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Extacurricular Activities Furrynomous 2018/01/31 19:40:18 No.1384299   
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Extacurricular Activities is an in-progress Visual Novel written by Dynewulf with the main artist being CursedMarked. Updates are usually twice a month (once at the start and another in the middle) unless the author announces otherwise.
Demo is available here: dynewulf.itch.io/extracurricular-activities
Dyne's dev blog: dynewulf.weebly.com/
Support his patreon here!: patreon.com/dk999
Dyne's tumblr and ask-the-cast: dynewulf.tumblr.com
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Furrynomous 2018/01/31 19:40:44 No.1384300
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That's all of them IIRC. I didn't see this one here, so here you go.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/01 02:15:41 No.1384500
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best game




also one of my fav artists drew fanart https://twitter.com/Captaingerbear/status/956945623797903360
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Furrynomous 2018/02/01 05:34:26 No.1384564
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So it this basically the third version of the thread?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/01 06:15:42 No.1384575
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There was no update on the 31st, when is update 1.51 coming?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/01 09:51:01 No.1384653
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later today he had issues with a few so it updates on the first
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Asuranikandan 2018/02/03 08:29:03 No.1385802
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Somehow I can't get one of the Chester sprites, last one on the right second row from the bottom. Does anyone know how do I get it?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/04 01:46:12 No.1386457
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>>1385802
Follow the official guide to Chester Day 15 then the spoilers below. These are the choices I tested out and will cover up to Day 22 (public release).

Chester Official Guide (day 15)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zPVxV-L5bEZxhsYVUE-FkAC9Ex7t-MX_h1b4S6BCJqY/edit

Spoiler

Edited at 2018/02/04 02:01:02
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Missing one Shiritori 2018/02/04 02:59:48 No.1386472
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Im missing the last pic of the first row of the Extra Scenes anyone knows how to get it???
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GrayMech 2018/02/04 07:44:37 No.1386586
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anyone have that "tennis dog" image from the old EA thread?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/07 14:06:16 No.1388280
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>all the dicks sans whatshisname from the club are human
>only two(2) are uncut, one of them being on a side character
>the one(1) character you can sex with a normal dick has your character making a point of the fact that the PC is cut
WHY
For what POSSIBLE PURPOSE
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Furrynomous 2018/02/07 19:07:46 No.1388400
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>>1388280
Because the VN is set in the USA?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 00:15:36 No.1392847
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Public version updated: https://dynewulf.itch.io/extracurricular-activities


Also, Cursedmarked no longer wishes to work on the project. Not for any sort of drama, he's just discontinuing work. Captaingerbear is stepping up to be the game's artist instead. Not sure how much art will be replaced. Here's a few renders already posted.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/important-for-17040375
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 00:15:38 No.1392848
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>>1392847
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 00:15:39 No.1392849
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>>1392847
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 00:42:26 No.1392852
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>>1392847
they're not bad, Maria need some work. She lost her tall busty feminine build. I'm guessing all of the CG so far is going to be redone by CGB and so far the redesigns are pretty good.
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Wulfy 2018/02/17 02:16:12 No.1392864
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So, I liked CM for its charm, but this is a huge improvement strictly because of the increased diversity in bodies seen here. I agree with Maria (to an extent), and I think the snouts could use a bit of work (maybe got used to the shorter style of CM?) but I definitely think it's an improvement.

Could we also just make MC a set fur/human? It's really displeasing to see the dark blue/see through "insert character here" decision. I recall Dyne wanted him human originally (and that's fine), but people wanted to be a specific anthro (also fine), but the compromise is really...
distracting? Offputting? I dunno. I also think it limits the art abilities a good deal too.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 07:37:05 No.1392935
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>>1392847
Wow, the proportions are actually reasonable now. Now I might be able to actually enjoy this VN. The weird bulging builds were always a bit of a turn off.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 09:11:04 No.1392978
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>>1392864
yeah, the ambiguous figure worked in CM's style. It would be weird to see it in CBG's style. We should at least get the option of picking between anthro and human in the beginning. But people are going to have to vote on the kind of anthro though. If anything i would rather have a dog or a cat for an anthro option
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 12:08:09 No.1393024
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>>1392935
Agreed, the moment I saw that they didn't have crazy bulges, I got excited. If this means that I won't need to have a bulge in my face during every moment, even the serious ones, I'm fine with this change in artists. GerBear's stuff has always looked great anyway, I loved his guys in See No Evil and his versions of these guys look great so far, I really like Chester and (surprisingly) Darius a lot more now.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 14:01:19 No.1393033
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*thinking emoji*
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 14:13:59 No.1393037
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>>1392935
isn't it??
i'm very interested in reading this vn since everyone react to it in a positive way, it even got one fanart from gamma-san.but everytime i start reading it on the very first segment (where they're playing tennis) i drop it in like 5 minutes into the game cause the one main reason was that the sprites are unbearable to watch.always wonder why you guys don't mind about it.art style? yeah sure.character design? nope.
>>1392847
well but still, even though these sprites looked better, they still look kinda weird to me.those dudes needs to be heighten up a little to look more right.what's with those short calves?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 15:32:26 No.1393115
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Wait so does this mean ALL of the art will be made again from ground up?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 17:31:12 No.1393152
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when are we getting an update?
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DyneWulf!ncKvmqq0Bs 2018/02/17 17:56:06 No.1393155
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>>1393152

Yesterday, for everyone.


>>1392978
>>1392864

We will be seeing an actual cannon MC design too. I'll show that off in the next few days.


>>1393115

Over time, all of the character art will be replaced. I'll be preserving the art CM has done in a legacy gallery.

>>1392852

Maria did get a tweak, and I just posted it over here too >> https://www.patreon.com/posts/17057934
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 18:21:32 No.1393162
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>>1393155
>We will be seeing an actual cannon MC design too. I'll show that off in the next few days.
I hope he will be human.
I would like that he have a canon name too.
Like Hiroyuki Nishimura, for example.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 18:52:05 No.1393173
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>No more CM

Thank fuck.

>>1392847
>Not for any sort of drama

This is kind of hard to believe considering the reason IDEKA got cancelled after like 3~ months of them saying it was still coming out ended up being because the people working on it had a "falling out".
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 21:33:09 No.1393224
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I'm glad the project is still able to continue, but I'm disappointed. I really enjoyed CMs artwork, especially how he handled Coach. I guess I'm going to have to let my aggravation towards CGB slide of I want to enjoy the project.

I'll never not be salty about Chubpan.


Also i really hope the main character isn't human, or if he is, there's a version to have him be a furry character.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 21:34:32 No.1393225
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Captaingerbear!?

HOLY FUCK

GODDAMN FUCKING SHIT THEY LOOK AWESOME AS FUCK

Dozer's body looks great, much closer to my own image of him! Darius' face is filled with so much smug, it's more punchable which is much preferable! Maria looks classy as heck! Harold and Chester are so irresistible it will be so hard not to kiss them on sight!

I thought it would be hard for me to move on from CM, but goddamn hell! I'm so excited right now! Might be because I'm a bara fan in the first place which makes me like Captaingerbear's arts in general. If all the rest of the changes will be like this, I'm gonna literally and figuratively explode.

For the update, dammit Dyne you just made me unable to get Dozer out of my mind. That whole day is hotness, wetness, and sexiness combined.

Edited at 2018/02/17 21:39:02
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 21:38:08 No.1393226
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Only thing i'm upset by is that now I don't get a sex scene with Darius in CM's style, the only one I was truly looking forward to..
But other than that I'm fine with whatever direction they take it
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Furrynomous 2018/02/17 22:02:32 No.1393235
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New art style is really good, can't wait to see how this project turns out now
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Wulfy 2018/02/18 00:50:44 No.1393295
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>>1393162
>>1393155

He can't be Japanese; it'd ruin chester's route.

ALSO,
fucking
yay.

(I strongly disagree, the non-dude didn't work in CM's style either. /opinion.)
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 01:28:23 No.1393318
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>>1393162
i would prefer the MC be of spanish decent IMO.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 01:42:02 No.1393322
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>>1393173
the ideka comic got cancelled as well or just the game?

>>1393224
yeah....we're just going to have to accept that chub pan is never going to happen...ever.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 03:05:57 No.1393343
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So like, when I first got into EA I had a very "meh" opinion of the art. I liked some of CursedMark's art in the past but it seems like his art got very "bulge-y" as time went on and I lost a lot of interest in it. There are folks into hyper art so I chalked it up to different strokes for different folks and looked at other artwork instead when I wanted my fur fix.

But I've been following EA for maybe 7 or 8 months now and CM's artwork has become the look of EA IMO. When I picture the characters I see CM's artwork. When I saw Dyne's post on Patreon with the new art I was kind of taken aback. Captain's artwork is great, and he did a great rendition of Coach and Chester, but it's... I don't really have the words to describe what I'm feeling yet.

I'm sure after a few playthroughs I'll get used to it like I did with CM's artwork when I first played EA. I'm way too in love with Darius to leave him because he got a makeover.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 05:22:01 No.1393377
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I was really enjoying CM's art, but if he's not available anymore I think Captaingerbear will be a great substitute, and as long as the original artwork isn't lost forever it's fine
I wonder how the new sex scenes will look like, and what about the body pillows? And the posters? There will be re-runs?

Anyway I like what I've seen so far, I'm sure it won't be that hard to get used to the new art, though I have to say that Dozer's legs could be a bit longer and thicker, but I'll understand if they'll stay like this

Since none mention it I want to say that I really like the new backgrounds they're well made. I've also seen the ones that aren't in the game yet and I'm really happy about them too. The emptiness was the game's biggest problem imo
Hope that in the next updates all the ugly blank backgrounds will be removed little by little
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 06:35:51 No.1393391
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Maria's face is that of a man
She's also fat and her hands look fucked
Dozer has big fuckoff hulk arms that are far too large for his body
Adding humans is a terrible mistake
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 07:32:25 No.1393416
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>>1393377
Gavel's a fantastic artist, I'm glad he got to do the backgrounds for EA, he always talks about how much he enjoys working on the project and it seems like he's almost always working on something for it, so I don't think we'll have to worry about the production of backgrounds slowing anytime soon.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 08:37:57 No.1393432
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I loved See No Evil. Can't wait to see more of the new arts.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 08:48:36 No.1393437
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>>1393295
Hiroyuki Nishimura is the MC of Morenatsu (really you've never played "Morenatsu"??)

I was mentioning him as example of human MC with canon name.

We also have (as human MC) the protagonists of "Nekojishi"
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 11:12:39 No.1393505
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>>1393391

I agree that Maria's face could use a little bit of editing (personally, I feel that he should take half of the length of Darius' snout and add that to Maria's), but I think she's good otherwise. I don't remember her ever being described as being a tiny animu girl, so her having a bit of body is fine.

Dozer's arms have always been like that; in fact, in Cursedmarked's art, that was basically the premise of every character..

Humans aren't being "added," as they've always been there. And even if they weren't, Dyne now has an artist who is able to be diverse and should take advantage of it (should he be so willing).
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Vic Venom 2018/02/18 12:05:06 No.1393527
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>>1393391
Dozer's arms are pretty much identical in terms of size. The only difference is the angle you see them.
Also damn, if you haven't figured out that humans were already a part of this world, you haven't followed Spencer's route at all, cause it's pretty much spelled out in the game that Hal is a human, and he's been there for a long time.

Edited at 2018/02/18 12:05:34
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 12:22:05 No.1393533
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Man, totally gonna miss the dick bulges they had.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 12:25:52 No.1393534
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>>1393505
>>1393527
I didn't remember dozer being that badly proportioned, whoosps
And I never caught hal being human
Humans are just so fucking ugly is all, I'm not playing this to see nasty people faces, I want beastmen husbands
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 12:26:15 No.1393535
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Some of the dialogue might have to change, since they don't have the big bulges anymore. I know a few of them stated that it was hard to hide their manhood in clothes because they were to big, but now they look normal, might have to change that.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 15:29:36 No.1393602
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>>1393534

>is human.

K
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 16:56:37 No.1393625
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Chester's saggy pecs were bothering me.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 17:49:10 No.1393670
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>>1393155
>>1392847
not a big fan of chester's manboobs in fact of all them are missing their big muscular pecs
and big bulges :(

but other than that I like the new art

Edited at 2018/02/18 18:02:38
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 18:35:48 No.1393692
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I tried to make Dozer a bit similar just by adding highlights, it's not good but kind looks like the old Dozer
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 18:44:27 No.1393701
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To be honest, I really love how Captaingerbear isn't exaggerating the crotch bulges. It's still there, but at least it won't make you feel too awkward when having a conversation, casual or serious, with the big guys, or just less awkward in general. Also, I don't care what MC is. For me, he'll always be a purple humanoid slime. I think I also agree Maria's face is too manly.

>>1393625

His pecs is also saggy in CM's version too. Chester is fat, after all.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 18:45:17 No.1393702
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>>1393602
You think it's by choice?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 19:00:56 No.1393708
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>>1393701
I don't hate the redesign, his chest was just looking more like an old man saggy chest. On CM's sprite they looked big. These looked like they were popped and got flat.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 19:39:04 No.1393723
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 19:52:13 No.1393728
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>>1393534
T. a human

I will never understand this weird self esteem issue some furries have
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 19:58:17 No.1393731
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Agreed, no saggy Chester pecs pls :(
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 20:12:28 No.1393736
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>>1393692
Oh damn, it's crazy how much better it looks with just the shine (and the more visible nipples). The vibrant colors and the shine the characters had always was a distinct design feature of EA to me, so just adding the same kind of lighting really help the sprite feel like it belongs inside the VN a lot more, I hope Captaingerbear will add it to the finished version.

Other than that, it sure feels weird to see all of this change but CGB is a good artist and it seems like he's into the project, so that's a plus. I'll admit I'm not too much of a fan of having the sprites looking at you from the side instead of facing straight ahead, but at this stage I guess it's something I'll have to get used to.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/18 20:20:10 No.1393740
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>>1393736
yeah hopefully cgb shades it because it doesn't look that good with flat colors
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Vic Venom 2018/02/19 03:11:02 No.1393873
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>>1393740
>>1393736
I think the opposite; it just looked weird having that shine on them, whether on the clothes or on the fur, that's really not how light works. Either they were constantly sweating or they were made of rubber.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 05:12:26 No.1393890
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>>1393873
Well I mostly did it to make him look a little similar to his old sprite and to break up all that dull green shadow, it was missing something to make him eyecatching even if it breaks a bit of reality. It's all prefrence and I get that. I'm not Dyne, he has the final say on his work.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 07:42:13 No.1393927
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I think we're not discussing the real issue here. THE DICKS
CaptainGerBear is not exactly known for drawing very sexy art. It's more on the realistic style and the dicks he drawn are not big like we've come to expect and like we've gotten used to with CM. I'm not saying we gotta have huge dicks, but some nice length and girth would be much appreciated. CGB tends to stay very "compact"

We better get some big nice dicks is all I'm saying.
And yes the shading needs some highlights it looks a bit dull with just the flat shading. LET THERE BE HIGHLIGHT
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 08:45:19 No.1393937
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CGB's finished drawings look like utter garbage
His sketches look nice
His faces have a bad tendency to be objectively unattractive with things like overly large noses, chins, mouths, BEADY EYES and a sort of pseudo ahegao that really doesn't work in his style
All his drawings look like dwarves too, like he can't get the arm and leg proportions right for a normal sized being
Also BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALD AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 11:03:09 No.1393968
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>>1393937
*offers a brown paper bag so you can take deep calming breaths with*


Aaaaaanyways, a lot of similar thoughts already expressed above, but I'm looking forward to actual penetration shots! Not just 'unf its in all the way even though your a virgin' like with the Spencer scene.
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DyneWulf!ncKvmqq0Bs 2018/02/19 12:40:01 No.1394001
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>>1393692
>>1393736
>>1393740
>>1393873
>>1393890

In regards to the shine, I'm more of a fan of the not having everything shiny. This isn't an issue with Ger's coloring (as he is willing to do it), but it's my personal preference. Maybe we'll revisit the idea, but as it stands, this is how we are doing it for now.

>>1393625

Chester is still only in his sketch stage, and we haven't moved on to lines yet. As lines are added, we'll see how things go from there.

>>1393534

You'll be really upset to know just how many humans exist in their world then. It's not like I hid the fact they exist. Hal, Dianna and Madame Esperanza all all humans that will have art.

>>1393937

Sorry to hear that, but there are plenty of other visual novels out there now. Feel free to give any of those a try. CM also has a Patreon page you can check out, if you want to see more of his art :)


>>1393927

Ahaha, this is something we've both acknowledged. They aren't going to be CM sized, but they also aren't going to to be "normal" for CGB's work either.


And thanks to the folks that are still supporting and offering actual constructive criticism. We definitely appreciate that. It's a huge now process, and we're still working to find a good balance. I definitely understand not everyone will be happy in the end, and that can't be helped, but we're gonna work hard to bring out more great content.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 13:32:59 No.1394019
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>>1394001
If you don't like the shiny stuff, why was all the art made to be shiny by CM?
Will you be having every bit of CG redone by CGB, as well as replacing all the art from other artists?
And please don't let CGB do his meme of drawing normal sized flaccid dicks and calling them "showers"
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 14:06:49 No.1394039
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>>1394001
Serious props for replying on the cesspool of the furry fandom. I love the story, and I'm glad you and CM haven't let your game come before your friendship. Both artists are highly regarded, and I'm still just as excited to see the direction the project takes. Have fun with it! And don't let what people say get to you.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 14:31:29 No.1394047
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>>1394001
Just one suggestion to fix Chester’s chest I think a better way of showing off that he’s a little fat is to give him a bigger stomach rather than old man boobs
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DyneWulf!ncKvmqq0Bs 2018/02/19 16:29:42 No.1394086
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>>1394019

I never said I didn't like it, and I just prefer how I'm having GerBear do it currently. It was part of how CM colored.

The plan is to have CGB replace all of the character art over time.

As for dick size, what's he's done for the guys looks fantastic, and he's done a fair amount of work to show off that he knows how to draw a really nice dick (especially ones that can be reasonably used without killing someone).


>>1394039

Thank you for that! Chances are, i might not be back here for a while though. The toxic behavior is a bit much at times.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 17:20:27 No.1394101
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>>1394086
Bane and Howly stopped responding here eventually, so you wouldn't be alone in deciding to do that.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 17:33:55 No.1394108
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>>1394086

That...surprisingly hurts coming from you.

Well, less time spent here is more time spent on the project, which is a good thing.
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Please don't hate me... Furrynomous 2018/02/19 18:05:23 No.1394117
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Well, here's hoping for the best with CGB taking over as the new artist.

I loved his Chubpan demo, as well as See No Evil (which I thought was going to get a sequel, but turns out that it won't see the light of day because of he's been working on other projects like Bastards Bonds, Townseed, and of course this one now).

If you don't know what I'm talking about this "sequel", here: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/16462781/

It was going to be called See No Evil: Heaven on Earth, yet he said it was not in "active-development". But, much like Chubpan, it was never worked on at all. Jesus, I would kill to play something like that.

If Captaingerbear is reading this, keep up with the good work. I cannot deny that what you do is amazing.

Edited at 2018/02/19 18:06:08
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Vic Venom 2018/02/19 18:36:57 No.1394142
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>>1394101
Howly does have someone from his staff who's answering for him, at least I believe. He doesn't have much to be ashamed of at least.
Bane though completely dropped, but I think he also dropped out of his own game too.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 22:08:14 No.1394225
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CGB's art really works for this.
I honestly find his Chester more attractive compared to CM's in every possible way, he just looks good in his style for whatever reason, and the rest of the characters look like a sidegrade to me in that regard, but coach... I honestly don't know.

He certainly looks older, more gruffy, but from all the character designs we had before, he was certainly my favorite, and he does look VERY different now.
I guess he looked younger since in CM's style there wasn't much pointing to him being older than the other characters, which isn't the case with CGB's style, for better or worse. Then again, it might just be the eye bags, small eyes or the size of his snout in that sketch, no idea.

I don't know if I'll be able to adapt to it yet, but the rest is looking very good thus far and, if anything, I play EA for the writing.

ps: big bulges were never an issue for me, but I appreciate having something a bit more realistic now.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/19 22:43:55 No.1394238
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It's unfortunate some people aren't able to share their criticism of the new sprites without offering anything constructive and on top of that being complete assholes, but it's nothing new in the furry fandom unfortunely.

To give my opinion of the art we already have a preview of, I think Grifter looks perfect, wouldn't change a thing.
Chester, while I'm not as opposed as other people here to give his pecs some sag to show he's overweight I think it looks currently kind of weird considering he's a bit more slim than in CM's sprite. I'd advise to either make him slightly bigger and have his pecs more plump or to tone down the sag a bit, other than that he looks really good.
I like Dozer's proportions, he pretty much look exactly like the old sprite (well except the dick obviously)
Darius looks like a complete douchebag, which is perfect. I'd make his arcade piercing smaller and black like in the old art, but it's not super important.
Maria's face is a bit too masculine, but hey she's not a romance option so I don't really mind.
On the topic of the lighting, I understand Dyne doesn't want to add the shine but I still think it would look better with some highlights, as I fear the sprites look flat as they are currently shaded.

So yeah, CGB definitely did a fantastic job but I still think there's a few things that could be done (mostly the highlights) to make it look perfect.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 08:32:30 No.1394407
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People just aren't used to change. It's natural. But I think the new artwork doesn't take away anything important from the characters and how they felt in CM's art. They get the job done. A few tweaks can help (as with any art anyone ever makes), but I think DyneWulf is doing a good job at keeping his work consistent with the new artist. Having spoken to him before, I trust him enough to believe he knows what is best for the experience of EA.

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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 11:22:28 No.1394456
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So I have a question to any non KHV's if they exist on this blighted website
The MC and Dozer seem pretty upset no matter what when Dozer thinks about Harvey in almost any context, right? So my question is why? It's always something positive like just being a good person or having a tight body, and it only ever comes off as "I missed someone like this" instead of "I wish my old bf were here ;~;"
Am I too assburgers for this game
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 17:56:14 No.1394626
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>>1394238
>It's unfortunate some people aren't able to share their criticism of the new sprites without offering anything constructive and on top of that being complete assholes, but it's nothing new in the furry fandom unfortunely.

Constructive criticism? I'll try my best.

>I like Dozer's proportions, he pretty much look exactly like the old sprite (well except the dick obviously)
Not even Dyne denies that the proportions have changed so he can't look like the old sprites, but that's not the only issue here. His face looks derpy, since while his snout has shadows, his lit up side is completely flat, even below his eyes. Compare the shiny-ied up version posted here by someone with CGB's version, and you'll see that even the usage of highlights indicating some kind of 3-dimensional form does wonders to the face. His shoulder is also misaligned (Just compare it with the new versions of Chester and Harold, they don't have that issue, only Dozer does), which is why some say his arm is disproportional even though it actually isn't - it's just set slightly too low and away from his chest (but that's not the only thing). His hands are also smaller, thus hilariously tiny compared to the size of his arms, whereas previously he had fitting, thick, large hands and fingers (which was I think even mentioned in the game at one point).

Not to mention his relatively short/lean CaptainGerBear-legs/feet which for some reason a lot of CGB's characters seem to suffer from. This might be even the main culprit as to why his arms look longer comparatively. He looks as if even light wind could throw him off balance any second now. I read Dyne's (joke?) answer on patreon that many reptiles have small legs, but most reptiles don't usually try to walk on two feet with 300 and something pounds of muscles and play tennis. And Dozer also didn't used to have that leg problem before, so what gives now? Did Dyne think him having proportionally fitting legs previously was a bad design decision? It's akin to making Spencer suddenly 4 feet tall and act like noone should be surprised since dogs aren't that big either, I just don't understand the sudden, unnecessary change and the poor justification that previously never came into play.

>Darius looks like a complete douchebag, which is perfect.
No, PREVIOUSLY he looked like a douchebag, which was fine. NOW he just looks like an insufferable cunt who I cannot imagine the emotional scenes working with at all. Look at his face, can you see this Darius playing piano or inviting you to a high class dinner? The previous version I could, this one I really can't. I really hope this stays a first draft.

And yeah, making Maria more masculine and chunky for some reason...just why? I don't get why CGB would do that in the first place, since he's supposed to replace the artist, not change the character designs, right? I mean, I just don't get CGB's thought process behind looking at CM's Maria, drawing her 60 to 80 pounds heavier, and then just send it in like, "Yep, mission accomplished". Maybe I'm insane, but if that were my first draft, I would have redrawn her dozens of times until she'd at least resemble her original physique, not arbitrarily change characteristics because I personally like chunky girls more or whatever the reason was, when that's not what Maria was before. I know they "fixed" it somewhat (she still looks overweight), but this isn't like someone forgetting to draw a button on a shirt or something easily missable, its the entire character drawn 60 pounds fatter with masculine features for no reason. I just don't get how that could have happened in the first place. I mean, I'm terrible at drawing and even I could see CGB's Maria looks like CM's Maria's distant, overweight cousin, meaning that I cannot imagine that CGB didn't notice that himself. So why didn't he fix it beforehand?

This all only applies though in the case that Dyne did not want to change the character designs as well. If he wanted to change them either, then, well, sure, whatever, would be just disappointing is all. But it just seems to me like instead of adapting to the project, CGB takes a bit too much artistic freedom and Dyne is just too nice to reign him in.

Chester and Harold are fine from a visual perspective - their faces actually look like the way they are supposed to, only with a different art style, which is the entire point of this exercise - though I do find their bodies too similar to one another, compared to CM's designs which, while more cartoony and fetishy, had each more of a distinct identity. I guess it's passable though since they are at least attractive designs and don't have the same issues as Dozer does. Their CaptainGerBear-leg syndrome isn't showing too much either, which is good.

By the way, I find it kind of hilarious that some here are applauding body diversity just because we got rid of CM's bulges. Like, the only truly thin, female character became overweight and more masculine, while two other characters look more similar to each other than ever before, but NOW some say we finally achieved body diversity.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 18:00:20 No.1394629
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Honestly, this has been the nicest thread of any VN here. Full of adoring fans and almost completely positive feedback. The fact that Dyne caved at the first sign of serious critique is rather telling.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 18:03:22 No.1394632
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>>1394629
Yup. All three threads have been good to him and now he dips.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 18:09:52 No.1394634
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Well, it's the first draft after all. Let's just hope the real deal in the game will be better other than offering constructive criticism.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 18:30:09 No.1394642
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The only thing i don't like about the new art is the lack of shading but other than that I can't wait for the new art to come
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 18:53:08 No.1394647
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I have some criticism too
Darius' face looks far more angular and canine now, instead of the softer rounded lion face he had in CM's art
His legs are objectively too short, and his abdomen appears to be about 1.3x the size it should be in relation to his pecs
His chin fluff is much wider and thicker than it was in CM's art, which makes his face look a lot wider and squarer than it was
His eyes are looking at something behind and to my left instead of at me
I understand that the changes to the Maria art is rough, but making her left shoulder further back and down while leaving her right the same is either lazy or incompetent
That her midriff is now smaller doesn't fix the masculine shoulders and the hips/legs being too fat
Her face is too short by far and that makes her look very male, even with the more prominent lips
I can only hope this isn't her default pose, since she's not only in a very unnatural position, she's looking far away from the viewer

I deeply appreciate that Darius' nipple piercings are actually drawn as forcing the fabric of his shirt up
Having the shoulders of every character in clothes not be right angles is a fantastic step away from the worst parts of CM's art
Every single character has fingers that are too short for their hands, even when compared to the stumpy CM fingers - CM's fingers are too short as well, but their thickness makes it easier for the eye to glance over it, whereas CGB's fingers are both small AND thin, basically being twice as out of place

I beseech thee, make Richard hot
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 18:57:25 No.1394649
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>>1394636

There have been multiple iterations of this thread in the past man. I personally stopped reading them around 1.2X. I contributed a bit before with actual relevant conversation instead of pure complaints (or over zealous fanboys).

I think he's being more professional about everything now. I said in the past I didn't care about the art to begin with. The story is what brings me back.
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Vic Venom 2018/02/20 19:06:31 No.1394654
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>>1394629
>>1394636
>>1394626
Erm... since when did he ever give up on that thread? And since when pointing out that some comments can be toxic mean he'll never come here again?

Also y'guys would know the changes & how Dyne's dealing with the criticism if you paid more attention to Patreon, right? They're not all yes-men, the big outcry of Spencer's 1st Daki being incredibly offmodel also existed there.

Maria got changed like 3 days ago, she has EXACTLY the same body proportions, minus the boobs, which, apparently weren't deemed "too much" before, but some putting on some extra kilograms is apparently intolerable... somehow. Granted that report is only going to be public in 2 days for non-Patrons, but Maria's new proportions were announced publicly since February 18th.

Dozer is actually almost identical in general proportions, even the legs were pretty much as long, I posted a picture of both sprites aligned, and both are pretty alike in terms of proportions. The only thing clearly missing is the neck muscles that made him look like he had a hunched back, and thank God for that.
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DyneWulf!ncKvmqq0Bs 2018/02/20 19:18:34 No.1394657
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>>1394629
>>1394632
>>1394636

I don't know what posts you've been avoiding, but everything isn't always sunshine and rainbows. There's a huge difference with people complaining and people offering criticism. I don't mind being criticized, that's life, and I certainly expected that with the change. People complaining though, that's a headache I'd rather not deal with. Once the art transition is complete, I'll get back to this. I'm spread thin enough already without having to deal with people complaining. CM isn't coming back to the project, and people who don't like the new art will either adjust or leave. I've seen insults flung at both of my artist at this point, and it's just not cool.

The fact that you reacted in such a way to what I said reinforces how I feel. I'm not leaving this thread forever (I only stated I might be gone a while), but there's enough stress on me already x3

>>1394626

I think a lot of issues people have with the size and proportions of the characters is that nobody has ever seen them from another angle than straight forward. CGB is doing a fantastic job translating from a straight shot to a 3/4 (and even profile) shot. Most of them, you never saw past their shins, and when you finishing drawing out what CM has done and compare them, there isn't much difference. With what little reference he has to go on, CGB is going a pretty amazing job, and I'm absolutely thrilled with it. He's definitely adapting, and he's listening to any of the major feedback I give.

We've worked over tweak after tweak after tweak, and any of the FINAL results, that's my say. It's nothing on CGB for doing what I ask him to do. I haven't given him free reign to do what he pleases, and if I want any corrections made, he's been more than happy to adjust what I've asked for. We're working hard together to get things close with what we already had though. He's been extremely patient with me and making even just slight adjustments for me. In the end, the art all goes through my final say. I've learned from past mistakes to be more vocal in changes I want, and he's having to put up with me asking for changes already x3

Personally, I love how Dozer looks. I think he looks utterly fantastic and is closer to my original idea for him.

Everyone needs to understand that this is also just a small tip of what's to come. Darius's face shown isn't his "normal" face. A huge part of Darius is being a perv or an ass, so we figured showing him off with a more of a shit-eating grin was more fun. Clearly, this upset a lot of people. This isn't his normal, static face though. Give us some time to get some more work out.

For Maria... See the spoiler included first. Her body is almost the same size. 60-80 pounds more? If anything, she lost weight from breast reduction or she's not wearing something to push them up anymore. Maria's posture in CM's sprite doesn't fully show off her body either, but she has always been a curvy woman. This goes back to my original point of people having a lack of reference for angled shots. As well, I linked in another post the changes there were made to her face to add more into the feminine features that were lost.


I don't expect everything to be perfectly the same. CGB and CM have two completely different styles, and I was more than aware of that. I'm happy with the art direction right now. Hell, I'm overly excited to see what more CGB brings in beyond what he's done already. He's extremely talented and passionate about what he's doing with me, and that gives me so much more energy and drive to get stuff done. He's given me a slew of ideas on things we can do to make EA even better than before, so we're gonna keep working hard at it.

I'm sorry for those that don't feel the same, but this is just how things are gonna be from this point on.
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Vic Venom 2018/02/20 19:22:58 No.1394660
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>>1394659
>Running away.
>Posts right after him.

I rest my case.
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Vic Venom 2018/02/20 19:35:06 No.1394664
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>>1394663
>If he doesn't answer criticism, he's running away.
>If he answers criticism, he's butthurt.

And then you guys wonder why creators don't gravitate toward U18Chan in general?

For fucks sake, and then it's talking about this place having "constructive criticism" and being better than the hugbox that is Patreon.

This kind of behaviour is disgusting, and it's not helping at all. Sounds like you want to see him in a bad light.

Edited at 2018/02/20 19:37:26
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 19:57:27 No.1394667
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>>1394664
Was bound to happen eventually right? I suppose any sort of art change is often the trigger.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 20:12:31 No.1394670
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Do we know how long these routes are going to be, if they’re close to completion?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 20:14:46 No.1394671
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>>1394642
Agreed, I just hope that these are the roughs and there will be decent shading in the final sprites.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 20:18:10 No.1394672
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>>1394670
I think it was said that none of the routes are really planned out. He's just kind of making it up as it goes and it will come to a natural conclusion. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong though, he said that a while back.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 20:37:02 No.1394677
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>>1394672
Oh wow that makes me a little nervous. I feel like it’s a good way to write yourself into a corner...but I’m loving it so far so here’s hoping it turns out well.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 21:52:33 No.1394712
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>CM is out
>no more hyperbulges/bellies

The game is fucking saved. Can't wait to see how did they fix spencer.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/20 23:40:22 No.1394737
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>>1393927

Ain't gonna happen. Dyne already mentioned the dicks somewhere else, I can't recall where but he said something along the lines of "Now they don't look like they'll break you". This implies he was never really happy with the large cocks and bulges in the first place but like, why would you get CursedMarked to help you with art assets? It's what he's known for.

Expect realistic dongs and I'm calling it now, there's gonna be orcs, dwarves, and humans as a ton of side characters. 20 bucks says Coach's ex is a human or orc lady and not a bear.

Another question, didn't some backers give as much as they did so they could be in the game? What if they aren't happy with the art change? Will they be refunded?

I'm dissatisfied with how this is going currently and removed my pledge. Him saying this thread is toxic is rather telling, most people here are bashing CM and glad there's a new artist, and aside from general critique of the character design.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 00:11:09 No.1394748
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>>1394737
And why exactly should Dyne be okay with that?
"We're only bashing CM and praising the new art so Dyne has no right to say that we're being toxic!"
"We're only bashing CM[...]"
"[...]bashing CM[...]"

There, I helped you to see your problem. Just because Dyne and CM split doesn't mean people get a free pass to bash on the previous artist. As far as it's been revealed, him and Dyne are still friends so why exactly should Dyne be happy that you people are bashing CM? Toxicity is toxicity no matter who it's being directed to.

And I might be mistaken given that I've only played the game once a long time ago (I suck at keeping up with this kind of stuff) but as far as I recall, it was stated outright that Dianna was a HUMAN woman. More than once, if I remember correctly. It was also said that the MC has no fur, so while that was never conclusive evidence of him being a human, it sure as hell already ruled out the possibility of him being a furry. Hal was also outright stated to be a human. This is all stuff that has been in the game for more than a year, possibly longer. How exactly is Dyne "changing" stuff to include humans and whatnots? That stuff has always been there, if your reading comprehension abilities are so lacking that you've never noticed that then, well, tough. But that kind of thing is your fault, not the writer's. Dyne's vision doesn't seem to have changed at any point in the project, it's just you guys that have been projecting your own personal desires on him and now seem to think that just because you gave him some money then he has to oblige to your whims. That's not how artistic freedom works, pal.

And onto your question "why would he get CM to work on it if he doesn't like giant guts and bulges?". It is to my understanding from reading of them talking about their prior friendship that Dyne and CM already knew each other before Dyne started the project, so it's very likely that CM offered to help Dyne get his project off the ground by providing art and Dyne didn't want to add corrections to it because he was already getting it as a favor. I mean, he outright states just a few replies before yours that "I've learned from past mistakes to be more vocal in changes I want, and he's having to put up with me asking for changes already x3". That pretty much implies that he disagreed with some stuff CM did but wouldn't say so because he felt bad about it. Seriously, dude, all you had to do was read Dyne's earliest post and you'd pretty much be able to paint the picture by yourself without needing to come shit on his head some more.

Seriously, reading comprehension takes a dive with some of you people...

Edited at 2018/02/21 00:17:33
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 00:20:19 No.1394750
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Honesty it is weird seeing people bash on EA. Despite what others have said, the EA threads were almost always positive and criticism was super friendly. Now it seems like any other VN thread with the negativity and Dyne does not seem to be happy about it.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 00:26:49 No.1394751
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Just checked Patreon and Dyne's newest post had more sketches.

The MC sketch is cute af. If that's who I get to pretend to be I vote this best VN 2018.

Spencer looks stockier. He's got less of a runners build and is pretty built. But seeing as these are just sketches and not the finished product it might change back. Also the whole side view thing really throws off proportions compared to CM's work. Dyne said this was the main cause of why each person looked so different and I believe it.

Also Maria's character model changed from feedback Dyne received. So I'm guessing things are gonna be up in the air for a while before we get a statement from Dyne saying "This is how this person will look from now on"
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 00:31:46 No.1394753
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>>1394750
That's because some people are completely incapable of having civil conversations and acting as normal human beings. If you look at the thread, most of the people that say "I'm not fond of X character's drawing for W, Y and Z reasons" are getting actual thought out answers and having their concerns addressed by Dyne.

But then there are the ones who go "Well, CM sucked and I'm glad he's gone!" or "Well, I don't like CGB and this project is ruined because he's in it!" or "Dyne is ruining this game that I really love and he's a fucking prick for it!". Like... what the hell is Dyne even supposed to say to this? Seriously, people, learn to chill the fuck out. Dyne has stated many times that EA is his passion project. He does this thing because he loves it and he always makes sure to address people's concerns and address the community. Why is it that all of a sudden people think that he's some raving, money-hungry lunatic hellbent on destroying his own creation? The guy has been working on your so called "favorite game" for years now and given people only a few minor gripes here and there about it. Is it really that hard to have faith that he knows what he's doing and that he's doing what is best for the project?

Jesus fucking Christ, some people here act like a bunch of 14-year olds that have never been taught how to have a proper human conversation. Some of these people need to learn to chill lol
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 00:32:49 No.1394754
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>>1394751
Is MC a human or an anthro, asking for a friend? Spoiler if needed.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 01:02:46 No.1394778
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>>1394737
Coach's ex was described as a beautiful human woman.

>>1394664
Now i know why i most of the devs avoid this place like the black plague. Majority of

>>1394712
I actually liked CM's stuff but i'm im excited to see where CBG takes this. I do know alot of people were intrested in the game were off put on how fetish-y the sprites were and CBG's stuff is very proportionate and i expect it to draw alot of people in.

>>1394001
So the dicks aren't gonna be super proportionate but they're not gonna be psudo-hyper either. But a nice middle ground between the two. You have my attention dyne.

>>1394737
Well thats you, I'm still sticking with dyne. But im sure you have your reasons.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 01:40:09 No.1394788
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>>1394786
>spoiler

Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 02:00:55 No.1394792
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>>1394788
>Human
I'm completely fine with this, since I'm used to them already. All I'm hoping is that the MC ain't too twinky looking, but since his build is close to Darius's, hopefully it won't be. Looking forward too seeing him!
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 08:16:19 No.1394868
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Here's an opinion that might get me blasted; as much as I like CGB's art over CM's, this change doesn't feel right.
In terms of art, CGB does more reasonable anatomy, finer strokes, more subtle variation in body builds. All in all he is a great artist. But his style doesn't seem to work very well with this sort of anime-ish slice of life VN. At default, his character expressions tends to be on the darker and moodier sides (His Coach sketch has sharper and more intimidating expression at first glance). Even when they're happy it's generally more subtle and warming.
This isn't to say subtle isn't nice, in fact we need more subtle works, but EA's got some good character drama that relies on the funkiness and liveliness of anime-influenced art style. I just can't imagine him recreating Coach's various more extreme facial expression, like the burst out sobbing, blushing in chibi-sytle (I never seen him do anything akin to "cute" or "moe"). Heck Darius was a likeable perv because he fits into the stereotype of the good-looking perv that at times are intolerable (and get punched off into the sky by a more noBS guy like Spencer). It's tolerable and somehow believable because of how unrealistic/distancing it is and the art can help convey that. Making him any more realistic might just tip it over to an actual perv that makes people uncomfortable.

Edited at 2018/02/21 08:30:01
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 08:26:16 No.1394869
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>>1394868

That being said, it's only an opinion based on CGB's previous works like SNE and Bastard Bonds, which are both inherently darker in themes and settings.
So maybe he's more fluid than I thought and he can produce brighter works?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 09:01:48 No.1394875
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Dammit, missed the drama. I knew I shouldn't have slept today.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 09:21:34 No.1394880
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>>1394868

This is an anime VN? Since when?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 11:39:03 No.1394913
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>>1394657
I'm going to miss that rack, i was still holding out hope we'd get her route one day
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 12:02:45 No.1394919
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>>1394868
Darius has always made me uncomfortable, so this change in artstyle doesn't change my opinion of him at all. CM's bodies were pretty great, but I personally love their faces more now with CGB's style, they look more natural.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 13:31:39 No.1394944
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CGB is working pretty fast so that's nice.
Also Spencer looks like a completely different character now, and tbh I fucking love it. Dunno what to think about MC being a human, but he doesn't look bad and is well built so, whatever.

I'm just waiting to see other expressions from the character sprites, specially from a character like Darius who now seems to have that permanent douchebag shit-eating grin expression by default.
I'll be convinced once I see sketches of at least one of the character's different expressions, but I like what I'm seeing for the most part.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 13:31:43 No.1394945
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Holy wow Spencer looks wrong
Why on earth is he so predatory looking now
Again, the legs are too short, their proportions are wrong
MC looks kind of chubby, which is okay I guess? I'd rather they were more ottermode
Hairstyle is good, I really like the sideburns and the chin scruff is take it or leave it
His face looks oddly wide to me, but I can't really place why it looks wide
Those better not be curly pubes goddamnit
If these aren't serious growers instead of showers I'm going to flip
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 13:42:44 No.1394951
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It only really bothers me that the MC is seeable now...really ruins the self insert for me for various reasons.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 14:07:48 No.1394962
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>>1394945
That's interesting. I never really cared about the MC being visible or not, but that's because I never really thought about it before.

What do you guys think in general about that, commenters? Do you like to see the MC sprite on screen with the other characters sprites? Or only the characters sprites?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 14:08:48 No.1394963
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>>1394951
That's interesting. I never really cared about the MC being visible or not, but that's because I never really thought about it before.

What do you guys think in general about that, commenters? Do you like to see the MC sprite on screen with the other characters sprites? Or only the characters sprites? I am genuinely curious about that.

Edited at 2018/02/21 14:10:26
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 14:15:38 No.1394968
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>>1394945
Agreed. He looks more like a predatory werewolf than cute muscle husky. I'm not diggin the new direction at all tbh
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 14:19:03 No.1394970
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>>1394951
Oh yeah, he was much better as an overmuscled purple blob (that btw didn't have any animalistic trait for extreme furries).
... Wait what?

Jokes aside, the MC as a purple blob in sex scenes, even though it could technically take any form, was more of a turn off than enhancing the immersion.

Maybe we'll have the choice later to re-insert the purple blob, but I'm completely alright with the MC having a face.

>>1394945
I think Spencer's an improvement. Also, you saw how off model he could get when it was CM drawing the character, imagine how Spencer's new poses would've looked like.

I mean, linked picture was the 1st "final" version of the Spencer Dakimakura. Do you think it's better than what we got with Gerbear? Same with the sex scenes; 1st sex scene he had a rather short neck & got a bit more fat (but it wasn't bad at all, just not completely accurate), and on the title screen, much stockier & chubbier.

But this? Another artist doing his own interpretation of the character, who looks/is messy & shows through his grin that he's friendly & internally naughty, which is by the way exactly what Spencer actually is, this is wrong?

Just... huuuuh?

Of course he's not gonna look 1:1, nothing tells us this is the default look, and really, this is a more interesting and telling design than his original. What did the original sprite convey? That he was closing himself and constantly judging you... for an outgoing and very sociable character.

...yeah, I think Gerbear's design look more accurate.

Edited at 2018/02/21 14:34:30
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 14:50:55 No.1394980
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>>1394945
Oompf, I can't believe I love how the MC looks. I love how he's not too lean and that he has a bit of meat to him. The small chin-scruff is the cherry on top.
As for Spencer, I think he may be the biggest departure from the previous design most definitely. I've been fine with the previous designs for the most part, but I think this may take getting some used to. Although, I do really like the sideways shot of his head, his smirk looks pretty cute there.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 14:54:24 No.1394982
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>>1394945
Disregard the part about being predatory, I didn't make out that he was winking
CM did some terrible things with Spence, ie the first lewd art and the many errors and bepis faces
Spencers fingers here look like a proper length which is great but he is still really top heavy

Edited at 2018/02/21 14:54:53
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 15:47:38 No.1395020
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>>1394945

Was not the MC supposed to be a little taller than Spencer? I mean, I thought I read that in the vn..
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 16:51:31 No.1395086
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I know it's not the final product but I think the sprites could benefit from a secondary light source, not hightlights. I tried my best using the secondary light to bring out the forms more and gave Dozer a rim light. I know CGB can do this way better since he knows more.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 16:55:26 No.1395088
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>>1394945
Waaaaat!? I have been out of the loop a while, but why on earth are we showing the MC? This is one of the most self-inserty furry VNs out there, it is second-person POV for crying out loud. IMO He should be kept as ambiguous as possible.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 16:56:37 No.1395089
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>>1394970
I love CM's art but he has a huge issue with consistency when it comes to his art, characters don't stay on model, unlike CGB which is very good at staying on model, he has had a lot of practice from animation.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 17:03:54 No.1395093
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>>1395088
Ah, just read there are plans to disable the image if the player chooses not to use it. That makes more sense, though I do think it would be best not to have one at all, if only to save resources, and also because many playing this game probably do not want to have any face in mind except their own lol but who knows, maybe it will add to the experience.

Edited at 2018/02/21 17:08:07
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Vic Venom 2018/02/21 17:37:58 No.1395130
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>>1395086
I really didn't like the old highlight.
But that one...
Okay.
Okay, that looks pretty legit. Really good even.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 18:15:56 No.1395144
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>The colors are off?

>They aren't. Color samples are being take directly from CursedMarked's work to make sure the images stay as true as possible. The only difference in coloring is the lack of extra shine, and that was my choice to leave off.

Dyne please tell me you understand how putting a lighter colour next to a darker colour makes the darker colour seem lighter and that you just don't mind and it's not you being unaware
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 18:33:31 No.1395150
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Hoooooo boy!
The mc looks freaking cuteeeeee!
I have no issue with having an official mc sprite, as far as I'm concerned he doesn't ruin the experience for me. Spencer is looking a little too weird for me but I'm gonna wait for the art to be finished to judge better. Huskies are hella freaking cute so I hope the artist is able to portray that. Darius looks damn weird to me, like damn those eyes are freaking tiny.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 18:40:59 No.1395153
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>>1395086
that looks way better hopefully this is considered into the actual game

>>1394945
Spencer looks good imo but yeah he looks a little intimidating

>>1394712
cool no one cares
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Furrynomous 2018/02/21 22:49:23 No.1395266
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>>1395153
you cared, flaming homosexual

CM BTFO!
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 02:22:59 No.1395325
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>>1395093
that's a relief. i honestly hate the idea of mixing furries and humans in my VNs. Shame I can't disable Hal, too.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 03:59:33 No.1395353
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My Love Letter To This Community,

Thanks everyone that helps keep this visual novel going. Personally, I like this game. I'm really glad that people want to see their favorite characters get the ending they deserve. I also feel confident that the creators of this project legit want to see it through to the finished product. Everyone of U-chan peeps contribute too; consequently, a few dozen negative feedback posts still breathe life into the community. So, thanks for posting and sharing your comments. It's refreshing to know that most of you care about this game too. I wish continued success for the developers and community alike. Keep up the insanity everyone!

-Old Dog In An Adoption Box
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 07:44:06 No.1395412
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>>1395086

Oh dayum, that seriously looks good! Amazing, even!
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 07:49:06 No.1395415
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>>1395086
I really hope Dyne reconsider his stance on the lighting because this looks so much better shaded like that
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Vic Venom 2018/02/22 08:03:34 No.1395417
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>>1395086
>>1395130
That being said, after thinking about it, that'd be pretty hard to replicate ingame if the artist has to make these effects for each pose & expression on each character,
and even moreso for the creator if he has to come back through all the already coded days and hardcode each variation of sprites depending on how lit or dark the scene is.

Nekojishi got away with it cause it had so few expressions, and AFAIK it only has 2 different poses/outfits per character (as in one outfit + naked). I might be wrong on that last one.
I believe if my memory serves right that Morenatsu pulled that off with a huge diversity of sprites, although that was more like changing the sprites' hue than shading. (which I think can be done through coding alone)

Although I imagine it could work with minimal effort if there's a way to create a separate lighting layer for each character and code them in the game as like a transparent png file to superimpose on top of their bodies.
I know little of Renpy coding, but given what I've seen in the game's folder with separate heads replacing expressions, instead of having a copy of the entire sprite just with a different head, I believe it's a possibility.

Cause making like 3 versions of the same sprite for 1 character with several poses, a demo would probably weigh 3 Gigs by the end of it.
But we still have to take in account it has to be huge coding work, and it wouldn't be all replaced in just one update, so we'd most likely have to deal with "no lighting" for a while, even if Dyne actually likes the shading that was done here.

Edited at 2018/02/22 08:16:14
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 09:23:41 No.1395450
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>>1395417
The clothing and a bunch of stuff like Darius' mane already work as overlays
You can see it clearly when different parts have different resolutions and especially when Darius' beard is shown behind his face by magic
Just adding a grey "shader" layer and having it change to a certain colour based on the time would be easy as piss
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 09:37:02 No.1395458
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>>1395417
Well they can pick a de-saturated tone that could work for morning, noon and night. Also, will the do different poses or stick to the different faces in the text box?
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Vic Venom 2018/02/22 10:59:43 No.1395474
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>>1395450
It is an easy technique as is.

But coming back recoding around 90 days (~18 days per route) with all characters having this effect added would be time consuming, cause they're very often outside.
The mane only appears in three different days in Darius' route, and the mane was already created before Dyne released the update in which it was featured, so he could write & code his update at the same time.
However this is modifying previous days, the lighting would have to be unique to every character & pose.

I never said it was "hard", just long and tedious, it's still work to do through coding by going through all pre-existing days and add lines of coding and then testing everything works.
Essentially, Dyne would have to go through the game 5 more times to make sure everything is calibrated, not to mention MC's sprite will also have to be coded in.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/22 20:04:32 No.1395707
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>>1395474

Just prioritize the husbandoes first. We could care less about the MC if that means the new husbandoes sprites would be done right.
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Vic Venom 2018/02/23 07:17:53 No.1395898
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>>1395707
Given how the sprites are shown sideways now, it's fair to assume they're made to face the MC ingame.

Even without the implementation of the MC, the transition's obviously not gonna be all done in one update; similarly, I have close connections with the creator of Tennis Ace,
and he has to recode his game for all the expressions to appear in days prior to Day 12 (cause all previous Days have neutral expressions), on top of couple rewrites & spellchecking.
He has 12 Days (technically 15) in his game, in 3 weeks he managed to rewrite all the days he wanted to rewrite, and only recoded the expressions till Day 5.
Granted WOTB is less productive (though his Days are pretty much as long if not longer on average), but that's just to give an idea.

Dyne has/had to...

- Recode the entire game with widescreen 720p in head. (which he couldn't really do before since all previous sprites placements were taking the 800x600 resolution in account,
changing the resolution would've fucked up sprites sizes & placements/movements, now that the art is gonna get replaced it's more convenient)
Which means recoding all sprites placements & movements on top of adding the new ones in (since MC's gonna be implemented in most scenes, the husbandos' neutral/usual positions will probably no longer be in the center),
and replace all previous sprites.
- Add MC's sprites.
- Change the UI.
- In case he really likes the highlights, code them in specific situations.
- If he has just one expression per character for now (drawn by Gerbear), making sure the game will load automatically the neutral expression (drawn by Gerbear)
if a different expression (originally drawn by CM) was coded in, instead of getting a Blackgate style visual error every time by trying to load a file/expression (by CM) that doesn't exist anymore.
That counts also for alternate outfits, basically he'll have to make sure it only loads the one default outfit/expression until every art asset made by CM gets replaced by Gerbear's,
holding the same name, so it doesn't cost him even more time on coding.

All that across ~90 Days. Without obviously counting the backgrounds & CGs. He probably has more to do, I only saw the very basics of Renpy coding (the last point I don't even know if it's possible), but that's at least some of the keypoints.

Bottom line, just... no.
For one man, that's way too much to ask in 2 weeks, especially if he has to write something new behind.
Maybe a month, though even then that's pushing it, the first two points alone are hugely tedious ones. We should keep in mind that Dyne works all alone on the code and he writes the story.

Dyne isn't Rebecca Heineman, AKA the "I was hired to fix the bugs & prepare the 3DO port of Doom -that was supposed to be 90% done- for shipping, but the development had barely even started, I was given no source code,
and I had 10 weeks to just make a version of one of the most demanding games in the market out of nothing" girl (and the 3DO version was the worst anyway, but props to her for managing to even getting it to a release state).

TL;DR : Dyne can't make miracles. Let's be patient there.

Edited at 2018/02/23 11:30:42
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Furrynomous 2018/02/23 07:20:59 No.1395900
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Random question ... Are the demos supposed to be until the game ends or there will be a point where the demos stop?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/23 09:11:34 No.1395952
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BTW, do you guys know this game has a TV Tropes page? I'm really amazed about how updated it is, only one week has passed and the page has already addressed about the change of artist. Or maybe I'm just amazed that this game has its own TV Tropes page.

>>1395900

The full (emphasis on FULL) game will be available for free once it's completed, so don't worry. I think the free version just won't have Patreon-exclusive tidbit that is the gallery section.

Edited at 2018/02/23 09:24:29
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Furrynomous 2018/02/23 09:58:13 No.1395969
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>>1395952

Thank you.

I don't care about the gallery so it's fine ...
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Furrynomous 2018/02/24 02:33:09 No.1396346
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Just tried the public demo, had a blast and was ready to sub to both of their patreon once I got a new job and now...
Sorry for reposting but no one seems to reply to the IDEKA page and on the off-chance that someone here is a CM patron... With Dynewulf no longer working with Cursedmarked, is IDEKA dead?
I meant the comic, and not the game as I know the latter is already cancelled. But in several occasion Dyne did mentioned IDEKA the comic is also a collab between him and CM (and I think he has a character in it as well).
I might still sub for Dyne's EA depending on how well CGB's art go (his Coach better have kept those adorable expressions), but is CM still making IDEKA on a monthly basis?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/25 06:58:35 No.1397120
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How hard are the choices in this game? Is it shoe-on-head retarded like early blackgate where choosing what music you listened to in your car determine your hasubando?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/25 07:34:36 No.1397143
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>>1397120
They're not really hard I feel, it's all about understanding the characters and once you're on their route it's pretty easy to tell which option would earn you points
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Furrynomous 2018/02/26 15:15:47 No.1397934
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>>1394945
I love MC's desing! And I'm happy he'll be a human.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/26 16:41:22 No.1397953
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File: MainCast-Highlights_u18chan.png - (2.96mb, 3118x1545, MainCast - Highlights.png)
The highlights help but they're still dwarves, their fingers are still too short, Darius' face is STILL TOO SQUARE
What part of "his muzzle is not a cube on the front of a flat board" does CGB and Dyne not fucking get
His face is straight up predatory buttsex which is fine for the parts where he puts on that act but not okay for when he's just fucking chatting
His current "normal" faces are a neutral face and a lecherous grin
This is neither
FUCK I DONT WANT HIM TO BE RUINED
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Furrynomous 2018/02/26 16:47:24 No.1397956
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>>1397953
ALSO
>Richard is either doing a fucking MJ lean towards the camera or he's being viewed from 45 degrees above his front except for his shins and feet
>Dozer is suffering the most extreme lordosis I've ever fucking seen
>Why are Dozer's feet so small actually why are they smaller than Darius' who's like 2/3 his mass
>The fucky shoulder to waist ratio is very obviously wrong to the eye
>Yes I know it was wrong in CM's too and he deserves critisism for it but the straight on view helped mitigate some of it - the angled view we have now really puts emphasis on those shoulders and just how far out they jut
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Furrynomous 2018/02/26 18:45:46 No.1397990
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so i have a question: now that the characters are being redeigned, will that have any effect to the CG scenes?
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Furrynomous 2018/02/26 18:56:31 No.1397995
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>>1397990
From discussing with Dyne and other Patrons it appears they will slowly scrap all character art assets, including CG scenes. The response heavily hints the scenes will be remade, and kept close to original versions.

They essentially plan on "phasing out" the work along with continued updates.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/26 20:19:54 No.1398016
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>>1397953

It's...weird that I don't seem to mind about it. At all. I wonder why.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/26 20:28:51 No.1398023
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>>1398016
Same here, I guess I'm just too pleb to give any valid critcism since I find them to be perfectly fine.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/27 01:57:52 No.1398092
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Furrynomous 2018/02/27 04:13:01 No.1398132
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>>1397956
Now that you mentioned it... why are they all viewing the MC from the corner of their eyes? I'm fine with some variation in stance but now none of them talk to you in a frontal view. It's kind of unnatural now that you think about it.
It only makes sense if they are placed to the left and are looking at an image of MC at the right, like in fire emblem.

>>1394945
Spencer looks more like a wolf than husky. Plus now he got a squarely chin like the new Darius. In fact, everyone got a prominent square jaw except for maybe Maria.
I hate to be negative but it would be nice if CGB can make some variation to the faces like how he does it with body shape.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/27 06:01:52 No.1398147
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>>1397995
>they will slowly scrap all character art assets, including CG scenes
Guess I won't live to see the day this is completed.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/27 10:57:25 No.1398287
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>>1397953
These are really good! Darius looks too short though, I think it's because of his legs. Other than that I'm really liking the redesigns.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/27 11:26:29 No.1398300
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>>1398147
I would hope they keep the redrawing of the CG scenes already done by CM for later, after they've finished every other art asset CGB has to do.
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Furrynomous 2018/02/27 18:14:59 No.1398508
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>>1394945
Spencer needs work, he looks too predatory, not the friendly husky we know and love.

Also I'm a little disappointed in the MPC's design, yeah he's cute, but the faceless figure we got before was more immersive to me. I could imagine him with whatever skin color I want. He doesn't really feel like "me". (Yes, I know that there will be an option to disable his sprite, but that wouldn't really be an option for the CGs now would it? Not unless he's planning on removing the CGs altogether or doing multiple variations or something. The anonymous black shape was honestly just better for me.)
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Furrynomous 2018/02/27 23:59:48 No.1398651
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>>1398508
That's the other thing. The latest public update shows that the MC sprite will indeed appear in normal conversations, which explains why now all the character sprites appear in a side view (so that they face the MC sprite, though I wonder why their eyes are still angled towards the player?)

If Dynewulf plan on implementing a feature that removes the MC sprite completely, not only do the CGs will have to be altered, the way the character angle themselves should also be altered so they look at the player directly (like how it's done in CM's version). This essentially means Dynewulf will need to have another set of pictures for each character. I just can't imagine the amount of work involved for an optional feature like this.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 13:33:50 No.1399497
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>>1398651
If that's the case, i'm pulling my backing for this one. Human MC is just not going to work for me.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 13:54:37 No.1399520
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Has Dyne ever said what kind of fetishes are going to be in the VN? Obviously there's the ultra muscle stuff, and the footfag stuff, but is there plans for anything else or is it going to be mostly vanilla?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 15:01:55 No.1399546
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>>1398147
Yeah, I'm wondering, too. Since the new art is only now being created, isn't it realistically going to take years to replace all of it? Considering the project isn't finished and art for new stuff will have to be added along the way as well.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 15:26:13 No.1399554
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From Dyne's Tumblr

Also a new Patreon post worth reading
https://www.patreon.com/posts/lot-of-work-17168010
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 15:41:08 No.1399567
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i hope they release all the old stuff for us to be able to save.

i use to be a bigger fan of CGB but, i dunno i started noticing stuff with a lot of his art i dont find as attractive anymore. its not bad art, its just not my personal flavor.

it saddens me that this change happened. i hope it wasn't some drama behind the scenes.

i cant really give any criticism about this, it just..i dunno it just doesn't appeal to me. i wasnt spending any money on the patreon and only tried the public demo so my opinion doesnt matter..but, that's life lol.

hope cursedmarked goes on to do something on his own.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 16:03:31 No.1399574
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>>1399554
Glad he took the advice to add secondary lighting, makes them look more lively.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 16:58:08 No.1399599
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>>1399554
Holy shit coach turned into a half-bee
That fucking fuzz goddamn it's so bright
Please tone down the neon yellow
I'm seriously going to flip none of these characters have proportionate legs. Some of these arms, especially the players, Richard, and Dozers, go straight past "gorilla" and into "slenderman" tier length
Fix the fingers, fix the legs, fix the right angled jawlines, fix the tiny little pixie feet
Coach's belly looks like a massive hernia and barely attached to his body
The MC has paper white skin which is fucking retarded for a character known to be sporty and outside a lot
Everyone is at a different jaunty angle so everything looks ridiculous next to each other like dyne wants in the game
What in the name of god is that vacant mouthbreathing expression on the MC
For that matter, when will we ever see the MC? We play the whole game from behind his eyes, is dyne planning to rewrite everything so we're in a third or second person view?
I already stopped patreon-ing him when he just ignored any comments on the patreon saying "maybe there's problems with cgb's art" and instead just wanked himself off to every person saying they liked it
fucking christ I'm mad I wanted this to be a good eroge
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 17:03:57 No.1399602
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File: Lineup_u18chan.png - (7.78mb, 7399x1545, Lineup.png)
>- Yes, all old art will be preserved.
No, you will not have an option to leave the old art in. Yes, all merchandise is still up for sale. Yes, humans exist in this world (they always have). Yes, the MC will have a method of being disabled. Yes, these are their final designs.

Always good to know that Dyne is willing to take constructive critisism instead of just going ahead with massive changes in art style and character design that nobody asked for. Really glad the person making this VN isn't being paid to make it, otherwise it might be massively dissapointing to some people who didn't like this change.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 17:33:07 No.1399613
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>I already stopped patreon-ing him when he just ignored any comments on the patreon saying "maybe there's problems with cgb's art" and instead just wanked himself off to every person saying they liked it
>fucking christ I'm mad I wanted this to be a good eroge

You might have missed when he took in account criticism of Maria's hips/face & Chester's chest, and the lack of highlights.
Also you expected him to cater to everyone's taste? Impossible. CM's art would've gotten the hell out from the start.
It's not with that attitude that anyone will miss you.

I swear those with polarizing opinions in this community are acting as childish and entitled as the Sonic fanbase.

Edited at 2018/03/01 17:33:21
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 17:55:53 No.1399619
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I normally do not comment on this board, and usually avoid to read the comment as the toxicity level is off the charts.
I am sad to see that this thread became the victim of this as well.

It seems people do not understand the meaning of constructive criticism.

Ge over it guys, art is subjective, and there is no pleasing everyone, besides the change happened because the original artist and the writer mutually decided to part ways.

On a side note: Patreon is not a web-shop, you do not buy products there, it is a platform to support creators, so the argument about making changes without asking the "customers" is flat out ridiculous.

The original art grown on me, but I quite like this new design.

What I would suggest is to make Spencer a bit slimmer, and hopefully there will be a sprite with a more natural expression.
I would soften Dozer's "eyebrows" a bit, and Maria could be a bit more slender (and maybe a bit shorter I guess.)

Keep up the good work guys, and do not let the toxic vocal minority discourage you.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 18:15:06 No.1399628
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It's already a given that there would be people who hates the new sprite artworks with all of their guts, but damn this is just toxic. I thought we all agreed that we will never sink this low...

>>1399602

I'm totally fine with this. I can't give my constructive criticism not because I'm too lazy to type, it's just that I can't find any error or what feels wrong to me from the new art. They're quite pleasing to my eyes. What kind of impressions are in CM's art are still conveyed to me in there.

CM's art took me 3 hours to get used to, but not for this one; I can recognize who's who right away and I don't feel awkward looking at them.

I guess I can say that CGB's new art's an improvement for my taste. This makes me looking forward for the next developments.

Edited at 2018/03/01 18:18:20
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about the protag. 999 2018/03/01 19:18:48 No.1399657
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I don't have any problem about having a protag, but it feels really not natural to have this angle of these characters and your character there.
The idea of a VN is to see through the eyes of your character, even when we have a MC, he just has expressions, not a sprite, and he is shown in CGs.
VNs with protagonists have a lot of CGs because of that.
Look at dramatical murder for example, the characters are still facing the protag.
What do you guys think?

Edited at 2018/03/01 19:20:29
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about the protag. 999 2018/03/01 19:18:50 No.1399658
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>>1399657
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 19:24:51 No.1399660
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>>1399657
There are actually VNs that do that. In this case, you play as a set character. See Paws & Steel and Ocean Blues (both of which are painfully difficult to get to sex scenes. >.>)
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 21:16:22 No.1399694
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>>1399628
I dunno, I only did art via online course so maybe my opinion doesn't matter, but here's some constructive criticism I hope.
The problem with CGB's art is that his characters tend to have "dwarfish" height even when he avoids making them too thick. He's adhering strictly to a "7 heads" model than a typical "8 heads". This isn't to say the 7 heads one is wrong on its own, but when you do that for all your characters and have them lined up like that, it can look a bit static and lack variety. It's really prominent when you do that with slimmer characters as their legs will appear to be out of proportion. Darius is the worst offender here especially due to how low his waist line is.
Going back to the dwarfish issue, I have a hunch that CGB (who is obviously much better than me in terms of artistic knowledge) is aware of this, so maybe he's actively trying to avoid giving characters big feet, a typical feature of dwarfs. But I think he may have gone overboard and thus making the feet too small. A quick way to assess this is to compare the size of the character's hands to their feet; their feet should be bigger if not roughly the same size. I can overlook Dozer's design because of the dick size joke, but the guy next to him has no reason to have such a small feet considering he already has shoes on. It's border lining foot binding (plz don't google this).
Anyway, I can see a couple of toxic posts here but I don't think it's that bad. If anything this thread has more constructive posts than the patreon comment sections. I know it's frustrating to sweep through some garbage in order to find those tiny pearls but I do hope he still visit this thread and perhaps show some feedback to CGB. I see CM's art gets bombarded all the time but no one seems to talk about CGB's. Some discussion won't hurt him, right?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 21:22:36 No.1399697
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Following from >>1399694
The funny thing is that most of the stuff I mentioned are masked in the screenshot in >>1399658 because you don't see that much of their lower body anyway >_>
Still, if CGB is looking...
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Furrynomous 2018/03/01 21:44:58 No.1399710
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So I guess all routes will end at Day 30 now looking at the top left calendar?

I really like the new sprites (Even though I do admit the short legs give a weird vibe maybe?), especially now that they fixed Maria's figure and Chester's pecs, but I think Spencer's sprite is not a good choice for him.

It's not poorly drawn, it just doesn't fit Spencer, for a lack of a better term. He doesn't look as gentle as he used to. I like Darius' expression because it fits his personality, but Spencer's too close to Darius' for it to fit his character in my opinion.

I think it has something to do with the teeth? I understand the new artist mimicked the exact same expressions, but they have to keep in mind that we're seeing them in a different angle now, so maybe that's not the best idea and it should be fixed?

I hope Spencer looks more like the mental idea I had of him when new expressions get added, but his neutral, wink + grin combo is not really doing it for me for now.

Anyways, I'm excited for the next update. Hopefully it'll be Darius! Surprisingly, he's the only character without a sex scene, and the only one that won't ever be drawn in CG by CursedMarked.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 00:27:31 No.1399742
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here's a screenshot to show off color swapping

also, sprites aren't always on screen for dialogue, if you didn't know
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 04:01:56 No.1399801
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>>1399742
It must have taken lots of skill to make it look even worse than before.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 05:57:15 No.1399834
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>>1399599
>Holy shit coach turned into a half-bee

But anon-kun, didn't you know

>it's hip to fuck bees
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 13:08:51 No.1399964
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>>1399628
>toxicity
Could you please point to the exact posts in this thread that are so horrendously toxic and lacking any constructive criticism that you dread opening this thread so much? The ones that fill this thread and turned it into the physical manifestation of hell itself? The ones that fill your soul with anguish and despair so much that you feel the need to criticize them, without even pointing them out? Are these one-in-twenty comments truly so horrendous and "off the charts" that the entire thread "fell victim" to "toxicity" and thus you'll ignore people giving coherent arguments as to what is wrong with some of these designs?

It's getting ridiculous with people criticizing the art change, then others defending it by, instead of pointing out flaws in the arguments given, them just giving off these nebulous descriptions of "toxic" posts filling the boards, while neither pointing them out, nor acknowledging valid points of criticism by others.

>It seems people do not understand the meaning of constructive criticism.

What "people" are you talking about? Most people's gripes are with the proportions of some character's legs and arms (Christ, the MC can reach his knees with his arms while standing straight up...), the change in characters' facial structures (mostly pertaining to the unusually squared jaws), and the upper-body focused design that make the overall physical aspect look cartoonish in an art style that tries to be moderately realistic. It clashes. Whether with established designs or with the art style itself, but it clashes.

What about that or people's suggestions (relatively longer legs for example) isn't constructive criticism? Just because some are using swear words does not make their constructive criticism invalid or nonexistent.

>Ge over it guys, art is subjective, and there is no pleasing everyone

Imagine Dyne chose Cyberklaw (google it if need be) instead of CGB as the artist - you wouldn't think twice about calling it shit instead of defending it with "subjectivity in art" excuses. Art isn't subjective, preferences are. If art were subjective, there were no need for art classes or analysis, there'd be nothing like talent or aptitude, good or bad art. There are obvious, objective, qualitative differences between for example Cyberklaw's and DarkGem's art, whether it be an understanding in anatomy, shading, proportionality, perspective or color theory.

CGB is good in some of those aspects, but reasonable proportionality is not his strong suit since it's all over the place. Thank god the in-game scenes cut off the characters legs/feet, so you won't notice it as much. Doesn't save the _human_ MC's orangutan arms reaching far too low, though. It's a shame that Dyne arbitrarily decided to make these designs final.

>What I would suggest is to make Spencer a bit slimmer, and hopefully there will be a sprite with a more natural expression.
>I would soften Dozer's "eyebrows" a bit, and Maria could be a bit more slender (and maybe a bit shorter I guess.)

Well, someone once said that "art is subjective", so I don't understand why you feel that your subjective opinion on what needs to be done should be considered, let alone be heard. Everything is perfect, just the way it is, so stop being so "toxic" and "get over it". \s

I hope you understand my annoyance with "toxicity" and "subjectivity" as an excuse.
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999 2018/03/02 13:18:34 No.1399968
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>>1399964
Damn! Well said.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 14:27:58 No.1400009
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>>1399964

Right? I mean the MC is totally standing up straight, his hip/shoulders isn't/aren't cocked to one side either. Definitely long ass 'orangutan arms'. /eyeroll
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 14:35:41 No.1400014
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>>1399964
You are part of the problem you complete buffoon, there's no need to be rude
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 14:47:02 No.1400021
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Okay, lets say that slouching and cocking your hips and shoulders lets your arms reach below your dick and that the twinkie fingers aren't a problem
Why? Why is everyone in a ridiculously uncomfortable pose? Try standing like the MC, spine curled, one arm below the other, all twisted. It's not comfortable - at all.
And I know I said we'd assume, but I can't let you go with that on spencer especially - his left arm is noticeably longer than his right, and his left forearm is a good few inches further to the left than his left bicep, somehow. It's as if his forearm is dislocated from his bicep.
And before you say he has it side on and he's just slightly curling his arm, consider just how long his left arm would be if he straightened it out, and how fucked he would look. Remember, he's at an angle to us, so his left arm looks smaller than it actually is!

Come to think of it, everyone seems to have grossly disproportioned arms, even outside of the length in relation to the legs - they're just randomly sized compared to their other arm.

As a final note, the faces are ugly. Massive noses, Neanderthal brows, eyes set in bits of shade that imply absolutely massive sockets, gormless expressions, and a bad case of right angled jaws. Square jaws are not a bad thing and they can be attractive, but nearly every character is established as having a muzzle that's at least slightly rounded - look at the cover art for EA, all three of the characters have smoothed corners to their faces to help imply that yes, they're furred, not just covered in skin with the occasional spike on it.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 15:23:28 No.1400052
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>>1399964
OK yeah, I was overly dramatic, that is true.

I did not want to point fingers so I did not referenced the specific comments.

I meant u18 as a whole on the toxicity comment at the beginning (the situation might be a bit better, I would not know, as I usually hide non-picture post)
And those kind of comments started to popup here as well since the announcement, that is what I tried to convey.

Art is subjective (in general, otherwise everyone would think/feel about the same exact piece), I will stand by this, BUT of course there are certain aspects of it which are exact, I am not doubting that.
(Not sure why I am arguing in porn board about this, I guess I am just being stupid.)

I think you will agree, the saying "This is shit" is not constructive criticism, since there is nothing to gain from heeding the advice aspect, since there is no advice aspect at all.
(I am talking in general now.)

You are right on the last part as well, I just wrote down what I would like to see being changed, so that is not really an appropriate criticism either.

So yeah, my comment was not really necessary (not sure why even I wrote it) but so is your rudeness, because if that was an attempt at humor, then boy do I have bad new for you.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 15:57:37 No.1400071
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>>1400052
>but so is your rudeness
what
can you please point to where that anon was rude in his post
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 16:04:45 No.1400073
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>>1400021

Whats uncomfortable to you and me might not be so for another person. Having seen people irl holding themselves in a way that I couldn't its a distinct possibility.

Everyone's in an uncomfortable pose? That's an exaggeration.

Spencer's arms, you are taking into account the overlap that occurs with bent joints yes?

For the rest of it: You are basing it off CM's art correct? As the basis 'established characters designs', *points to the OP's image/the cover art* the noses don't look too different than the ones CGB did, straighten Spencer's racket arm, look at his thin ass ankles, and short legs all around.

I liked CM's art in general but there were issues that were present, yet I don't recall this level of vitriol occurring. I mean of all the characters CM did for EA Tai was gross to look at, personally, it seemed like he was going to explode like someone on DBZ doing a suicide attack because his proportions were all over the place.

Let's face the facts, CM is gone so further comparison on how it Should look is meaningless as the art/'established character designs' would have changed with whomever Dyne would have chosen if he hadn't picked CGB.

If its a big thing, then patron's bringing it up will get things changed[like with the shading], if its fair criticism and not out and out dislike for disliking's sake.

TL; DR: Dyne can't please everyone, his word is final, you don't have to like it, CM's art wasn't perfect either.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 16:09:31 No.1400078
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>>1400073
Good thing I'm not allowed to complain at all about issues if there were also issues with the other artist who I didn't like either
Thank you for deciding what I can and cannot say in this thread in a smug post full of pathetically broken English, anon
That reaction image really makes me feel #rekt and I won't ever say a bad word about CGB again
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 16:11:55 No.1400079
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>>1400021

What title screen are you looking at? Do you not see how vastly different the title screen art is from the in-game character art? That's a terrible argument to use. Spencer's sprite actually looks like he's covered in hair with the CGB is doing too.

And should I point how how grossly disproportionate CM's character art was at times? Let's use Andrew as an example. Look at the size of his arms and how different they are. Or should I mention how CM shies away from forearms and wrists? Or how his bulges looks like they are smuggling babies in their shorts, causing the clothes to stretch and distort in ways that aren't actually possible? Or that he can't draw characters to look consistently the same (Spencer's title screen, sprite, sex scenes and dakimakura all look different).

Some people are on the all-out offensive against CGB working with Dyne now, and it doens't make sense. CM was far from accurate with his proportions, so why is there so much complaining now as opposed to when CM was the artist? I think that's a big problem with how things are now. Nobody ever called out CM on his art being off, but since Dyne had to go with a new artist, suddenly, everything is wrong.

CM did fantastic work for EA, but his work was by no means as perfect people seem to think it was.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 16:16:30 No.1400082
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>>1400078
1.&2. Never stated that anywhere. My broken English huh, funny.
3. You seem to haven taken it rather personally.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 16:20:02 No.1400084
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>>1400079
I don't like CM's art and I don't like CGB's art. I have complained about CM's art before and I will complain about CGB's art now. That CM was and is utter shite doesn't make CGB good.
This is essentially the only chance that there is for a new artist to be chosen that isn't garbage, or for the garbage artist to be made to tone down their awful habits. What better time is there to complain about it?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 16:26:32 No.1400091
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>>1400084

Who would you suggest? Given that this was pretty sudden, this would have been a large commitment to take on.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 16:28:47 No.1400092
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>>1400084

You post under the guise of an anon, so you can't expect people to discern your complaining from someone else complaining.

You're awfully passionate about complaining about the art though. If it's so bad to you, why do you come back? If you thought it was bad with CM and think it's bad now, why put yourself through this? Do you complain just to complain?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 16:36:29 No.1400109
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>>1400092
Because I like the story? Why else?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 17:13:42 No.1400140
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>>1400109
but you still haven't answered the question, who do you personally think would be a better requirement other than CGB?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 17:52:44 No.1400160
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>>1400140
Do you mean "artist" when you say "requirement"? Or "replacement"?
Anyway, I'm not sure if you're asking me this seriously, but there's no shortage of artists that could do the job. I can't say any in particular because I can't find any of CGB's prices or timeframes, so finding someone comparable is impossible.
If you're asking who else would be willing to join the project, I have no clue because I'm not in close personal relation to any furry artists.
If you're asking who I'd LIKE to draw the art, then, uh... Artdecade, chumbasket, chewycuticle, zorro_re?
There's lots of good artists.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 18:05:18 No.1400168
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>>1399602
Would have liked if Chester was a bit pudgier like Dyne said he intented to make him but I fucking love that shirt so I can't even complain.
Overall I'm pleased with all of the redesign, but I'm still kind of weirded out by the change in perspective, I hope I'll get used to it once I'm playing the game.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 18:12:59 No.1400170
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>>1400079
>Nobody ever called out CM on his art being off, but since Dyne had to go with a new artist, suddenly, everything is wrong.
That is simply not true. All three of EA threads has people pointed out (repeatedly) CM's tendencies towards macro and hyper as well as his inconsistency between the daki, roll up poster, CGs and sprites. In fact it's in this thread as well.
It's established that CM's art isn't perfect and many people were rather content with his departure. Even those that were disappointed agreed that CGB is a better artist. If you scroll up this thread you can see many posts describing their excitement for CGB's rendition of the characters.
The complaints only truly started after CGB released the design. What does that suggest? Perhaps people do like CGB, but they just don't like CGB's take on these characters and feel like it's below his usual standard.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 18:23:48 No.1400178
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Ok, this thread is officially cancer. I'm out
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 18:27:14 No.1400181
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It's also very uncomfortable that the arguments with regards to CGB's art is now boiled down to the vague "subjectivity of art" and "would you rather have CM's art back instead?" Both of these are far from valid counter-argument for "constructive criticism".
I'm the anon that said about the dwarf-like proportion and it's not fair to brush all that points away by suggesting people are just not open to change. I know I'm a bit at fault here because that post didn't said anything positive about CGB, but I thought it was a given that CGB's much better in realistic drawing with better control on the subtler details of color, lighting and the variety of body builds.
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Cancer Furrynomous 2018/03/02 18:36:13 No.1400185
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Yeah this thread got very toxic very fast I'm out
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 19:16:10 No.1400200
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the latest version 1.53 is so fucked lmao it's so broken
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 19:25:52 No.1400206
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>>1400200

You know, I'd be amazed if it isn't broken. Just give Dyne some time, I'm sure he doesn't even sleep in the last two weeks working in this tornado (metaphorically speaking, of course).

Edited at 2018/03/02 19:26:12
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 20:53:35 No.1400245
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so... what's new in 1.53 ?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 21:32:42 No.1400250
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Part of me feels like CGB was brought in only because of his "success" with game completion, but people should remember he has had just as many abandoned projects.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 22:38:40 No.1400284
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>>1400245
Spencer day

The rest of the time was spent modifying the game most likely
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Furrynomous 2018/03/02 23:14:31 No.1400300
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>>1400200
Someone didn't read the post... He even said to make fresh saves because everything was changed.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 00:03:13 No.1400318
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>>1400300
I did tho lmao
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 00:37:22 No.1400332
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>>1400250
2 is a pretty high record for a community that barely get anything off the ground. Plus he seems to be working quicker than usual... he has already altered and finalized the design for all major characters in the update right after the announcement in Feb.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 01:34:08 No.1400351
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>>1400300

Yeah, I read it too beforehand, but I didn't know it is that fucky. Reading about it and experiencing it are two different things, y'know.

I don't say I'm not enjoying the mess, tho. XD
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 07:08:44 No.1400395
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>>1400200
Someone didn't read the post... He even said to make fresh saves because everything was changed.

Edit: I stand corrected. Tried out the new update.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/03 16:19:55 No.1400596
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Lol I'm curious to see screenshots of how fucky it is
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Wulfy 2018/03/03 21:51:03 No.1400717
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>>1399602
So, I decided to support this game prior to the remake for a number of reasons:
1. I do like the new artist, as while CM is fine; I think his body types are very same-y and fetishistic.

2. DK has not allowed problems to disrupt his output. Even though this past update has not had the amount of update I'd expect, the effort he's putting in is apparent.

I will also note some updates to my personal tastes:

Chester is now my first choice. The appearance improves, and I rather like that his nerdiness on display is really awesome. He's pretty solid on his appearance overall too.

Darius WOULD be my second choice, but if I didn't know his personality, I'd be rather turned off by his piercing. Love the expression though.

Spencer is now third. I think he was best for CM, but eh.

The rest are roughly equal. Not bad just about the same.

Note: I do find most of them hot on some level, but the above is more like the three who I would pursue if I had the chance.

/opinion.
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Noctis the generic wolf 2018/03/03 23:43:16 No.1400754
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Ok.... Glorified Rantview by someone that isn't a supporter but like the VN (So, that means, just an opinion and take it like that, i could be absolutely wrong in all of this)

So.... here we go:

1.- CM and CGB have completely different styles which determines who the aspects on every character would be defined. CM will have buffy (or balloon-ey) models, while CGB will make the torso more prominent that any other part of the body. When it comes to proportions, i'm sorry for both, but none of them are the best on doing it. That being said, however, while on their style, they look good... uhmm... yeah... just good.

2.- Maria... By her looks on CM design, she was a voluptuous woman, cute face, an smile that every cat lover will adore and, of course, a lot of MILF material. CGB does justice to some proportions, he already fixed the face, which is a nice touch (but i personally still think is just a bit off), the hourglass shape is there, so still a very hot woman... but in both i think something is missing. Maria's character is more like a mother. She's is very worrisome, does plenty of things with a happy face and when she cries we want to kill the person who made her cry. So I think they should try different expressions with Maria to at least make her more motherly.

3.- MC, Spencer and Darius proportions and body complexion. This is just being a bit picky on the context of what they do. MC is a human that mostly of the time says that he's weak, so he may be like an otter or just plain a twink. Making him an 'average body' was a nice beginning to the model but he should look a bit thin (just a bit, the design itself is awesomic). Spencer is a stripper/dance (This is a spoiler, but this needed here) so his musculature are 'fine', as same as MC, a bit thin and we got a husky. Now, since he has done pole dancing, his arms and leg may have been more enhanced so i may take that back, but overall, it's just a bit thick for me. And Darius. By lore, he trained most of the time in a pool, so a good swimmer build might be awesome. Again, i may take that back because he IS a wild animal, but most of swimmers don't have much (if not at all) body fat. Just make it more ripped, or if it's because his fur is making him fluff, that's ok... ... ... ... ... i digress.

4.- The three big guys (Harold, Chester and Dozer). By far, they're well build in CGB designs, even in CM they're insanely bulky and show strength. So, what's wrong? Mostly nothing. Congratulations.

5.- Richard. This is one of the most hard to describe it, because... i don't like it. It might be the posture, and early draft or even a quicky that was due to time line, i don't know. For me it looked rushed (basing just on the one that was shown). I know CGB had that tendency of style and poses, but it looks weird.

6.- The feeling of each style is now different. With CM it was very cheerful, cartoonish, goofy and even make me look like the characters were joking a lot. Looking like fantasy. With CGB it looks polished, human, more different but familiar. His works were often (if not always) within a darker tone. The coloring of both are their trademarks, as CGB is always playing with dark tones and shades, CM always uses lightning to show more 'waxy' the character and to make more contrast.

7.- Humans in general are always a bummer when you are in a furry game. It looks very off sometimes, but... remember that this game began with Spencer described as a 'Husky/Wolf-kin morph', so that is a clue that they're not in a time/dimension/universe/planet/cartoon/etc where it only exists anthros, and was basically at the beginning of the project. As for how customizable the MC would be, i don't mind that feature at all, because mostly the narrative is going to lead everything, so all of this is up to Dyne's talent of writing.

8.- As for the new comers... I didn't care. At first it was "hey, Waffle, Massimo and Butch were there too, right? well, why not let some of CGB OC come to this NV too!"... until i saw who were. I did my research and i don't mind them. I really (and i mean really) hope that the other three mentioned before keep being on the VN with CGB style, of course if CM doesn't oppose to it. And... also...

9.- What will happen with the guys who got their characters in the VN too? I guess they're going to be remodeled, but are they ok with this? Maybe they already answered this and living under a rock doesn't help very much, but i'm really intrigued on how they reacted and if they are fine with the change of style (and also, with how their new sprites will be in the VN).

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway. I hope Dyne can read this (maybe not, it's up to him), but these are my concerns and my opinions. Maybe it's just as simple as 'it's my game and i know how to do it', but i didn't feel like Dyne did that to us. There might be a salty moment (i say might, because it was just telling to other people to look for other VN, which is fair considering that dyne's not forced on doing everything people say, nor does that user is forced on liking that game or even play/buy it), but i think that he is by far the most communicative creator of all furry fandom on the VN subject.

Keep up with the good content!
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e money 2018/03/04 00:17:09 No.1400774
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I love Cursedmarked art style and its not for everyone. The new art style will take time to get use to it. Spencer's art changed the most from title screen, in-game scene and body pillow.

IMO CM's work on Coach was the best one while others like Bam, Azaghal,Waffle and random teacher at the school and coach who made you run laps. Those guys I can see some folks not liking them because of over the top bulges, muscles and body.

IMO I think Spencer,Coach and Darius has the best routes. I don't care about Dozer and Chester pushing way too hard on anime stuff trying to appeal to us.

(Side note does anyone know if its possible to get a commission from him and how much it would cost? He's one my favorite when I first joined the furry fandom 8 years ago)
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e money 2018/03/04 00:53:17 No.1400793
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>>1400774
I would like to say a few more things. I like the new poses for the characters. Its just Spencer's face is still bit off. MC arms are too long and bulky.

Maria looks like a actually woman and mother figure she should be.

I wish they had new art work of them with tennis rackets or doing tennis poses(serving the ball, wearing head/arm sweat bands, hunched over ready to hit the ball back etc..)

this is a game about tennis in college and you can date your teammates or coach. Tennis should be a important thing for all the characters especially for MC and rest of his team and trying to win matches and improve their game and become state champs
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 00:57:10 No.1400797
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Why the fuck is this making $6000 a month on Patreon? Guys, a lot of people this loose/gullible with their cash?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 01:04:05 No.1400798
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>>1400797
Why the fuck do you care about how other people spend their money? It's their money, they can spend it however they want. If I or someone else enjoy something, look forward to it every month, see the creator putting a ton of effort into it and being forthcoming with his fanbase then why SHOULDN'T I throw money his way? Would I expect people to put this much work into something just for free?

Seriously, people have to stop with this annoying habit of trying to criticize others for how they spend their own money. If you don't like it, don't donate to it. It's as simple as that.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 02:47:11 No.1400820
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>>1400797
Kek, you must be a brainlet if you cannot even find a way to exploit furries to give you money
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 06:42:50 No.1400860
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>>1400797
There's about 1300 patrons so on average each patron pays a little bit more than 4 dollars a month, which isn't that much if you think about it.
The average salary in US is near 4k per month. Whilst 6k/mth seems a lot higher than that, it's did not include costs so it's not the equivalent of profit. However it does make me curious about how much does the art/background/music cost and whether the artists are taking percentages or fixed payment. From what I recalled the development for EA started since 2016 so the amount is starting to stagger a bit. My favorite route (Coach) has also been hanging around the end for a while now. As much as I don't want it to be rushed, here's hoping EA can be done and released in 2018!
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 09:44:39 No.1400900
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>>1400798
>game in development for 2 years now
>24 months * $10

>$240 a year, not even for a AAA game.

I guess AAA publishers should forget Loot Boxes and Microtransactions. Making porn games on Patreon with only the hope of "promise that it'll be finished someday" seems to be the way to go.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 11:07:45 No.1400925
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>>1400900
$240 a year? Math really seems to have failed you, huh? What kind of year has 24 months, exactly? Lol
Also, sure, there are people donating $10, but if you want to calculate these kinds of things, you should take the average (which is $4 per person).
$4 x 12 = $48
Yes, it's very expensive to spend approximately $48 per YEAR on a game that you like and play every single month. Totally absurd!
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 11:54:07 No.1400946
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Obvuously I meant "in 2 years".
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 12:06:16 No.1400950
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>>1400925
I'm not >>1400900 but you triggered me. You knew what the guy was implying - $120 a year is still a lot.

I would like to argue that $36 a year ($3 * 12 months since you like to math check) is STILL technically too much. Why? Obviously Dyne is human and did not have full updates each month and some were short. The reason this matters to me is because I happen to be a fast reader. I'm paying $36 each year for AT MOST 2 hours of gameplay and potentially glimpse some CG's (which should be the most 'expensive' part of the project).

This isn't some humblebrag that I'm a fast reader, it just means that I personally am not getting the most bang for my buck. Others might.

So in the end I'm shelling out like ~$1.33 in goodwill since I want him to do well. Some people give more in goodwill by paying $10 a month. That's his Patreon.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 14:07:55 No.1400975
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>>1400950

It doesn't matter whether you're a fast reader or not. Seeing games like Nekojishi out for bloody -free- without any of these Monthly Subscription, crowdfund me shenanigans should be standard.

$36 or $120 a year for a subscription to something you can't enjoy for more than a quick fap session is just ludicrous.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 14:52:51 No.1400990
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>>1400975
Nekojishi was crowdfunded on a Taiwanese Kickstarter for like, 30k.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 15:51:11 No.1401014
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>>1400990


And EA is going for 2 years. Let's average his total monthly to $3000 for the past, multiply by 24 and so on.....

70k+++
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 16:16:26 No.1401024
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>>1400975
>>1400990
>>1401014
Damn, I probably should learn how to make a visual novel and draw lewd bara furries to rake in money. I hope y'all support me when I set up a patreon.
Cheers!
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 16:53:22 No.1401038
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I don't like the fact that the characters will no longer be looking at the reader, it feels weird and not as immersive as it was.
Other than that I don't have anything against the changes

Edited at 2018/03/04 16:53:44
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 17:01:12 No.1401041
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>>1401014
True, but to say Nekojishi was simply free isn't exactly true.
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Vic Venom 2018/03/04 17:17:43 No.1401047
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>>1400975
You... do realise that EA is free? At least to the same extent as almost any VN on Patreon or Nekojishi is free.
You're not paying for any stuff, except for Early Access.

If you don't wanna pay for that, then just wait 1 month to get the exact same results. I dunno how that's a complicated concept for some; those who pay gonna have at least a few perks.

And Nekojishi also is much shorter than this still unfinished game. Also, the difference is that Nekojishi wouldn't have started without a budget, Dyne started with small pledges for several months, so even without much budget he would've kept the game going.

Also, reducing EA to just a fap game... funny, considering how it goes slower to the NSFW stuff with other characters than the "mature, dark" VNs around.

Edited at 2018/03/04 17:24:17
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 17:38:30 No.1401055
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The amount of pledger remorse/justification attempts in this thread is hilarious. XDDDDDDDDDD
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 17:46:35 No.1401056
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Plus Nekojishi has shorter routes and less choices/characters. And I'm pretty sure we're going to get another sets of CGs for each character, somewhere near Day 30.
Just to clarify, Nekojishi is by no mean a bad VN. It's the first COMPLETED and OPENLY sold gay furry VN from a mandarin-speaking country which is an amazing feat. Yet it's still a relatively short VN (However I do look forward to more works from them).

Still, I think it's a fair warning sign that Dyne should consider finalizing expectations and maybe ask CGB for some advise in regards to production deadlines. All these talks about potential features on his tumblr prior to the artist change is worrying because that's how many indie projects failed; over-ambitious, spending too much effort on features that weren't necessary, spreading themselves too thin, and in the end losing all the trust and support.
Patreon is a lot more lenient on this due to its donation like feature compare to kickstarter and it's great Dyne make it free to public. But in the end I think all developers should have the habit of starting with smaller-scaled projects and then put the learnt experience into the next one, instead of repeatedly overhauling that first baby to the point they lose all the passion.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 22:39:58 No.1401146
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>>1401055
You know, if someone does have remorse, and they're actually pledging, then they should just send an email to Dynewulf to discuss the possibility of a refund (I bet he'd be more receptive to that, as opposed to anonymous whining and entitlement).

To be honest: speaking as someone who does pledge a little each month to Dyne, I was not surprised that this release was problematic. We had the warnings (he sent messages through patreon, via email, and even announced them publicly). Development of projects will always go through ups and downs, and when a project has to be rebuilt from the ground up, there will always be hiccups (usually in the initial builds). Call me an apologist, if that makes you feel better and/or superior, but I'm fine with keeping my pledge because I know that Dyne is still working.
Let's face it: all of this grandstanding and exaggerating is going to dissipate almost instantly in the face of the next update (you'll even see claims of redemption and ridiculous praise if Dyne throws a dick in there, somewhere).
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Furrynomous 2018/03/04 23:36:48 No.1401159
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>>1401056

This is actually great advice. This is obviously a learning experience (as evidenced by the coding experiments for one) that should be used as a great stepping stone. Dyne has gotten a lot of good PR out of this, he should just bring it forward to his next project.

However, project management has seemed like an issue for a while. I've been a pledge for quite a bit and it has ALWAYS been noticeable when the dude was rushing to meet a deadline. If there wasn't the art shift for this update, we would have for sure gotten a one character update for the end of February since 28 days =/= ~30.

At the time I thought he was being held back waiting for CM pieces, but I kinda got the gist that's just how he roles.

It's hard to compare EA to other game models as there aren't that many to compare with. I really like having 'complete' updates like Echo does for instance. EA updates have always felt temporary.

Thoughts?
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Furrynomous 2018/03/05 02:43:04 No.1401224
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>>1401056
I am afraid of burnout, though he's gotten a lot of encouragement so I doubt it'll happen.

I'd also probably stay a patron even if he suddenly starts on something else

>>1401159
Echo gets updates that end in cliffhangers, tho
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 09:00:39 No.1403058
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tbh i hate CB's stances
its basically the same over and over
like that anime face shit on girls
always the same but color of eyes
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 14:27:44 No.1403210
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According to this guy, coach Grifer and MC relationship would not work
>>1400503
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 16:03:34 No.1403260
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I prefer old art,and I understand why change it
but use a lot of time to redesign UI or etc
for me it's a unnecessary decision

Guess its like buy some time for new artist
personally,I'm OK just story update
and art comes later updated

Some new idea should wait till major route end
or save it for next game
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 17:08:34 No.1403292
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>>1401047
Mature and dark VNs? What NSFW furry VN is like that?
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Wulfy 2018/03/07 18:32:24 No.1403312
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>>1403210
The odds are hilariously against it. And really, the point there seems to be more like "Let's not lie, this doesn't normally work out and it's really dumb for people to be upset when people say it's hard to imagine this working."

If this were a comic (single story line vs routes), the coach one being canon would probably welcome criticism (as the viable alternative of Spencer exists).
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Furrynomous 2018/03/07 20:20:29 No.1403347
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I played three routes (Coach, Chester, Dozer) so far, but I gatta say Coach's route felt the most "canon" out of all of them.

I know Dyne personally likes Chester the most (plus it's based on his bf so duh) but his route along with Dozer's felt too niche. Cheeky references aside, you interact with them in almost completely different settings and get involved with different casts, whereas other characters from the team barely show up. Even so the different casts seem to play rather minor roles except for Andrew and Harvey. It just felt like with Coach's route every elements in the most relevant setting are used - you get Maria and Richard actively showing up, Spencer (and maybe Darius) constantly helping you out and
Spoiler

I've yet to try Spencer so I can't say too much about it. But I mean the trope of a near-perfect childhood friend getting cucked (but choose to continually support MC, thus winning sympathy and tears from the audiences) seems to be the trend in fiction now days... It's unrealistic for sure because supposedly they know MC the best and share similar interests and background, but it's also weirdly popular. Maybe it's because it's too "safe" and people like the drama from "surprises" more.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 03:57:13 No.1403495
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>>1403292
Blackgate, definitely. I haven't played Echo, but
I've heard that it has horror elements, so it probably counts, too.

Edited at 2018/03/08 03:57:50
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Furrynomous 2018/03/08 07:11:45 No.1403567
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>I played three routes (Coach, Chester, Dozer) so far, but I gatta say Coach's route felt the most "canon" out of all of them.

Besides, Spencer and the character you're comparing to are similar in nothing except meet MC/Protagonist before.

Let's not discuss it there, please. I doubt people of Extracurricular Activities care about the shipping war in "The Internship"

Edited at 2018/03/08 08:10:16
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Vic Venom 2018/03/08 08:33:42 No.1403588
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>>1403495
Indeed, I was alluding to Blackgate.

But I put quotes for "Dark and mature" for a reason; the creator used these terms to define his VN.
Envision "dark and mature" with airquotes at this point, calling EA a "fap game" when Blackgate goes NSFW stuff 5 times quicker (even though it's not what it's about),
it's sorta pushing it. Even then, at least EA is about relationships and asks for the player to be invested in them to get the "fapping material" (cause you can fail getting them),
it doesn't pretend to be horror with near unmissable NSFW bait because it sells.

And as far as similar VNs go, I'd argue Echo is more "dark" and (definitely) more "mature" than Blackgate.

Edited at 2018/03/08 08:39:23
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Furrynomous 2018/03/09 12:47:54 No.1404151
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I'm still wondering why Darius' jaw is bigger than the rest of his head
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Furrynomous 2018/03/09 22:17:05 No.1404322
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And Echo is definitely more fun to read
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Furrynomous 2018/03/10 03:04:33 No.1404413
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Echo is a much more entertaining Mystery/Horror VN than blackgate. Characters are well written enough to be believable. Lore doesn't feel rushed or half assed. It also did something that BG didn't even accomplish. Completed a route.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/24 21:58:51 No.1411697
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Okay, so like I haven't been keeping up with EA, so sorry if this has been answered already...
But why the fuck does the player character have a sprite now, and why is he a fat 40-year-old man?!? I thought he was supposed to be a young college student.

And Spencer looks like shit. I'm gonna miss his beautiful eyes. :'(
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Furrynomous 2018/03/24 22:33:43 No.1411704
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>>1411697
to answet your question, CursedMarked(the artist) and Dynewulf(the writer) had a falling out and CM is no longer working on the project. Dyne added CaptainGerbear(who's art you now see currently) onto the EA team so there is going to be a big art shift. Slowly but surely the CG that CM did is gonna be phased out and replaced with CBG's work.
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Wulfy 2018/03/25 00:16:46 No.1411744
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>>1411697
He doesn't look like an old man...? I agree his stomach is a tad bit larger, but it's suggested he doesn't have abs (spencer's route) and he's a good deal out of shape from lack of tennis playing.

As for Spencer's? A little; I get that. I think the extra Darius piercings are a turn off; and I feel Chester's given a bit too much fat in his appearance, but changes over time.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 01:01:24 No.1411756
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MC is okay. In fact I think it's probably the youngest character I've seen from CGB.

Have to agree on Spencer. CGB seems to struggle with the more anime-like winky expression originally designed by CM. But I'd say it's getting better with the later updates. Dynewulf/CGB toned down the lines and shadow around his eye sockets so at least the opened eye stands out a bit more now.

I don't know if Chester is any fatter though. In CM's version his gut bulges out whenever he wears his tennis shirt. Coach has a balanced amount of fat and muscle, but with Chester it's like the gut is... hanging loose?
Now he looks like he's just thick. His gut is also smaller than that of Dozer despite the later does more work out.

Edited at 2018/03/25 01:02:28
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Wulfy 2018/03/25 11:49:09 No.1411944
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>>1411756
I meant his pectorals; they look comparatively saggy rather than having some firmness. I didn't mean his stomach. My bad for lacking clarity.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 12:01:29 No.1411948
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Look the fact is the art work needs a lot of work. And the thing is the people that complain the most are actually patreon but there are people who like the art are paterons as well. Dyne needs to have a vote for paterons if they are satisfied with the art or not. Because if this goes unaddressed, he may end up losing paterons and the project can potentially go down hill. Personally I don't want that I like supporting him with my patreon but the current artist has to fix characters like spencer and Darius. I looked at his past art but it seems that he can only draw bears or muscle fat men. Spencer is an athletic with softer features the current one is simply to rough and does not match his personality. Including Darius who doesn't need the extra piercing. Harold and dozer and chester look somewhat fine because the artist currently can draw bears or muscle fat characters but he needs to work on slimmer / athletic characters more.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 13:14:16 No.1411974
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I think if the whole winky face for spencer wasn't his base expression it would be better. Just like a slight smirk or something. I agree on getting the vote though
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Stop Supporting Extracurricular Activties cus of reasons Megawaffles / Shane 2018/03/25 14:06:48 No.1411985
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Actually. let this Project go Down. Having Cursedmark is already a fucking bad idea and having a change of artist because of personal dispute already let the patron's down. This project been taking too long and I don't want to waste my money on Patreon on Dynewolf because of a broken promise and fucking waste of money and patience.

I mean really! Stop supporting this if this kept on having awful changes. Having CaptainGerbear wasn't a bad idea but redoing the whole VN with some stupid fight with Butch, the Illegal Immigrant whom living with Waffles, will just take this, iunno another 2 years?

People just waiting for more artworks of the characters just for fap material.
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Whine more HurrDurr 2018/03/25 15:20:11 No.1412022
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>>1411985

Why wouldn't all of the art be redone when the first artist is no longer with the project? Having two different style like that would be stupid.

The project still had some time left regardless, if Dyne planned on putting 30+ days per route with the plans on adding two more characters, there was still a while left no matter how you look at it.

What promises has Dyne broken? He's always up front with his patrons about what he's doing and what's going on, so what's your problem? You just sound like a salty artist who doesn't get recognized for his terrible art.

And what does the information about CM and his man have to do with any of that? Are you just -trying- to start drama? Get a life.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 17:02:23 No.1412053
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>>1411944

If you are referring to the saggy chest in the sketch from
>>1393155
It's already been corrected, see
>>1399554
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 17:39:23 No.1412066
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Hopefully not repeating a pre-made point (haven't read this enormous thread), but I still think the MC looks wrong in general. I get this constant uncanny valley sensation from him. I know there is supposed to be an option to "remove his image" being implemented, but the "intimate" scenes will still likely have him come into the picture.

His standard image has a stance that is a slouchy, vacant looking person. The clothes style is also quite off-putting (maybe just for me, I admit), with the wife-beater and mailman cap feeling silly. Combined with the hairstyle plus those "pubes" of a beard, he makes me feel like I am suppose to be playing a douche.
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Wulfy 2018/03/25 18:59:21 No.1412100
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>>1412053
Until I see him bare chest, I can't be sure. I did note that though.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 19:04:56 No.1412102
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I agree completely.
MC face throws me off, and even if we remove him from the screen, the characters won't be looking at the screen anymore, these new sprites are looking to the sides, always.
I know it's not a big deal for the majority, but I just can't get used to it.

Edited at 2018/03/25 19:05:30
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 19:25:23 No.1412108
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>>1412102
Here's the thing about that, though:
you don't like the MC's body, but they're working on a system, much like what was in Bastard Bonds (a CGB game, available on steam, and I do recommend trying it as it's cute and there's at least a free demo), where you can replace the sprite of the MC with whatever you want.

You can call it a cop out, since I know a lot of people can't be pleased no matter what anyone does (which makes sense why they're seeking so much out of a sexual fantasy visual novel), but that should be a good thing.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 20:33:29 No.1412127
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I don't think the MC looks that bad besides the mean attraction is the other guys
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 21:15:19 No.1412148
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>>1412108
Yeah okay but when is that going to be actually in the game? Before or after all the CG's and sprites get replaced? When the entirity of the story done gets put into the new ui? When Richard gets a route? There's no timeframe for any of this shit
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 21:18:27 No.1412150
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>>1412127
See, that's my problem. I don't think the MC looks good, but I don't care about the MC's design because I like animal men, not humans. It's exceptionally jarring to have these furry creatures suddenly joined by what is by all measures an overweight human, and it takes me out of the story just as much as seeing the MC when the game is written in first person, just as much as lewd scenes being totally off model does.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 22:04:41 No.1412158
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>>1412150

The outside world must be terrible for you if you think the MC is anywhere near overweight. And how is it jarring? I was expecting the MC to be human given what hints we got through dialogue and lack of dialogue relating to his species or definite 'furry' characteristics.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/25 22:59:59 No.1412171
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>>1412150
Actually it's written in second person in which it refers to 'you', which makes it all the more jarring because that weird looking chubby guy is definitely not 'me'.
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Who is Megawaffles Furrynomous 2018/03/26 10:38:39 No.1412332
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>>1412022

He is an artist. from what I heard he's bitchy about this artwork going to this kind of sites like imageboards and what not.I mean if he doesn't want to gave his artworks to go somewhere, Suggestion: Don't draw.

Also not as a Rumor but as a fact; Megawaffles been getting to be friends with other furries who can Boost his Ego and Popularity. I mean this is disgusting of him to be popular. Like in comparison; He's the Goon of someone likable which leech out of a popular person and in the end, if they're tired of him; he's just going to find another host to suck.
from DJRodney to Junichiboar to Houndgrey. TBH he's trying to suck up on someone's genre or try-hard to fit in just to say, gain popularity without even laying a finger. His artworks are also fucking stupid, like even a high-schooler can do better. If I'm someone who knows Megawaffles, I say leave him and let him rot. Avoid Megawaffles. I mean why does he need to say something bad about Dynewolf. he's doing his best to keep up his work. Like Disgusting!
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Furrynomous 2018/03/26 13:41:31 No.1412366
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>>1412332
Who the hell cares. Go take your drama somewhere else, it has nothing to do with the game.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/26 17:59:12 No.1412446
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I think the main problem with the MC is that when you put humans into contrast with furries, the odd proportions of these art styles becomes abundantly clear. For example his arms (though actually compared to his torso seem realistic in length) still seem oddly long along with a smaller than usual head.

The posture and general style given to him is also quite odd. It honestly feels very distant from the character I imagined, which I think is key to the issue. People seem to be saying that he doesn't look the way he "sounds". I also don't know why but that semi-beard thing is super off-putting, everyone I know who has one is either a lazy ass or an "intellectual blogger" (both left and right wing). The hairstyle kind of also hits that note, but not nearly as badly.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/27 07:45:57 No.1412709
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>>1412446
But there are humans in EA before the change, just that they didn't get a sprite back then. Suppose CM didn't leave the project, we'll run into that issue sooner or later. I think humans at this stage is a moot point, there is not point trying to get rid of them now.

Being in a college right now, I can't say I agree with the assessment of MC. The slightly unshaven chin is really common, especially if it's near the start/end of a semester. Plus it's still no where near those hipster scruffy chin which is the most awful thing next man-bun and freaky goatee/mustaches.
I do think you're onto something with the lazy ass-vibe from MC though. The slouchy shoulder with arms casually swinging down makes him look extra lifeless next to other more vibrant characters.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/27 08:07:28 No.1412713
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>>1412709
Still, as someone who greatly favors CM's work over CGB's (that's right, come fight/kinkshame meh) and disappointed in his departure, I think we should start cutting Dyne some slack.

Yeah, I know he said he's probably going to leave this thread for a while, but it's almost as if he's still checking it every now and then. He improved Chester's design, (continually) tweaked Spencer's face, and he started addressing some valid concerns raised above; He produced a google doc briefly describing future updates to let the patrons know what they should expect, and he's a lot more assertive with his tumblr and finally stopped saying dangerous stuff like "maybe I'll add that feature in the future". Sure he limits most of his replies on praises on patreon, but it looks like he's taking in the criticism, or at the very least acknowledging them. It's a good change and rushing it might turn it sour.
I'm still pissed at CM leaving, but if it affect them so much on both personal and professional levels then the fall out had to be huge. I doubt CM is coming back and it's not like CGB is going anywhere. For now I just feel awkward whenever I see Dyne's character in the past CM artpacks / IDEKA comic / Halloween VNs. Like fuck... my boner can't deal with guilt. Their twitter seemed perfectly fine back in Dec/Jan.

I just hope this project succeed and done before next year. It's the only furry gay bara NSFW game in the top 50 patreons. If it fail then I'll lose all hope for the artists in this community.

Edited at 2018/03/27 08:12:55
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Furrynomous 2018/03/27 10:50:44 No.1412744
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My biggest issue is the eyes, all the characters are looking anywhere but eachother like staring into space. I think that's an issue with the whole 3/4 view, it wasn't a problem before because they looked that the player.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/27 18:08:10 No.1412860
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The thing that bugs me most is that the game went from being first-person, to like being third-person. It changes the whole feel of the game.
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Wulfy 2018/03/27 21:02:50 No.1412907
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>>1412860
This is easily the most valid concern I've heard.

I objectively don't like that change, but I did want the player character to have a body (I despised the "insert here" ghost body.)

Ideally, I'd want there to be no player character except in CG (see BlackGate, which is something it did right in my view), but I think this is fine. IDK.
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Furrynomous 2018/03/29 12:46:09 No.1413558
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>>1412907
Yeah, his expressions could be shown at left side of the textbox just like every other character.
>>1399657
This VN here have this blue haired character that is the protagonist, but only his expression are shown, his body only appears in CGs
This way you have a protag, first person, and the sprites looking at the screen.
It's way more immersive, that's why VNs in general that have a protag are like this.

Edited at 2018/03/29 12:46:51
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Guide update? Furrynomous 2018/04/05 09:53:02 No.1417213
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Has the Guide been fully updated for the paths?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/05 12:25:09 No.1417261
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>>1417213
The same response for many months.
"Guides can be found here. Keep in mind, my focus is not updating them, since my time is better spent elsewhere. They are good enough to get what you want now though!"
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Furrynomous 2018/04/07 18:23:09 No.1418349
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Am i supposed to feel threatened by Andrew? he's an asthmatic nerd with social anxiety who collects evangelion figurines. I feel like you could disable him just by slapping his glasses off his face.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/07 20:12:22 No.1418396
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>>1418349
Did you get on his bad side or something?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/08 02:09:04 No.1418540
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so i have been playing the latest update, the new sprites that has been implemented in the game are great IMO but i do have my gripes with them. The game overall has a more bright and upbeat tone to it and i think that CBG's coloring doesn't mesh well with it, his colors look more washed out and faded when put against the background or compared to CM's coloring. But CBG style will broaded the appeal to the game, while i did like CM's work i felt like his sprites gave the wrong impression of the game while CBG's style did.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/09 00:43:54 No.1418858
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>>1418396
Not really, but he keeps making this threatening comments and giving this looks and I'm like "calm the fuck down the big bang theory furbara spinoff reject"
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Furrynomous 2018/04/09 10:20:43 No.1419033
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The only issue I have with the new update is Dozers arm (a bit to big, even making the bulge less pronounced would be nice) and Darius being so short. I do like the character customization though, I kinda imagine it was just going to be a shadow dick showing up in scenes.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/09 12:43:14 No.1419082
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>visible humans
>Maria went from a MILF to a MtF

God damn it -_-

Actually the boys you're romancing all look pretty OK, but get the protag off the screen if we're not going to be able to pick a species for him other than human.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/11 10:07:45 No.1419832
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>>1419082
Even if the MC were to never be on-screen, you'd still end up seeing humans, 'cause Maria and Hal are both humans.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/12 09:22:17 No.1420155
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>>1419832
What? Now Maria is human?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/12 09:32:16 No.1420156
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>>1419832
>>1420155

Wasn't she some sort of cat ? Did that change since the last update ?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/12 11:37:39 No.1420218
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lol Maria is still a kitty lady. Dunno what that guy was smoking.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/12 15:22:16 No.1420301
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>>1419082
>>1420155

Humans have always existed, if you paid attention to the writing. Dyne's even mentioned in the past that he planned on having sprites done for a handful of characters that are human (such as Dianna and Hal). I guess since CGB is actually getting work done, we get to see them sooner than later.

We'll just have to see how he handles the MC when chosen not to have him on screen or to have furry variants. He's said something about further customization, but we don't really know what that means just yet. Maybe a little patience would go a long way.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/13 10:59:23 No.1420859
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>>1420155
>>1420156
>>1420218

Oops, I meant to say Dianna, instead of Maria. My bad. My point still stands, though.

Edited at 2018/04/13 11:00:02
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Furrynomous 2018/04/14 16:10:11 No.1421407
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This is just a recommendation to NOT call Chester on day 23!!!!!
Also Darius is the kind of rich horny friend i need in my life.
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Teddy-the-yeti 2018/04/14 17:23:27 No.1421420
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Wow, coming back to EA after such a long hiatus and seeing SO MUCH progress and changes.
It brings a tear to my eye :')
What's the current update?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/14 20:45:27 No.1421462
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>>1421420
Well, now we have one character\one day updates, so it's not so great.

Edited at 2018/04/14 20:46:09
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Furrynomous 2018/04/15 01:33:48 No.1421547
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>>1420859
Wait so she's no longer Madoka?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/16 01:19:24 No.1422000
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When do you think the new art are going to implemented on public update?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/16 01:29:48 No.1422002
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>>1422000
Let's see... (editing this shortly)

So, here's the deal. The patreon front page isn't updated, but the itch.io page has the correct info, v1.50 and v1.52 respectively. EA v1.52 is the first update with the new art, I think.

https://dynewulf.itch.io/extracurricular-activities

Edited at 2018/04/16 01:33:16
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Furrynomous 2018/04/16 01:53:08 No.1422008
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>>1421407
You leave my nerd moo alone.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/16 10:34:12 No.1422104
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Could they fix the freaking eye issues. With the new art style it seems characters don't look at eachother, just stare into space.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/17 20:48:06 No.1422690
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Oh wow okay the whole "paper cutout flipping round" animation is actually horrible
Also just straight up flipping sprites for when you're having people face opposite directions is dumb and gay
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Furrynomous 2018/04/17 20:55:10 No.1422691
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>>1421407

God. The fuck. Why.

The cringe. The embarrassment. It's unbearable.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/17 21:39:26 No.1422718
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>gallery is still fucked
why
he's not adding new images to it either why is it still so broken
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Furrynomous 2018/04/18 23:18:14 No.1423157
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Oh jeez
I don't think you should show the MC, you lose the immersion of history
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Furrynomous 2018/04/22 09:19:29 No.1424667
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For some reason, the nudes of Chester in the legacy gallery are locked for me even though I got all the way through his route in the version before the update. What gives?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/22 17:36:11 No.1424803
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>>1418349
>he's an asthmatic nerd with social anxiety who collects evangelion figurines
Jesus, I never realised Andrew was me in real life, feelsbadman
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Furrynomous 2018/04/22 21:38:55 No.1424870
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I...don't understand the choice of making this a third person with a side eye view type of VN. It works in some games but definitely not dating sim where there's a certain amount of self insert.
I'm one of the people that wanted the MC to be human, but I wanted it to be like blackgate where it's just mentioned and visibly shown (without the face) only in CGs.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/25 03:39:09 No.1426054
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Dozer D18 spoiler.

Spoiler

Damn, Doz. I still can't hold my laughter. XD

Oh yeah, by the way, we have two active threads; one here, and one in /d/? What's up with that?

Edited at 2018/04/25 03:40:24
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Furrynomous 2018/04/25 04:00:05 No.1426059
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>>1426054
It was originally in /gfur/, but the thread got too long, so a bunch of VNs got moved to /d/ and moved back to /gfur/ a few months ago since most people don't check /d/.

I think the EA thread in /d/ has more patreon talk.

Edited at 2018/04/25 04:06:25
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Furrynomous 2018/04/25 21:57:20 No.1426505
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I got a sex scene for Dozer, Coach, Chester, and Spencer. Tried for Darius but I'm guessing it's not implemented yet? I mean, either that or I'm choosing bad options to boost his affinity with me.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/25 22:05:23 No.1426509
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>>1426505
darius' sex scene wasn't implemented yet before Dyne and CM's fall out so it will be implemented with CBG's art overhaul.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/25 22:22:37 No.1426518
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>>1426505
Dozer day 20 and Darius day 20 is not in the game yet.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/25 23:48:22 No.1426549
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>>1426518
dozer got his sex scene on day 17
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DOZER GUIDE Zol 2018/04/26 23:42:28 No.1427211
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Guys please, I fucking love Dozer and if someone could help me out by getting the sex scene i would be so grateful!!!!
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Furrynomous 2018/04/26 23:50:30 No.1427212
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>>1427211
Not really that hard to get his sex scenes unless you're deliberately not going for it.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/27 02:17:00 No.1427275
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>>1427211

Dozer's sex scene is just a matter of "Do you want it or not," no way you can miss it.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/27 05:54:56 No.1427332
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>>1427303
Currently, the sex scenes are buggy since Dyne changed the game resolution a few updates back.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/28 15:40:34 No.1428065
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i think not just Dozer, if you try Spencer, and Chester all of the NSFW scene is bugged out, it moved a bit to left from the scene
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Furrynomous 2018/04/28 15:48:17 No.1428081
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and i can't find coach sex scene anyone can help me with that?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/28 19:52:55 No.1428153
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>>1428081
Did you use Darius to make Coach jealous on Day 10?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 02:29:25 No.1428257
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no i don't
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 15:14:05 No.1428558
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>>1428257
That's what you need to do. You have to use Darius and make Coach jealous to get Coach's sex scene.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 16:27:09 No.1428592
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and when the sex scene is happening?
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Furrynomous 2018/04/29 16:52:48 No.1428610
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>>1428592
Maybe I should post this here again. Here are the official guides for the game up to a certain point (outdated).

https://www.patreon.com/posts/guide-updates-11871696

Someone from the discussion board also made their own unofficial guides.
>>1422387
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Furrynomous 2018/04/30 01:50:56 No.1428744
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One thing i always wondered is, what is harold's natrual hair color is blonde or is it black? Does he dye his hair? If so, what color does he dye it in?

These questions will forever haunt my sleep.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/30 02:25:24 No.1428749
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>>1428744
His body hair is blonde so his natural hair color must be blonde too...
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Furrynomous 2018/04/30 07:40:56 No.1428826
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>>1428744
According to Dyne's tumblr, he's naturally blonde and does not use any products.

He's pretty much a Butch clone except with slightly more bear like features and blonde hair/chesthair.
It worked when the style is more anime-like because I'm desensitized to all the crazy hair dyes and hair gels in anime. Still ... kind of okay with the new style I suppose.

Edited at 2018/04/30 07:45:10
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Sprites Furrynomous 2018/04/30 18:02:51 No.1429030
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Just naked, for your enjoyment.
I find them quite good for what is worth.
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Sprites Furrynomous 2018/04/30 18:02:53 No.1429031
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>>1429030
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Furrynomous 2018/04/30 22:34:20 No.1429141
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>>1429031
mc looks like a fucking albino
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Furrynomous 2018/04/30 22:39:40 No.1429143
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I just finished dozer's latest update and uh...spencer, was really acting out of character that day. while i don't think it's badly implemented, i do feel tension between him and dozer will rise soon.
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Furrynomous 2018/04/30 23:56:18 No.1429170
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>>1429141
Good thing you can change the MC's skin and hair color
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Vic Venom 2018/05/01 02:03:52 No.1429210
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>>1429143
I don't see how this is OOC.
He tried to punch someone who was about to (albeit fakingly) do naughty things to the MC, on the basis that he didn't know the other guy.

It's been pretty obvious that he can be as much okay with MC's decisions (Harold) as trying to reconquer the MC. (Darius)

Spencer can be happy for the MC, doesn't mean he can't have a selfish/jealous side. And jealous he definitely is. Being competitive doesn't help either.

Edited at 2018/05/01 02:04:06
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Furrynomous 2018/05/01 02:38:55 No.1429229
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In a distant Spencer update, you will be given a choice of opening a battered shoebox found in his closet.

The MC opens the shoebox only to discover that Spencer has handcrafted a miniature-sized shrine dedicated to the MC. It seemed that Spencer meticulously collected discarded tissues, placed a smoldered candle with what looks like burnt shreds of the MC's jockstrap, and decorated the walls of the shoebox with blurry polaroids of the MC changing in the locker room. It even seems that there are short poems dedicated to the childhood lost together as friends.

Frightened by the horrific discovery, the MC turns away only to find that Spencer had been patiently waiting for the MC to turn around and proceeds to make a tennis dog joke (the equivalent to the Big Bang Theory's 'Bazinga!').

The MC is stabbed and his blood is collected so that Spencer can keep his best friend forever. The shoebox is now adorned with a sickly red hue. The screen cuts to black and Dyne lets us know that he is excited to see us next time.

You (as a player) are absolutely shocked that Spencer isn't as perfect as he seems. Frightened by your revelation, you jump routes and SUDDENLY a literary miracle descends and you are given interesting characters to date. It's like he is a boring character with little to no flaws or intrigue and you should dump his ass.

Git at me



This has been my completely true, unbiased fanfiction
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Furrynomous 2018/05/01 13:30:03 No.1429420
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>>1429210
Disagree that he tried to hit someone just because he didn't know the guy. He first asks if MC knows the guy; Spence only throws a punch after MC says he doesn't. He is jealous, but he also has reason to believe that the MC isn't consenting to what is going on when he enters the room.

Personally, I think this shows that Dyne isn't really careful about writing Spencer consistently. If he is going to be jealous over Dozer, he should get jealous in every route. Instead, all of his jealousy vanishes and he instead tries to encourage MC in getting together with Grifter. Spence might not try to sabotage the relationship, but it comes off unrealistic to pretend he would try to help his longtime crush hook up with some people but get jealous of others.

It's similar to comments I've seen on his patreon that there are scenes in Grifter's route hinting at Spencer getting together with Darius, or hints in Darius' route about possibly leading to a threesome between MC, Spencer, and Darius. There is no way to have Spence get involved romantically or sexually with Darius without writing him ridiculously OOC. Yes they dated briefly, but even Darius admits that he had to hide who he was to get Spencer to spend time with him (see Darius' statement that MC was the 1st person to know who he is/how he acts and still want to spend time with him for reasons other than casual sex). The game spends too much time establishing that Spencer doesn't like the way Darius acts for it to be believable that he would suddenly be willing to overlook it, especially since Darius' behavior doesn't change.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/01 14:08:15 No.1429433
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>>1429031
Why is chesters dick so much more detailed
why does dozer have a chris-chan tier bend to his duck
what's with all the uniballs like chester's and coach's clearly aren't small enough to hide behind the benis so are they missing one or what
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Furrynomous 2018/05/03 19:04:58 No.1430344
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I wish yiff.party wasnt down. I really wanna play the new update.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 12:19:45 No.1430628
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stretch armstrong ass arm motherfucker
Look at those tiny eyes
I wasn't aware someone could be worse at keeping characters features consistent than CM but I think CGB managed it against the odds
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 13:27:07 No.1430669
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>>1430628

I am so glad I stopped supporting this. I really dislike the new style and the cookie cutter main character. I liked not seeing him more than this.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 13:27:22 No.1430670
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>>1430628
Wouldn't call it inconsistent, since that's just how CGB draws eyes in his own arts. It does feel like Harold in the new scene is more CGB-esque compare to his twitter post back in
>>1384500

I think the art is good (but CM is still my favorite, sorry CGB), but I'm seeing some difference in interpretation. Harold seems more handsome (and more serious) overall yet his laugh expression has a different ring to it... Not as cute, maybe it's because of the angle. (Also is MC meant to be that big? Because I recalled Harold was tall enough to spoon him with his chin on top of his head, though I have no issue with this muahahaha)

I'm more surprised by the difference in writing. There is a prominent increase in swearing and it instantly reminds me of bastard bonds. But maybe it's intentional as a way of reinforcing Harold's liberation from his previous repressed mentality.

Edited at 2018/05/04 13:32:54
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 13:52:10 No.1430682
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>>1430670
The MC is still small ish, it's just the total disregard of perspective in the scene
Also the fucked proportions which are just getting worse with every new pose or CG, fucking hell why is the new MC pose so much taller
And yeah, the writing went from VN to actual porn dialogue real quick and it does not make for an enjoyable experience, just really obnoxious and offputting

Oh and let me complain about how they added new poses, clothes and CGs that you either cannot access from the gallery at all or break like coach's suit never going away or the MC's new pose crashing the game when you try and select it
Why would dyne fucking change literally everything about the UI and the way the game works then leave it broken like this it makes me so mad
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 16:59:58 No.1430763
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>>1430628
I'm more worried the MC is just two arms and a head, his lower body and legs disappeared. I would understand if the MC was very skinny and short, but no, the MC is just a big as Harold so his lower body would be showing, this is an error or just lazy.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 17:51:50 No.1430780
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>>1430628
So this is the end of Harold's route it seems.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 18:37:59 No.1430792
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>>1430682
The perspective could use some more work (like the missing lower body) but I thought the proportions in the scenes were actually much better compare to the sprites. No more tiny feet or gigantic hands, and the legs are about the right length as well.

Spoiler

Edited at 2018/05/04 18:41:38
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 19:24:01 No.1430802
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>>1429420

They even, inexplicably, but Darius/Spencer stuff in MC's route with Darius as well. Darius' route doesn't even make sense anymore. It's just a contradictory, repetitive mess. Darius literally makes friends with every one he interacts with, Three people are hung up on him romantically and he says he would want to date (the MCs goal) the cat-lady if she was male. He has more going for him socially then the MC does while the route keeps telling you the opposite.

>Darius admits that he had to hide who he was to get Spencer to spend time with him

What does that even mean? Darius really is just a shallow sex addict or the dog dosen't like piano? Wasn't it the point that no one gets past the sex stuff to see anything else from him? What were they doing then?
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 21:00:00 No.1430832
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>>1430802
Spencer tells the MC that if Darius' normal flirting doesn't get what he wants, he tries out a new act until he gets his target to sleep with him; and says that it was happened with him. Spence talked to Darius for about a week before Darius made his first move, at which time Spence turned him down. The implication is that Darius then proceeded to pretend to be serious about Spencer to trick him into a one-night stand (Spence says he thought they were in a relationship when he almost slept with Darius).

Darius himself tells the MC that because he thinks Spence is a prude, he was willing to do whatever it took "to nail him." As Darius puts it, he showed Spence nothing of himself but his "charming side." You have to read between the lines, but the implication is that he probably acted around Spencer in a manner similar to the way he acts around Maria-i.e., he pretends to be a semi-decent person who isn't obsessed with trying to force himself on any guy unfortunate enough to be in his vicinity.

I really don't understand why Dyne is fixated on fetishizing this nonsense. It's sad- in the beginning I thought he actually cared about having decent writing. This nonsense with Spencer/Darius proves that isn't the case anymore. What has Darius done that would give Spencer reason to trust him? Darius has pulled the same scam on MC he tried to pull on Spencer, continues to sexually harass Spencer, and yet somehow Spencer is suddenly ok with Darius' behavior? The whole plotline is pathetic.

It is especially bad when you consider Spence says his past with Darius happened before they started playing together on the tennis team. Depending on how long Darius has been on the team, there has been months if not years of bad blood between them. Suddenly, all of that vanishes in a couple of days for no reason? The writing in this visual "novel" has turned to total crap.

Edited at 2018/05/04 21:05:34
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Furrynomous 2018/05/04 23:05:57 No.1430877
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>>1430628
im sad there is no option of making it go the otherway around.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/05 02:08:52 No.1430934
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sweet jesus that human MC is so disgusting
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Furrynomous 2018/05/05 03:45:24 No.1430964
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All in all, exceptional update, but there is one glaring flaw needs be adjusted if Dynewulf manage to squeeze out time.

Spoiler

Edited at 2018/05/05 03:48:26
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Furrynomous 2018/05/05 04:49:21 No.1430982
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Hi everyone, could someone post a picture of Harold in a suit without having the interface over it? thank you very much
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Furrynomous 2018/05/05 09:30:44 No.1431069
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>>1430982
In the game his trousers are black but I can't screenshot the game and I also can't be fucked recolouring them
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Vic Venom 2018/05/05 12:34:34 No.1431155
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>>1430628
The eyes might be a little small, it's still nothing compared to the absurd eyes size from most animes.

Considering they're squinting a bit, it doesn't look that distracting to me, sure it's a little smaller than """realistic""", but considering we had to deal with monster truck arms for over 3 years, Spencer's entire body and head shape being as consistent as the quality of modern Sonic games, Tai (just... all about him), and old Dozer's back being so hunched you'd wonder why he didn't have constant back pain, smaller eyes & feet than "normal" is really the least of my worries.

I'm more concerned over the MC's apparent lack of lower body tbh, first time I saw the picture, I thought his head was floating even. From where he is, we should at least see his feet touching the pillow behind him, unless half of his body is off the bed, or he's somehow bending (which I think we should see).

Although I'll say this; it's ironic that some people complain about the writing going full on porn in some passages, when a lot of guys once started this game under the mindset of "Came for the hot characters, stayed for the writing", with art assets made by CM, which pretty much screamed "porn incoming". Granted I haven't played the latest update, but I'm not expecting anything different from first sex scene with Harold or (especially) Dozer.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/05 14:10:31 No.1431180
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>>1431155
Yeah but squinting is just narrowing the eyes, not taking the eye and reducing the size by 50%
"Better than CM" is by no means a high bar and should not be taken as an excuse for awful proportions and lack of consistency
And I came into this liking it in spite of CM's art, the deep plot and throbbing characterisation is what appeals to me in EA
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Furrynomous 2018/05/05 15:40:07 No.1431204
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>>1431180
>Deep plot.

Deep plot.
Hold on.
Are you serious?

You might have mistaken "plot" for "writing", cause the general "plot" of EA is pretty much non-existent.

It's a freaking Slice of Life that's purely a dating sim with no lore.
What's your main character's objective? Main driving force?

Getting a boyfriend. (and even then, for some routes, he doesn't actively pursue, it just sorta happens)
That is it. He doesn't want anything else. He doesn't know what he's doing with his life. The entire "plot" depends on him finding love.
Not even getting out of the shelter.

Sure the other characters have their own life and their own job, likes, dislikes, etc. but... even if you count their routes as plots, how does any of those constitute as "deep"? They're your typical soap operas at best.

Repeat is not really what I would call "deep", but EA makes it look like Silent Hill 2 in comparison.
You can praise EA's writing around characterisation all you want, saying it has a "deep plot" is pretty misguided.

Edited at 2018/05/05 15:54:26
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Furrynomous 2018/05/05 15:58:29 No.1431206
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Yikes, and so begins the downfall of another great novel. It was fun while it lasted.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/05 16:00:53 No.1431207
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>>1431204
I'd assume "deep plot and throbbing characterisation" was meant ironically.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/05 16:15:34 No.1431235
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>>1431207
I'd like to think that too. I just don't see how it'd be ironic in his context.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 13:18:53 No.1431598
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>>1431204

I agree with most of your post, but I think every visual novel has plot AND writing (yes, even Amorous and Lagoon Lounge), and its up to the author to decide what kind of plot they create and what kind of writing they use.
in the EA the plot is kinda, well, "normal" is the right word I guess. like you said, finding a boyfriend is the plot, and everything else (job, housing, friends etc.) is influenced by this plot. yes, its not "deep", like the plot of Blackgate or Echo or Repeat, where you have to think a little and ponder about the situation in order to understand whats going on,
still, the writing of the EA is good, and I think this is what the person you reacted to wanted to say. and that despite this good writing, the art is kinda "meh", for some people, at least. just like the MC being a human AND being visible during conversation (my biggest problem).
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 15:42:09 No.1431650
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>>1431204
No lore? Can you be specific?

'What's your main character's objective? Main driving force?

Getting a boyfriend'

Incorrect, that's we, the player's, main driving force as we know its dating VN and all that. But as for the MC, he wants to finish off college and eventually get out of the homeless shelter. From your post it sounds like you just skipped past everything and went for the scenes.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 19:52:44 No.1431721
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I don't know how I feel about EA anymore.

It started off a goofy lighthearted story with CM's artwork accompanying it, matching how trashy - but fun trashy, it is.

Then Dyne tried to make it a bit more 'serious' in term of narrative and plot and it didn't pay off well - I stopped supporting it on patreon at this point.

Recently subscribed to EA again out of curiosity with CaptainGerBear's art (Great artist) and the writing tone and art don't really mix well at this point in my opinion.

It's a mishmash of trash trying to become serious trash that had a fun, colorful art style that has become 'less exaggerated'. CaptainGerBear did a good job of adapting CM designs and trying to stay true as much as possible - but I do favor what I've experienced while enjoying EA better.

Not sure if the EA final product will ever be done but I'll say this - If Dyne and CaptainGerBear started a new project, I would definitely be interested.

As for sticking around with EA, I'll probably occasionally check in just to see how it's going.

The true horror is we will never get the Darius sex scene in CM style - thatch the real tragedy of this!
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 21:01:42 No.1431758
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I can't believe Im saying this but joky shit I miss cursed marked stuff

The new artist is just terrible
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 21:50:44 No.1431772
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>>1431758
I dont, I belive CM is a good artist, but holy shit the bodies were just to close to being hyper imo
I like Captain's better, but I kinda understand why someone else won't (smaller junk)
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 22:23:50 No.1431780
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Boy, this discussion about which artist is better is going to keep on rolling, huh?

Honestly, I stopped caring about this thread, and I'm looking forward to future updates to this game.

Edited at 2018/05/06 22:24:24
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 23:15:10 No.1431795
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>>1431780
Never really liked cursedmarked's art, too balloony and borderline hyper for my taste. Don't care about artist changes, just wanna know if story things are moving on (last I played it was that update way back where MC spend the day with coach tending the backyard garden or something, I think).
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Furrynomous 2018/05/06 23:46:01 No.1431806
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>>1431772
I dislike the new art style because the characters don't have the same feeling to them as before, especially Spencer, not because they are less sexual.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/07 02:02:49 No.1431848
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>>1431650
MC's objective in the main game isn't really to do that, and at any rate, finishing college is so far away from happening it's irrelevant to the plot, bare as it may be.
If that's really his objective, he doesn't even know whatever he'll do after college, cause he has no specific idea for a job (and proven in any route, he'd take anything really), so before finishing college as an objective, he should probably find whatever type of job he wants after college first.

And if MC was truly that concerned over getting out of the homeless shelter, then he would either:
1- Seek for help
2- Try to get a job
He doesn't really actively do either.

He completely refused to say anything to Spencer for a year, and we never see him actively look for a job in the entire game. And he didn't present his case to the homeless shelter, he got found by the owner.
If he hadn't been found by the homeless shelter, I'd imagine he would have died in the streets or been discovered by any of his friends, before asking for help to Spencer.
At best he's only complaining about "trying", and then somehow gets everything on a silver platter by his boyfriend (or outright forced onto him) in a matter of days.
That's how passive the MC is without player input, he seems to have too much pride/is scared to ask anything out of someone, even (or rather "especially") his absolute best friend, but would gladly bend over backwards when given the offer.

Getting a boyfriend almost instantly gets rid of all his problems, and feels like it's a higher priority in the writing (granted probably because it's more accessible to him in the moment).
And considering how easy and quick (both finding quick AND starting quick) it is for him to get a job when he gets a boyfriend, and all those job offers being highly varied and requesting no experience, you have to wonder what he was doing on his own for an entire year.

TL;DR: if it's his objective to get out of the shelter, he's not working towards it in the story, things just happen to turn into his favor by convenience of having a boyfriend who has ties and an apartment, and they turn so quickly into his favor that it's hard not to think he's been slacking off before.

And don't get me wrong, it doesn't mean that it's bad writing (it does have "human" character justifications, no one's perfect), it's just an easy setup for a love story; main character is at the lowest of lows, and then everything gets brighter/better when he finds love.



And what I meant by "no lore" was simply the universe itself.

It's just our world, but with furries, slightly rewritten pop-culture references, and slight speciest puns & remarks. Nothing would really change if there were just humans in EA (though it's true for many furry VNs).
It doesn't take anything that exists and fleshing it out/putting some fantasy on it for story purpose like Echo, nor does it invent anything on its own like Repeat or Blackgate.
And for as much as I slam it every Monday morning, Blackgate actually has a very good reason to have furries/aliens and humans and have them well incorporated in the universe and story.

Having "no lore" is not an issue at all in it of itself, like for Tennis Ace, it's not at all a criticism.
But that's going back to the "deep plot" thing, cause not only is the plot simple, everything surrounding it is basic.
Sure you can have a deep plot with a basic setting, but EA doesn't have a deep plot, at best it has good writing, and that's what really matters in Slice of Life.

Edited at 2018/05/07 07:08:04
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Furrynomous 2018/05/07 02:29:27 No.1431854
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>>1431806
I agree with that, even though I like CGB art better, I also felt like the characters vibe changed too much with the change, probably because of the expressions, specially from spence and darius, they look way too aggressive now.
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Vic Venom 2018/05/07 03:45:50 No.1431867
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>>1431806
I prefer new Darius, I think his expression is fitting.
Spencer... I think it's not just the artstyle, the transition to profile view makes it feel different. Not bad, but not as inviting. Though that's just his expression, at least he's not crossing his arms anymore.

They're probably not the main facial expressions anyway.
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orcBrazil 2018/05/07 11:31:18 No.1431993
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I wanted see more pictures
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Furrynomous 2018/05/07 13:34:34 No.1432033
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Coach in new update
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Furrynomous 2018/05/09 02:16:14 No.1432773
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i don't care about any of this artist drama but is the new artist the guy who did fantasy football locker stalker?
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Furrynomous 2018/05/09 03:25:44 No.1432788
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>>1432773
Yes.
See also: http://townseed.ca/bigfingers/
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Furrynomous 2018/05/19 01:15:39 No.1437820
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Someone didn't skip neck day
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Furrynomous 2018/05/23 05:36:28 No.1439979
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I might be in the minority, but thank Fuck CM is outta this project. The oversized everything was distracting. Gross overly blown up nipples, tight and unrealistic clothes, grossly huge cocks that were just laughable.
Even thought of photoshopping shit up and throwing it on a board for people who have standards in their smut.

Shit was being massively held back by the amateurish proportions that seemed out of some shitty FA artists puberty fantasies.

This project has CLASS now.
Captain GerBear is the Goat.
Take my money EA!
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Furrynomous 2018/05/23 14:04:02 No.1440259
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>>1439979
>amateurish proportions
>This project has CLASS now.
There's nothing wrong with preferring CGB over CM, but this is just wrong. CM wasn't consistent in the character's portrayal over multiple images, but at least each image in itself had proportions that fit the art style and showed a consistent anatomy. Now with Harold's sex scene out, I can say with certainty that CGB is neither consistent over multiple images, nor in the same image - arms and legs have sometimes even different lengths on the same picture, not to mention the weirdly gnomish proportions overall with the extremities being for some reason very small compared to everything else.

Just because you prefer CGB's art style which uses a more realistic shading (which clashes with the proportions, imo), does not mean it has more class, or that he doesn't have amateurish proportion problems either.
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Furrynomous 2018/05/25 10:40:22 No.1441137
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>>1437820
Why does that face remind me of Shaun White?
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Furrynomous 2018/05/25 21:48:53 No.1441462
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>>1440259
Is it a sin to like both? I prefer CM but I like both artists and think CGB is doing a great job continuing with this project
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Furrynomous 2018/06/02 06:08:58 No.1445527
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Do you guys know how to get all the different scenes in the last Darius update? I don't know if I got the best one or not.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/02 09:19:06 No.1445568
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>>1445527

Which did you get?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/02 15:28:47 No.1445706
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>>1445568
Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/06/02 20:46:56 No.1445797
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>>1445706

Ah

Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/06/03 00:59:29 No.1445872
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>>1445797
Oh yeah I got that one too
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Furrynomous 2018/06/03 06:25:18 No.1445940
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Hey guys!

The last build I played was v1.37
Could you guys please be so kind and tell what's been happening until the now recent v1.59?
I'm only interested in specifically which characters finally got a sex scene(s) and if top or bottom.
Would be very sweet of you if you could share this info
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Furrynomous 2018/06/03 06:37:59 No.1445943
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>>1445940

Umm as in literal fucking? Just two atm Coach and Spencer.

You either top or bottom to Spencer depending on your choices and Coach lets you have the first go.

......Also wtf is with the armless furry chicks swinging boobs advert?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/03 07:50:03 No.1445954
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>>1445943
>and Coach lets you have the first go
meaning?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/03 08:51:22 No.1445975
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>>1445943

may i know the choices to be bottom with Spencer?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/03 09:10:45 No.1445981
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is Harold top or bottom?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/03 09:24:40 No.1445983
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>>1445975
Follow the official guide and choose any choices that may give low MC confidence. GL
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pZFkZ9mvQ1-rJ0qB3eqO7JnU_NT09IqCc6bM_OuUmI4/edit

>>1445981
Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/06/04 03:04:07 No.1446343
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>>1445943
Well Spoiler

Edited at 2018/06/04 03:04:34
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Furrynomous 2018/06/04 04:14:32 No.1446369
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why's everybody so vague about something so simple?
just state it outright: Harold only bottoms
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Furrynomous 2018/06/04 04:23:08 No.1446371
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>>1446369
Because people are trying to keep it spoiler-free, cunt.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/04 05:02:46 No.1446389
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>>1446371
oh how lovely,
looks like you didn't grasp the context at all
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Furrynomous 2018/06/04 17:47:04 No.1446593
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I know a few people must have noticed this but I just had a moment of realization, Darius and Spencer are ying and yang, both are opposites of each other, the super perverted cat and the perfect virgin dog. It all makes sense, two sides of the same coin.
Edit: also forgot to mention, as you spend time and learn about them you notice that Darius has a sophisticated side and Spencer has a perverted side. Both of them have more in common than they know, wouldn't be surprised while the MC is pursuing a different dating route you get hints that both Darius and Spencer reconciled and started to date.

Edited at 2018/06/04 20:40:52
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Furrynomous 2018/06/04 17:59:45 No.1446598
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Wait hold on why is the errors/typos google doc 132 pages long
Why doesn't he just fix the typos
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Furrynomous 2018/06/04 18:06:08 No.1446604
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I have to admit that I don't like Darius' romance scene, he was the last one to get a romance scene and it was really underwhelming and boring. Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/06/04 18:13:07 No.1446605
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>>1446604
It's a huuuuuge start actually, considering Darius.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/04 20:03:21 No.1446695
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>>1446593
That's why the TV Tropes page has them listed as "foils".
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Furrynomous 2018/06/05 00:26:40 No.1446827
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>>1446593

I disagree about them dating again, it just doesn't make sense.

When telling you about dating Darius, Spencer mentions that he turned Darius down the 1st time Darius tried to sleep with him, and that he told Darius how he felt about it. Spencer also mentions that he thought they were in a relationship when he was going to go through with it. Darius in turn tells the MC that because he thought Spencer was a prude, he was willing to do whatever he had to do to nail him.

People seem to act like the conflict between Darius and Spencer is simply due to Spencer disapproving of Darius being promiscuous. It isn't. The 1st time Spencer turned him down, Darius could have simply moved on to sleep with one of his fuck buddies and left Spencer alone. Instead, he led Spencer to believe they were in a relationship, just so he could nail him. Why would Spencer reconcile and give him another chance? Darius already proved that his word can't be trusted and that he is even willing to pretend to be in a relationship just to get in someone's pants. Having been burned by Darius already this way, why would Spencer give him the opportunity to do it again? What has Darius done that would give Spencer a reason to think this time Darius was sincere about wanting a relationship when he lied about it in the past? Answer: Nothing.

Edited at 2018/06/05 00:36:25
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Furrynomous 2018/06/05 06:59:27 No.1446949
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>>1446827
I only got the idea of them dating in the background based on Darius' route, there seem to be some sexual tension between the two. Spoiler

Edited at 2018/06/05 07:00:21
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Furrynomous 2018/06/05 09:48:14 No.1446987
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>>1446827
For this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DieForOurShip
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Furrynomous 2018/06/05 13:20:37 No.1447051
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>>1446949
Haven't played that, i started losing interest in Darius' route long ago (I think day 12?) when I had a scene in which Darius kissed my MC, I pushed him away, and Darius then forced himself back on my MC. MC then went back to his room and worried how he would resist sleeping with Darius because he was so "irresistible." Haven't seen much to change my opinion, so I have been very sporadic about doing his updates.

I may get flak for this, but I think Dyne has tendency to shoehorn characters into scenarios he wants, regardless of whether it works for who the character is. It is the main reason I have been losing interest in the VN overall. He just doesn't seem to be concerned about portraying them consistently and having reasons for why they change their minds.

Examples:

>>1429143
It seems that Spencer is starting to show signs of being jealous Dozer, that would make total sense since Spencer is the only love interest whose feelings for MC predate the time period of the game. He also seems jealous in Darius' route. In Grifter's route, however, Spencer shows no jealousy of the MC's relationship. On the contrary, IIRC, he is the one who gives MC coach's address and encourages him in the relationship. Hardly the actions of someone who can't stand seeing another man touch MC, which is how Spencer describes himself in his own route.


Spoiler

For that matter, consider the "friendship" between Spencer and MC. Ignore the lines where they narrate that they are best friends; if you only go by how they interact, how many people would honestly think they are friends much less best friends?

If you knew your best friend was getting involved with someone who couldn't be trusted, would you really settle for making vague warnings that could easily be dismissed like Spencer does in Darius' route? What kind of "best friend" doesn't take MC aside, swallow his pride, and tell him the whole story even if Spencer was embarrassed to have been taken in by Darius?

For that matter, after hearing Darius' admission he was only trying to nail Spencer, what kind of "best friend" is the MC to Spencer? Not only does MC not read Darius the riot act or beat him up, he instead rewards Darius by badgering Spencer to give him another chance? What kind of "friend" chooses the guy they have only hung out with a couple of times over the supposed best friend he grew up with? Even in Spencer's route, MC doesn't take Spencer's side when he get in arguments with Darius, even though 1) Spencer is supposedly his best friend and now boyfriend he claims to love and 2) the arguments usually happen because Darius deliberately antagonizes Spencer when Spence tells him to mind his own business. Dyne claims Spencer and MC are best friends, but they really don't show any loyalty to each other or have each others' backs.

>>1446987
Not sure what you are getting at here. If you are accusing me of dying for my ship, I disagree. Again, Darius was the one who pretended to be in a relationship with Spencer just to get in his pants the first time. What do you suggest I missed that would give Spencer an actual reason to trust Darius again? What does Darius actually do that would convince Spencer this time he isn't just looking to try to trick him into a 1-night stand again? There is a reason for the old saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." What has Darius done that would give Spencer a reason to believe he has changed? Especially considering that, outside of Darius' route, they no longer have the MC pushing Spencer to give Darius another chance.

Honestly, I'm not even into Spencer that much anymore. As the VN progresses, Spencer gets harder and harder to like. His relationship with the MC is full of double standards. He can tease MC, but MC can't tease him or Spence throws a tantrum like a toddler. He doesn't like other people flirting with MC, but expects MC to put up with other people flirting with him (and not just at his job, Spencer was eating it up when Esperenza the dance instructor was complimenting is strong arms and his ass-I mean hips- in front of MC).


Worst of all, early on Spence lectures MC not to keep secrets, but as the story progresses he is still doing it. He hid his job as a stripper, hid the fact that he was gay/had feelings for MC, tried to hide the fact he was having doubts about moving in together, and Spoiler. On top of that, he lies a lot. The first night at D. Springs, he will admit he lied about being a stripper if you apologize. On the cafe date, Spoiler-another lie. He also pulled a classic Bait and Switch. Initially, he tells MC his cock is off limits at his job, and that it is a line he won't cross. He repeats several times that he will not take his shows any further than he already does. It is only after he feels like he may have hooked the MC that he pulls the switch, and starts trying to get the MC to be ok with him doing private shows and going further with his customers. I mentioned above that Darius openly admits he would do anything to nail Spencer because he is a prude. Disappointedly, the game has made it pretty clear that statement is also a perfect summary of Spencer's attitude towards the MC. Whatever lie he has to tell or secret he has to keep, he will do it to try to trick the MC into giving him what he wants.

Edited at 2018/06/05 16:24:45
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Wulfy 2018/06/05 15:18:27 No.1447085
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>>1447051
I wrote something before with my list of issues with this game when it was on discussion, but I think your phrasing is better and point of issues is more complete.

However, I just decided to say fuck it (kind of) and gave up on the deserved criticism because it wouldn't help and isolated, each route is kind of fine on its own.

I agree with your problems but gave up on worrying about it is all I'm saying.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/05 16:59:53 No.1447131
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Can someone share an updated guide for Dozer? or at least up until day 17?
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Furrynomous 2018/06/05 20:45:57 No.1447282
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>>1447131

Dozer's route is the simplest, he's easy to read and please. Even his sex scene is just a matter of whether you want it or not.

Just get on his good side and agree with whatever he comes up with and says, and don't lie. There, done.
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FFGBYNHN Emiliano Alonso 2018/06/24 03:44:54 No.1456538
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H5BRETGRBRBJEN
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 04:17:12 No.1456545
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>>1447051
you're forgetting that each route is its own universe. the routes themselves don't have to co-exist with another
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 05:49:36 No.1456559
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>>1456545
That just means that events that happen in one route don't always happen in the other routes (i.e. Darius doesn't have a tennis match on Day 5.) The character portrayals should still be consistent across all the routes imo.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 06:07:17 No.1456571
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>>1456545
A poor excuse for lazy, piss-poor writing. Every route starts on the same day in the same universe. The routes only diverge from one another based on the player's choices starting on Day 1. Prior to that 1st choice, there is no Spencer's route, Chester's route, etc; there is only the shared universe of Day 1 that all routes start in. The history leading up to day 1 should therefore always be the same because technically there is only 1 route until you make that first choice.

You also conveniently ignore the fact that Dyne doesn't write characters consistently within a single route. As I noted above, in Darius' route Dyne claims Spencer and MC are supposed to be best friends, but then refuses to have them act like it because the whole route would fall apart if they did. A real best friend would not keep the truth about Darius quiet like Spencer did; rather he would tell MC what happened to warn him. A true best friend would not badger Spencer to spend more time with Darius after learning the truth like MC does; rather a true best friend would have nothing to do with Darius after learning how he tried to use Spencer (and optionally would beat the crap out of Darius while kicking him out of the shelter). True best friends are loyal and have each others' backs. Dyne, however, refuses to write Spencer and MC as being loyal to one another. MC can't even be bothered to show the slightest loyalty to Spencer in Spencer's own route.

>>1456559
Agreed. No matter which route you are on, the personalities of the characters should be the same. Otherwise, they aren't even characters. They are just props in which case Dyne should just stick to writing stand-alone sex scenes and not try to tell any stories.

Edited at 2018/06/24 06:24:00
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Anon 2018/06/24 07:45:04 No.1456604
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>>1456571
Hm? The writing of that novel is bad? Why so?..
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 08:45:14 No.1456617
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>>1456571

Its true they're supposed to be best friends but they haven't really been talking to each other outside of tennis practice since they started college. Spencer has his own secrets and issues, he's not exactly ready n open with them; recall that he went and lectured the MC about keeping secrets when he found out about him being homeless and then the MC discovers his dance class and then further his stripping job. Hell its thanks to Darius that they hook up in the first place.
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coyote 2018/06/24 09:59:09 No.1456646
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i dunno if its just me but having tennis be the sport they all play seems a bit of an odd choice
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 10:38:31 No.1456667
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I hope you can have threesomes.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 13:12:35 No.1456763
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>>1456617
The whole idea of Darius being responsible for them hooking up? More ridiculousness written by Dyne to try to pretend Darius isn't useless in the VN.

By the time the locker room incident occurs, not only does MC know about Spencer's job, but Spencer knows 1) that MC is interested in men and 2) that MC is attracted to him specifically. In the car on the ride home from D. Spring that first night, MC (paraphrasing here) comments on how he can see why Spence makes so much $$. When Spencer tries to get MC to be more specific (i.e., flat out say he is hot), MC complains that Spence is making the conversation hard for him. Spence responds that making things hard for MC is apparently something he is good at, referencing the fact that MC got an erection watching Spencer strip. Yes he is nervous during the locker room talk, but emotions were running high because of Darius' prank and he and the MC started off arguing. It really makes no sense though to claim that, now knowing MC is attracted to him, Spencer wouldn't make a move on the guy he has been crushing over for years without Darius' intervention.

Also, even though they haven't been hanging out, they still claim to consider each other best friends. The idea that MC would choose Darius, who he has only hung out with a couple of times, over Spencer, who is supposedly his best friend, is, frankly, stupid. Especially when you consider that 1) Darius lied repeatedly to MC during that time (not just about his hookup, he also pretended to not know why Spencer doesn't like him) and 2) Darius is solely to blame for their conflict-Spencer's sole "crime" was that he didn't want to have casual sex with Darius, and 3) Spencer is not just a recent friend, they grew up together. To be blunt, anyone who would choose Darius in that scenario isn't really Spencer's friend, and Spencer would rightfully maintain his distance from the MC/Darius disaster afterward. You can't have it both ways and say Spencer and MC are so distant that Spence wouldn't intervene to help/protect his friend, but at the same time are so close that Spencer will give a 2nd chance to Darius, the guy who pretended to be in a relationship with him just to try to trick him into a 1 night stand, because MC badgers him to.

Also, with respect to Spencer, in one of the more recent updates he admits that he wanted to hang out with MC during that period, but didn't because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to control his feelings. There was no time he didn't consider the MC his best friend, nor did he ever stop caring about him. It really makes no sense to claim that he wouldn't step in to try to protect the friend he was crushing on.

Edited at 2018/06/24 20:03:57
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 15:37:01 No.1456822
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>>1456545
Further evidence that the routes aren't entirely separate universes- I was wrong when I said they diverge based on your choices on Day 1.

The divergence actually doesn't start until later. You aren't locked into anything based on your initial choice of partner. I initially chose Chester, but then for the rest of day 1 I made choices to lower my score with him. On day 2, I went looking for Spence and maxed his like points. End result: I ended up on Spencer's route starting on day 3. Days 1 and 2 appear to be a single time/universe that then diverges into the separate routes/universes depending on who you have built up Like points with. Therefore, as day 1 is constant, everything prior to it should be the same in every route.

Edited at 2018/06/24 15:38:43
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Halp 2018/06/24 17:11:34 No.1456849
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Are there any guides to get to the scenes? Thanks :)
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 18:43:14 No.1456888
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>>1456849
official guides (very outdated)
https://www.patreon.com/posts/guide-updates-11871696

player made guides (covers most patreon versions i think...)
>>1422387
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 21:00:11 No.1456925
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>>1446369
That's what makes the most sense
Spoiler

Edited at 2018/06/24 21:08:24
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Furrynomous 2018/06/24 21:51:47 No.1456946
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>>1456763

'2) Darius is solely to blame for their conflict-Spencer's sole "crime" was that he didn't want to have casual sex with Darius'

This is how I know you haven't bothered with Darius' route and this is all an 'I hate Darius, nothing you can say otherwise' thing.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/25 03:00:25 No.1457088
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>>1456946
Translation: You don't actually have a counter-argument other than "I like Darius", so you ignore opinions based on the actual text of the game that put Darius in negative light.

Taken directly from Day 8 of Darius' route:

MC: Spencer told me what happened between the two of you. You treated him close to how you've treated me. And all of it was a plan... No it was all just a game for you, to see if you could sleep with me because I'm not as willing as your other fuckbuddies. Well screw that, it's not what I want!

Darius: Woah, woah chill out there. You and Spencer are two completely different situations. I guess Spencer's right about what happened with him, though. He was such a prude, I was willing to do whatever I could to nail him, but that plan was cut short thanks to Isaac.

Darius openly admits he planned (i.e., everything he did was deliberate/intentional) to try to trick his way into Spencer's pants because Spencer was "such a prude". It doesn't matter what Dyne might write later to try to retroactively make Spencer to blame; nothing justifies Darius' actions. Spencer can insult him, judge him, whatever-it doesn't matter. The conflict originates from Darius' decision to not respect the fact that Spencer had the right to say no to casual sex; the conflict is therefore 100% Darius's fault.

Darius could have simply left Spencer alone after Spence's 1st refusal and hooked up with one of his fuckbuddies, or gone to a club/bar/whatever and met someone new who was also interested in casual sex. If he had, I would agree that Spencer shared blame for their conflict. Hell, if that had happened Spencer would probably have been the one to be most responsible for it, as Spencer is extremely judgmental of Darius over something that 1) is none of his business and 2) is as trivial as casual sex between 2 consenting adults (As an aside, that is yet another reason why Spence/Darius really doesn't make sense IMO as happening in other routes. If you were Darius, would you really want to be with someone who so openly looks down on you?). Instead Darius chose to try to trick Spence into doing something he knew Spence didn't want to do.

ETA: Also, with regards to blaming Spencer, remember that on day 8 he also admits that he would have slept with Darius that night if Isaac hadn't interrupted them. Yes in the present Spencer judges Darius and thinks he is a deviant and a sexual predator, but be serious. Are you really going to try to argue that Spencer would have been willing to sleep with Darius if he thought that at the time of the incident in Darius' private room? Of course he wouldn't have. The worst opinions Spencer has about Darius all are the direct result of Darius' decision to, as he admitted on day 8, play games with Spencer to try to trick him into bed.

And frankly, that fits perfectly with Darius' personality. I played up to Darius being in the hospital, but stopped because I got tired of Darius' nonsense. The constant forcing himself on/groping of a "friend" even if you told him that sex was something special for 2 people to share and weren't interested in casual sex. The insulting nonsense that he'll keep his hands off MC out of respect for Maria, but he won't keep them to himself out of respect for MC. The insistence on dragging sex into everything (he really can't come up with any non-sexual stakes for the bet? i.e. making it something embarrassing like MC would have to show up at the team's first match wearing a girl's tennis skirt, for example). After the night out with Maria, when I chose to push Darius away when he kissed MC he just forced himself back on the MC, stating he was going to use MC for some release since he couldn't have sex (I won the bet). Darius is a college-age male; guaranteed that if he needs release he knows how to get it by jacking off. No need to force anything on someone who just clearly showed he didn't want to be kissed.

For that matter, the 1st time at the shelter if you say you don't trust him enough to stay at his place, he starts accusing the MC of being controlled by Spencer and says if MC wasn't he would fool around with Darius to prove it. Note that this happens very early in Darius' route, before there is even any chance to score Love points with him (I think day 5? It is the day before he takes MC to the studio the 1st time IIRC). You don't even need a particularly high number of Like points for this response, IIRC. So it isn't as if Darius has strong feelings for MC here. In accusing Spencer of controlling MC, Darius show he is even willing to try to drive a wedge between 2 friends. And why he is doing it? Because the MC won't sleep with him.

What I find disappointing is that Darius didn't have to be that way. Early on, there is a scene where Darius puts his arm around MC and starts rubbing his shoulder. If you told him to stop, he stopped (yes he acted like it shouldn't be a big deal IIRC, but he still respected MC's right to say no). There also still could have been conflict between Spencer and Darius based on their different values re: sex even if Darius had respected Spencer's 1st refusal to sleep with him and not gone on to try to "nail the prude". But for some reason that shoulder rubbing scene was the only time Darius was shown as respecting someone's right to refuse his advances; the rest of the time Darius is constantly acting as though no one has the right to say no to him.

Edited at 2018/06/25 17:31:33
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question 2018/06/26 14:34:15 No.1457811
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Hey guys! Does darius alredy have a sex scene or nope? Thanks!
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Furrynomous 2018/06/26 16:53:19 No.1457853
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>>1457811
Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/06/26 18:11:57 No.1457910
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Dynewulf posted v 1.59 days ago. He sais in his twitter. If you go to patreon says demo v 1.58. But in Itchio it is the v 1.59 . I think it was cause' the last demo had many errors and the next version he fixed
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Furrynomous 2018/06/30 03:56:29 No.1459562
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Holy shit, fuck any reservations i had regarding CGB's artwork, this is a real step up and i fucking love it.
cursedmarked who? i don't know her.
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Vic Venom 2018/06/30 13:10:17 No.1459700
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>>1459562
Never noticed it before when playing the Patreon update, but holy shit the MC has amazing stability considering his stance and him holding onto nothing (unless Spencer's leg counts).
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Furrynomous 2018/06/30 13:18:50 No.1459702
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>>1459700

prolly the belt attached to the pole helping while some of his weights on Spencer's leg
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Furrynomous 2018/06/30 13:19:09 No.1459703
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>>1459700
The belt is tied around the pole that keeps him from falling
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>>1459702
>>1459703
Oh, haha, me dumb.

Edited at 2018/06/30 13:40:39
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Furrynomous 2018/06/30 14:40:12 No.1459723
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>>1459562
I cancelled my sub after CM left. The new artist is just complete shit.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/30 15:05:04 No.1459730
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>>1459723
I don't miss CM.
His initial art was decent/good, but having a Spencer that has no neck and changing facial structure everytime he's shown at a different angle isn't my cup of tea.

I mean you just have to see CM's title screen and CM's sprite of Spencer to notice there's something wrong.
Dun even need to bring up the Dakimakura disaster. CM's art only looked good on the surface, at a superficial level.

CGB isn't always on point, but there's a difference between being slightly off-model sometimes, and drawing a different character than intended, borderline fan art.

There's little discipline and interest in cohesion in CM's art, in fact there's little interest period.
Why did we never get new poses and angles from CM after 3 years and a half, and CGB already gives that after only a few months since he was involved?
Maybe CM's sprites were more "lighthearted", but his efforts themselves were halfhearted. CGB definitely puts more heart into his work, it's no contest at all.
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Furrynomous 2018/06/30 16:02:31 No.1459737
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>>1459730
Yes CM had a lot of consistency issue, but had great color that made the models move lively and pleasing. And CGB is great with anatomy even though he defaults to top heavy men with skinny legs, the main issue I have is that his colors are bland and boring, and the highlights are just lazily added in, he uses a lot of de-saturated colors while the background is more colorful. Also the sex scene poses are so boring and static.
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A Random Tanuki 2018/06/30 16:08:57 No.1459744
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>>1459737
I second this
Surely CM has a lot of issues but it never be boring, while CGB is just a same thing over and over
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New version Furrynomous 2018/07/01 03:26:26 No.1460019
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Hey, does anybody have the link to the newer version of the game with Spencer's route updated?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/01 10:52:40 No.1460240
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>>1459562

I don't understand the "off model" argument. What CM is great at is capturing the feeling of the scene. Spencer looks "off model" because he is representing something more than anatomy. CM excels at drawing gorgeously buff furs, and I have the biggest crush on Spencer because of his art.

CGB is the polar opposite. He is, technically, a very good artist - so far as maintaining anatomy and what-not. What he can't do is capture any feeling in his work. It's so emotionally sanitary that it's jarringly grotesque to me. I agree with everything >>1459737 said.

Like I said, I had to cancel my subscription because CGB damn-near ruined everything for me. Like I said, I've got a huge crush on Spencer and I couldn't even go back to play the pre-CGB version of the game because he wrecked all interest I had in it. Not to be too dramatic, but it's like if you saw someone take a dump on a plate of your favourite food. You're just going to have that scene in your head any time you try to go back and eat that food again. It's a shame, too, because Dynewulf's writing and story structure is fantastic. I'd love to keep supporting it, but my disgust with CGB's art is too strong.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/01 13:30:54 No.1460308
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>>1460240

That is pretty dramatic lol.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/01 20:50:11 No.1460430
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I don't think CGB is the master of anatomy and angle either, just few updates ago we get this for Dozer. And that was a bit of a let down.
>>1459562
but hot damn the pic with Spencer is great and a big improvement compare to CGB's take on Dozer and Harold. It's stylish, the postures are great and the characters just look vibrant and sexy. The grin Spencer has here is so much better than the one in his sprite. I didn't play Spencer route before because I like thicker characters but this scene made me changed my mind.

Edited at 2018/07/01 20:52:03
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Furrynomous 2018/07/02 10:35:49 No.1460668
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Mo' updates needed

Edited at 2018/07/02 10:37:37
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Furrynomous 2018/07/02 11:10:32 No.1460674
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>>1460430

I was trying to be nice about CBG, but I honestly think he sucks. He's a children's-storybook level artist at best.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/02 13:06:58 No.1460699
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>>1460430
I think the difference is that Spencer's CG is not a sex scene, just like Darius' frotting CG is not a sex scene so it's less customization on those scenes. But sex scenes like Harold and Dozer have more custom pieces so they need an angle to show all the parts which makes the scene and pose boring and dull, there is no excitement or eyecandy. They kinda shot themselves on the foot with making the sex scenes customizable since it would be difficult with different poses and close-ups.

Edited at 2018/07/02 13:22:08
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Furrynomous 2018/07/02 21:38:59 No.1460834
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>>1460240
Love really is skin deep
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Furrynomous 2018/07/03 00:40:29 No.1460895
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>>1460699
That's not necessarily CGB's fault there.
Dyne made some sex scenes "uncustomisable" with CM, like Spencer's second sex scene, and I'd argue with its panel format it was much lazier than CM's other sex scenes.
(unless the 3 different choices count, but they don't change anything visually, and they only decide if it's prematurally over or not)

In the end, Dyne has the final say and decides whether a scene is "customisable" (I think the word you're looking for is "interactive") or not.
CGB and CM are/were just told what to draw, they don't code or write sex scenes.

Edited at 2018/07/03 00:50:45
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Furrynomous 2018/07/03 03:48:23 No.1460927
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>>1460240
No, Spencer looks off-model, because that's what he is: off-model. I do agree with you that CGB's art can feel lifeless, sometimes. But, you can have art that's filled with emotion and has characters with more consistent proportions. The two things aren't mutually exclusive
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Furrynomous 2018/07/03 06:43:06 No.1460981
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>>1460895
True, I hated the panel format it was awful, I think Dyne got that idea from another visual novel. While Dyne does have the final say, the artist still has control of how he draws and I know CGB can draw well, I just feel there is little effort being used here.

>>1460927
I will say CGB art is not bad, his color just need improvement and slight anatomy practice. What I can guess is he must have color picked from the original sprites which is usually not a good idea, also the use of a soft brush while the original had some sharp cel-like shading does make a difference.
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Extracurricular activities Furrynomous 2018/07/03 11:26:10 No.1461039
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Does anybody know, where I can download the newest update for the game with the new graphics? As well as the updated Spencer's route.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/10 03:12:04 No.1464542
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So can we eat Chester's ass yet
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Furrynomous 2018/07/10 05:43:14 No.1464569
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remember when this thread talk about story, possibility outcome, etc?

CGB replaced CM, deal with it, stop whining, at least CGB consistent with his art unlike CM, if you like some colorful art like CM, just play another vn
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Furrynomous 2018/07/10 05:46:34 No.1464570
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so uhhh, anyone know what app Captain GerBear use to draw? i tried asking but he never answers...
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Furrynomous 2018/07/10 10:56:42 No.1464657
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>>1464570
Clip Studio Paint/Manga Studio, that's what he uses to draw.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/10 14:53:40 No.1464735
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>>1464569
>at least CGB consistent with his art

In CGB's art, Dozer's arms somehow get smaller when he flexes them.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/10 16:58:40 No.1464770
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>>1464569
You are correct, but I think while CM did have a hard time keeping consistent most of what he made was great.
CGB might be consistent, but whats the benefit of a consistency of dis-proportioned, soulless, not-stocky-but-not-fat-yet-not-muscly art?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/16 21:28:40 No.1467564
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Harold has a crazy ex wife that won't hesitate to attack you.
Chester was almost raped and MC too thanks to a crazy ex pal.
Darius got Almost murdered for being a slut
Dozer has a manipulative ex who is his ''best friend'' and compares the mc to him a lot and Spencer questions you on why Dozer and not him.

Is there a drama free route in this game?

I guess asking that to the furries its 2 much
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Furrynomous 2018/07/17 23:52:27 No.1468033
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>>1467564
It's soap-opera writing, and to be expected for these work-in-progress VNs.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/18 00:41:53 No.1468046
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>>1467564
Nah, almost every VN has drama in it. You're also forgetting Dozer's daddy issues as well. Out of all of the drama in the game's routes, Dozer's subplot with his friend harvey feels well written. To me at least.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/18 01:02:36 No.1468054
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>>1468046
Would people be interested in a drama free VN? or just fetish filled?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/18 01:20:45 No.1468056
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>>1468054

what the fuck would a "drama free" VN even be like? is there even a point?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/18 01:31:54 No.1468059
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>>1468054
>"drama free VN"
That's a broad description, but I do think a lot of VNs could benefit from putting drama on the back-burner and putting an interesting plot/setting first.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/18 02:08:40 No.1468061
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Out of all the VNs i played, i can't really think of one that is drama free.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/18 06:16:39 No.1468117
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>>1468056
Exactly, it needs some conflict to make it both interesting and believable. If nothing every happened then it would just be stale or boring.
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MC Furrynomous 2018/07/18 18:23:22 No.1468509
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Does his face look better now?
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Extracurricular activities Furrynomous 2018/07/18 23:38:45 No.1468617
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Does anybody have the newest update link to the game?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/19 00:08:39 No.1468622
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>>1468617
you're better off skipping this one, No one's routes got any story updates. Only sprite overhaul for earlier days, and some bug fixes.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/19 15:05:41 No.1468831
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>>1468509
>Does his face look better now?
I literally wrote a patcher to get rid of any of MC's sprites from the game, so it shouldn't be hard to guess my opinion on the matter.

And no, the new face (is that part of the new update? I barely see any difference tbh) still doesn't deter me from pressing that button to banish it to the nether realms.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/19 17:20:30 No.1468905
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>>1468509
Kind of, it has been smoothed out and the saggy state has been fixed up. Still has the "California Dude" look that I am not fond of, but whatever.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/19 18:13:06 No.1468917
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>>1468831

>MC's sprite removal patcher

Wuuuut me want. Share plz

Edited at 2018/07/19 18:13:25
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Furrynomous 2018/07/19 19:22:53 No.1468938
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>>1468831
I want to edit the sprite and see if it works, just gotta draw piece by piece.
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Bertran 2018/07/21 06:22:33 No.1469524
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Interesting, what happened, that CursedMarked quit the project? Unfortunately, I really don't like the new art. Absolutely. That's really sad.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/21 07:29:38 No.1469559
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Success! I did a quick test to see if you can edit the sprites I drew a fast quick shirt to put on the MC by replacing an existing sprite, and it works. The sprites can be edited just need to keep them in the position they're in. It's time consuming since it has a lot of pieces, but I can't wait to test out how far I can take it!
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Bruni 2018/07/22 09:47:07 No.1469987
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So, Richard already have a route, Can someone guide me?
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Updates. Furrynomous 2018/07/22 13:32:26 No.1470037
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Does anybody have the link to the newest update for the game?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/22 17:16:26 No.1470093
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>>1469524
I don't think anyone knows really. It seemed they were working on the side project IDEKA and hints of issues with the game were being mentioned. Following this IDEKA was declared dead, but it wasn't entirely clear why. It seemed the blame went to being overambitious but it is unclear if there was already issues between CM and Dynewulf.

Then effectively over the next few weeks the message was in summary "CM is leaving, project a little delayed but dont worry I already have a new artist lines up". There was no mention as to why CM left, many people gave a whole bunch of speculation. Dyne just used the simple "undefined-but-unresolvable-issue-but-we-are-still-friends" line, and as far as I can tell CM didn't even really talk about it. It was also odd how it seemed CGB was almost waiting in the wings and joined on very shortly after CM left.

In all it seemed there was a long issue, so much so that Dyne was already checking with CGB if he would be around. Likeliest reason seemed to be CM delaying works for EA to make commissions. This was probably going on for a bit so Dyne effectively got a backup plan, and used IDEKA as the make or break. When IDEKA failed, he likely told CM to speed up or quit, and CM (an already successful artist) just decided to walk. All of this is speculation but that was seems most reasonable.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/23 16:15:03 No.1470543
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what's new with route 1.62 ? i hear there's Richard route? is that true? if yes, how many days?
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option to bottom Poppinbubles 2018/07/24 20:27:01 No.1471100
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itd be great if it gave you the option for each one relationship to pick and choose if you want to top or bottom.
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Furrynomous 2018/07/24 23:22:06 No.1471164
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I miss cursed marked stuff

The new artist is just terrible and the new lewd scenes lack imagination
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Furrynomous 2018/07/25 03:08:59 No.1471250
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>>1471164

Cause the scenes prior to the artist change were all original and never seen anywhere else before. /eyeroll

Edited at 2018/07/25 03:09:19
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Furrynomous 2018/07/25 18:20:23 No.1471525
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>>1468917
Sure, though unfortunately, it's not as simple to setup for the first time as clicking an exe file (since I'm a lazy cunt), but since I have nothing better to do, I wrote a short tutorial in what you need to if you want to be free of pain and suffering (I wrote it assuming you have no programming-knowledge):

https://pastebin.com/yRnJFMUF

It's basically extracting all the files in the game, going into the MC folder, replacing all the MC's pictures with the empty.png renamed properly, and then put back into an rpa. The script will ask you whether you'd like to delete the duplicated, extracted contents (just say yes, unless you'd like to see the CGs).

Any other release, just replace the gamePath as before and execute the batch. That's it.

It seems like a little overkill and there's probably a more elegant way to do it, but seriously, just the fact that this could be implemented in the game already so easily was (and still is) pissing me of enough that I couldn't keep the autistic side of me in check.

Edited at 2018/07/25 18:23:08
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Furrynomous 2018/07/26 01:11:34 No.1471616
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>>1471525

Oh, I already knew how to extract the archive.rpa file by using Python. I hope doing the rest should not be complicated then, I'll reply here if I found any problem. Thanks a lot, by the way! XD
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Furrynomous 2018/07/26 02:44:31 No.1471634
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anyone got 1.62 link?
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Furrynomous 2018/07/26 15:51:26 No.1471906
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I miss old spencer's art a lot
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Furrynomous 2018/07/26 17:06:02 No.1471927
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I'm just waiting for someone to get a new damn route already, it's been like 3-4 fucking years
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Furrynomous 2018/07/27 00:48:03 No.1472033
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>>1471927
The only other person who is getting a route is richard, but he's not implemented yet cause dyne wants to finish a few routes before throwing richard in.

Honestly i think it's better this way so he doesn't overwhelm himself with trying to keep up to everyone's demands on which route gets updated next *looks at blackgate*
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Furrynomous 2018/07/27 04:34:06 No.1472078
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>>1468831

YES please share, that should just be a default option to begin with
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Furrynomous 2018/07/27 07:05:57 No.1472101
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>>1472078

He's done just that. Here
>>1471525
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Furrynomous 2018/08/01 17:11:25 No.1474398
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1.63 already out, any exciting scene or is that just some normal day?
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Furrynomous 2018/08/04 09:54:19 No.1475511
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God forbid the characters look attractive at any point whatsoever
Gott strafe Deutschland
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Furrynomous 2018/08/06 04:39:02 No.1476351
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>>1475511
wait what, how to get this?
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Furrynomous 2018/08/07 11:50:30 No.1476953
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>>1475511
Eww, Steven Universe face!
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Furrynomous 2018/08/07 17:08:01 No.1477027
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>>1476953
Those are suppose to be duck lips, way before steven universe.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/09 04:58:51 No.1477644
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>>1474398

I found it very exciting, Spoiler
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Furrynomous 2018/08/19 19:28:23 No.1482902
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Anything good in the new update?
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Furrynomous 2018/08/20 00:13:01 No.1483069
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>>1482910
Meh. His new design is terrible, looks like a recolor of Spencer now. Man, this game has been really letting down, to further prove look how inactive this place is now than it was months ago.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/20 01:39:59 No.1483081
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>>1483069

imo i thought it was comments like these that drove people away from wanting to discuss if the above posts were indication

also after looking up bam's reference sheet this new version is more true to his design *shrug*

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/20376208/

Edited at 2018/08/20 10:20:22
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Vic Venom 2018/08/20 04:26:17 No.1483117
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>>1483081
Pretty much, people seem to be too outraged to see past the art change.
It seems like it's what all the thread is about now.

It's not as if there was nothing to talk about, this update for Spencer was pretty eventful, if only for the serious talk between Spencer & Darius, and reducing that to Bam's new artwork is shortsighted at best and insulting at worst.

It seems everytime there's new artwork from CGB, at least someone drops his bucket of feelings, and we gotta have "THE CONVERSATION" again. It's been talked to death, and people get tired
The game praised for its writing over its art (and has been even with CM's art), then gets poo-pooed on for something completely unrelated with people yelling how they'd drop their support because characters don't look ideal to their tastes.
I hope it's not the same people, otherwise that's some hypocritical stance.

Of course not everyone's gonna like it, but unless it's pure porn, an art change should not be a deal breaker to those who really like the game.

Also, yeah, >>1483069 , the thread is less active here, yet people are still as active to talk about the content of his updates on his Patreon, which isn't something that happens for, say, Blackgate, which has almost no new content.
To me this subject shift in this thread (which has been happening ever since the artist change) speaks much more on what the people here were actually interested about from this VN, rather than on the game being a let down and failing, and if it were failing, it would show on Patreon, instead it's still on an ascending slope after 6k$/month.

And those interested in the writing get tired of this thread being always about the art changes and the same special snowflakes complaining, so they leave and discuss about it somewhere else, whether it'd be Patreon or Dis cord servers about VNs. That's a reality.

But hey, Echo had to deal with that like 3 times already, received heavy criticism, and it never killed it, and considering EA's popularity, a mere art change won't kill the latter.

Edited at 2018/08/20 05:13:27
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Furrynomous 2018/08/26 16:54:44 No.1485883
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Am I the only one who felt like there was something going on between Spencer and Darius during Coach's last update?

I feel like Dozer and Chester being together is enough, having Spencer and Darius together would be a bad idea and it would just come off as fanservice in my opinion. So I hope that I'm wrong and it's just the way they behave as friends.
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LJS 2018/08/26 20:50:42 No.1485927
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Maybe things have changed since I stopped supporting him, but as I recall most of the "discussion" on his Patreon was just people kissing Dyne's ass telling him how wonderful each update is no matter what he wrote. Most of the people there were only interested in the porn, and didn't really care about the quality of the writing.

For example, ever since the MC has one of his psychic dreams Dyne has been hinting at setting up a Spencer/MC/Darius threesome. Plenty of supporters seemed to like the idea, but does it really make sense? Given his history with Darius, is Spencer really going to believe Darius is after anything other than a casual kinky threesome in which he gets to nail two best friends at once? Of course not. And why would Spencer suddenly be willing to have casual sex with Darius now when he wouldn't before? Add in Spencer's extreme jealousy/possessive attitude towards MC (remember his "I can't stand seeing another man touch you" and "I should be the only one allowed to touched you like that" lines), and Spencer having a 3-way with these two really doesn't make much sense. He might be willing to be in a triad with other people, but his history with Darius and feelings for MC don't really lend themselves towards a polyamorous relationship.

Another example is Spencer's job. IIRC there were plenty of people all excited at the idea of Spencer going fully nude at the club. They conveniently ignore that this particular plot line makes no sense. Spencer explicitly states multiple times that that is something he will not do, only to do a complete reversal of this opinion on day 18. What's the reason for him changing his mind? There isn't one. He just changes his mind for no reason at all. But the fans don't care because PORN.

ETA: I would also point out that porn of this in game makes no sense, as the MC would never be allowed in the room even if Spencer starts doing the private shows. Spence says these shows take place in private rooms. Private rooms mean limited space, which in turn greatly limits the number of customers who can be there. MC may be Spencer's boyfriend, but he is a bad customer. He doesn't spend much at the bar (often gets his drinks comped), and apparently doesn't tip much (IIRC Bam one time comments on needing to pay attention to his tipping customers). It is ridiculous to pretend that a non-tipping tightwad like MC would be allowed to take the place of a customer who would actually spend money in the private room. But do the supporters care that the idea of MC being in the room doesn't make sense? No, they just care about the porn.

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LJS 2018/08/26 22:05:01 No.1485960
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Frankly, the porn is the only interesting thing left about the VN. I never got far into Chester's route (just didn't seem that interesting), but of the remaining four the "relationships" at best are pathetic jokes, and at their worst are set-ups for abuse.

Dozer: I get the idea of having a type, but it is really sad how this entire relationship is based on all the ways MC reminds Dozer of Harvey. More importantly, Harvey isn't just any ex-he is the ex Dozer is webcamming and apparently cybersexing with right up until he starts dating MC. He is the ex with whom Dozer is so overly enmeshed that, when MC agrees to a 1st date, Dozer almost immediately wants to text Harvey about it (he seriously can't focus on MC and then text Harvey on the way home?). The whole relationship reads as MC being Imitation Harvey, a second rate substitute that will do since Dozer can't have the real thing.

Spencer: Spencer was once a favorite of mine, until I played the route through all at once instead of the piecemeal release style. Taking it all in at once, it is just depressing. He has real problems with arrogance, hypocrisy and dishonesty, which Dyne insists on continuing as more and more lies are revealed. Also, it would be bad enough that for almost the entire route Spencer immediately shuts down any attempt on the MC's part to take the initiative and show any attraction towards him. Worse though is that while doing this, he openly rubs it in the MC's face how much he enjoys attention from everyone else, both at his job and outside it. At times it almost seems like, given the choice, he would rather spend an evening at the club then spend it having sex with his boyfriend. Playing this route, it gets harder to believe that these two are even friends, much less that they love about each other.

Grifter: Probably get some blowback for this, but I can't stand this "romance." Contrary to the nonsense in game, it is not slightly unprofessional for Grifter to date a student in his class. It is the kind of ethical violation that gets professors fired. What really drove me away, however, is his disclosure of suicidal ideation followed by asking the MC to be his boyfriend. Using threats of suicide is emotionally manipulative and, yes, a set up for an abusive relationship.

Darius: I'll say it straight out-I can't stand Darius. As discussed >>1457088 Darius is willing to try to separate MC from any friends that don't like him, forces himself on MC (and others) and often blames his victims for his actions. It isn't Darius' fault he lied, MC forced him to lie by having feelings for him.IMO he even comes off a bit as if it was Spencer's fault Darius lied to him, since Darius wouldn't have had to play games if Spence hadn't been a prude and would have just slept with him. Then there is perhaps the most egregious offense-Darius gaslights MC with his whole "You don't understand I wasn't trying to sleep with you even though I spent the last couple days constantly flirting with you and grinding on/groping you and suggesting we have sex" nonsense. Darius throws up one red flag for abuse after another, but the VN shrugs it off with a lame excuse of "he doesn't want a committed relationship". Lots of people don't want committed relationships; they still manage to not force themselves on the people around them.

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Furrynomous 2018/08/27 06:00:21 No.1486070
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What's sad is that valid criticism like this is only going to be seen as negative because of people busy brown nosing Dyne and due to the rarity of furry VNs so they will grasp at straws to defend any semi decently written furry novel since that's all that exists out there for a niche group no matter how terrible it objectively is. The visuals is all this novel has going for it, the writing itself is all over the place and yet people won't care cause when furry novels hardly exist, ya gotta latch onto whatever you can. In this case it's all the people constantly praising and singing the gospel over the novel cause you gotta keep patting the dude's back or else he'll stop and no more for you. Like the JOEs, they're one of the few pieces of furry erotica that exist and many anonymous users will sing nothing but praise because that's all that exists and they don't want em to stop coming or cease existing. I know furries are thirsty folks and there's extreme thirst but my god, furries are on a whole different level.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/27 11:19:41 No.1486169
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Very well and thought out, but you only pointed out flaws. If this is your criticism then what do you think would help improve on the writing and characters?
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LJS 2018/08/27 13:55:05 No.1486219
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Most of my examples will deal with Spencer, as his was the last route for me to give up on so I remember it the most.

Write the characters consistently.

Before ever starting to write day 1, Dyne should have figured out profiles for each character-what is his personality, his values, his likes and dislikes, etc. Then stick to that. It doesn't matter which route you play; the characters' personalities should always be the same. In all routes, write so that characters respond to every scenario in a way that is in keeping with their personality, rather than changing their personality to shoehorn them into some scenario.

For example, Spencer is unique in that, unlike the others, his feelings for MC predate the game (this is revealed in one of the more recent days where he reveals that he kept his distance over the last couple of years because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to control his feelings). He should therefore have feelings for MC in every route; as a result, he should also get jealous in every route. He may not try to actively sabotage the MC's relationships, but he would not actively encourage MC to get together with another man (as he does with Grifter) or magically have no jealousy and be willing to share MC in a threesome (as appears to be the direction Dyne is hinting at with Darius).

Personally, I would also argue that this means he shouldn't get involved with anyone else on other routes. His feelings for MC are too strong, and he would likely be going through the same emotions he describes about seeing MC with the other guy in the locker room incident. He would be too much in a mindset of wondering "Could that have been me with MC if I just spoke up?" to be in a good mental space to get together with someone else. (As an aside, I also dislike Chester/Dozer. It casts the MC in the role of the interloper preventing them from being with their "true love" if you play either the Chester or Dozer route.)

Additionally, I can accept that Spencer might go out with Darius once or twice, but does it really make sense for him to seriously attempt to date him? Note how closeted Spencer is when MC starts dating him. He is uncomfortable with any act that might let people know he is gay unless he initiates it. He doesn't even like MC to look at him sexually, much less touch him. Remember also that, as shown in Darius' route, Darius is an extremely ass-grabby kind of person who won't even keep his hands/eyes/crotch/ass/any body part to himself around someone he claims to just consider a friend (like MC) or even people he knows don't like him (see the scene where he starts grinding on Spencer at practice when Spence is just trying to help him with his form at Grifter's request). If Darius won't keep his hands/eyes/body parts to himself around someone who is just his friend, it seems very unlikely that he would keep them to himself with someone he is supposed to be dating. On the flip side, Spencer would probably be too closeted to put up with that for more than 1 or 2 dates.

Also, follow through on established themes/backstory. For example, MC and Spencer are supposedly best friends, but they never act like it. See
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Also in Spencer's route: Throughout the route Darius is constantly badgering them for info about their sex life, trying to insert himself into their every conversation, spying on them at the dance studio, trying to get MC to get him a photo of Spencer naked, etc. He is ridiculously out of line and, to be frank, creepy as hell. Remember, they aren't friends. Spencer doesn't like Darius, and there is no evidence of Darius ever socializing or having any kind of relationship with MC. Despite this, MC spends almost the entire route criticizing Spencer for not wanting to socialize with Darius or blaming their conflicts on Spencer letting Darius get to him. Hell, on day 19 Darius tells MC he will stop giving them a hard time, then turns around and breaks that promise. Does MC side with his best friend and hold Darius accountable for breaking his word? Of course not. If two characters are supposed to be best friends who grew up together, write them like it. They should be loyal to one another, especially when faced with choosing between their best friend and some guy they barely know from a shared activity.

If a character is going to reverse his opinion/stance on something, there should be a chain of events that illustrates the reason for that change. It is stupid, for instance, that within a couple of lines in a single conversation on day 18 Spencer goes from calling MC an idiot for thinking he would ever do private shows for anyone but MC to suddenly campaigning for MC to be ok with him going fully nude at the club. (Even stupider in playthroughs where the player has been rejecting the idea of Spence staying a stripper. If your boyfriend doesn't like you performing in a jockstrap, he isn't going to like you performing nude. Given how jealous Spencer is, you would think he would be a little more sensitive to MC's feelings on this issue.) It is stupid that, on Darius' route, Spencer explicitly states he will never trust Darius again, and then reverses this opinion because of a conversation with Darius, the guy who already lied about being in a relationship with him to get Spencer into bed. For that matter, it is stupid that, at Spencer's apartment on Darius' route, MC tells Spencer that he realizes there is nothing serious going on between himself and Darius, then goes back to the shelter and gets excited about the fact that the next day he has a "date" with Darius. What the hell happened on the bus from Spencer's place to the shelter to make MC revert to thinking he is dating Darius when he just told Spence he knew nothing was going on between them???

Actions should have realistic consequences. None of this nonsense like Dyne's "Darius can go out of his way to be an insulting, antagonistic jerk who sexually harasses people, but everyone likes him anyway because his Mommy and Daddy didn't hug him enough" crap. As noted above, Darius regularly goes out of his way to insult and harass Spencer. We have also seen him deliberately be insulting/antagonistic to Chester, and he thinks playing head games to make people like Grifter jealous is funny. The way he treats people would naturally make people want to avoid him. If a character is an obnoxious jerk, then have the other characters treat him like an obnoxious jerk rather than making excuses why people supposedly want to socialize with him.

ETA: Stop trivializing the conflict between Spencer and Darius. This isn't a minor situation like Darius reneged on a bet and stiffed Spencer out of a couple of bucks. As noted earlier in this thread, Darius admits to MC that he deliberately played games with Spencer to try to trick him into bed just because he wanted to nail "the prude". This is a major betrayal of Spencer's trust, and is not something that a liar like Darius can make up for by "talking it out." Darius poisoned the well, it is reasonable and rationale for Spencer to never trust him again, particularly since his actions show he is still only interested in sex as evidenced by his continual harassment of MC and others.
Most importantly, for a college romance slice-of-life type VN, simple kindness and decency between the MC and his love interest is much rarer than it should be. Yes there can be moments of conflict between the MC and his LI, but overall it should be believable that these people like and respect each other. No using someone as a stand-in for your ex (Dozer), no hypocritical nonsense of demanding 100% sexual fidelity with no exceptions while pushing for yourself to get more and more sexually intimate with total strangers (Spencer), and no romanticizing or trivializing of abuse (Grifter and Darius). Aim for reasonably healthy relationships, rather than an homage to dysfunctional relationships.

Edited at 2018/08/27 18:46:06
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LJS 2018/08/27 14:26:19 No.1486228
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Scenarios in the game should aim to be at least somewhat believable.

As noted above, no matter how much supporters might want it, it makes no sense for a bad customer like MC to get into one of D. Springs' private shows.

If you really want a romance with a professor, make it one like Tai. Some universities might (emphasis on "some" and "might") be ok with a professor getting involved with a student who is not under his direct authority in any way, as he would have no ability to influence the MC's grades or scholarship(s). After all, as tennis coach, Grifter has the option to kick MC off the team which would cost him his scholarship, making him unable to afford college. If you insist on it being a teacher in authority over the MC, then recognize that it would have to be kept secret. No telling other students, no living together, and constantly being aware that being caught will get the prof fired. It's not romantic, but really neither is this scenario.

No downplaying mental illness. Suicidal ideation is not a joke, even if this is a VN. Lines like "you are my reason for living" or "you are the reason I get out of bed" might be romantic in a cheesy rom-com kind of way if the speaker is healthy. In a mental patient/suicidal person, it is a manipulative attempt to trap your victim by making them feel responsible for your mental health.

You want Spencer to have an exhibitionist side and enjoy attention-fine, but at least have him be just as interested in his boyfriend's attention too (preferably he should be more interested in his boyfriend than others). Seriously, compare the way he eats up Esperanza telling him how she can't take his eyes off his ass (yes I know she says hips, but we all know what she really meant) to the way he responds to MC checking out his ass at practice less than 24 hours later. Look at how often he brings up the club and performing private shows, compared to how little interest he has in sex with his boyfriend.


In the locker room at D. Spring, he taunts MC with the idea of going out to do his shift naked so everyone can see his cock, then immediately gets annoyed at MC for looking at it (pulls on his jock and makes a comment about now MC can look him in the eyes).

In comparison, Spence doesn't like MC looking at him or trying to touch him most of the route. Also, during their first sex scene, he barely touches MC, and doesn't touch him at all after he gets naked. Does it really seem reasonable that after years of crushing on MC, Spencer would show no interest in touching MC's ass or cock when he finally sees him naked? Does it really seem believable that an early 20s guy like Spencer, allegedly hoping to have sex for the first time, keeps his boyfriend up until the wee hours of the morning playing video games instead of trying to get him back into the bedroom so they could do it a couple times(especially since he knows MC must get up early the next day to go to work)? Plus after that first time he shows no real interest in sex again. At this point, most college students would be limited by trying to get time alone away from roommates, etc. so they can have sex. Spence and MC live together-at this point they should be screwing like rabbits, but even when Spence comes home to find MC in his underwear he has no interest in even suggesting a quickie. But he keeps talking about the club and those private shows.

For Dozer, dial down the constant references to Harvey at the beginning. Fine there are some similarities, but play up some qualities that Dozer likes just about MC. Enough of the Harvey, Harvey, Harvey bit.

Darius could have been interesting. You can have a promiscuous character whose route revolves around the question of whether he will fall for MC in spite of himself, while still having him respect the right of others to say "No". Darius even started out that way-note the scene early on (Day 3 maybe?) in which you can tell him to stop rubbing your shoulder. Tell him to stop and he does. Sadly he then turns into an asshole who forces himself on others; who, if you win the bet, openly tells MC that he is going to use MC for sexual release whether MC likes it or not.

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Furrynomous 2018/08/27 15:23:12 No.1486251
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Furrynomous 2018/08/27 18:05:03 No.1486309
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Found Dyne/wolfstar/whatever spy/shill was sent here to gather intel
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Furrynomous 2018/08/27 18:47:38 No.1486354
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Don't assume things.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/27 19:41:44 No.1486373
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....Because u18chan is a private thing where nobody can access it freely...not like Dyne or whomever could just pop in and read it themselves.....
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 02:29:54 No.1486535
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Ok then explain to me, what the fuck would a random anonymous user (>>1486169) have any use for asking advice on how to improve the story they have no use for if they have no hand in the production of the novel. The only person who ever asks that kind of question is someone who is closely associated with those who do have a hand in production; dyne himself or anyone close to him to talk to him about it as well to get the word out so that he can visit and read here
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 05:58:42 No.1486617
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Maybe someone who wanted to see more than just griping in this thread? *shrug* I dunno, whatever the case someone asking that doesn't immediately spark off my conspiracy radar though.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 07:10:03 No.1486655
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There's definite room for improvement, but compared to e.g. Meat Log Mountain, it's tons better.

Having said that, I find the previous Anons make good points. I'll have to reevaluate my read on Spencer and Darius' relationship
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 07:11:38 No.1486657
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Getting detail on how to improve would allow people to understand why you think something is flawed? Only when you point out e.g. how Darius' actions can be read as extremely underhanded and manipulative can you get an impression of how that permeates his character.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 11:25:18 No.1486785
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Sorry to crush your dreams up, but no, I'm not a Dyne lackey. I just asked because they were so vocal about the flaws and their dislike, that I wanted to know what would they do to make improvements. Criticism is not only to point out flaws, but to also to help know on what to improve.
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LJS 2018/08/28 13:30:52 No.1486807
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Just to be clear, I didn't write this post questioning if people were Dyne or associated with him.
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I added a name to my posts above to make it clear I was the author of the posts criticizing the VN, as well as the later posts with my suggestions of what should be done to improve the writing.

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Serious question here: Did you really think Darius' relationship with Spencer was ok? I'm not trying to be a jerk-I really don't understand how people make excuses for Darius' behavior. See the lines quoted here from Darius' day 8.
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Darius flat out admits that he played games with Spencer to get him into bed. He flat out refers to it as a plan, indicating that it was intentional. How is it ok that Darius' attitude is that Spencer doesn't have the right to decide he isn't interested in casual sex? We also see him grinding on Spencer at practice when he knows Spencer doesn't like him. How is sexually harassing Spencer ok?

For that matter, how is it ok that Darius is constantly forcing himself on MC? Even if you tell him that you think sex is something special for 2 people to share, he is constantly trying to grope or grind on MC.

I'll say it-if Darius were constantly trying to grope Maria (or any other female) the way he attacks MC and Spencer, almost no one would defend him. But because his victims are men, it is treated as a big joke.

For that matter, from the little I played of Chester's route, I seem to recall being told about an incident from his past in which people got him drunk so he couldn't resist then tried to put him in the situation of having sex with someone he wouldn't have necessarily agreed to sleep with if he was sober. This is treated as a traumatic experience for Chester, who is presented as a victim.

The problem-Doesn't the whole "get someone drunk and then take advantage of them" scenario sound familiar? It should. That is exactly what Darius did to Isaac. But with Darius the attitude is "Oh that scoundrel Darius, what wacky hijinks will he get up to next".


Darius knew Isaac didn't want casual sex so he got him drunk and took advantage of him. Darius knew Spencer didn't want casual sex, so he pretended to be serious about him to get Spencer to have feelings for him as a way to trick his way into Spencer's pants (remember we know Spence rarely drinks from his route, so getting him drunk wasn't an option). MC doesn't want casual sex, but Darius keeps flirting with him in an attempt to get him to fall for Darius enough to sleep with him anyway.


If something happens once (Isaac), it can be dismissed as a fluke. If it happens twice (Isaac + Spencer), it can be dismissed as a coincidence. If it happens three times (Isaac + Spencer + MC) it is a pattern, and cannot be dismissed. Darius is a predator who gets off on humping and dumping people, especially people who have feelings for him.

Edited at 2018/08/28 13:40:42
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 13:40:39 No.1486812
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I have a question for you. What was the last update you played?
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LJS 2018/08/28 13:56:03 No.1486815
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1.58, but that was only for Spencer. Can't remember when I gave up on all the other routes.

I suppose now comes the argument that Dyne starts with some lame revisionist history attempt later on. If so, that is just bad writing.

Assume Darius is being honest about wanting to save a friendship with MC on Day 8. If so, it would make no sense for him to say he tried to trick Spencer into bed if it were a lie, as 1) it makes Darius look bad, and 2) in a realistic scenario, telling someone you tried to manipulate the best friend they have known for years into casual sex he didn't want isn't likely to make them want to stay friends with you. Remember, at this point MC has only hung out with Darius 3 times. He has known Spencer much longer than that.

ETA: For that matter, assuming Darius honestly wants to just be friends, why does he lie about having a hookup on night 7? MC doesn't try to stop him from leaving, cause a scene, or make any dramatic accusations at him. Darius should welcome MC realizing what is going to happen, as it would discourage him from thinking they are romantically involved. Instead Darius lies, leaving MC continuing to think something serious is going on between them. Worse still, he kissed MC before leaving the shelter. WHY??? Darius is not stupid, he knows kissing is not something friends do. His actions only make sense if you assume he is trying to keep MC thinking something serious is happening between them.

There is also no justification for the constant groping on MC. Darius knows how to rein that nonsense in-he does it around Maria of his own free will. He could keep his hands to himself around MC, Spencer, and everyone else who hasn't agreed to be his fuckbuddy, he just chooses not to.

Edited at 2018/08/28 14:08:15
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 14:06:09 No.1486820
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The lastest update 1.64 is about Spencer, where they try to work things out with Darius.

While I understand your criticism, I don't agree with it. Your improvement of the character's personality seem to be very black and white.
Spencer becoming the clingy friend or antagonist trying to separate MC from other romance options seems selfish even after not talking with MC for years. Spencer seems to put the MC feelings first before his own, that's what makes him a good best friend, and he is also able to move on and find new love.
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LJS 2018/08/28 14:18:52 No.1486829
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I disagree that I said this.
I said and I quote:

"He may not try to actively sabotage the MC's relationships, but he would not actively encourage MC to get together with another man (as he does with Grifter) or magically have no jealousy and be willing to share MC in a threesome (as appears to be the direction Dyne is hinting at with Darius)."

I said he would get jealous of any relationship MC had, but I did not say that he would try to stop it. I only said he wouldn't go out of his way to encourage it.

You can accept that your crush is involved with someone else without actively getting involved in encouraging or facilitating the relationship. That wouldn't make Spencer a bad person or a bad friend. It would just make him someone trying to heal a broken heart.

You can also move on and find a new love of your own, but moving on takes time. A big part of the reason Spencer kept quiet was that he wasn't sure MC was gay. Say MC gets together with Dozer for example. When Spencer finds out, he most likely will experience the same mix of emotions he went through when he saw MC with the other guy in the locker room incident.

That doesn't mean he would try to break MC and Dozer up. He would, however, likely go through a period of beating himself up for not speaking up and having to let go if his dream/fantasy of being with MC. I'm not saying he wouldn't eventually find a love of his own, merely that he probably wouldn't be in the right headspace to do it at the same time he is having to let go of his years-long crush.

Edited at 2018/08/28 14:21:10
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 14:24:02 No.1486830
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I see your point, understandable.
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LJS 2018/08/28 15:28:43 No.1486840
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Having said that, I will say there are 2 routes I could potentially see as exceptions:

1) Darius, for obvious reasons. Spencer doesn't like him and sees him for the predator he is. I could see him trying to at least talk MC out of dating Darius. I could also see Spencer being willing to attempt to woo MC into dumping Darius for himself.

2) Grifter: I don't necessarily think he would try to stop this relationship, but I could see him taking MC aside to make sure MC really wants this. Grifter has a lot of power over MC, between his ability to fail MC (thereby screwing up his GPA) or kick him off the tennis team, either of which could cost him his scholarship and thus his ability to pay for college. I could see Spencer at least wanting to check in to make sure MC isn't feeling pressured by Grifter into a relationship he doesn't really want.

Edited at 2018/08/28 15:36:08
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Rikkad 2018/08/28 16:00:01 No.1486851
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I think LJS makes value points. Darius, the Predator and Manipulator, but it's accepted in all Routes. Spencer, a Friend that we never see act like the Best Friend and his change of personality in other Routes and on his own Route. And the way the relationship with Coach should be dealt with by other characteres, or the lack of it.

Edited at 2018/08/28 16:00:36
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 16:33:17 No.1486862
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Since it's not based in reality, some of the rules can be bent to fit the narrative and certain kinks that exist in the VN.
The romance with Harold is a cliche, the forbidden love of a student and professor has been done to death multiple times. His route is focused on Harold's "depression" (More like Harold is bipolar not depressed) due to his divorce and learning to trust in people and love again, the consequences of of their relationship doesn't necessarily need to be discussed unless you want to add more tension and drama which might happen further in the route.

Darius and Spencer seem to be the same person just opposite personalities, I guess it's because they are foils of each other. Both Spencer and Darius act the way other people perceive them. People see Spencer as responsible, prude and perfect. Spencer doesn't like any form of perversion so he keeps his strip job a secret because it goes against how he acts in public. Spencer is someone that actually cares about what other people think of him so he keeps secrets.
Darius is polar opposite. People perceive Darius as predator and manwhore because he fucks a lot of guys so Darius just acts the way he does, not letting people into his personal life. Darius doesn't want to show his vulnerable side.

That's my take on it.

Edited at 2018/08/28 16:34:49
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LJS 2018/08/28 17:26:20 No.1486873
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There is a big difference between Spencer and Darius: Spencer respects the right of other people to say "No".

If you wear the police hat back to the club and get pulled up on stage, you can choose to be upset about it. If you do, Spencer acknowledges he was out of line for doing that without MC's permission. He then apologizes to MC and says he hopes MC can forgive, assuring him it won't happen again. More importantly, it doesn't happen again. Spencer has not forced or set up anything like that without MC's permission since that day.

Compare that to Darius. He continually forces himself on MC, no matter how many times MC tells him to stop. At the end of the night when MC, Darius, and Maria go out, there is a scene wherein Darius kisses MC and the player is given the option to push him away. I pushed him away. Darius' response? He forced himself right back on the MC after commenting that, since he lost the bet and couldn't have sex, he was going to use MC for some release. He doesn't apologize, and he never changes his behavior. As far as he is concerned no one has the right to say "no" to him.

Darius is not a predator because he fucks a lot of men. Darius is a predator because he gets people drunk so he can fuck them (Isaac). Darius is a predator because he plays games and lies to people about being in a relationship so he can trick them into a one night stand against their will (Spencer). He is a predator because, knowing a person has feelings for him, he continues to flirt and encourage those feelings while claiming to only be interested in friendship; this only makes sense as an attempt to trick someone into casual sex (MC).

I can't help noticing that the Darius defenders can never answer these 2 simple questions:
1) Why do you think it is acceptable for Darius to refuse to respect the right of other people to decide they don't want casual sex?

2) Why do you think it is acceptable for Darius to grope, grind on, etc. people without their permission?

He can sleep with as many people as he wants as long as they also are on board with having casual sex. But when someone says no to casual sex (like Spencer, Isaac, and MC all did), he should keep his hands to himself and move on to find someone else. Instead, as shown in game, if someone dares to turn him down he resorts to trying to manipulate them into sex. That is what makes him a predator, not the number of fuckbuddies he has had.

Edited at 2018/08/28 17:38:23
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Furrynomous 2018/08/28 18:12:41 No.1486894
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I understand not everyone will be happy or like certain routes because of a character's personality. The VN itself is full of tropes and kinks that influence the story and it's easy to tell. I'm not invalidating your criticism, you do have a point. I don't defend Darius cause I know some people won't like him with reason, since I share some similar kinks within the VN I don't find any issue with it. Given that is not reality I can forgive certain things that aren't to extreme.

Darius does come off a strong an off putting, he is "the pervert with a heart of gold" thing which is what the VN is going for. You are right, personalities like this in real life would be creepy and no one would be near a person like this ever, but since it's based in fantasy we forgive certain things, or certain personalities excite us. I guess for me his personality pushes certain buttons.

Edited at 2018/08/28 18:13:18
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LJS 2018/08/28 19:55:10 No.1486933
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I can kind of relate to the pervert with a heat of gold kink, a while ago I played a demo for a yaoi game (not furry) called Full Service. At least in the demo, all "dateable" characters work in a massage parlor that offers happy endings, so basically they are prostitutes. Still, none of them force anything on anyone (again, at least in the demo). Personally, I just don't see how someone who treats people the way Darius treats people (especially Isaac and Spencer) can be described as having a heart of gold.

Still, I would argue that this VN would be better if the player were given more control over the MC's reactions. For example, above I cited the scene in which Darius forcibly kissed MC twice. After this, MC went back to his room at the shelter and worried that he might have to sleep with Darius since he is so "irresistible". Instead of this, give the player the opportunity to decide the MC's reaction. You might like Darius' actions, but give players like me the option to have the MC be angry at Darius for forcing himself on MC.

There is precedent for that in this VN. If you wear the police hat back to the club in Spencer's route, the player is given the choice whether to surrender or stay on for the whole routine. Then backstage, there is a choice whether you enjoyed it or not, and the next day there is a choice whether to be upset or not about (Or at least there was when it was first released. IIRC I think Dyne started making some changes in later versions so that if you surrendered the game automatically made the MC upset with Spencer).

Give the player options to more forcibly reject Darius' advances. VNs sometimes have the good endings and bad endings for different routes (example, Nekojishi)-this could have had an ending wherein MC ends up with Darius by accepting his advances and an ending wherein MC rejects his advances.

For the with Darius ending, it could potentially have a variation in which the two are in an exclusive relationship and a variation wherein they are just fuckbuddies.

For the rejecting Darius ending, MC could just end up single or he could have the option to pursue a different character while rejecting Darius.

No matter what, however, I would argue that the player should only have control over MC's attitude towards Darius. I still maintain for instance, that having Spencer get involved with Darius doesn't make sense from a story POV given their history. If a threesome is desired, either make it someone who already seems open to that (the Tiger-can't remember his name-is already a fuckbuddy of Darius and has shown some interest in MC IIRC) or make it a character who hasn't been shown to have a bad history with Darius already (example: Dozer).

Edited at 2018/08/28 20:25:48
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Satyr 2018/08/29 03:42:35 No.1487058
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I'm the author of >>1486655 and >>1486657 , gonna pick a name to make this easier to follow.

It's a difficult question! I agree that some of Darius' behaviour is sleazy (to say the least), and I'm conflicted.
I see the author trying to fix it and respond to criticism in more recent releases, and I want to encourage them to, yanno, write a fully-rounded realistic character - even hopefully go back to earlier episodes and make it consistent.

At the same time... I don't want to give them too much credit but isn't it already pretty realistic? The grindr addict who sleeps around, who refuses to get close to people, and who uses his reputation as a Sex Pest to their advantage to get away with outrageous things? There are opportunities in his route to tell him to stop, and whenever the option is actually given and take, he does.

So I think part of the problem here is that we aren't in total control of the MC, and some of Darius' teasing can't be rejected/pointed out as inappropriate just because there's no button for it.

I think rape culture is a problem in cishet and LGBT spaces, and I'm having to think as to how much I would consider Darius' teasing to be "forcing himself"; I don't personally recall any instances where he does more than grin or offer to expose himself, and the MC - not the Player, the MC - never really seems put off by it. In-Universe, people go "thaaaat's Darius! *laugh track*". So the dissonance is between how the universe tells us the MC/we feel and how some of us actually feel?


Honestly, a lot of the issues pointed out here also come from the fact that the game, as is, is railroaded as fuck. You select your boyfriend on day 1 and you never really hang out with any of the other guys afterwards. Whereas a lot of VNs have a sort of Trunk-and-branches structure - you have a few main events, you make a choice whom to hang out with, you walk their branch for an event or two then rejoin the trunk - Extracurricular Activities has one has a single branching point and then you're locked into the character's route. You can't not end up with them. You can't even not fuck them, iirc.
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Satyr 2018/08/29 03:48:49 No.1487062
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IIRC, the latest version of the plot is:
Darius initially only wanted to bone Spencer, because ~a challenge~, but developed actual feelings for him.
Spencer, a newly-out baby gay, wasn't comfortable with how sexually liberated Darius was and wanted it to be special, so consistently refused his advances, but found himself charmed and considered it.
Isaac, jealous that Darius didn't want a relationship, slut-shamed Darius in front of Spencer and said something to the effect of "he never had feelings for you, he only wanted to fuck you" (Which was only initially true) and Spencer, feeling betrayed, refused to let Darius explain anything and stormed off.

Which still is... kinda sleazy on Darius part, but, uh, honestly sleazy?

In a recent update, the MC and Darius sit Spencer down and Darius gets to explain his side of the story, and Spencer agrees that he overreacted and tries to start over regarding his view on Darius. Though Spencer does not do an instant 180, it is a touch forced.
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LJS 2018/08/29 13:22:26 No.1487158
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I'll repeat what I said above then-this kind of revisionist nonsense is just plain bad writing.

It makes no sense that, on day 8 of his route, Darius tells MC that he was playing games to try to nail Spencer because he was "a prude" if it was lie. All this statement does is paint him as a predator, and is not likely to make MC want to keep being friends with him.

Put yourself in MC's position: You've known Spencer for years, and still consider him to be your best friend even if you aren't spending as much time together as you used to. Now Darius, some guy you have only hung out with 3 times, tells you he tried to trick Spencer into a one night stand. Are you really going to think that is ok and still keep hanging out with Darius? Are you really going to bug Spencer to give Darius another chance like MC does? This is the kind of story that would more likely drive MC to tell Darius to get lost, not make him want to stay friends with Darius.

It also doesn't excuse the way Darius refuses to keep his hands to himself. It doesn't matter what happened in the past, if Spencer doesn't want to deal with Darius he needs to keep his hands (and all other body parts) to himself. But he doesn't. Apparently sexually harassing Spencer is supposed to be ok.

It also doesn't change the fact that Darius lying to MC and kissing him on day 7 doesn't make sense, or any of the other red flags for abuse I mentioned above. And if he has already been lying to these people and treating the "relationships" like games, why would anyone take him seriously if he tries to get a real relationship (or a threesome) going?

The writing with Darius is a hot mess, and a lot of the issues could have been eliminated simply by taking out the nonsense where he constantly gropes, grinds on, etc. people without their permission and plays head games with them. As it is, IMO it just comes off as a lame attempt to pretend that someone who spends his whole route preying on people and playing with their heads/emotions is somehow a poor misunderstood "victim".

ETA. Also in Spencer's route, it doesn't explain why Darius is constantly trying to insert himself into MC and Spencer's relationship. Darius isn't stupid. He knows friendship isn't about sex, but he constantly pesters them for details on their relationship/sex life and then insults Spencer when he says it is none of Darius' business. It doesn't justify Darius spying on them, or badgering MC for a details about Spencer's cock (as an aside, this was creepy enough before it was confirmed that they dated briefly).

Being sexually liberated is not about trying to insert sex into every interaction or relationship. This is still just bad writing attempting to argue that everyone should think it is great that Darius is a creep and want to hang out with him anyway.

Honestly, my advice to Dyne would be: You wrote an obnoxious character, now own it. Stop trying to push this "poor Darius is so misunderstood and everyone should be his friend" line. Everyone on the tennis team does not have to be friends with each other or like each other. Likewise, they don't all have to pair up with one another (doing so IMO just reinforces offensive stereotypes that gay men are so superficial that if you throw 6 of us in a room we will all pair up-or have an orgy-because the only thing that matters in a partner is a penis).

You want a route where MC can end up with Darius, fine though I would prefer to at least have the option to dump him and potentially move on to someone else if the player decides mid route they don't like him. But let the other characters like Spencer continue to distrust/dislike him. Darius has earned it.

Edited at 2018/08/29 16:18:32
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LJS 2018/08/29 13:47:15 No.1487161
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I agree that there are people who sleep around, I just disagree with the idea that it is realistic to say that everyone must be happy to be targeted by them or think it is ok when they refuse to take "no" for an answer.

I will say that, IMO, Darius forces himself on people regularly.

Earlier I cited a scene (don't remember the day, but it was after day 8 but before Darius' accident) in which Grifter has Spencer working with MC and Darius at practice. Spencer has to stand close to Darius to help correct his form/stance, and Darius starts grinding on him. Darius knows Spencer doesn't like him or the way he acts; the fact that he has a reputation is not an excuse for forcing himself on people when he knows that attention is not wanted. Grinding on someone when you know they don't like you isn't flirting-it is harassment. Also realistically, given Darius' personality we can safely assume that if he did it once he has been doing it at every opportunity. Darius wants to be the Sex Pest, fine, but actions have consequences. There is no reason to write Spencer as being fine with it or ever being willing to take the chance of trusting Darius again. Act like all you are interested in is casual sex and treat people like sex objects for your amusement, and no one will believe you when you claim to want something more serious.

By your posts, Darius admits that he was in fact playing head games with Spencer at least at the beginning; it also means he has been lying to MC. And not just any lies-these are lies about the very nature of his relationship(s) with them. There is a price to be paid for doing things like this-once you've started it, people can rarely trust that you are now being honest with them. He is basically saying "Yes I lied to you to try to trick you into bed at first, but I promise I wouldn't do that again. You can trust me even though I have already proven I'll say whatever lie I have to in order to get in your pants." It is ridiculous for the VN to try to say that everyone should want to be around Darius despite his lies and head games.

Likewise, there is the scene I mentioned above after the night out with Darius and Maria in which, if you push Darius away when he kisses you, he just forces himself back on MC. Pushing Darius away is a clear, unambiguous sign MC does not want to be kissed, but Darius doesn't care. I also do consider Darius groping and grinding on MC to be forcing himself on MC, since MC has previously told him on day 8 that he isn't interested in that kind of relationship.

We know Darius can rein in the oversexed nonsense-he does it voluntarily around Maria because, in his own words he "respects her". This tells us he can relate to people without dragging sex into it, yet he won't do that with MC, whom he claims to only want as a friend, or Spencer.

I could see Darius getting flirty later on as the player earns love points with him and he falls for MC in spite of himself, but he is pulling this crap from the beginning. It reduces the entire route to feeling like a headgame.

Also, I still maintain that a threesome wouldn't make sense. Even if Spencer is going to try to start over with Darius, a threesome would require Darius to be making moves on both Spencer and MC at the same time. Even with Dyne's revisionist crap, Darius is still admitting to playing games with people to try to nail them. Trying to get two people into bed at once doesn't read as anything other than an attempt to get a casual threesome in which he can fuck two virgin best friends at once, and I don't buy that there is any reason Spencer would suddenly be in favor of that casual of a sexual relationship.

ETA. I also disagree that Darius respects people's boundaries/ the word "no". I think on day 5 (I believe it is the day before the 1st visit to the studio) you are given the option to choose whether you do or don't trust Darius to keep the shelter secret. If you choose the don't trust option, we get a conversation in which Darius starts pressing MC to fool around with him, then starts badgering him that the only reason MC refuses him is because Spencer "controls" MC. When MC denies Spencer controls him, Darius starts arguing that MC should be willing to fool around with him to prove it. If Darius respected other people, he would accept the "no" the moment it is given and stop pressing for it. But he doesn't. Every day he starts over again, groping, grinding, and forcing himself on someone who has said he doesn't want to be a casual fuckbuddy.

Edited at 2018/08/29 15:24:47
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Satyr 2018/08/29 18:00:02 No.1487223
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I guess the author tried to write "sexually liberated" and accidentally arrived at "would be a rapist if they were any more forceful".
I wonder if that reflects badly on them, or is an unconscious result of our culture promoting male sexual forcefulness (and misogyny in gay men preferring forceful sexuality to ~girly emotions~).

Like, this could work if Darius' attempt to hide any vulnerability under "easy come easy go lol" partyboy vibes was consistent, but I'll agree that the overall result is a hot mess.

I didn't recal the kiss scene; if that's there, there's definitely some iffyness in there.

Thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts!
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Satyr 2018/08/29 18:02:31 No.1487225
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"Pairing the Spares" is probably an end result of the small, insular cast and, well, gay VN nature. Again, the work shouldn't be immune to criticism, but having "canon" couples and having everyone end up in said canon relationship unless affected by the main character's power of Having Save States are genre conventions that allow the reader to have their cake and eat it, too. I'm willing to let that one slide more than the "pick your guy on day 1" currently in place.
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LJS 2018/08/29 18:40:20 No.1487238
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YMMV I suppose. Personally, I don't think everyone needs to get a boyfriend. IIRC Dyne at one point suggested each route would probably be around 30 days or so (the calendar in the upper corner seems to suggest this as well). As there are no time skips, that would put the events of the VN as taking place over the course of a single month. It would be perfectly reasonable that not all members of the tennis team would find romantic partners at the exact same time. I would argue that it would be more reasonable than claiming that, after being on the team together for however long it has been, they all magically pair up amongst themselves at the exact same time.

Also, the cast may be small but the setting is a college campus-plenty of other men around. Dozer might be limited since he doesn't get out much, but surely some of the cast members could meet people outside the team. Chester works at what would probably be a popular hang-out for the college students-plenty of opportunities to meet people.

We know Darius finds hook-ups outside it (for that matter he first met Spencer before they were on the team together), he could easily find someone else the same way. Admittedly I don't like Darius, but not only do I think this would be a more likely way for him to find love, I honestly think it would also be better for him since it would give him the chance to meet someone he can have a fresh start with, as there would be no bad history/baggage to overcome.

Spencer, too. We know he has other friends, as that is how he refers to the people he tutors. Go to the arcade date, and he talks about hanging out at the student center playing pool. So he has met other people outside the team. Surely some of them would be interested in dating a good-looking, outgoing guy like him. It also avoids the issue of: Why would Spencer give Darius a second chance in the other routes? After all, in Darius' route, MC is the one to bug Spencer to give Darius another chance. In Spencer's route, MC is the one to decide they are going to have this conversation on the latest day. It is also MC who talks to/encourages Darius to interact with them, not Spencer.

Spencer doesn't reconcile with Darius out of any personal desire to do so; he is personally fine not socializing with Darius any more than he has to for the team. MC acts as the catalyst, and that catalyst isn't present in the other routes. Pairing these two would therefore not only require Spencer to reconcile with Darius, but to do so on his own when he has shown no interest in doing so (in fact, he explicitly indicates he doesn't want to at his apartment in Darius' route when he tells MC he will never trust Darius again). Not really reasonable to say he would do it on his own IMO.

Their romantic partners don't need to be named characters that we meet after all; they could just be off-screen characters who are referenced in passing. I just think it would be more realistic in addition to avoiding the whole "MC is a homewrecker" idea.

Edited at 2018/08/29 21:08:47
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LJS 2018/08/29 19:24:05 No.1487245
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I agree in general about the overall structure of EA, with two exceptions: You don't pick your boyfriend on day 1.

You aren't locked into a route until day 3; as far as I can tell, which route you end up on depends on who you have the most "like" points with at the end of day 2.

I tested this by choosing to practice with Chester on day 1, but then choosing all options that either lost points with him, were neutral, or gained a point with Spencer. At the end of day 1, I was +1 with Spencer and 0 likes with everyone else. On day 2, I maxed my like points with Spencer.

On day 3, I was locked into Spencer's route, despite initially picking Chester on day 1.

ETA. Also, I think you can avoid sleeping with them (or at least some of them). I know with Spencer you have to have enough love points to get the first sex scene (I remember thinking it was pretty silly that if you don't get the sex scene literally nothing happened between them. They didn't even spend the evening kissing, just watched either TV or a movie and MC fell asleep on the couch. Two horny college kids and they don't even make out? Eyeroll-sure Dyne), and to get the second you have to agree to share his bed and agree you want to have sex. IIRC you do have a choice whether to fuck him or not if you share his bed. Also, if you are on a low confidence route where MC will bottom, you have to pick the right options as Spencer preps and mounts you. If you are too aggressive about wanting him to proceed too far too fast, MC won't be able to take his dick all the way and they have to abort before they actually get to the fucking.

With Dozer's first you had to walk home in the rain; I think you could avoid it if you got a ride home. Or maybe there was a different trigger; anyway I am pretty sure about Dozer's first and certain about Spencer. Stopped playing Dozer's route though so I don't know if there is a second scene (or if it can be avoided). Never played far enough on the others to find out if their sex scenes are forced.

Edited at 2018/08/29 20:14:54
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Furrynomous 2018/08/29 21:16:03 No.1487341
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@LJS Dude, you almost make me agree on Isaac sabotaging Darius' bike.

Edited at 2018/08/29 21:16:16
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Furrynomous 2018/08/29 23:01:08 No.1487376
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That's a bit much.
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LJS 2018/08/30 02:53:11 No.1487424
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I don't think he deserves to die, though I would like the option to knee him in the crotch a few times.
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Furrynomous 2018/08/30 11:34:02 No.1487581
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Where to find the released version of this game?
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Satyr 2018/08/30 12:21:21 No.1487630
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On the patreon page
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Satyr 2018/09/02 03:53:14 No.1489212
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Oh boy, update time!
The gulf between what Darius is suppose to be (a loner who hides his desire for emotional intimacy behind a carefree, sexually liberated facade) and what Darius is kinda looking like (kind of a creepy pervert??) is widening. The update starts with a sorta-cute scene but Darius increasingly transparently denies having any feelings for the MC, no, this is all about sex dude!
...And then overcompensates by being grabby in a few pretty uncomfortable ways.

If the VN wasn't "Pick your dude by day 3" style, I might've done one or two Darius events and never bothered again. There's a few points where, really, red flags would make one get out.

Unfortunately, the MC has been hit with the idiot stick here. Whilst e.g. in Spencer's route, his ~virginity~ doesn't stop him from knowing what an emotionally healthy relationship should be like and communicating his feelings and boundaries, here, the MC's a stuttering, blushy mess, way, way too easily fooled by Darius. Get a grip, man.
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Furrynomous 2018/09/05 02:35:22 No.1490419
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Damn LJS is letting EVERYONE have it hunny!
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Furrynomous 2018/09/11 15:42:12 No.1493387
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God I just want Richard to fucking pound me

/thirst

Edited at 2018/09/11 16:48:20
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Furrynomous 2018/11/24 08:00:19 No.1520747
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Wow, it's kinda sad how dead this thread is.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/24 08:03:38 No.1520749
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Yeah, this thread fucking died, led to believe this project actually died, wouldn't surprise me cause I stopped caring about this ages ago. The updates were shit and super slow, everyone who supported this got fucking ripped off.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/24 09:01:33 No.1520765
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This right here is proof you can never please furries. Seriously, the project updates twice a month, has somewhat lengthy updates (bigger than most if not all other furry VN projects. Yes, I am looking at you, Blackgate), is redoing all the art assets in the game at quite a reasonable pace and people STILL complain that he's slow? Damn, you give people an inch and they want to take a mile. No matter how well things are doing, people still go looking for some reason to complain.

Wouldn't surprise me if all this negativity is why the more reasonable folk stopped coming here. Which honestly sucks because I used to enjoy coming to U18 to discuss my favorite projects but people just don't care anymore.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/24 16:26:32 No.1520848
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Either 2 things happen to this thread and game.
1) people got bored of the game
2) The people who kept the thread going like the art before yet dislike the art now.

I'm not sure when the thread got forgotten but I'm pretty sure it occurred after the new art came in and cursemark was gone. The game is still doing well and has support but the art changing played a major factor in how people see the game.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/24 17:25:03 No.1520857
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>>1520848

Certainly more than just 2 reasons.

I agree with >>1520765 though, I got tired of people bitching about the artist change, I was just happy the game was still being updated.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/24 21:57:53 No.1520954
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Actually, the art change had nothing to do with it, I didn't give a fuck about who the artist was. The game was still shit even when Cursedmarked was still working on it. People pointed out above all the writing flaws and how the story dragged on and on, not to mention how the game is still incomplete after years upon years of development with no sign of completion.

The art direction is terrible where there were gray backgrounds everywhere not even bothering to use stock images as placeholders where you can add text that says "Test image not final background" anything to make the game not look like it's still in fucking alpha build. With sparse monthly updates there isn't any room for discussion here in this board which is why it died.

And there's actually people paying for this when it's going to be given out for free when it's done for all those who weren't patrons? Wow.

Face it furries, ya been shekeled.
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Furrynomous 2018/11/24 22:13:21 No.1520960
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I feel the reason I stopped paying much attention to this VN was due to the writing. It was promising at first, but then the inconsistencies started to pop up and the routes really started to drag. This is a clear side effect of Dyne writing aimlessly with no clear goal or structure in mind.
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Furrynomous 2018/12/03 17:51:57 No.1524398
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I feel this, too. It's like, after the first sex scene, things tend to slow down quite a bit.

Edited at 2018/12/03 17:52:29
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Furrynomous 2019/05/02 16:48:58 No.1584036
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v1.80 the latest build is out for those still interested

https://furrybaraarchives.blogspot.com/2019/05/extracurricular-activities-ver-180.html
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Furrynomous 2019/05/03 00:51:58 No.1584245
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Yeah, sure, I'll be sure to download this "not at all suspicious" link that bulks up the original folder size of the game. Which was already the case with Adastra.

No, I'd rather pay or wait than risking to get some weird program in my PC, thank you very much.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/03 02:11:45 No.1584296
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>>1524398
100% correct. Many people including myself stopped their patrons because the writing degraded overtime, this also result in people no longer paying attention to it. Another factor was some patrons thought there was no longer any purpose to support the game since a major change was made without them having any input. I'm talking about the art style. The purpose of being a patrons is to provide support for the creator to work on their project so they can commission other people for help and be able to gain an income themselves. In return patrons are given rewards or perks like extra art or being able to influence the project's growth. When DK had a falling out with cursemark, he immediately went to the next artist who gave him a answer right away to work on the new art for Extracurricular. This was a bad decision as DK should had told his patrons the situation about curesemark first, and the project will have to be on hold until he has surveyed a new list of artist and let his patrons vote on who they would like to do the new art work for Extracurricular. I lost interest because the writing was going down him but I think the new art played a role in it as well for others.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/03 12:07:26 No.1584446
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I think I'm done after this month. It was a nice ride, and there were plenty of moments where the writing really nailed it, but the lack of structure in the game design itself has finally killed my interest. My advice to Dyne would be to wrap up EA and start another project, and put into practice he learned from making EA.

Things he should keep in mind:
-Keep each day for the route at roughly the same length, no more "short days." Each day should be approximately the same duration to read at a comfortable pace.
-Plan for only having a set number of days from the beginning, ex. each route will conclude after 20 days, no exceptions.
-Stick to a small cast again, and don't promise to add additional ones until the others are completed.

Other things like the side activities and QTEs need to be polished as well, here's my two cents. Honestly, I think Dyne just lost a sense of scope as the project went on.
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Chester hayes Bobby Barrack 2019/05/11 21:44:17 No.1588119
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What happened to Chester during his incident?
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Extacurricular Activities Chester 2019/05/12 18:35:27 No.1588466
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This game needs less unnecessary tennis and more necessary penis...
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Furrynomous 2019/05/12 19:40:55 No.1588486
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>>1588466
sounds like you're only looking for artwork and not story
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Furrynomous 2019/05/13 19:10:49 No.1588790
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>>1584296
Just left him after over 2 years of support. You summed up my own issues, art changes was harsh and stories have been diluting and becoming more generic. I get the feeling Chibi-marrow leaving was both avoidable and not nearly enough communication was given prior to it (given indications that the issues with CM and Dynewulf were going on for a while).

Crucially I think the stories, once going unique and spicy, are now like a soap opera of generic drama's and forced issues. As an example, Coach's route started and seemed to be going on a route of a recent divorcee with closeted gay feelings needing a caring yet vibrant partner to love him, but whose youth and position as a student caused issues. It appeared the dialogue choices would determine if he would end up a doting husbando or a kinky "bear" bear. Now there is a soap-opera homicidal homophobic wife, what looks like a singular path with just a "bottom" or "top" ending, with everyone just accepting the coupling of a student to a teacher far older than him (no real sign of complex arc on the age issue) and many other issues.

Edited at 2019/05/13 19:12:16
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Furrynomous 2019/05/14 00:06:55 No.1588901
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>>1588790

For me the writing, while interesting started to drag on and on, also before the artwork shift updates were slow and inconsistent in length. I immediately dropped when there was the artwork shift and suddenly the MC was a human (and not a good looking one at that. I don't think CGB does good humans at -all-). I enjoyed the self insert sort of deal, then the promise if you can be furry or human but haven't seen the former at all.

If you don't pick the correct choices for some even mundane things, like how many cards to bring, or what food to get, when there's no way to know what the character likes in context, it's awful design. If you want me to bring a cake, or pick a fine dining place, show the character has an interest in that. Mention the restaurant offhand in conversation. Something to reference. It's just bad design.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/26 23:31:47 No.1649991
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These are definately one of my issues with the game as well. Alot of the issues should have been resolved but they go on. Coach went from my favorite route to someone i can barely stand due to the psycho-ex drama. It became so comical that i couldnt look at him the same anymore. I missed a man picking up the peices of his life after his wife left him, not a man dealing with a stalker ex, that whole drama was shoved down your throat farther than what he did to MC on night 20.

The art work is another gripe for me as well, while i do like CGB i personally don't think his style fits the scope of ExA. There are other artist who could fill the hole that CM left. Personally he should have had the patrons voted for who should be the replacement instead of him automatically bringing in CGB onto the project after his fallout with CM. While the game is faring better than Blackgate, my interest is starting to wane.
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Furrynomous 2020/02/04 21:08:39 No.1709526
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can someone share the latest build 1.94 plz??
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Furrynomous 2020/06/21 03:02:55 No.1770616
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anyone got the full guide for Harold?
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Furrynomous 2020/06/21 08:29:02 No.1770730
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Just go over in his patreon, it should be free
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Furrynomous 2020/06/23 22:13:39 No.1772033
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i still dont understand the whole "big huge muscle/chubby dudes playing tennis". like..has he ever seen a tennis player? theyre usually always lean. dont get me wrong, im into the characters designs but..it feels super out of place. also im like 80% sure the writer has a thing again skinny dudes cause the only thin guy is the psycho zebra guy whos suuuper flamboyantly gay.
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Furrynomous 2020/07/01 13:49:36 No.1776439
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Burly dudes can play it for fun or have it as a hobby. But for competition... yeah, that's a handicap.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/12 16:12:11 No.1815948
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Oy, I know this is a long shot since this thread is dead as hell, but does anyone have the latest patreon update? Shitty game from a shitty writer, but I'm bored out of my mind.

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