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Homecoming: Morenatsu Revisited Furrynomous 2019/04/02 15:53:55 No.1571103   
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Old Revisited thread is dead, but the game lives on as Homecoming.

Updates seem to be every other month now, discuss them here.
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Homecoming: Morenatsu Revisited Furrynomous 2019/04/02 15:53:57 No.1571104
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>>1571103
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 17:50:15 No.1571143
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Much as I appreciate Shun not being jailbait any more, I really dislike his hipster look. And Torahiko looks more like an anorexic than an athlete. That 0% body fat look is kinda disgusting.

I'll admit, I was disappointed that Morenatsu flopped with only 3 routes left. But after so long, I'm definitely in camp "Please Just Let It Die Already." Especially since any fan game can't actually preserve the characters, setting, or proper emotions.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 19:50:49 No.1571193
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>>1571143

Anorexic is definitely not the word to describe the tiger. He's just smaller than the typical male in a bara romance visual novel
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 20:27:01 No.1571216
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Uhh... when your head is as thick, or thicker than your waist, I'd say anorexic is a very kind word to use.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 20:51:10 No.1571223
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>>1571103

Torahiko can only look like this or bigger, didn't you know? All 17 year olds look like this you degenerates
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 21:38:06 No.1571285
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>>1571223

Torahiko Revisited and Torahiko 1.0 have almost the same body type. The major difference is the newer one's complete lack of body fat.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/02 22:33:46 No.1571298
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>>1571223

Fun fact: Some 17 year olds do look like this but obviously rare and only if they had the build and proper training
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Furrynomous 2019/04/03 00:50:37 No.1571325
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Come one people, I loved the old design a shit ton too, but we have to admit to some things at some point. Hm...maybe that's why I don't touch any of the newer Morenatsu projects...I figured they just couldn't recapture the masterpiece that was the OG

Still wishing it was finished
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Furrynomous 2019/04/03 03:17:28 No.1571353
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I'll say give it a try

the art is never going to be the same as the original game but that is to be expected. The story however is much better imo
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Furrynomous 2019/04/03 05:12:18 No.1571392
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I don't dislike Torahiko's redesign tbh, it's more of a swimmer build than his previous body was
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Furrynomous 2019/04/03 05:50:23 No.1571395
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>>1571392

my brother is on his high schools swim team, and all of them are twiggy. Homecoming Torahiko is fucking jacked for a swimmer, especially one that's not even a pro
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Furrynomous 2019/04/03 22:51:45 No.1571678
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>>1571395
And OG Tora looks like >>1571325

Not exactly "twiggy" either.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/04 03:11:15 No.1571737
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How many times can a dead series be revived until it's finally laid to rest?
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Furrynomous 2019/04/04 20:45:24 No.1572046
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>>1571678

At least from what been revealed in the story so far, Torahiko is mainly a swimmer

So unless we are just wanting bara style for bara's sake, it wouldn't make sense for him to be anywhere near as big as his OG sprite

There was however a morenatsu remake that had Torahiko look as big as an Extracurricular Activities character, but I think they're gone now
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Furrynomous 2019/04/06 12:14:29 No.1572683
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I love swimming. I think that's the best homecomming you can have
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Furrynomous 2019/04/06 14:59:30 No.1572771
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Im so use to seeing Tora a bit bulkier than this. Making the comparison between OG tora and this new tora, he looks like that he is deathly ill...
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Furrynomous 2019/04/06 18:31:59 No.1572855
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>"Realistic" bodytypes in a game about dating walking, talking anthropomorphic animals
Doesn't mean I want hyper shit but this is definitely kinda lame desu
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Furrynomous 2019/04/06 21:00:18 No.1572895
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>>1572855

Having one "unrealistic" element in a game (or novel or film etc) doesn't mean the whole thing can never be grounded.

Blacksad has walking, talking, anthropomorphic animals, but still has very grounded designs, that, if you abstracted the animalistic features, would be considered realistic, same goes for Circles, and tons of other media (furry or not).

Now, whether you like it or not is something else entirely, but the argument that just because there are furries in the game, it means that it can never be grounded or based on reality is kinda asinine. I tend to prefer more realistic designs, so it's definitely a question of preferences.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/07 23:34:36 No.1573330
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>>1572895
Morenatsu was never overly grounded. It has wacky japanese humor all over it. This project that intends to fix and surpass the original deviates far too much from what the game was initially intended to be.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/08 02:17:40 No.1573382
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>>1571103
Jesus Christ this looks awful.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/09 08:54:52 No.1573902
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Oh boy, here we go again. More discussions about how terrible this shit is. Definitely reminds me of Captaingerbear's work drama on the ExtracurricularActivities thread.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/09 09:22:05 No.1573909
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It will never end, hence why not just make their own visual novel? Maybe with a more interesting topic because I played through this and it is boring as hell without the stupid quirky Japanese shit that made the original at least somewhat entertaining.

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Furrynomous 2019/04/10 06:09:48 No.1574351
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>>1571103
Seems like a lot of effort that could be put into making something original instead of bastardizing a group of xenophobic jap’s failed passion project under the narccisstic guise of “I can totally do it better guys”.

Also lol @ hiro being replaced by the writer’s self-insert fursona.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/10 10:16:50 No.1574414
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>>1574351
won't disagree with the first part but
>self insert fursona
the guy's 'sona is a dragon, at least look up some stuff so you don't look retarded
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Furrynomous 2019/04/25 04:53:21 No.1581380
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>>1573330
This is something i completely agree with. At most I can accept that this is some alternate world and not the one the original game portrayed it to be.

It just strays too far from the source material for me to call it completing the game and keeping the original flair. I appreciate and am impressed by the effort the makers are putting in; its just hard to consider it anything more than a spin off.
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Furrynomous 2019/04/25 18:12:49 No.1581567
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>>1581380

Uhh, isn't that exactly what they're saying it is?


>>1574414

It seems the guy is going by "ZanderWolfie" now from what the links lead to. Hiroyuki is a fox now I guess but it's still kinda weird imo
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Furrynomous 2019/04/30 02:09:15 No.1583069
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the og dickriders in here are the reason Dynewulf hates his old fans

Homecoming actually does a lot right that the original game didn’t or half-assed
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 01:41:56 No.1584688
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>>1571143
Shun should've stayed how he was, it's just not the same if it isn't
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 03:02:04 No.1584708
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>>1583069

Homecoming can't really be compared to Morenatsu any more than it can be compared to Adastra. They're different games. In this case, though, Homecoming is just aping preexisting characters and trying to say they're gonna do it right.

They're honestly doing themselves a massive disservice by trying to tie this to a game that's been dead for a decade when the team is very clearly able to just make their own VN. This cannot by any stretch of one's imagination recreate the feeling of the original. And it shouldn't try.

(Also, Dynewulf hates his old fans because they remind him he used to be a creative writer instead of just an art whore with one specific fetish, but that doesn't have anything to do with this).
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 04:09:05 No.1584718
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>>1584708

What is his one fetish? Now I'm curious.

In the title card I thought Torahiko looked okay, until I saw that he just loses half of his stomach. Even turning there shouldn't be a concave to the right curve on his left side.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/04 08:42:58 No.1584755
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Does anyone have a download link for the music they are willing to share?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 08:34:36 No.1585772
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I really don't see the problem with the designs imo, I love bara as much as the next guy but these are totally acceptable/more realistic designs for what these guys are going for.

I greatly appreciate the removal of the pedo route and making the protagonist less of an absolute creep as well
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 20:11:55 No.1585985
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>>1585938

Shun is definitely the top thing to complain about but he isn't the only one. Kounosuke had a fucking trashfire route too

Honestly the only thing people here ever complain about is the art, but beyond that what exactly is Homecoming NOT doing better than the original?
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 20:55:52 No.1586009
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>>1585937

Tatsuki was 19
Juuichi was 18
Shin, Tora, Kouya was 17
Kouno and Shun was 16
Sou was 15

I feel like Shuns route would have been less creepy if there was more emphasis on the fact that they Kodori family is VERY strict on tradition and structure.

Look at Ten, he got his scars from training with a real sword and he's just the secondary family.

Shun was extremely sheltered and was most likely conditioned "as the book" said, pretty sure it was implied the reason Gaku moved away was because of the "Guide Book" incident, and that's why he gave it to Hiroyuki so he'd be gentle.

But the dialogue was awful between the two of them in that scene and definitely needed to be rewritten and less "MY PENIS FEELS WEIRD"
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Furrynomous 2019/05/06 22:36:25 No.1586042
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It was not just that one scene though. Shuns entire route emphasizes that he behaves in a manner indistinguishable from an extremely young child. And Hiroyuki constantly remarks on how “cute” he is

The excuse that he’s actually 16 was just a way to establish a safety net so the MC could seduce and have sex with what was essentially a young child. That might be acceptable to the Japanese developers, but its certainly a giant blemish on Morenatsu everywhere else

Homecoming doing away with the original interpretation of Shun was the best move they could have made
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Furrynomous 2019/05/08 14:32:20 No.1586618
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>>1585985

Stealing characters they're incapable of writing faithfully, altering the narrative because of cultural backlash, and the "director" trying to play off him plagiarizing this to make a quick buck as if it's his own unique vision.

Basically, calling it "Morenatsu" when it objectively isn't.

Even ignoring/arguing against any of that, what more does a visual novel need to do poorly besides the art for it to be complained about? Especially on this site, where people will actively go out of their way to look for things to complain about.

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Furrynomous 2019/05/08 17:40:10 No.1586691
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>>1586618

you do know the people making this aren't making any money from this whatsoever and it's completely free right.
its not like that Morenatsu Rework thing where it was a total scam
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Furrynomous 2019/05/09 07:17:10 No.1586911
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>>1586618

>implying you can scam someone with a free game

Boy oh boy. Maybe the director should just quit after all. I couldn't imagine being surrounded by such retards on the internet, nevermind the pedo-Shun defenders

Mr. Dragon Guy, you're dealing with a lot of flaming homosexualry I know. Just know not all of us are gay autistic manchildren, and that section of us appreciates you
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Furrynomous 2019/05/09 08:29:13 No.1586923
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>>1586911
>it's not a scam if it's free REEE

getting triggered over a half-baked work doesn't support it
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Furrynomous 2019/05/09 08:48:02 No.1586927
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>>1586923

And exactly what is to come out of that? Fact is Morenatsu is dead and the original creators walked away from it. Morenatsu is never, and I repeat, never going to be finished nor thought about again

That being said this group is making some kind of effort. It's true that the art is jarring to look at if all you've known was the original, and to some it could honestly be seen as bad compared to the original

But that said, clearly the art surpasses a lot of other visual novels. Repeats art is pretty dogshit if you ask me, and although I like Adastra Id say Homecoming has a better grip on its art

And true, that could be because its ripping off an already established character. But again, nobody wants to touch Morenatsu aside from these guys. Or at least anybody worth a damn, because there has clearly been scams before regarding Morenatsu.

Homecoming to my knowledge has never had any demos behind some kind of pay wall. If it still qualifies as a scam somehow then EA might want to call these guys and get good advice
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Furrynomous 2019/05/09 15:11:52 No.1587073
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>>1586927

The "quality" of the art is subjective. I find Haps' art in Adastra to be far superior, and Shirokoi's work with Repeat is at least more consistent than Homecoming's art (the sprites and the faces on the text box are redundant and look like they're from two different artists).

And most other people don't want to touch Morenatsu because they recognize that it's pointless. Homecoming can't be judged on its own merits even if the VN itself is incredibly different from Morenatsu specifically because they're copying a dead project's name and characters. And that's unfortunate because they're very obviously skilled enough to just make an entirely new project.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/09 17:50:24 No.1587151
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>>1587073
> they're very obviously skilled enough to just make an entirely new project.


The saddest Part of this thing.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/09 19:58:23 No.1587201
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>>1587073

The big question is, why the hell haven't just made their own original story? It's offputting that they're just making another Morenatsu clone for giggles and half-baked 'justice'.
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Art style Furrynomous 2019/05/10 15:26:10 No.1587443
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the artstyle itself isn't really an issue. but the current artist could use some more lessons on drawing proper body proportions.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/11 15:17:50 No.1587955
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>>1586719

That’s another unfortunate aspect of this. A lot of improvements will likely go ignored unless you’re truly a diehard for this vn. The original Morenatsu casts an incredibly long shadow, and nostalgia can be a bitch
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Furrynomous 2019/05/11 15:26:32 No.1587960
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I think most people can agree that Homecoming has a few incredibly strong moments. The new version of Hiroyuki is a much more likable character, the more serious tone in regard to Shin’s illness is refreshing, the music is truly catchy, and of course THAT route is being completely scrapped and remade with a much more mature character. But since Morenatsu was the first of its kind, nostalgia dictates how you can accept depictions of characters like Torahiko. I’m not saying it’s fair, but I will say the backlash is understandable.
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Furrynomous 2019/05/12 20:10:34 No.1588493
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while alot of the ideas i was questionable about at first, after playing the demo i'm willing to see how this goes
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Furrynomous 2019/07/08 18:15:37 No.1611292
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>>1585938
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>>1586042
Age of consent is 13 in Japan, stop fucking complaining about things you have no idea and understanding about
It's like going to a Chinese restaurant and saying it's racist that they don't serve American food in America
You need to respect their culture
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Furrynomous 2019/07/08 20:48:19 No.1611324
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>>1611292
>age of consent in Japan is 13
>I, too, can look at random messages on the internet and come to a conclusion with no further research or context, and pretend I am superior to someone for knowing a culture that I literally know nothing about
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Furrynomous 2019/07/09 04:37:02 No.1611485
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>>1611292
Among minors or minors+adults?
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Furrynomous 2019/07/09 07:18:54 No.1611526
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>>1611292
Only on furry boards will we see people defending some of the creepiest Chris Hansen interactions in a visual novel lol
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Furrynomous 2019/07/09 10:19:38 No.1611556
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>>1611526

>> Anything I find minorly questionable about a different culture's history and traditions is objectively creepy af because of my own personal hangups.

The lowest age of consent in Japan is indeed 13, though this is only on a "national" level. In almost every prefecture, laws varies between 15-18, and there's no "close to age" consideration. Anyone over 18 is an adult, so only Tatsuki and Juuichi are too old to be in a relationship with the rest of the original cast.

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I do agree that Shun's original incarnation needed work, given that he looked and acted considerably younger than he was supposed to be, but "annoying bitch hipster" probably wasn't the best choice for a redesign.

And this is a little personal niggle, but I always hate when they include profile shots over the text box of who's talking. Especially if it's by a different artist than the one who made the sprites. It usually looks awful and it's distracting and unnecessary.

I've never said this doesn't have the potential to be a decent, or even good, remake. But as people have pointed out before, there's almost no way it can't be compared to the original, and it just can't stand up to that in a lot of ways.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/17 07:37:23 No.1617158
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>>1611556

Yeah that sucks. It took me a while to get used to the art but besides that everything in Homecoming is better. But Morenatsu was the first of its kind so recommending people play a remake of something they already believe is perfect is hard indeed
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Furrynomous 2019/07/17 09:28:09 No.1617171
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>>1617158
I wouldn't strictly say "better" since a lot of it is lifted straight from the original. It's just "more." Unfortunately, the crap art kind of stunts its potential as a VISUAL novel, but the writing for the routes that were unreleased previously so far isn't awful. Gonna have to wait until it's done to see if it really stands up.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/17 21:13:11 No.1617437
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>>1611556
Hey, I'm the lead artist for the project!
I'm sorry to see you don't like some of the art on the project, although I can testify that all the profile faces are made by the artist who worked on the actual sprite, so there wasn't any "mixing" done, let's say (and also, there are two artists working on the project right now). Still, we'll keep this piece of criticism in mind in the future.

You should also be able to turn off those profile faces in the option menu if they aren't to your liking.
Thanks for playing the game, though, it's always nice to see people give us a chance!
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Furrynomous 2019/07/18 01:46:39 No.1617480
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>>1617437

Hey, first off, thanks for being chill. This site can get to people pretty bad and it's nice to see someone acting reasonable in the face of harsh criticism.

Second, I strongly recommend you don't take my comments as anything more than what they are; needless whining from some internet rando. For the most part, the demo as it exists is entirely passable. The art isn't my favorite, but all things considered, it isn't even remotely "bad." The bits that weren't in the original aren't terrible, but it's pretty easy to tell what you guys lifted almost verbatim out of it and what you changed and added yourselves, even though the original died more than a decade ago. I honestly feel like you guys would just do better to make a new project instead of trying to revive this relic again, but it's your time and skills to do with as you please.

Edited at 2019/07/18 01:50:11
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Furrynomous 2019/07/18 20:01:02 No.1617796
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>>1617480
Well, it's unfortunate not everybody enjoys the game as much as I enjoy working on it, but this wasn't what we expected going in either. The original is really well liked (for good reasons too, although working on this and having had the chance to examine the original even further and at greater length has shown me cracks that I would have never seen if I hadn't), so we knew people wouldn't be necessarily happy if we changed things, even if it they were necessary to some degree (or simply born from different perspectives on Morenatsu).

Although, as far as I remember, most of the game's dialogue has been rewritten (though a fair portion of the story is untouched, the writing itself was pretty heavily altered), although it stands to reason that there'd be similar moments to the original.

And we are actually working on our own project on the side, so I hope you can look forward to that, and see how we fare on something we can really go crazy with.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/19 01:41:41 No.1618133
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>>1617437
Hey, I may be in the minority here but I do genuinely enjoy what you're doing dude, I understand why people are disappointed that it isn't as bara anymore but I really like it as its own thing, an alternate more realistic style considering their ages.

Not that people's gripes aren't valid with their own likes n tastes n stuff, but I just wanted to say that I'm genuinely enjoying what you guys are doing, and really looking forward to seeing it continue more and more
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Furrynomous 2019/07/20 18:09:13 No.1618927
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>>1618133
Thanks a lot, glad to hear it!

>>1618088
Not gonna lie, that image made me laugh a lot, though I totally get why some people aren't into the main character (although I personally really enjoy working on him, more so than a faceless human).
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Furrynomous 2019/07/21 16:08:45 No.1619421
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>>1618927
>I totally get why some people aren't into the main character
It just shows how little you guys behind this understand the point of Morenatsu, or VNs like this in general. It doesn't feel like a love letter from fans of Morenatsu, it feels like a soulless attempt at banking on names to get attention to your team's own OC. It leaves a bad taste in a lot of fan's mouths.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/21 17:16:25 No.1619456
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>>1618927
I was willing to give this VN a chance until I started playing and realized the player-insert MC has been replaced by (the writer's? whose) DONUT STEEL special snowflake OC with "special kitsune heritage".

Totally ruins the entire thing, which is a massive disappointment, since people have been waiting for something like a Morenatsu continuation project for years.

I know it won't have any impact on your thinking or your team's work, but I would seriously reconsider that you scrap the OC in favor of a bland, generic human MC, like in the original Morenatsu.

Also:
>although I personally really enjoy working on him, more so than a faceless human

Of course you do, he's you guy's OC, not ours.


>>1619421
This, honestly. Using a blatant OC rather than a bland self-insert for an MC is a slap in the face for the fans, and makes one unable to even enjoy the VN. It's dumb.

It makes me wonder if anyone on the team even bothered playing the original Morenatsu.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/21 19:44:46 No.1619517
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>>1619421
I apologize for the long reply that's incoming, I just thought I'd cover up all the points I could.

I see that the reimagining of Hiroyuki into a snow fox is a big problem for some. Like, I said, that's perfectly fine, but I do have to say that he is not a previous OC we had made up and then inserted into the game. He can be qualified as an "original character", but then again, so can Torahiko's uncles, and they have been received extremely well. We went through several design changes for him, and eventually settled on a snow fox for multiple reasons, all stemming from a long chain of circumstances.

- First, humans were written out of the narrative for various reasons (which I won't get into unless asked, as it would turn this into an even longer post).
- So, we decided on a fox because Hiroyuki, as well as Torahiko and Kounosuke, were known to be little terrors as kids, and became "legendary pranksters". Now, in Japan, foxes (or kitsune) are commonly referred to in legends as tricksters, so we naturally were drawn to foxes.
- His fur color is white (and he is an artic fox) both as a tongue-in-cheek reference to how much Hiroyuki complains about the heat (when everyone else seems pretty fine about it), as well as his name containing the word "Yuki" in it (snow). It seemed like a fitting name, and allowed us to give Torahiko a more affectionate nickname he would call Hiroyuki, since he is best friend (and has a massive crush on him).
- Rolling off the last point, we wanted to keep the name "Hiroyuki Nishimura", but wanted to give it more of a meaning than just "named after the founder of 2chan", hence why the snow fox idea was something we all really latched onto.
- And finally, like I said we all liked the design and the idea. While this seem like a more minor point, we all try to be on the same page when working on this game, so we always have someone keeping the others in check.

I also cannot prove how much we "understand the point of Morenatsu", but I can guarantee we did not make Homecoming with the idea of promoting our team's OC. We simply chose to give more character (and a face) to Hiroyuki, so he'd be more of a character in the story. I know some people can only identify with these faceless protagonists, but I've honestly never had any trouble identifying (or roleplaying) as a character with more personality. I know for some, the main appeal of these dating sim VNs is that they can pretend they are the ones dating all these hot guys, hence the faceless human trope, but I've always preferred seeing the interaction of these characters, ever since I've played Morenatsu almost ten years ago.

Making Hiroyuki more consistent was a big part on why he was rewritten like this. He was, honestly, pretty unevenly written in the original, and varied wildly between being a complete asshole in Kounosuke's route, somewhat likeable in Shin's and Juuichi's (until he rapes them, that is), and an absolute push-over in Kouya's route (where he notably even denies climate change). It was honestly quite a challenge to settle on *who* exactly Hiroyuki was, due to this completely different interpretations by the different OG writers. Ours takes his best aspect from several routes and add some of our own spices: he's a lonely kid who is sitting at a crossroad in his life (being right at the end of high school), and takes the opportunity of going back to Minasato to "find himself", so to speak. In a way, his journey mirrors what a lot of us went through when we first played Morenatsu, and we hope to reflect that by making it even more personal and relatable. What I'm trying to get across is regardless if he ended up furry or not, he was going to be written the way we wrote him.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 09:50:03 No.1619714
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Nobody is playing this game because of your autistic OC, they're doing it for thhe cast of romanceable characters. Stop trying this hard to make your shitty DONUT STEEL the focus of anyting, because nobody's here for him. If you like him so much, then by all means draw him or make separate artwork of him, but don't shove it into Morenatsu and force it on us, the fans.

Also, are you retarded? The name Hiroyuki Nishimura was originally chosen because its a common Japanese placeholder name, just like 'John Smith' in English. It doesn't even matter, though, because you can change the MCs name in the original Morenatsu.

Your convoluted, roundabout post makes it clear you're autistically bent on shoving this shit OC nobody wants. Also, your supposed 'puns' are cringey, and make no sense in Jaoanese, because that's not how Japanese naming conventions or nicknames work.

Way to ruin this for the fans, you self-absorbed autist.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 10:46:49 No.1619731
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What a dumpster fire of a project.

I heard about this through the revitalized /mg/ threads on 4ch, but it was such a let-down to see how the dev team's bent on having the shitty OC in and having humans out (not only the human MC) because autism.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 11:02:43 No.1619733
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>>1619731
This. Hiroyuki/MC is clearly human as depicted in the original game. Messing with that is messing with the original game's vision. You're meant to be you, going back to this nostalgic village you lived in as a kid. You only interact with beastmen, sure, but humans exist alongside them. If this is a 'revisit everyone' plot then you're gonna be that human who went there one summer. No exceptions.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 11:15:46 No.1619736
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Geez, the comments on here is ... wow. I don't think you guys need to explain yourselves too hard because believe me, nothing's gonna change their mind. For some of more rabid fanbase, Morenatsu is this Holy Grail of perfectness that shouldn't even be touched. While I do have a few complaints (for example, I don't like that the name of the protagonist can't be changed anymore), I don't think this is a bad remake.

ps. Calling someone an autist as an insult? Now that's just sad.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 12:36:45 No.1619750
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>>1619731
>>1619733
Ah, well, I see I can't convince you guys, but I wasn't really expecting to, I just wanted to explain our perspective on it. I've always thought that remakes/reimaginings shouldn't try to be exactly like the original, because, well, the original already exists, and it's a pointless exercise to try to copy exactly what a previous team has done (just like that Psycho remake that remade the movie shot-for-shot but with different actors: it didn't add anything nor did it have anything to say or add about the original). It's not a point of view everyone shares, and I'm aware of that.

In the end, this is ultimately a fan-project made by a couple guys, we don't have anything special but a few sets of skills we put to use to make this project a reality.
Nothing is really stopping anyone from making their own remakes that's exactly to their liking (and as we have seen, we're far from being the only remake around).

Hopefully, you guys find something that'll be what you want out of another fan project (there's that Torahiko route a Japanese team just finished that looks pretty good.)
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 13:18:01 No.1619776
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>>1619750
>...shouldn't try to be exactly like the original, because, well, the original already exists

The original isn't even complete.

And please, tell us your surely esoteric reason for ditching humans from the game, I'm sure it's for some deep and unfathomable reason.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 13:31:36 No.1619778
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>>1619750
Have you ever even played the original Morenatsu? Because I'm beginning to doubt that.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 17:54:29 No.1619859
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>>1619750
Okay so first off,a lot of the comments here are just ridiculously out of line, but that is just what you tend to get here. Honestly, I think what you are doing is rather admirable and I will definitely continue to follow the project.

With that out of the way, I suppose what might be setting some people off is that to come in and redo a very popular project and say you are going to fix its flaws...it might come off as a little arrogant. I suppose this all comes back to the - you should do your own project - argument, but that is not what you are doing, so that is that. I do hope you guys consider doing something original if you are able to finish this one up though.

Edited at 2019/07/22 18:01:30
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 19:00:12 No.1619883
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>>1619869
I'm not, a bit too late to prove that. I don't like being a tripfag, and even if I used a name, it wouldn't shield from the accusation of samefagging. Up to you to believe if I am or not.

>>1619859
Thanks for the support, though we never said we were fixing its flaws. I acknowledged there were flaws, and in some roundabout way, we're "fixing" them, but it's never been a focus point of how we talked about the game. The changes are mainly there because we aren't the original devs and we made changes to stuff we thought we'd like to see.

>>1619714
> The name Hiroyuki Nishimura was originally chosen because its a common Japanese placeholder name, just like 'John Smith' in English.
I had to check to see if you were telling the truth about this (I could have made a mistake), but I'm fairly certain the equivalent of John Smith in Japan is Yamada Taro (I've also heard of Nanno Nanigashi and Nanashi no Gombei). I'm fairly certain I remember reading about Hiroyuki Nishimura being picked due to the game having been made on 2chan, and they wanted to use that name as in-joke.

Edited at 2019/07/22 19:03:38
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 19:35:07 No.1619885
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>>1619869
You are the one spamming the thread with shitty comments and memes. You dislike the project, we get it. Why not now move on to something you do like?

>>1619883

Understood. Anyway, hopefully you are getting better feedback elsewhere. It is pretty useless here at this point tbh.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/22 19:41:46 No.1619889
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>You are the one spamming the thread with shitty comments and memes

Nah m8, it's not just one person. I'm a different poster, and I also think this project is a retarded. The /mg/ thread on 4chan right now is full of people making fun of the kitsune OC.

Also:
>shilling
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 01:17:42 No.1620048
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Hiroyuki's original name didn't actually contain the kanji that means "snow" though, even if one form of "yuki" does. The original spelling (which I can't use on this board because it doesn't support moonrunes) contained the Kanji form of "yuki" that means "go." His given name in its original spelling literally means "lead widely, go," an allusion to him moving away.

And the choice of naming him after the dude who founded 2chan was an injoke with the development team because the game was originally made on 2chan. It wasn't just named after him randomly.

And while kitsune were occasionally depicted as trickster spirits, they were more commonly thought of as devoted friends, passionate lovers, and faithful servants.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 08:10:15 No.1620181
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>>1619517
Are you retarded? The name 'Hiroyuki' doesn't have the character for snow at all. Your whole "arctic fox/snow" thing makes zero sense, on top of being cringey as fuck.

Do you know anything about Japanese, you inbred mong? Just because there's a phonetic similarity does not mean the word is actually represented with the same character, or that they even mean the same thing. Also, calling him 'Yuki' would make no sense.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 10:22:13 No.1620209
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Hey, thanks for pointing that out, however, we are already aware of all that. I won't say I'm fluent in Japanese in any way (I only know the basics), as you've pointed out, but a member of our team is.

We're aware his name originally meant "to go and obtain". However, we've chosen an alternate spelling of the name (which is composed of the kanji "Hiroshi" and "Yuki", which can be shortened to Hiroyuki). Together, they mean "prosperous snow", which we found to be a fitting name: an alternate spelling to show it isn't the same Hiroyuki from the original, and that makes sense with his new design. I understand how my explanation earlier was confusing.

>>1620048
>And the choice of naming him after the dude who founded 2chan was an injoke with the development team because the game was originally made on 2chan. It wasn't just named after him randomly.

I'm not quite sure what you're pointing out. I've repeated this fact twice already, so I am aware of why it was chosen. I was explaining it again because someone said that "The name Hiroyuki Nishimura was originally chosen because its a common Japanese placeholder name, just like 'John Smith' in English", which I'm pretty sure isn't true, or at least, I haven't found anything related to it.

>And while kitsune were occasionally depicted as trickster spirits, they were more commonly thought of as devoted friends, passionate lovers, and faithful servants.
Which also describes Hiroyuki fairly well (apart from the servant part, of course). When he comes back to Minasato, he proves himself to be a devoted friend and a passionate lover (well, for the little time they can share together). I think it was quite a fitting specie for him.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/23 10:37:08 No.1620216
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Human would fit him better

t.knower
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Furrynomous 2019/07/24 00:15:47 No.1620542
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The obsession some furries have with their OCs is so unbelievable that it stretches the imagination.

>blah blah special snow kitsune blah

Kill it with fire.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/24 07:45:55 No.1620669
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I don't like human protagonists in these furry VNs myself, I liked the change
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Furrynomous 2019/07/24 09:38:30 No.1620685
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>>1620669
Sounds like a personal thing, don't force your fursona shit on us just because you hate yourself.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/24 18:54:08 No.1620877
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It's almost like these are "furry" visual novels lmao

It's just a preference dude, the fantasy furry stuff is hot, hence why I and I imagine others look at these boards, I can deal with a human mc but I'm not gonna whine about it like people are doing with this furry mc
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Furrynomous 2019/07/24 20:48:39 No.1620925
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This is not a matter of "he was a human mc now he's a furry mc lmao", they completely murdered the original character and replaced with an OC. Such a choice would be heavily controversial.

Anyways, I'm not the anon you replied. It's their project and I couldn't care less.

Edited at 2019/07/24 21:03:33
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Furrynomous 2019/07/25 05:44:47 No.1621070
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Do you mean this character existed outside of the game as someone's oc first? Or just that he's written differently than the original mc cus the original mc in Morenatsu was incredibly uncomfortable/creepy/rapey and also really stupid a lot, which from what I understand is kinda a trait in these Japan/Taiwan VNs

I understand having nostalgia for the original, it was my first furry VN too that i fell in love with as a hormone addled teenager, but being a lot older now I can see just how bad and flawed Morenatsu was lol, I really don't think I could ever play through an entire route again cus it's just so messily written with too many creepy/off putting moments, is kinda why I've been excited for a rewrite like this since it could fix a lot of problems I have with it, and it has from the bits I've read that have been changed.

It's totally valid to dislike art style changes or human mc now furry mc based on the individual's taste, but it just bums me out to see people acting like it's objectively awful when the original, without rose tinted goggles, is pretty freakin bad with the standards other VNs have set.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/25 11:52:59 No.1621157
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It's retarded because the dev team's basis for making the change aren't even reasonable. Also, placing the OC essentially steals the game from the fans and makes it all about the dev team: they have a connection to the OC, they feel the thrill of seeing their OC romance baras
The fans don't give a shit about the OC, and have no connection to it. Whereas they could previously self-insert as with the "generic human 10202", now they're just forced to watch the dev team's gestalt do that for them.

And what the Hell is with the inability to name the character? It's already been established the dev team is comprised of retards who don't know shit about Japanese. Their reason for forcing the Hiroyuki name with the supposedly 'new twist' is beyond retarded.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/25 13:59:53 No.1621227
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Good. Hiroyuki was the worst part of Morenatsu. In Kouya's route they literally give him selective amnesia, lol. In all the art, they're afraid of giving him even a single defining feature, for fear that the player won't imprint on this empty shell of a character.
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Furrynomous 2019/07/26 00:57:13 No.1621424
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While I too dislike the not being able to name protagonist thing, I felt the design still kept the whole genericness thing to help self inserting, pretty sure I saw another VN do the same thing with like, a white wolf as the mc
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Furrynomous 2019/09/17 12:04:43 No.1646085
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>>1620542

Seek help. I'm serious. Even on the internet this type of behavior isn't needed.
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Furrynomous 2019/09/18 14:16:51 No.1646601
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Furrynomous 2020/01/16 09:17:13 No.1700912
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sorry to necro this but I just needed to vent a bit with you guys

with the newest update I tried to kind of "force" myself to play this game again and I swear to god I can't get over to what they did to Hiroyuki. I cringe so hard for real, I'd say it's the thing that drives me away the most from playing it.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/20 04:41:43 No.1819449
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I feel the same way, but then again, arent most MC in furry VNs cringey? It is hard to write someone you can relate to, I admit I play VNs only because I like other characters in them, but the constant desire to slap the MC every time they open their mouth is a strong one.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/21 02:40:55 No.1819910
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to be fair the MC in the original was pretty damn bad like 90% of the time, I don't see how they could make him worse than he is in the original but I still need to try this out
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Furrynomous 2021/01/15 14:05:33 No.1881617
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Did you know that Homecoming has already had some CGs of Juuichi's and Tatsuki's sex scene?
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Furrynomous 2021/01/15 17:15:46 No.1881699
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I don't get it, what exactly it is when compared to the original morenatsu? is this just an art re-design of the original game? are the stories the same or different? are the H scenes still in? are all the routes in the game (including those gay soccer dudes that never got a route in the original game) or is this unfinished?
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Furrynomous 2021/01/15 21:02:53 No.1881782
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It's a reimagining - same characters (slightly modified to make it less cringey), the story is revamped (some parts are similar, some are new) and all the routes are going to be completed (hopefully). I was hesitant at first but it grew on me
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Furrynomous 2021/01/16 10:03:38 No.1882038
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I mean, I just asked that someone has seen them because the routes are only at about the 8th day
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Furrynomous 2021/09/17 17:10:42 No.2010727
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I like the fact the writing is better and the characters seem to have more depth. Unfortunately, it's not as charming as the original Morenatsu and doesn't feel as authentic. Despite it's flaws (for which it had MANY), the original Morenatsu was a charming fucking bastard that also felt authentically Japanese while this feels less authentically Japanese and more like foreigners trying to tell you what Japan is like without properly understanding it.

It's sad because Santa Lucia proves the writers are extremely talented when able to work without restrictions like this. Sadly Homecoming is restricted by it's setting and the fact it's an existing story. It's still a good read though and the writing is a whole lot better than the original.
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Furrynomous 2021/09/17 17:27:33 No.2010733
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>>1571143

Problem solved (Sorry for the head's missing)

Edited at 2021/09/17 17:28:08
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Furrynomous 2021/09/21 22:56:09 No.2012316
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Yeah I'll stick with OG Morenatsu, unfinished as it may be, the designs are still leagues better to me than any I've seen in remakes. Still its inspiring to see some people still care about it

Edited at 2021/09/21 22:56:39

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