unpolished mess with poor characters, a bad mystery, stilted writing and it's only good points is the fact that it has some decent horror moments and it's one of the few horror Furry VN's out there, let alone a finished one. It's ok to like the game or find it likable despite it's flaws, just don't pretend like the flaws don't exist.
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Furrynomous 2021/09/19 16:48:43 No.2011480
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>>2011477
"They needed a lot more time to actually develop and get is attached but they didn't even try."
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"They needed a lot more time to actually develop and get us attached but they didn't even try."
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Furrynomous 2021/09/19 18:04:21 No.2011491
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>>2011477
>Perhaps read up on Japanese VN's or the like and take notes
Really hope you don't mean *furry* VNs because that's yet another basket of generic cringe.
And if you mean they should learn from Nasu or something - if they were that good they wouldn't be writing furry stuff.
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Furrynomous 2021/09/19 22:12:37 No.2011547
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I do recall feeling a bit bamboozled after playing a route of Echo regarding the 'dating/gay' part; there's very little of it, and all of it is very purposefully tinged with cringe. I also noticed that The Smoke Room and even the Benefits side-story to Echo that was released after the main VN was finished were FAR more generous with actual porn (Benefits alone has more funtimes in it than all five routes of the main VN, and TSR's loaded with gay furry bara already while not even being halfway done, yet).

Also, not all the routes were written by the same person; they kept changing, which is why certain ones feel detached from the others and there's so many inconsistencies.
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Furrynomous 2021/09/20 08:26:30 No.2011652
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>>2011547
Benefits was out before any routes were finished IIRC. Just not to non patreon patrons.
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Furrynomous 2021/09/20 10:11:53 No.2011674
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>>2011652

Oh? That's odd...they really wanted Echo to be a pure downer, if that's the case. Kind-of glad TSR didn't go that route (still has horror, but at least we're getting hot sex).
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Furrynomous 2021/09/21 00:40:39 No.2012009
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>>2011547
>>2011652
>>2011674

I am indeed referring to Nasu or other games like Ryukishi07 and the like since he also does horror.

I actually don't care about the dating aspect TOO much, I just care about the fact he lied about it and then never acknowledges the fact he lied instead of just admitting plans changed. Each route varies greatly in how things are written too, probably because they each had individual writers.

Just complaining about the lack of dating doesn't address how bad the game actually is at all, particularly not how awful the writing can be. Ryukishi07 has no dating (although it has no choices in general) but he's still a great story teller that makes use of his medium. His stories can be horrifying, tragic, comedic and engaging with great characters in a single game and it never feels out of place. He's an indie writer himself, or he was for a majority of his games so one can't simply say it's an unfair comparison apart from the fact he made sound novels and not visual novels, which there's not that much difference between.

A lot less difference than say a Novel to a Visual Novel.
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Furrynomous 2021/12/03 18:15:25 No.2047971
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A fanfic https://archiveofourown.org/works/35492860
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Furrynomous 2022/01/04 10:29:10 No.2062897
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Is there anywhere I can read all the side stories?
Including the one for Arches?
I'm not on patreon...
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Lol Furrynomous 2022/01/29 07:38:35 No.2073964
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One of their mods lol. Against someone in their own server. Caught in the Nihil one
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Sapphire21 2022/01/31 10:14:20 No.2074848
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>>2073964
I really don't like that guy.
He does things like the a lot.
Also what's with the censorship on this site?
I kept getting "this post contains the filtered word".
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Furrynomous 2022/01/31 13:02:03 No.2074882
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the [Red] person?
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Sapphire21 2022/01/31 13:14:29 No.2074886
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Yes, him.
Lets say we had an argument or two...
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Sapphire21 2022/02/04 18:36:16 No.2077330
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Would anyone be interested if I made a new Echo fanfiction based off a glitch in the vn and a few decisions that don't effect the story, but I feel that they should have?
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Furrynomous 2022/04/16 23:34:11 No.2110688
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Anniversary update on the itch io. It includes some polishing fixes, a handful of interactive short stories, as well as some new CG's.

https://echoproject.itch.io/echo
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Furrynomous 2022/04/16 23:35:30 No.2110689
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^
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Furrynomous 2022/04/23 04:40:43 No.2113528
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Furrynomous 2022/04/23 11:30:30 No.2113613
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Is there a walkthrough for this game?
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Furrynomous 2022/04/23 21:44:19 No.2113816
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There's no real need for one, just try out the different options and see what happens. If you wanna know what a good route order is, then start with Carl, then go with Leo, then TJ or Flynn, and Jenna last.
TJ and Flynn are somewhat interchangeable I suppose, but I feel like Flynn fits better as the 2nd to last route you play.

Edited at 2022/04/23 21:49:39
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Furrynomous 2022/04/23 22:35:03 No.2113824
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Is there a lot of adult content or is it more story focused?
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Furrynomous 2022/04/24 14:40:10 No.2114104
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>>2113824
No dick on screen, if that's what you're askin.

If you like racy prose then Flynn's route have the most.
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Furrynomous 2022/04/24 22:32:15 No.2114217
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>>2113824
Very little adult content. In fact, the game used to have nude sprites for the characters, but they got patched out. I guess they weren't 100% on where it was gonna go content wise initially.
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Furrynomous 2022/06/13 10:10:06 No.2138157
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https://twitter.com/yunanbird/status/1536272360202022912
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Furrynomous 2022/07/23 03:50:24 No.2157610
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https://archiveofourown.org/works/40503657
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Furrynomous 2023/02/16 22:00:11 No.2253028
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New fanfiction
https://archiveofourown.org/works/45109879/chapters/113478865
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Furrynomous 2023/05/24 18:19:49 No.2295067
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After the release of the new build of tsr and the finishing of arches, echo is starting to look like a masterpiece, it just takes all of the different storylines to be put together to make sense though. Part of me wants it to go on forever or introduce other character’s stories without too many retconns but it is hard enough to write a story with different outcomes when the end is already written.
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Sapphire21 2023/06/13 20:56:20 No.2306167
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To me Echo and the Smoke room are the best two.
Arches is good, but seems a lot more disconnected then the other two are.
Also I like the characters in Echo the best as they are closer to my "era".
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Furrynomous 2023/10/29 10:38:50 No.2345929
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https://archiveofourown.org/works/51199561
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Furrynomous 2023/10/29 10:40:01 No.2345930
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https://archiveofourown.org/works/51199561
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Furrynomous 2023/11/02 11:33:00 No.2346536
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https://archiveofourown.org/works/51307867
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Furrynomous 2023/11/03 15:52:10 No.2346667
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Devoured the whole VN in a couple of weeks, and goddamn, what a story
It's kind of insane how good it is, never read something that captured me quite to this level
Hopefully Route 65, Arches and The Smoke Room are going to be just as good. I wonder what order would be best to follow?
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Furrynomous 2023/11/03 20:06:48 No.2346695
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>>2346667


Play through Route 65, then replay Jenna's route. Then play Arches and move on to The Smoke Room. You won't be disappointed.
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Furrynomous 2023/11/04 05:29:02 No.2346733
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>>2346667
As someone else said, route 65 is supposed to be read before Jenna's route.

It isn't anything super crazy, just background information the vn itself doesn't give you
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Furrynomous 2023/11/04 16:16:33 No.2346789
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Ah well, I already played through Jenna's route, but I guess It'll be nice to have some more background and to come back to what is arguably the nicest ending
The last two routes I played were Flynn and TJ and goddamn it I feel like shit now
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Furrynomous 2023/11/05 02:14:39 No.2346839
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Devs suggest you finish with Flynn's route, but Jenna's route was finished last and offers a real nice like, pin to everything at the end of hers, so it's the most satisfying to end off on haha.
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Furrynomous 2023/11/05 22:10:58 No.2346960
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Agreed. I didn't lookup any recommendations but I also happened to finish in this order. Jenna's route is a good wrap-up that involves the characters and key plot points the most.

The good-ending and the credit music feels like a great final conclusion.

Flynn's ending is truly shocking if you haven't been spoiled, and really lays all the cards on the table, so its also a good ending, but I was glad to revisit the characters and story one last time, and knowing basically everything for the Jenna playthrough.

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