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Khemia Scipio 2020/08/01 04:59:29 No.1793419   
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Thread for the sequel to the VN Adastra, made by the Echo Team

Their patreon is here: https://www.patreon.com/EchoGame/

Their twitter is: https://twitter.com/EchoTheVN

Currently the prologue is available on the patreon.
Edited at 2020/08/01 04:59:57
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 05:00:52 No.1793420
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WIN https://www.mediafire.com/file/az2id02pa8erdfi/Khemia-1.0-pc.zip/file

MAC https://www.mediafire.com/file/w1fmikkytcpp4db/Khemia-1.0-mac.zip/file

Linux https://www.mediafire.com/file/ifangj1vs5rob0r/Khemia-1.0-linux.tar.bz2/file
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 05:03:13 No.1793422
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post the neferu ass cg because goddamn i'd let him sit on my face
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 05:08:57 No.1793424
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>>1793422
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 05:09:00 No.1793425
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 14:11:05 No.1793775
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>Expected a twink but he's fuckin built

I'm okay with this.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 14:53:39 No.1793792
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Pretty good
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 15:27:18 No.1793803
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I don't even like sheaths but God-damn, Neferu is fine.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 17:52:50 No.1793885
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God Scipio is so ugly, like I actually felt genuine disgust when they first showed his face.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 18:48:14 No.1793900
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 19:07:06 No.1793908
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Neferu is hot and all but are we going to ignore this cutie?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 20:33:35 No.1793971
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>>1793908
He cute, but so was Cato in Adastra, so im reserving myself until i see more of his personality, he did drop his (short) interaction in a hurry when he picked up on the potential homo if i read that scene right.

he thicc tho
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 20:37:24 No.1793973
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>>1793908
Which do you think is his fapping arm?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 20:44:44 No.1793977
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>>1793973
The flesh one, the mechanical one is for simultaneous self-assplay.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 20:48:46 No.1793978
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Scipio is already a much better character than Marcus ever was, even though he looks a bit too much like Amicus with a wig, freckles and glasses.
It was pretty good for a first release, and I'm glad we got to see Neferu's scrumptious booty cuz I wanna eat that shit.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 21:24:23 No.1793994
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as my english isn't that strong, i have hard time understanding the story.

1.i heard it has been 3 years since adastra. is that so? the way the pandemic happened felt like it has been only weeks since MC returned.

2.what happened at the end? with that black figure.


well generally. just tell a simplified story from start to finish haha
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 22:09:26 No.1794029
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I personally found it to be a disappointment in my opinion and I don't it's was because I so hyped for it to be a start of new story with him and not to be involved in anyway to the original story or characters. I also found Scipio to be very lackluster and I don't know why and I wish I could actually like his character.

Again this just my opinion...

Edited at 2020/08/01 22:18:28
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 22:46:26 No.1794044
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Marcus is over-hated in my opinion. I thought his brutal honesty was pretty refreshing. His moodiness was understandable considering the shitty situations he found himself in.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 22:52:41 No.1794046
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>>1794044
Likewise, Marcus was incredibly realistic and well written, part of the reason I liked Adastra so much cus it's self insert protag didn't fall into the same generic trap 90% of VN's fall into
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 23:02:37 No.1794049
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>>1794044
>>1794046
Agreed. The Adastra MC seemed both different from most VN protags while also being relatable enough.

I feel the only ones who hate him are the cringelords who inevitably felt the need to play as their shit OC fursona and who have an autism-driven hate of playing as humans because they unironically identify as their ugly, Gary Stu 'sona.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/01 23:33:39 No.1794060
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>>1794049
No, the problem with Marcus is that he wasn't likeable nor interesting. Sure you could argue that the circumstances made him act moody most of the time, but there being a reason for a character to act like a prick doesn't make him any more likeable, not to mention how inconsistent he could be, going from paranoid idiot to selfish simp in the span of half an update depending on what was going on around him.

The self insert thing is just personal taste, personally I hate how bland he was as a character, the only "personality traits" he ever showed were just contextual and not related to who he was back on Earth, we never got much of anything in that regard other than him having a certain opinion on wolven culture, no positive traits, no personal flaws, no backstory, nothing directly or indirectly related to who he was as a person and why we should care about him, unless you think that a character being deeply in love with someone makes him a good or interesting character somehow, so yeah, not good at all.

We obviously haven't seen a lot of Scipio yet in terms of his personality, but at the very least we have more context for him as a character since we've already seen strong reactions from him that show what kind of character he is, along with hints of him having an interesting backstory, and a bit of his personal interests, and considering that the game just released, that's already an improvement over Marcus.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 01:07:34 No.1794092
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>>1793994

1. Khemia begins 2 years and 4 months after Adastra ended. It's been 3 years since the riots that rocked Adastra when Cato temporarily took the throne.

2. An assassin snuck into the den Neferu and Scipio had rented for the night. Right before attacking, COM hit the assassin with one of those lethal laser beams. The attack was so intense it made the assassin explode into gory chunks. Scipio was awake right as it happened and the blood and gore was so intense it caused his PTSD to kick in and his mind went back to the riots. He was reliving one of his teachers having their skull smashed in by a rioter with a brick. Neferu had to snap Scipio out of it. Scipio was so shaken up he was worried they would take him off the Khemia-Adastra alliance diplomacy team.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 02:08:12 No.1794119
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Amicus will cheat on the MC during this game, guaranteed.

Screencap this.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 02:11:41 No.1794121
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>>1794119
It is free real estate after all.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 02:54:11 No.1794179
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>>1794119
I want this to happen cause I wanna watch and laugh when the simps shit themselves
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 03:33:42 No.1794228
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Damn, get a life, the only thing worse than a simp are people with more time on their hands than the simps they mock. I'm sure there's much better things to do than wasting time and thoughts on such ideals...you're better than simps

Edited at 2020/08/02 03:37:04
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 10:14:52 No.1794298
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>>1794044
>>1794046
>>1794049
The game clearly wants me to believe that Marco and Amicus are madly in love, but Marco's behavior says otherwise. He doesn't seem to enjoy his company unless it gets physical. He bitches and berates him constantly. Amicus tries his best to please him and change for him while Marco does fuck all.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 12:38:00 No.1794350
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>>1794298
Lol what?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 14:06:16 No.1794371
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>>1794350
Have you played the game? He was super bitchy towards amicus towars the beginning of the game(His reasons for being moody is justified.) He eventually warms up to amicus and they fall in love.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 14:58:34 No.1794389
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Anyone think the assassin was someone/hired by someone weve already been introduced to? It would have to be the teacher, no? If not, Nef's big burly 1-arm guy?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/02 21:39:13 No.1794572
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>>1794389

Alex said in Adastra there was more than just him spying on Adastra for Omorfa.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/03 00:47:28 No.1794632
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my bet is that either omorfa, or some khemian higher up who doesn't want the alliance (i want to suggest the vizier but that would be very cliche and we already did that with cato), was behind the assassination attempt.

i highly doubt it was the teacher. he may be bigoted about sexuality and gender, but he seems to want the alliance. one of the scipio letters on patreon is about how scipio had to talk veteris out of painting khemian tattoos on himself before a meeting bc he thought it would honor the khemians without realizing it'd be insensitive. veteris seems to really want scipio to spy on neferu, which scipio can't do if he and neferu are dead.

brunis hasn't had enough screentime yet for me to speculate much about him, but with how well the khemians supposedly treat their uplifted children, i'm not sure what his motive would be

Edited at 2020/08/03 09:14:07
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Furrynomous 2020/08/03 09:28:43 No.1794747
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>>1794632
My bet is that it's something being carried out by the Wolves.

Pretty sure there's a lot of Cato/Cassius sympathizers on Adastra, even 2 years later; at the least, they share the insular, anti-Galaxias views they spread,
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Furrynomous 2020/08/03 10:13:27 No.1794775
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>>1794029
Same here, especially with Scipio appearance being to similar to that of amicus but he wasn't ugly.

I know this is just the first build but u should give another chance dude.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/04 10:36:22 No.1795297
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having a MC with reverse storytelling potential has already made this intro segment wayyy better in comparison
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Furrynomous 2020/08/05 04:47:47 No.1795690
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Anyone else here liking better the original sprites of Neferu rather than the new ones seen here? I don't know if it might be that I just need to get used to the new ones, but I really felt the difference, sadly, in a bad way, and after comparing I swear I feel like the sprites from Adastra are better looking.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/05 09:36:37 No.1795885
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>>1795690
Unironically agreed.

The sprites in this game seem much more heavily stylized than in Adastra. I'm not particularly a fan of Amicus' or Neferu's sprites, even though I do think there are a few that are 'good'.

Compared to how relatively detailed Amicus' sprites were in Adastra, his appearance in Khemia is jarring.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/05 16:37:55 No.1796104
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>>1795690
You gotta a point there. Some of Neferu's and Amicus sprites were derpy looking to me and it's maybe because we're so used to the Adastra ones. I also found out that some of Neferu's sprites look similar to Amicus.

Edited at 2020/08/05 16:55:46
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Furrynomous 2020/08/05 16:43:05 No.1796110
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>>1796104
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Furrynomous 2020/08/05 16:45:07 No.1796111
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>>1796110
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Furrynomous 2020/08/05 16:46:13 No.1796113
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>>1796104
Neferu lookin' like he had a stroke.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/05 16:47:05 No.1796115
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>>1796111
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Furrynomous 2020/08/05 16:48:39 No.1796118
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>>1796115
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Furrynomous 2020/08/05 16:51:55 No.1796125
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>>1796118
I found it a bit bizarre tbh...

Edited at 2020/08/05 16:53:53
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 04:28:32 No.1796467
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>>1793420
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Ugh, God these characters are ugly, is this the disgusting bara lover VN for Adastra? Disappointing change in art direction, but at least Neferu still looks great

Really wish the Amicus lovers hadn't had so much influence on character design, it's the same body proportions, not every character needs to be a beefcake/musclegut dudebro
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 04:42:38 No.1796470
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>>1796104
>>1796113
literally AJ lookin headass
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 08:45:18 No.1796533
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Haps wanted to change the sprites to closer match his current art style and how amicus looks in cgs. It didn't have to do with the fanbase. Haps first revision of amicus was worse with extreme hips, the fanbase gave him feedback and these are better than the initial redo. I do think neferu's chin looks weird tho
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 12:13:21 No.1796625
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It's inevitable that Amicus will cheat on the MC in this game. Who do you think he'll have sex with?

Neferu?
Scipio?
Another character, either existing or yet to be revealed?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 12:48:20 No.1796689
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>>1796625
All the main male characters?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 14:03:26 No.1796731
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>>1796625
None lol... now quite ur bitching
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 15:32:51 No.1796764
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tbh
hot take
but this
this didn't need to be made imho
gives me strong "sequel gonna ruin the characters" vibe and also strong "it's gonna make a lovable character a fucking scumbag because "it's hot" to some sick fucks" vibes
ngl tbf
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 16:21:56 No.1796793
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>>1796731
Howley and Haps both have an adultery/pseudo-cuckold fetish, and Howley is known for subverting fan expectations.

Amicus is gonna cheat in this game lol. Not that I mind, it's hot.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 17:17:22 No.1796826
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Amicus isn't going to cheat. I bet this is gonna be all about scipio/neferu
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 18:55:45 No.1796848
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>>1796826
>Amicus isn't going to cheat
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 19:15:21 No.1796853
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>>1796848
Do you even remember why that happens? Or do you suffer from short-term memory loss?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 19:25:13 No.1796863
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Amicus and Marco weren't together yet. Howly and haps didn't expect the backlash so they know better now. Haps is hesitant to even draw amicus having sex with anyone anymore
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 19:28:14 No.1796865
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No android build?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 19:43:00 No.1796876
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>>1796863
>Haps is hesitant to even draw amicus having sex with anyone anymore

Posted less than a month ago
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Furrynomous 2020/08/06 19:54:22 No.1796881
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>>1796876
And read the dialogue, it's not canon. He was trying to make a point that he should be able to draw non canon things without the backlash because the backlash has been so bad

Edited at 2020/08/06 20:07:20
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Furrynomous 2020/08/08 04:51:44 No.1797651
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>>1796876
>when you get so butthurt by the people giving you money you have to take it out on them with a sarcastic "fuck you" read between the lines image
Real fucking petty of this guy, the fame he got must be going to his head
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Bookwyrm!d1FfOYLPf. 2020/08/08 06:37:37 No.1797677
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>>1796876
>cannon
>cannon
You would expect that someone who's working on a VN to be familiar with spell-checking *eye twitch*

Edited at 2020/08/08 06:38:16
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Furrynomous 2020/08/08 06:52:47 No.1797680
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Didn't surprise at all that Haps would also turn into a stuck up snob and his pipe dream will end soon if he keeps that attitude.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/08 11:24:03 No.1797772
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>>1797680
Agreed. Read any of his posts/Tweets from before Adastra was made, guy definitely has let it go to his head.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/08 13:07:53 No.1797803
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>>1796876
Wow, that's... on the nose.

I can't find that picture on his Twitter or Furaffinity, was it deleted, or is it not even art from Haps and coming from a good imitator (or somehow I'm just blind)?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/08 13:17:02 No.1797805
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>>1797772
long time ago, was it two years ago when i first saw Adastra, then Haps twitter, but not the modern posts, trying to avoid twitter cause most of the artists i follow have tarnished their usual artisty trying to force their followers liking and supporting certain political and exaggerated ideals with their eyes blind not wanting to see any critique from their art or other views in life. Too toxic
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Furrynomous 2020/08/08 13:42:08 No.1797821
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So what's the verdict on this so far, guys? Any good?

I trust you guys' opinion more than I do from other platforms.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/08 13:45:14 No.1797824
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Damn, there's no android build apparently, will there be an android build? Fuck, now I'm worried
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Furrynomous 2020/08/08 13:49:47 No.1797828
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>>1797824
Android build will probably come out later. I don't believe it's even been released to the public yet anyways, only to Patreons.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/08 21:00:08 No.1798040
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>>1797821
didn't leave a good impresion for me.it was pretty uneventful.
but the same thing happened to me too with adastra build 1.when it came out, i read it and thought it was pretty boring.so i didn't bother to read the next build until build 3 comes out and i decide to continue it.and it was pretty entertaining.
i'll wait until next builds releases, then i'll have my verdict.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/09 04:28:14 No.1798158
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>>1797821
Honestly i think it is early to tell, since we literally just have the prologue, so it is basically just a cocktease, especially since we had basically no choices (and even if we did they would probably be more like Adastra where there isn't ROUTE FOR EVERY CHARACTER)

I think it conceptually seems fine since it makes sense it would develop in this way aside from the EARF VIRUS thing, Old Characters act as you would expect them (Amicus having tunnelvision due WUV, Vanessa keeping him on a short leash, Neferu being promicious), New characters seem to have potential.

Scipio is definitly "Amicus with a wig" in design (not necessarily a bad thing, Amicus is hot), but seems more intelligent then both him and Marco put together, and it is much faster with bringing in the Lewd since it seems like DESIGNATED LOVE INTEREST is Neferu this time around.

Of course, BECAUSE it is probably Neferu that is the LI i fully expect "fucking around" drama to happen again, which should be a warning sign for anyone who got triggered by him getting fucked by Amicus in Adastra.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/09 12:26:56 No.1798279
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I love EchoProject but it seems like they love drama so expect death, betrayal and everything bad you can imagine

Edited at 2020/08/09 12:28:41
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Furrynomous 2020/08/09 14:29:50 No.1798343
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Neferu is going to be the main interest for this game. While i do find him entertaining, i dont have much interest in him as a character. But i would like to know how this plays out.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/09 16:44:45 No.1798394
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Why is everyone so triggered about the plot point concerning the MC initiating a pandemic on Earth?

I've noticed backlash against it here and most other sites.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/09 18:12:43 No.1798439
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>>1798394
Anyone who thinks that this started a pandemic is an idiot with no reading comprehension. Like, five people died. Five. If anymore died, or if more were at risk of dying, we would have been told this information due to its severity. Avia pox kills people in less than 24 hours and appears to only spread via contact. Its exceptional lethality coupled with its poor ability to spread means that people are likely to die before it spreads very far at all. At MOST this would threaten a city, and that would likely require some pretty favorable conditions regarding initial infection. Once the area of initial infection is quarantined, the virus will die off with its hosts very fast. People will also not survive to become asymptomatic carriers like Marco, as Marco required the intervention of alien gods to survive. Right now, the threat to Earth is very, very low as long as Marco remains isolated.

Of course, we must also look at the fact that Marco was allowed to return to Earth at all. This may be another example of the Parents failing at correctly predicting future events, as it seems that Marco did not begin shedding until very recently. This VN takes place around two years and four months after the end of Adastra and three years after Cato tried to take the throne, so the idea that the virus could have remained dormant in Marco until just now is a real possibility. A good example of something like this would be elderly people spreading chickenpox after developing shingles, or herpes. However, I feel like this is an unlikely explanation. My idea is that Marco was allowed to return intentionally, with the Parents being fully aware that he would begin shedding avia pox. I mentioned earlier that this virus is absurdly lethal and also very unlikely to spread far beyond the initial point of infection; these qualities make it the perfect bioweapon. If it was aerosolized over a major population center, it would kill millions of people without spreading very far beyond the target. Such a weapon would have all the lethality of a nuclear warhead without destroying infrastructure or producing radioactive fallout. If a nation managed to gain samples of the virus and weaponize it in Earth's currently unstable political climate, millions or possibly billions could die. Entire nations would collapse, and the following chaos would make the people very willing to accept the will of the Parents if it meant salvation. This could be a method of population reduction as well as a way to unite Earth in a way that favors the Parents. Of course, there is also the potential that the virus could mutate to somehow become less lethal or more contagious or both. In that case, the above scenario still plays out, except in a more uncontrolled way.

Regardless, this isn't a pandemic, an epidemic, or even a local threat for the moment. It will be interesting to see how this situation develops, and I hope we get more news from Earth over the course of Khemia.

Edited at 2020/08/09 18:33:19
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Furrynomous 2020/08/09 18:49:00 No.1798449
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>>1798439
Glad to see others also considered the possibility the Parents sent the MC to Earth as a bio-weapon to cause damage to human civilization.

The Parents are unlikely to be as benign as they claim. Also, think of Earth's position in this Universe: a backwater planet that has seen multiple uplift attempts that all ended in failure, with the planet remaining out of Parental influence for millennia until they emotionally blackmailed a human into cooperating with their plans.

Isn't it more likely there's more to Earth than meets the eye? Perhaps the Parents have reason to fear Earth/humans: is it possible Earth is actually under the influence of the Other?

We have no idea what the Other actually is; for that matter, we have little idea of what the Parents themselves are. Maybe Earth is under the sway of the Other, and that is why the Parents have decided to neutralize it.

Edited at 2020/08/09 18:52:53
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Furrynomous 2020/08/09 18:52:27 No.1798450
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>>1798449

I mean yeah, if the parents where the good gods opposed to the other's satan it'd be very fucking boring.

I hope both sides are depraved and that our heroes go Kratos on both.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/09 19:14:29 No.1798459
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>>1798450
I think the Adastra lore borrows a lot from a standard sci-fi/fantasy trope that is most famously found in the works of Michael Moorcock, to name an example: that is, that the Universe has two inanimate primordial forces that are at odds with each other (i.e. Order and Chaos, etc.), and which spawn incarnations and proxies to fight each other.

The Parents might be embodiments of Order, the Other an embodiment of Chaos; either way, the two struggle for supremacy, even though a victory by either would mean the cessation of life or existence (either a chaotic swirl of nothingness or a perpetual, unchanging stasis).

But that's just my two cents.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/11 22:24:58 No.1799781
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Furrynomous 2020/08/11 22:58:15 No.1799815
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Furrynomous 2020/08/15 14:57:31 No.1802276
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Does anyone know when the public build is coming out?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/15 17:37:26 No.1802320
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>>1802276

The 1st build wont get a public release, the next build will, so next month.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/15 18:50:35 No.1802360
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>>1802320
How come??
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Furrynomous 2020/08/15 20:27:33 No.1802386
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the prologue build content will be included in the first public build. they're probably doing it that way because the prologue is short
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Furrynomous 2020/08/15 21:58:26 No.1802412
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>>1802386
Oh thanks, Lol I thought it had been delayed since how much backlash it had received.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/15 22:07:47 No.1802415
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>>1802412

What backlash?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/16 00:53:20 No.1802458
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>>1802415
A good amount of people are talking about how ugly is Scipio, calling him Amicus with a wig and glasses, complaints on the sprites "especially Neferu's and Amicus" looking derpy and lackluster, and how dull the game is compared to Adastra, and it's not just here that people are saying that.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/16 16:50:17 No.1802828
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Amicus = Scipio

Haps is a hack, change my mind.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/16 18:30:20 No.1802859
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Didn't know there was a backlash, but I do agree that Neferu did look abit weird and off balanced.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/16 20:45:13 No.1802939
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>>1802828
What?

Amicus and Scipiio look nothing alike, even in your comparison, other than the similarity that they are both wolfmen.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/17 14:12:44 No.1803277
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>>1802939
Seriously!?
They look exactly alike besides the eyebrows.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/17 15:28:40 No.1803297
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Why are we so quick to form these hasty assessments, yet only the prologue is available thus far? There's some issues, yes, but regardless, I believe it's unfair to make too many comparisons to the polished original. We shouldn't undervalue a change of pace. Give the creators a chance to explore their vision.

Edited at 2020/08/17 15:29:05
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Furrynomous 2020/08/17 19:51:41 No.1803351
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>>1803297
Agreed.

We've only seen a very small portion of the game that is nowhere near complete.

Making any judgment right now is being way too hasty.

>didn't like the Amicus sprites

Amicus isn't even the focus of this game, which is a spin-off, and not a sequel to Adastra.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 01:55:24 No.1804773
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I hope Scipio and Neferu will have a romantic relationship.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 02:00:49 No.1804774
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In my opinion, Scipio is better than Marco because Scipio looks more experienced and hotter. I believe Scipio x Neferu will be a better love story than Marco x Amicus.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 09:53:35 No.1804877
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>>1804774
>In my opinion, Scipio is better than Marco because Scipio looks more experienced and hotter. I believe Scipio x Neferu will be a better love story than Marco x Amicus.

I mean, you are the MC...
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 13:41:59 No.1804981
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>>1804877
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 14:25:25 No.1804997
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>>1804774
That's fucking hilarious considering Neferu is basically a one night stand type of guy and their not even dating. The fuck are you guys smoking.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 15:39:48 No.1805017
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Have you heard of being open minded? Oh wait your smoking weed has clouded your dead brain.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 16:04:27 No.1805022
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>>1805017
"your so closeminded"
"weed is the devil's work"
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 20:09:24 No.1805084
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You will never get drunk along with Amicus on a Friday night

Why even live, honestly?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 21:12:20 No.1805100
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>>1805017
The thing is that no one asked about your "opened mindedness".

>Oh wait your smoking weed has clouded your dead brain.

I guess you being delusional has clouded your dead brain as well.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 22:24:37 No.1805118
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>>1804773
>>1804774
Let's wait and see. Neferu will probably be the main interest to Scipio.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/21 22:42:34 No.1805122
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>>1805017
Are you retarded or something because they never even mentioned weed

Edited at 2020/08/21 22:42:56
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Furrynomous 2020/08/22 01:34:59 No.1805299
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>>1796848
Is it cheating if they weren't really officially a thing yet?

Kinda yes, but it was clearly uncomfortable for both of them. I don't think he's gonna cheat here.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/22 02:23:34 No.1805397
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>>1793419
Also the Khemia Build 1 is out now, who's gonna send the links?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/22 08:25:33 No.1805479
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>>1805397
it isn't out yet. howly is waiting on a background but had to go to work, it'll be out later today
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Furrynomous 2020/08/22 10:20:35 No.1805557
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>>1804774
Is this some sort of joke?
I would have to agree with you about Marco's and Amicus love story is meh, but Scipio is nowhere as good as Marco. Sure he might have been bitchy or moody at times, but you have to understand the situation he was in. Anyone would freak out if they where abducted and feel confused and trapped while going to a new place. Little by little he starts to man up about the situation and "plays their game" and while his development is a heads or tails situation, it's a lot better than "how lucky am I to get kidnapped by big chunky wolf, to pound my ass". He's written convincingly and realistic, and it may not be top-notch, it's at least better than Amicus with a wig and glasses.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/22 13:51:39 No.1805631
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>>1805557
The only people who hated the Adastra MC are cringey autists and self-loathing idiots who feel the need to play as their OC donut steel 'sona and who can't be bothered to read a story because they insist on jumping to sex scenes immediately.

The Adastra MC was fine, he was well-written.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/22 17:47:54 No.1805710
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>>1805631
I do miss the original scene, without fighting between Amicus and MC, but the character is fine and the game is great...everything going on is organic and natural, for space love story LoL
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Furrynomous 2020/08/22 22:42:41 No.1805767
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>>1805557
>>1805100
>>1805017
Ok people this getting toxic, who cares about that guy who say about Scipio and Neferu. He's hasn't played Adastra so he shouldn't be here.
>>1804774
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Furrynomous 2020/08/24 05:12:37 No.1806261
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>>1806260
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Furrynomous 2020/08/24 08:21:53 No.1806307
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>>1793419
Can someone sed the build 1 links?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/24 09:24:36 No.1806325
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>>1806260
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Furrynomous 2020/08/24 19:31:27 No.1806605
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Anyone got the links?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/24 22:38:09 No.1806672
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someone's got to bite the bullet and just purchase it
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Furrynomous 2020/08/25 11:03:14 No.1807001
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Here you go, guys:

WIN: http://www.mediafire.com/file/1n74esmtsu8id43/Khemia-1.0-win.zip/file

MAC: http://www.mediafire.com/file/w1fmikkytcpp4db/Khemia-1.0-mac.zip/file

Linux: http://www.mediafire.com/file/ifangj1vs5rob0r/Khemia-1.0-linux.tar.bz2/file

Somebody else better put out next time.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/26 09:58:38 No.1807546
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Well that was a cluster fuck of an update...

Edited at 2020/08/26 15:14:26
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Furrynomous 2020/08/26 15:01:53 No.1807633
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>>1807546
I agree

Scipio just kills the vibe for me and I don't know why.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/26 16:12:45 No.1807663
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>>1807633
His way of speaking and thinking is very measured, and the words he uses are overly long and formal. I understand that that's his character, an academic who's constantly self-regulating because he wants to maintain control of himself and his mind, but he hasn't let his guard down yet, even when he's explicitly supposed to be "letting his guard down."
Marco had moments from the very beginning (between his pretty justified confusion and panic) where he found his footing a bit and managed to open himself up to other people and to his situation itself. His and Amicus's heart to heart after their fight on the ship comes to mind. Scipio's equivalent with Neferu didn't even come close. If anything, it let us see more of Neferu instead, and make us sympathize with him even more than we already did, rather than flush out the new protag
Maybe Scipio could be less formal when he's talking about Khemia, because he genuinely enjoys the exotic culture and such? The contrast between the normal him and the him that would shove down his own serious trauma for the chance to see another planet is too small, and makes him seem way less nuanced than he could be. That, and he should get a scene where he demonstrates his own agency ASAP. At the moment, things have just happened "to" Scipio, rather than Scipio actually doing something (Marco fought Amicus to try and turn the ship around, while Scipio just kinda followed Neferu around)
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Furrynomous 2020/08/26 16:39:36 No.1807673
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>>1807663
Adding onto this, I have liked some of the interactions he's had so far, but they could be a bit more exaggerated for a more interesting effect. An example of this would be his reaction to Amicus confronting Neferu, where Scipio realizes that despite his mission to stay alert and calculating whenever around Neferu (as well as his own personal need to stay in control of himself, or risk spiraling into another post-traumatic episode), Scipio instead just went along with him wherever. What makes this worse is that he easily could have known that going to a seedy no-tell motel with an important and targeted ambassador was a bad idea. Scipio acknowledges this to himself, and because of it kneels and apologizes to Amicus even though he knows his anger is aimed at Neferu, not him. He also apologized because he wanted to make sure he did whatever he could to not get booted from the Khemia mission, making the moment all the more tense for him.
In my opinion, we should have gotten a much larger focus on Scipio's thoughts and actions here, rather than the immediate transition to some exposition about the separatist movement. Maybe we could have gotten some insight from Scipio about how he'd taught himself to outwardly mask his emotions, both in preparation for the mission and so others wouldn't recognize when something touched his trauma. Or maybe we could have seen an example of what happens to his thoughts when he gets overwhelmed, and then used the moment to also demonstrate Scipio's mental strength in situations where someone isn't getting blown to bit in front of him by having him take back control and refocus himself onto the goal he's worked so hard for. We get a great example of that when Scipio quite literally "walks off" his episode in front of Neferu when they're at the palace, it hits basically every note I could have wanted, but seeing Scipio at work in front of not just a friend, but also the emperor himself (who happens to be the class of person he's going to have to deal with while on the mission) would have been gravy.
Just a thought, and that might not be the character the Echo Team is going for anyway. Personally, I'm interested to see why Scipio has a similar build to Amicus when we know for a fact that he's an academic and that Wolven don't just come out of the tin buff bara dreamboats.

Also, why the fuck was his mane mentioned so many times?

Edited at 2020/08/26 16:40:48
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Furrynomous 2020/08/26 19:28:24 No.1807721
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>>1807673
the letters mention that manes are a symbol of the elite, and that scipio's mane was forcibly shaved off during the riots
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Furrynomous 2020/08/26 23:23:53 No.1807791
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>>1807633
I understand why you would feel that way, but I feel like it was done deliberately.

>>1807663
I would admit that his character is a very attentive and cautious one since he wants the alliance to succeed, though it makes him seem dull and a bit of a buzz kill as if he doesn't have a backbone. Even when the story gets into a more personal side with Scipio "like his trauma", it only ends up being blurted out and never gets thrown any light into which makes the situation futile.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/27 01:47:25 No.1807823
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>>1807791
I personally feel that the story in general (as well as that little prologue "hook" we got before the first public build) would have been way more interesting if Scipio himself told Com to pull the trigger on the assassin, then had his traumatic fear-of-mortality and/or survivor's guilt episode. Not only would it have shown just how much Scipio was willing to protect Neferu (both because of their relationship and to protect the alliance) and his mental control in tense situations, but it would have also made the question of how far Scipio is willing to go far more uncertain. After all, he was in a kill-or-be-killed situation, no one else would fault him for making the decision he did, but it could make him self-reflect on his reaction to what his mentor asked him to do in order to make sure the trip to Khemia was successful. When push comes to shove, could he do it again, despite his past?
It would have also made Scipio view his experiences in a new light, as during the riots he was essentially a helpless victim. However, now he would have had some responsibility. He could have had to reason with himself, drill into his own mind about how it wasn't the same, about how he had protected himself and his friend, etc. Neferu would have also had more insight into Scipio from the ordeal, as well as even more reason to help him come to terms with his trauma, as Scipio's sudden but reasonable decision to take out the attacker saved his life. Neferu would never be able to accept someone suffering from a decision that protected another.

Finally, Scipio would have actually done something of his own accord, 'nuff said
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Furrynomous 2020/08/27 04:15:20 No.1807852
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>>1807663
>>1807823

Scipio is mono-blue he wants perfection and knowledge
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Furrynomous 2020/08/27 12:45:02 No.1808113
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>>1807721
Don't even get me started with the whole mane bullshit

It was so repetitively mentioned that I'm thinking that the only reason it was brought up is so people stop calling it "Amicus's wig"
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Furrynomous 2020/08/28 08:32:00 No.1808404
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Was it just me, or did they say that the MC died in the last game, and didn't come back?
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Furrynomous 2020/08/28 08:51:16 No.1808411
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>>1808404
what. amicus literally says he's on earth for his mission from the parents and infecting people with avia pox.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/28 19:45:26 No.1808674
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Honestly, I'm still unsure of how to feel about this game.

Loved Adastra; still don't really know what reaction to have to Khemia. I definitely don't hate it, but it's not particularly growing on me. If anything, I'm following it because of Adastra, and the best moments are those that reference the happenings of Adastra (the MC, the riots, the Earth situation, etc.).

I know it's a spin-off rather than a sequel, but this game needs to find its own identity rather than just relying on people wanting a continuation of the first game. I'm sure the writers on the Echo team will be able to turn it around, and I am fully aware this is barely the first build, so just expressing myself, but still remain mostly optimistic.

Scipio isn't as captivating as the old MC, so far; he's not bad, per se, so here's hoping he'll grow on us.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/28 23:32:02 No.1808793
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>>1808674
Same here

This game came off as a letdown to me, especially Scipio himself, and to be honest, I despise him quite a bit. I found to be lackluster and kind of a killjoy character, and it doesn't make it any better that he looks a lot like Amicus. And I know it's barely the beginning, though it's quite evident that he's a bit of a bummer and you are right about being optimistic about it.

I hope stuff get better for him.

Edited at 2020/08/28 23:37:28
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right Furrynomous 2020/08/29 00:18:07 No.1808817
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>>1808793
Agreed.

Hopefully, things will smooth out and get better over time. I'll wait this one out for a little while, since I don't want to get my hopes up too quickly.
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Furrynomous 2020/08/29 01:12:18 No.1809023
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>>1808817
Honestly, this sounds like the best advice: just let it be for a while, then come back to it once it's found its direction after a couple of updates.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/01 08:55:11 No.1810727
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I miss the old sprites
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Furrynomous 2020/09/01 21:14:11 No.1811036
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I for one am really enjoying Khemia. Just being back "in the world" makes me happy. Ol' Skip's PTSD is interesting and I want to see the character development of how he overcomes it.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/02 12:32:17 No.1811337
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>>1811036
Seriously!?
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Furrynomous 2020/09/02 13:50:52 No.1811406
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>>1811337

OH NO SOMEONE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION WHAT WILL I EVER doo!?
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Furrynomous 2020/09/03 00:42:12 No.1811775
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I miss the original Mc
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Furrynomous 2020/09/04 17:54:04 No.1812656
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>>1811036
Yeah, I moderately agree.

>>1811036
>>1811337
Though I would say the story isn't as creative or enjoyable as Adastra, it's still decent to play, but I would have to go with the latter with Scipio's character. Don't get me wrong I do wish to see more development of him, yet what we've seen so far was an utter letdown. Sure, at first sight, his PTSD is intersting, though that's all we got from him. He's rather bland and wretched, which isn't in good way. It might have problems even though it was barely released, that doesn't mean it's terrible, and there's still time to fix it. The best advice that I have gotten is to wait a while so things can hopefully get resolved.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/05 00:35:06 No.1812750
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Furrynomous 2020/09/05 16:10:44 No.1813001
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>>1807791
This would've make skip a more interesting characters. Rather than the current bland and "simply yield to the higher authority", we could've seen how his trauma affects his decision on that scenario. Then it'd be a point of personal conflict in the story complementing others later on. Kinda like how Marco ruminating when and how he can go back to earth.

For now, there's no interesting hook for us to look after, for me anyway other than seeing khemia, skip mission, and sex...
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Furrynomous 2020/09/06 04:38:30 No.1813193
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Alright so here are my thoughts about Khemia
I like it so far, but it feels weird to me because I played Adastra basically because I have a crush on Amicus, also I named the main character after me so like... that made me feel more like it was actually something between Amicus and I. Now the main focus is Neferu which I like but yeah everything feels weird it's like I keep expecting Amicus to talk to ME so to speak which I know it won't happen since like is said Neferu and Scipio are the main focus now. Everything feels kinda weird and raw for me for now but I still like the VN so much
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Furrynomous 2020/09/07 14:20:51 No.1813778
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>>1813193
>I have a crush on Amicus

Join rhe club, everyone does.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/07 18:14:20 No.1813873
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>>1813001
100% agree

Scipio isn't an interesting character to begin with and is practically Amicus with a wig and glasses, but he still has potential since we have only started this journey.
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Furrynomous 2020/09/07 20:43:54 No.1813915
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Furrynomous 2020/09/08 00:15:45 No.1813956
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What do you guys think of a separate board for vn? Say your thoughts in this thread;

https://u18chan.com/board/u18chan/lit/topic/1811983
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Furrynomous 2020/09/14 23:43:32 No.1816988
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>>1813956
I was very intrigued by how much dedication there is on the thread, but I have just one question. What are you're purposes with the thread? Is it to discuss about VN's and our opinions about it or is to single out which VN's are great, decent, or awful?
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Furrynomous 2020/09/15 01:56:09 No.1817079
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>>1816988
Mostly to discuss them really.
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Furrynomous 2020/10/19 18:13:10 No.1834380
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Jesus Christ this placed died
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Furrynomous 2020/10/20 01:07:47 No.1834535
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Not much to discuss yet, i think
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Furrynomous 2020/10/20 11:28:18 No.1834677
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>>1834380
Not much to discuss considering there's only 1 update.
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Furrynomous 2020/10/22 13:38:01 No.1835932
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>>1834380
Khemia should do the same
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Furrynomous 2020/10/22 15:08:18 No.1835967
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>>1835932
It will, it already is because Howly is on his deathbed or some shit.
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Furrynomous 2020/10/22 15:48:12 No.1835995
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>>1835967

Wait, seriously? Holy shit
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Furrynomous 2020/10/22 18:14:06 No.1836098
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howly was having some kind of medical problems, he mentioned a bad reaction to medication and that there were other hectic things going on. but we don't know the details. seemed like things calmed down briefly and he had planned to release build 2 a couple of times but then echo project as a whole was announced to be taking the month off.
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Furrynomous 2020/10/22 19:31:47 No.1836125
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>>1835995
We're gonna lose Howly to Covid19, and there will have gone the only group putting out semi-decent gay furry VNs/dating sims.
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Furrynomous 2020/10/23 23:54:03 No.1836634
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Let's not be hasty. It's only the first build and I think Khemia still has potential.
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Furrynomous 2020/10/24 02:08:13 No.1836670
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>>1836125

I mean, Minotaur Hotel is also good, but in any case I hope with all my heart Howly makes through. This group gave so much to me .
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Furrynomous 2020/11/03 22:29:31 No.1842675
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>>1836098
WAIT WHAT!?

I had given Echo Project a break in general to find this out, I hope he gets better. :(

Edited at 2020/11/03 23:36:28
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Furrynomous 2020/11/16 09:30:27 No.1848840
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seems like they are on track again and there will be an update for patrons this friday
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Furrynomous 2020/11/16 13:31:27 No.1848946
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>>1848840
It also seems that he was suffering from medical issues. Even yesterday on d/ he "vented out" about Marco as a character also the scene between Amicus and Neferu which leads me to believe that all the criticism got to him, but what I don't understand is when moe popped out of nowhere and started talking about his music for no reason.
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Furrynomous 2020/11/16 14:44:35 No.1848983
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>>1848946
Howley posts on u18? That's hilarious.
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Furrynomous 2020/11/16 15:44:59 No.1849005
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>>1848946
Wait, what? What thread was this?
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Furrynomous 2020/11/16 18:23:04 No.1849078
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>>1848983
>>1849005
I'm not sure if you realized but "d/" stands for dis.cord

>That's hilarious.

That's pretty pathetic there dude taking into consideration your using it as well, get your head out of your ass
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Furrynomous 2020/11/18 10:39:43 No.1849899
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>>1848946
would you care to post what he said? or if its possible provide a link to the channel in which he refers to this

Edited at 2020/11/18 10:40:38
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Furrynomous 2020/11/19 01:15:08 No.1850244
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>>1848946
Some drama went on, and I guess some of the staff took note of it. It supposedly started on someone's dis.cord and they were discussing about vn's, and when they mentioned Echo Project, they got carried away. I'm not sure what they said exactly but, the ones that went out of hand were about Khemia, and I'm not certain how they found out.

Right now, it's best not to talk about it as that will only lead to more tension.
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Furrynomous 2020/11/21 14:41:48 No.1851724
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has the new update come out yet?

Edited at 2020/11/21 15:58:03
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Furrynomous 2020/11/22 13:52:02 No.1852199
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>>1851724
Nope, it was supposed to be released a couple of days ago but there was a patreon post stating that I would be delayed and it was going to released sometime over the weekend
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Furrynomous 2020/11/25 18:00:34 No.1854146
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Howly's health is affected the entire project it would seem.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/07 13:03:04 No.1860669
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Any news?
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Tora 2020/12/07 13:53:23 No.1860684
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>>1850244
As a matter of fact, some of it got leaked on the Blackgate thread. It's shameful someone has the balls to say that crap.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/07 16:44:42 No.1860752
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>>1860684
>https://u18chan.com/gfur/topic/1384291

Is it the post about Moe?

Edited at 2020/12/07 16:45:09
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Furrynomous 2020/12/08 09:57:25 No.1861146
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Really hoping for a next update, i'm really curious about neferu's relationship with his family since adastra and to see if the relationship with Amicus will get any better.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/09 20:18:34 No.1862225
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>>1860752
Jesus christ that's toxic...
I know his music is somewhat of a letdown, but this is just going to far. Guess that explains all the drama going around these days. Poor Howly.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/10 19:48:37 No.1862643
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>>1862225
I disagree, i think his music is really great. People cant stand slight changes to the status quo, and people will always grasp at straws to hate... Such a toxic mindset imo.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/13 15:17:03 No.1863884
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New build is out
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Furrynomous 2020/12/13 18:59:36 No.1864045
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Here you guys are:

WIN: https://www.mediafire.com/file/5n42xba00eoey5h/Khemia-1.5-win.zip/file

MAC: https://www.mediafire.com/file/g80f0dhl30r8kt0/Khemia-1.5-mac.zip/file

Linux: https://www.mediafire.com/file/jtidojbl1ebz8ol/Khemia-1.5-linux.tar.bz2/file
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Furrynomous 2020/12/14 17:09:53 No.1864726
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>>1864045

Thanks Anon. I enjoyed this update, although it feels a little lacking. That's understandable.

Edited at 2020/12/14 17:12:12
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Furrynomous 2020/12/15 00:31:47 No.1864928
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Nice update i like the profesional/personal conflict Scipio is having with Neferu but felt a bit short.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/15 18:44:59 No.1865263
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new ost with Howly's choice of words made me ugly cry for 3 minutes.. Adastra was lacking such music for sure, also i enjoy the writing and the pace so far, quite intimate and engaging, although we're just getting started
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Furrynomous 2020/12/16 02:33:38 No.1865436
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As a person who dropped Adastra because of the cuckolding scene give it to me straigh:
Does this dev deserves another chance and I should play it or is it filled with the same fetish for cuckoldry just like Adastra?

What are your honest opinions on it so far?
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Furrynomous 2020/12/16 03:01:58 No.1865440
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>>1865436
They revised the cuckholding part and have MC call out amicus for his stupidity and "making a pact" with neferu thanks to the backlash the patrons gave the echo devs. For me Khemeia is not catching my attention that Adastra did. But i'll see where it goes.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/16 05:06:37 No.1865464
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>>1865436
It's not even cuckolding you weren't in an official relationship at that point in the story my dude, "Fetish for cuckolding" when it's one scene and Amcius was literally forced into doing it to keep you safe.

Btw, Neferu is still the most goodhearted and smart person in that game.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/17 00:21:19 No.1865919
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>It's not even cuckolding you weren't in an official relationship at that point in the story my dude

I disagree. Amicus asked if you'd like to date him and then the next thing he does is fucking Neferu. Also, I wouldn't have called it "Being forced".
It was what it was, man.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/17 04:25:18 No.1866000
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>>1865436
echo had cuckshit everywhere, like chase having chemistry with kudzu in leo's route, chase being jealous of TJ being with the deer guy, flynn fucking chase and leo storming his place
then Adastra had cucking too, and after the backlash they had to stop production for a while to reconsider things. they probably planned on having even more cucking and had to cut it
so to answer your question, cucking is the writer's fetish and he'll insert it as often as he can. he'll do it again in khemia, except now there's the excuse of neferu being a slut who fucks around for politics. and chances are he'll keep doing it in whatever he makes next

>>1865464
the writer will contrive story reasons for characters to fuck around and cheat. the whole pact between amicus and neferu was just a flimsy excuse to put in the cucking
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Furrynomous 2020/12/17 04:59:50 No.1866006
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>>1866000
What in the world did i just read??? You brought up examples where most of which have nothing to do with cuckolding, and even went as far as saying that its his fetish?? Get your head out of your ass. Its people like you that contribute nothing meaningful in criticism of their games. How delusional...

Edited at 2020/12/17 05:01:38
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Furrynomous 2020/12/17 11:04:00 No.1866091
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>>1866000
>cuck cuck cuck

Go away.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/18 10:02:40 No.1866529
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>>1866091
it's not cuckolding in the strict sense but the pattern is that the writer has some fixation with stories that show cheating and infidelity, he just knows enough to at least disguise it a bit
want more examples? flynn's route in echo has the dead kid's dad cheating on his wife with the waitress lady. in adastra the first time amicus gets hard on-screen is when he's in the sauna with neferu, right in front of the protagonist, and the neferu/amicus scene is the first sex cg in all of the echo team games
just stop and think about it, the few sex scenes echo has all fade to black or don't show nudity. but amicus fucking neferu was the one thing the writer wanted to make into a cg and everyone else on the team was ok with it
meanwhile khemia has a sex scene on the first build and it's barely shown, because there's no cheating and the writer wasn't excited. i'm betting that game will be full of richly detailed scenes of neferu getting fucked by everyone "for political alliences" while the amicus lookalike just watches. that and the protagonist from the previous game caused covid
so sure it's not cuckolding in the strict sense, but that's the writer's fetish. he just knows how to give the flimsiest excuse for it
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Furrynomous 2020/12/18 23:54:44 No.1866797
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>>1866529
That is such a pathetic explanation to try and justify his fetish. First of all, are you forgetting about the other two sex scenes in Adastra? Those scenes where they had their own CGs and was written all the way through. Don't pretend that other sex scenes don't exist. Second, you clearly dont understand the word infidelity because the scenes with Neferu are scenes where the MC and Amicus were NOT official. Third, the Flynn route example you brought up was not even written by the same person, which goes to show that you’re cherry picking examples to try and paint these people in a bad light.

Edited at 2020/12/18 23:56:07
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Furrynomous 2020/12/19 00:30:17 No.1866808
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Your justification falls apart considering the fact that the sex scenes between you and Amicus have much more description and attention on them than walking into the Neferu thing for soap opera drama dude.
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Furrynomous 2020/12/19 06:13:48 No.1866874
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>>1866808
the other two sex scenes in adastra? the first one was written just after the mess that was the protagonist dying, it was the earliest they could throw it in to save themselves from the shitshow against amicus and neferu fucking. after that the writer at least learned to give people what they want. pity the story crashes and burns after the protagonist dies of covid
but i guess none of this matters, adastra's audience likes the abuse. just look at the comments here and see how many people want more cuckoldry
https://twitter.com/Paintfox34/status/1333457616455028736
hopefully the echo team will keep on making fresh cuck content, i can't wait for khemia's sex cgs to be about neferu getting drilled while skipio watches. that and more about the protagonist causing a pandemic, that's the most tonedeaf thing ive ever read
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Furrynomous 2020/12/19 06:56:18 No.1866883
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Oh boy... You really are a lost cause arent you? First the whole fetish thing, and now covid. Just so you know, the author wrote that out before the pandemic started, so you dont know what youre talking about. You can continue to believe what you want to believe because at this point, I realise that theres no aim in this convo. You generalize (Adastras audience) to like abuse, which right there makes me stop taking your arguments seriously because you never intended to contribute anything meaningful at all in the first place. I also hope if the team reads this, I hope they disregard your comments as much as everyone else has.

Edited at 2020/12/19 07:00:06
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Furrynomous 2020/12/19 09:33:47 No.1866954
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and marco infecting people with avia pox isn't a pandemic. it kills too quickly to spread that fast
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Furrynomous 2020/12/23 15:37:42 No.1869282
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>>1866883
>>1866954
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Furrynomous 2020/12/24 02:48:39 No.1869483
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>>1869282
While I agree it's weird how many minors seem to openly like the game on twitter that has literally nothing to do with the posts you linked lol
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Furrynomous 2020/12/29 12:08:27 No.1871848
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>>1869483
Cursed and Toxic
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Furrynomous 2021/01/01 17:03:10 No.1873884
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After playing this update I can't help but feel the game isn't going to get anywhere as it seems thier running out of ideas. Thier literally treating Neferu like Leo, unable to say how he feels due to his overprotectiveness and stupid actions. I know Amicus did as well but at least he got to grow out of it and wasn't brought up out of nowhere but this is just lazy since this was never even a part of Neferu personality.

I'm not sure if I should even continue it or just move on since I still can see hope for it. I trust your guy's opinions on here more than from other platforms.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 01:08:33 No.1874058
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I hate to break it to you, but I think you should move on. Khemia is pretty much a failure, even when the new update came out, it's still quite evident the game is lackluster and a letdown. I'm not even positive if Arches or Glory Hounds would even be recieved well, as it's apparent Howly has too much on his hands and is already struggling with Khemia. It astounds me how much people try to sugarcoat the game on d/ and yet go on other servers to start bitching about it, and it's mainly the "loyal ones" which is just fucking disgusting and toxic .

I know it sucks to hear this, but if you are looking for other visual novels like Adastra I would reccommend Minotaur Hotel which easily surpasses it due consistent and intriguing story and captivating characters, but if your looking for something different then I would highly reccommend Tennis Ace or Password. Hope this you helped dude.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 03:15:50 No.1874088
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>>1873884
just read the fanfics if you don't like the main story but want more of the same
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 05:57:23 No.1874138
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>>1873884
How bad is it? The first demo was so lackluster and tonedeaf to me, I decided to wait a while before giving Khemia another go and now I'm surprised with how quickly it seems to have crashed and burned. I wasn't expecting it to do as well as the lightning in a bottle that was Adastra, but I didn't think it'd fail this hard.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 08:34:00 No.1874208
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>>1874058
Howly isn't even working on Glory Hounds, Redd is the writer. he similarly has presumably nothing to do with McSkinny's upcoming dnd vn A Role to Play
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 08:44:12 No.1874212
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say what you will about marco, but at least he isn't a rich elitist who wants to burn the poor district to the ground to get revenge for the riots. also "meera" shows up again and mentions talking to marco, meaning ending B is canon.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 10:18:52 No.1874241
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Can anyone link the latest build for Khemia?
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 14:31:04 No.1874321
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Its been posted here, nothing new since then.
>>1864045
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 18:58:58 No.1874434
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What are you guys even talking about? The fans seem fine with it, most of the discussions are about how interesting and different it is compared to Adastra. Sure they are biased, but if people really hated it, their patronage would drop, yet it consistently climbs above 1700 patrons after each month. I will admit that I personally like it a lot more. Would much rather play this than the pretentious eyesore that is Minotaur Hotel lol

Edited at 2021/01/02 19:00:14
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 19:13:05 No.1874437
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New art + new patron build
https://twitter.com/EchoTheVN/status/1345529077273251840?s=19
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 19:27:28 No.1874441
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>>1874434
That number of patrons is because of Echo and The Smoke Room as well, since they've grown in popularity because of Adastra's popularity.
That being said, Khemia is alright, wouldn't say it's better or worse than Adastra just yet, maybe slightly better because of Scipio.
Why would you consider Mino Hotel a pretentious eyesore though? sounds a bit nonsensical
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 19:55:38 No.1874445
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I am real confused as to why people (kinda seems like one or two people here who decided this) are deeming this a failure, or a disappointment? Literally one build is out to public. Khemia build announcements and releases get more attention than either TSR or Echo judging by the likes and retweets on patreon and twitter. From what I remember, there were big jumps on the patreon for each Khemia release and the comments were basically all impressed. It was obvious from the start that it could not come close to what Adastra was, Howly himself said something to this effect, I think. Seems like an okay start that is attracting a different crowd than OG Adastra. This needs several more builds before I think we can make a call on whether or not it failed. Seems fine so far, kind of Echo-esque in its presentation, which is actually kind of fascinating to me. Anyway, just a little bizarre people are acting like this is a dud when the numbers and reception say otherwise and again, is still right at the beginning.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/02 20:07:23 No.1874448
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>>1874441
I think because someone earlier said they should play mino hotel instead for its great storytelling. I kinda agree about the pretension as I could NOT get into it. Art is a matter of taste. It being the #1 rated furry VN on itchio is really peculiar when I rarely see anyone talk about it, though. Must be a reason for it though and a dedicated fan base.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/03 01:04:25 No.1874548
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Yeah it literally makes no sense to deem a novel a failure when it's barely even begun, people are judging way too quickly.

Patreon models honestly probably aren't the best method for releasing a VN through updates, but it's also semi necessary so people can get paid while working on their projects that will later be released for free anyways.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/03 07:18:55 No.1874639
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>>1874321

That's for Build 1.5. I was referring to Build 2, sorry.

Edited at 2021/01/03 07:19:43
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Furrynomous 2021/01/03 14:54:46 No.1874834
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Does anyone have the link for build 2?
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Furrynomous 2021/01/03 21:50:35 No.1875056
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Damn no one is hoping to get a play through tonight
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Furrynomous 2021/01/04 15:34:13 No.1875407
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I agree it's really soon to doom a vn that is just starting
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Furrynomous 2021/01/04 15:45:05 No.1875420
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>>1875407
I've guess you never heard of blackgate
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Furrynomous 2021/01/04 23:04:56 No.1875594
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Here, guys. I would have posted it the moment it came out, but I didn't have access to my PC over the holidays:

WIN:https://www.mediafire.com/file/yv4ogf9ja0cdsx7/Khemia-2-win.zip/file

MAC:https://www.mediafire.com/file/us5ie8xcpvkgo4m/Khemia-2-mac.zip/file

Linux:https://www.mediafire.com/file/sbszqfheq3p8m07/Khemia-2-linux.tar.bz2/file

Android: https://www.mediafire.com/file/nwkpxse5wm8wvov/Khemia_2_-release.apk/file
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Furrynomous 2021/01/04 23:42:19 No.1875600
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>>1875420
There were many factors that led to blackgate's downfall. Plain incompetence and over ambition are the big ones

It's way too early to set it out to pasture just yet. Unless the echo team makes massive fuck ups. So far the Khemia seems to pick up some steam, brunis is a cutie, and we get a tid bit of the cosmic horror that was hinted in adastra(I would love for more cosmic horror themes to be played it in this too)
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Furrynomous 2021/01/05 03:25:06 No.1875642
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Maybe the reason because people hating on Khemia is because they can't smooch Amicus and wont admit it?

jk its weird that people hating on this game while its still in early stage.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/05 03:56:03 No.1875647
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>>1875642
I love amicus but im glad we get to have insight on neferu and his home planet. I just wish scipio didnt look like "Amicus with a wig and glasses". Also, brunis is a cutie pie.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/05 19:20:04 No.1875966
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>>1875594

Bless you
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Furrynomous 2021/01/05 20:31:37 No.1875995
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My only real issue with it so far is that the new sprites look like ass with no emotion. I liked how Far Beyond the World did its sprites and how they have small subtle reactions/interactions, making it more alive, rather than just having a small set of static images.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/06 19:04:20 No.1876433
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I find it funny how Amicus' "angry" Khemia sprites is way thicker for no reason lmao
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Furrynomous 2021/01/07 20:42:34 No.1876991
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Thank you so much anon and I really appreciate it.

I don't want people to complain on what I said since I was only looking for advice, so what ever I or >1874058 said shouldn't have to change your opinion if generally like Khemia, I'm personally saying that it's a letdown. One of the problems I found with it are the lack of continuity between how Adastra ended and the beginning of Khemia which makes the beginning feel very lackluster as it instead started with duality of Neferu and Scipio which feels forced since there's a lack of context of their relationship since we only get a line explaining they "talked at some point" and are now very close. I know that you could argue the fact that Howly has released small summaries on patreon but not everyone could get it. There also just summaries on Scipio's day then any sort of context on what was actually going on. I honestly don't really have a problem with this as their just going to implement any past events that happened later on to the story, the thing that bothered me was the pacing being to fast which makes everything feel rushed and uneventful. The biggest problem I had was how repetitive and unoriginal story is mainly the scene with Neferu feeling to much like the one we had with Amicus in the beginning of the first game. Like how was Neferu supposed to know what was really wrong with Scipio at the time if he never talked about it, Amicus knew what he did wrong and explained why he did it. Neferu shouldn't feel bad because he ignored him as he didn't know in the first place which makes the scene inconsistent. This also happens throughout the story but this is probably the worst one which makes Neferu feel like Leo with his overprotectiveness to the point of not being benign. I honestly don't really want to talk about the sprites as their not that good and it's already well known at this point and again this is just my opinion.

>>1874208
I know Howly isn't even writing Glory hounds or A Role to Play but I think they meant that he still has to monitor it as the head of Echo Project and it's still a big responsibility as he does have a lot in his hands.

Edited at 2021/01/22 23:58:21
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Furrynomous 2021/01/08 17:32:18 No.1877403
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>>1876991
Agreed.

People need to stop calling it a failure as were only on the second build, but thier is obviously flaws with it this so it's best to wait so things can catch up with a few more updates unless you wish to move on to better things which is understandable.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/14 18:21:59 No.1881106
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Furrynomous 2021/01/14 21:29:17 No.1881202
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I love Khemia so far. I just think the problem it has (that Adastra didnt) is the conflict in the story.

Adastra's conflict was apparent and physically the story: Amicus has to win the competition against Cassius with MC's help, but the competition is rigged in favor of Cassius by Cato, etc etc.

It seems (so far, its early) that the only conflict in Khemia is Scipio's mental problems, which can really be inserted randomly into the story. At least we did find out the cause of it in this build, but this is the same thing I didnt like about the 'Parents' thing in Adastra. It felt like they were inserted at random and turned the story line in a weird direction for the reason "its the will of the parents".

Hopefully once they land on Khemia we'll get that storyline conflict.

Edited at 2021/01/14 21:30:25
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Furrynomous 2021/01/17 15:37:25 No.1882660
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I also think Khemia has been good so far.

I think the reason people supposedly "hate" it is actually because people are simping for Amicus so hard that they're mad the story doesn't focus on him specifically, being instead a story centering on Scipio and Neferu.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/18 14:29:00 No.1883365
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>>1882660
I actually hate Amicus and love Neferu but the characters in Khemia just don't appeal to me at all design-wise, the story doesn't captivate me, and the sprites could use some work to make them look more visually appealing like Adastra

I hope they get things better by the third build, otherwise I'm going to stop checking in on it entirely and just stick to The Smoke Room. Seems like that's where all the effort's going right now.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/18 14:49:50 No.1883372
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>>1881202

I mean we also have the Other being more proactive than ever before.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/18 15:04:41 No.1883375
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Now that I think of it, Adastra started off really boring when on the ship before landing. I think that trip was shorter though.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/18 19:27:00 No.1883485
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i'm fine with this not being about marco/amicus, and i was looking forward to scipio. i like nef the new sprites and brunis. but this still isn't what i wanted.

i initially found scipio likable but less so as this goes on. he's probably going to become worse and this'll just be his corruption arc as the other manipulates him into ruining everything. the stuff with the parents and the other was most of what i didn't like about adastra, so i wanted more space politics and less cosmic horror. i knew one way or another the vision from ending a wasn't going to happen (either the parents being bad at predicting the future or lying), but i don't like that ending b was made canon.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/19 08:24:53 No.1883886
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Is it just me or did they give Amicus a wider birth giving hips in this game? So bottom Amicus was the canon choice in Adastra or... what?
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Furrynomous 2021/01/19 08:50:29 No.1883917
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In haps original version of amicus' new sprites the hips were even worse
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Furrynomous 2021/01/19 10:51:04 No.1883953
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Public release of build 2 is out.
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Furrynomous 2021/01/23 01:06:17 No.1886308
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>Both scenes happen after a traumatic event.
>Interpret that they are in someway pestered of Adastrian society at the fact of their own beliefs and imperfections.
>Blame themselves for the situation they put them through and it's stupid as Neferu didn't know about his mental stability in the first place.

I never noticed this scene being written almost the same which is just uncreative and shameful. Poor Neferu, they really fucked him over in this game.

>>1876991
Yeah no problemo and I'm glad I was able to help.

Edited at 2021/01/23 01:08:54
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Furrynomous 2021/02/01 18:00:07 No.1891825
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>>1886308
Um what are you talking about?
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Furrynomous 2021/02/03 12:46:51 No.1892770
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>>1891825
He's explaining how poorly written and incoherent the garden conversation scene is. Their not wrong the scene did always feel flat and way to similar to the spaceship scene with Amicus. They really fucked this game up especially Neferu
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Furrynomous 2021/02/05 10:37:03 No.1894070
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Come on guys let's not not be hasty. I know it has some problems but I think Khemia still has potential.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/12 05:04:00 No.1897926
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>>1894070
I really dont get the weird hate this is getting when it's only in it's second build. I'm still hyped to see where the story is going.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/12 10:25:38 No.1898014
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>>1897926
It's because Scipio doesn't have a birth-giving hips like Amicus.
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Lwitch 2021/02/12 10:46:01 No.1898019
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Well i can see where a lot of the hate is coming from, i dont particularly hate it but i dropped this vn as soon as i tried out Scipio as the main character... He is... just not good as a lead, a lot of people gave a lot of flack towards the human MC in Adastra for being a simp an as interesting as a doormat but i think he ultimately filled the role of a self-insert and because of that he is probably the reason why people managed to attach so much to Amicus, Neferus and the like. Just add how apparently the bad ending became the cannon one and telling us the uncomfortable bit of information of "our" character suddenly becoming patient zero of a deadly virus spreading on earth...

Yeah, Khemia wont be selling as much as Adastra.

A lot of people (myself included) thought that when the ending came to be and the sequel was announced that we would be see what came to be of the MC and how he manages to reunite with Amicus... Instead we got Scipio, a character that would work much more as a supporting role to the story rather than being the lead, something Virginina. I get that maybe Howly wanted to get away from Marco for a while to change perspective(something that sometimes does a story really good) howerever Scipio is clearly not the man for that job specially if the end goal was for fans to "date" Neferu who is undoubtedly second only to Amicus in popularity to Adastra fans.

Tldr: the main character aswell as story direction change was too jarring, Scipio is just too weak as a lead, disappointed with some cannon decisions, etc. Has lead to many dislike Khemia. I dont plan on picking this Vn up again for a long while at least, TSR and the other upcoming projects are just much more promising and i dont see Khemia ever gathering as much steam as Adastra did.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/13 12:13:10 No.1898489
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This game named Khemia not Adastra 2 smh.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/13 13:54:34 No.1898527
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Honestly, the only reason people hate Khemia is racism. Note how the european, Roman-inspired Adastra is beloved while the African, Egyptian inspired Khemia is despised.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/13 14:27:13 No.1898539
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>>1898527

I mean, I'm still giving it a chance to get into its groove, but I wouldn't say it's racism is the reason people don't like it as much...

People are focusing on the MC, rehashes from Adastra, and the disjointed nature of the plot (so far) as their reasons for not liking it. No one is saying Khemia (the planet, not the game) is bad - we haven't even stepped foot off the ship yet ffs. It's the execution (for them) that's lackluster. So ... racism? A bit of a stretch...

BUT this is coming from a person who is still going to see if it finds its groove, at least. We're still v early.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/13 14:28:47 No.1898542
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>>1898527
Did you know that khem means black in ancient egyptian?
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Furrynomous 2021/02/13 14:40:34 No.1898544
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...well, "km" is the word for black. (Vowels were implied through context, like in Hebrew.)

"km.t", or black land, was their name for ancient Egypt (and the name "Egypt" itself came from ... I wanna say Greek?)

edit: and it referred to the soil of the fertile area around the Nile, not to the skin color of the people living there - just to be clear

Edited at 2021/02/13 14:41:56
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Matthias Augustine Burke 2021/02/13 18:07:52 No.1898796
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>>1898544
Yes, derived from the mythological King Aegyptus who was descended from Zeus’s affair with Io and was in turn an ancestor of the hero Perseus.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/13 19:41:40 No.1898823
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say what you will about marco, but at least he wasn't an elitist who wants poor people to die. i liked scipio initially but he keeps getting worse, and with meera/the other's involvement he's very likely to go full-on corruption arc. i liked adastra more when it was just space politics, the cosmic horror elements with the other came out of nowhere imo, and khemia is continuing with leaning into that.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/13 23:29:37 No.1898896
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>>1898823

Character development is a thing, let's just wait and see if he going to get better or not
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Furrynomous 2021/02/13 23:41:50 No.1898903
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howly stated he is delaying khemia for other works and gave his reasoning why
Important Adastra-related Announcements

TL;DR: Khemia is temporarily on hold. A new VN, Adastra: Cities (working title), will be released later this month.

Most of you have probably noticed the shaky development of Khemia thus far. There are a few reasons for this. Physical health issues and prescription drug-induced mental health issues back in the summer took a bit of a toll on me. Ever since then I've had trouble with Khemia's direction. Initially I thought I simply had a severe form of writer's block, or that what I went through in the summer left me somehow incapable of writing, but while working on Arches, the sequel to Echo, I've found myself able to churn out a solid amount of work whenever I sit down to write. This made me realize that Khemia's issues might have more to do with the project itself. So, I decided that it needs more time in development, and more time for me to decide exactly what it actually is. This might sound odd, but while I thought I knew what Khemia was going to be about, I realized that it's not actually the story I want to tell. I think I also just need a break from agonizing over it month after month.

Because of this, I'm sad to say that Khemia is going into hiatus. I can't say for exactly how long (I'm hoping no longer than the summer), but work is going to continue on assets, and I will continue to develop the story into something that I feel is worth telling. In the meantime, I will also begin releasing updates for Arches next month.

Despite this bad news, or I suppose because of it, I'm able to move forward on a story I have been wanting to tell, and it will keep Adastra-related content part of regular updates. It's a companion VN to Adastra, currently under the working title Adastra: Cities.

Cities will center around the player character's tour of the moon with Amicus, the events of which took place off-screen near the end of Adastra. This is something I've considered doing for a while as I've tended to agree with the audience's concern that Amicus and his human didn't have enough time to really spend together amidst the fast-paced nature of the story. I also feel that there was a lot more to say about the culture and history of Adastra that wasn't explored in the original VN. There will certainly still be an overarching narrative involving some tension and conflict, but I think many of you will enjoy seeing these characters in situations in which there is room to breathe and relax, though not completely (especially with Alex and Cassius along for the ride).

Many of the assets are already complete considering most of the sprites from Adastra will be used, but Haps is excited to work on all the new illustrations and even characters that will be involved. I know that this isn't very much info to go off of, but we're planning to post the official title, assets, and even the first build by the end of this month.

Apologies to everyone who was enjoying Khemia, but I feel this is the right move while the VN is still at the very beginning. I'm hoping I can make it something that's even more enjoyable when builds resume a regular release schedule. I will keep you posted on when exactly that might be.

Thank you for everyone's patience these past several months.

-Howly
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Lwitch 2021/02/13 23:53:05 No.1898909
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>>1898903

Man, gotta love Howly, seriously give that man a prize not only does he stand up for his mistakes but he is also willing to step back and fix stuff in order to tell a better story truly deserving of its fans.

This man is so different from Kael but i wont get into that, but what i'm trying to say is that not many content creators are willing realize that they are doing something wrong and actually fixing them, i just wish more content creators were like him.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/14 02:32:42 No.1898951
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Honestly, all my respect to Howly for being able to admit he's not feeling it and that maybe a concept needs to be redefined, because most other content-creators (especially furries) are so obstinate that they'd never admit to a mistake.

I do hope Khemia comes back in one way or another, I personally was enjoying it.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/14 05:46:39 No.1898992
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We did it, we cancelled Khemia
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Furrynomous 2021/02/14 08:56:14 No.1899024
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>>1898992
ARE YOU GUYS HAPPY NOW!11!??
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Furrynomous 2021/02/14 09:26:23 No.1899035
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Furrynomous 2021/02/14 09:30:45 No.1899036
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>>1898992
>>1899024
I doubt this was solely on the criticism or even the "haters", unless Howly is lying (and I really don't think he is).

Everything he said pretty much says he just couldn't find his foot with the project, that hiatus is a good thing for the project's quality.

I think on the contrary, if Khemia as it is now had turned out to be massively praised, Howly would've had a terrible time trying to justify the hiatus to his audience, and it's doubtful said audience would've reacted well to it (although the long time Echo audience seems to be more understanding and mature).
Either that, or he would've forced himself through despite constantly banging his head against his keyboard trying to write it, and not liking the end results.

Neither of those scenarios would've been good for him, or anyone else. Better bail early than while having your knees deep into it.

Edited at 2021/02/14 11:03:19
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Furrynomous 2021/02/14 11:47:16 No.1899076
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Fuck this, man. The story was in a building process and they hadnt even gotten onto the planet. Thats like cancelling Adastra before they landed on it at the beginning. So now were getting a post-conflict show and tell? We know the beginning and end already.

And Neferu isnt going to be the main character this new VN, already not interested.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/14 12:00:37 No.1899079
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As a Neferu stan, I'm a little disappointed. Still, I'm excited that Howly decided to shift focus to developing the relationship between Amicus and Marco. Now he can take ample time to describe the unexplored world of Adastra and when he's ready, he can return to Khemia. The fast-paced plot of Adastra left a lot to be desired.

Edited at 2021/02/14 12:09:32
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Furrynomous 2021/02/14 17:34:10 No.1899187
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Like really do we really need to know what happened off screen for something thats been over for some time now, and something new was already started. It started just like Adastra. It started slow and lot of people were all MEH i dont like it. Give it time and like Adastra, Khemia could be great.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 11:59:47 No.1903582
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Well this month has been nothing but chaos...
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 12:15:23 No.1903587
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hopefully amicus and scipio come back
u.u
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 13:20:26 No.1903599
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>>1903582
Let's not talk about it here as I don't won't this place to be taken down too. All I can say is fuck Kael, Haps, and Seachord
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 14:06:49 No.1903611
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>>1903599
Not gonna provide any context are ya bud?
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 17:27:31 No.1903686
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>>1903611
For what reason? Most of what they said has been documented on multiple platforms with tons of context so people can know the truth. Even if they were talk about, it would be repetitive as this has been known for sometime.

I'm not surprised numerous are dropping the cult and leaving as it's nothing but toxic behavior. It's really putrid to see that all go down.

Edited at 2021/02/23 17:28:23
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McSkinny 2021/02/23 17:46:25 No.1903688
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>>1903686

What did Seachord do? He's our merchandise guy.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 18:22:27 No.1903694
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>>1903686
sounds like someone is cranky they got banned :<
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 18:49:05 No.1903696
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>>1903688
I honestly have no clue on that as theirs been multiple accusals of him lately on someone d. and I don't really care about any drama anymore. I don't even know why someone would bring Seachord up lol.

>>1903694
Really... Don't assume shit if you don't know anything.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 19:04:07 No.1903700
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what on earth is wrong?
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 20:35:18 No.1903717
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Yeah what is going on the only thing I heard is people were pist because he was advertising one of the games on someones d// and the staff found it wrong but I don't get how that's bad fuckin worms.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/23 20:53:15 No.1903720
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>>1903686
Share with the class, anon.
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Furrynomous 2021/02/28 22:39:12 No.1906130
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WHY DO FURRIES KEEP INSISTING ON GIVING THEIR CHARACTERS HAIRSTYLES???
i can't ever like stylish hairstyles on furries. if you must give them one, try some masculine ones.
one of the reason i can't be attracted to scipio like i was with amicus is because he has a long hair. try imagine amicus with a bobcut like anton chigurh hair.
i was intrigued when haps teased this character only showing his waist. you can see the big buff forearm and already got the image of another masculine brown wolf in your head.
now look at his reveal. looked like some chubby guy in his emo phase.

i'll still read the new story, and i might like this guy as a character. but i won't be having him as another husbando like haps teased on his tweet, calling him "potential new husband".
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Furrynomous 2021/02/28 23:16:02 No.1906164
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>>1906130
Sounds like a personal problem, the hair floof looks nice.
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Furrynomous 2021/03/01 00:14:41 No.1906183
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>>1906130
Not to mention those ladyboobs...
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Furrynomous 2021/03/01 00:49:59 No.1906193
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>>1906130
animal humans my dude, some people like hairstyles on their anthro animals
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Furrynomous 2021/03/01 13:17:50 No.1906410
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>>1906130
I think the bear looks cute
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Furrynomous 2021/03/01 18:55:46 No.1906596
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>>1906130
Ok so now we have three Amicus'. The og Amicus, the letdown nerd Amicus, and now bear Amicus? Thats just lazy Haps...
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Furrynomous 2021/03/11 13:25:44 No.1912069
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there is new info of the new project on patreon, someone generous enough to share something?
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Furrynomous 2021/12/31 18:38:25 No.2061174
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>>1912069
I don't believe there is any update concerning Khemia, the updates were about Interea.

Did you hear anything about Khemia somewhere?
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Furrynomous 2021/12/31 18:38:39 No.2061175
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>>1912069
I don't believe there is any update concerning Khemia, the updates were about Interea.

Did you hear anything about Khemia somewhere?
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Furrynomous 2022/01/02 20:38:23 No.2062089
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>>1912069
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Furrynomous 2024/10/29 16:56:05 No.2413248
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I know the thread is probably dead but is there any development on Khemia?? Last thing I heard was Howly focusing more on Khemia yet its been over a year. Was it cancelled?!
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Furrynomous 2024/10/30 03:44:06 No.2413367
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>>2413248
Considering Haps has literally in the last few days been posting new pics/sprites of amicus and nerferu publicly and all but directly saying they're for the vn, no it is not cancelled, at the very least it's getting some art assets currently with Haps saying to look forward to news I think in one of those posts?

It's all up to Howly I'm guessing tho, the "final update" to Arches was supposed to come out at the beginning of this year if i remember right and didn't come out til very recently, so I'm guessing him/the team's been going through stuff.

But hey, for the time being things seem positive for Khemia at least in terms of Echo Project stuff
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Furrynomous 2024/10/30 14:33:38 No.2413517
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>>2413367
I dunno. The art posted by Haps doesn't make me optimistic.

Also, what happened to all the VN threads on this board? They all died seemingly overnight.
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Furrynomous 2024/10/30 23:10:07 No.2413721
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>>2413517
I'm someone that enjoys both of Haps styles, in the past and the evolution he's had, just a case of two cakes for me lol.

But I get it not being people's cup of tea, it is undoubtedly very different (But man he can draw asses so much better now Interea was so good for that.)
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Furrynomous 2024/10/31 13:21:57 No.2413880
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>so I'm guessing him/the team's been going through stuff.

Just based on the drama that happened with K A E L and now Georgesquares, it's unnecessary, and Echo Project has to deal with.

I'm not going into details with the recent stuff as it's been documented, but if anyone is interested.

https://chellaytiger.substack.com/p/george-squares-drama-explained-the-548
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Furrynomous 2024/10/31 15:51:43 No.2413921
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>>2413880

Wow it's... absolutely nothing. George posts the most banal of opinions and another dev gets butthurt over it, then some bitter ex makes petty drama without any evidence. Amazing.
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Furrynomous 2024/11/01 01:26:36 No.2414009
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>>2413921
he was being biphobic my guy idk what's banal about that.
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Furrynomous 2024/11/01 13:07:44 No.2414150
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>>2413367
Oh hey that's great to hear! I assume they haven't proposed a release date as I imagine the team are just picking up the pieces as well as Haps working on a another Vn called Nothern Lights? I'm not entirely sure.
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Furrynomous 2024/11/04 17:30:34 No.2415449
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On Haps NSFW account

>We're getting ready.... @EchoTheVN

Seems like their picking up the pace this time around. They even posted some new artwork on their patreon. Makes me wonder to what extent the story is being altered as I remember Howly expressing his issues with its direction. Best case scenario of a release date is probably late Nov or December. Best of luck to Howly and the team.
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Furrynomous 2024/11/06 19:07:02 No.2415823
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Wait a damn minute.. Call me stupid but it looks like Neferu is holding Scipio's feet up? Spicy choice but I'd imagine Neferu bottoming. we'll see how it plays out.

>>2415449
If there's on thing I can think of them changing its probably Scipio. While I didn't mind his character as much I guess he got a mixed reactions along with other things. Wonder if some of the criticism made back then still holds up as it was really early in development at the time.

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